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#31601 Niky

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Posted 03 July 2024 - 02:26 PM

Hello everyone! :love: :love: :love:
Guys, is everyone well? Sorry for my long silence: I had lost my password for the forum. I finally managed to find it! :sweatdrop:

We are ten years after the end of Naruto. What do you think, having reached this point?

I've been pondering lately…

When the story ended I wondered about the reason for such a decision.... Surely, while they wanted to continue the series with a new generation, it could have been carried on EQUALLY with Naruto and Sasuke's children. There would have been no need to necessarily pair them with Hinata and Sakura (respectively). Then... why?
I thought about it and this is my assumption.

Those who wanted the ending thought it for HINATA. I don't know if it was out of zealotry toward the character or toward the voice actress, but anyway so I believe.

Why I think this I will calmly explain in more posts. In the meantime, tell me what you think.
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Posted 03 July 2024 - 10:55 PM

Hello everyone! :love: :love: :love:
Guys, is everyone well? Sorry for my long silence: I had lost my password for the forum. I finally managed to find it! :sweatdrop:

We are ten years after the end of Naruto. What do you think, having reached this point?

I've been pondering lately…

When the story ended I wondered about the reason for such a decision.... Surely, while they wanted to continue the series with a new generation, it could have been carried on EQUALLY with Naruto and Sasuke's children. There would have been no need to necessarily pair them with Hinata and Sakura (respectively). Then... why?
I thought about it and this is my assumption.

Those who wanted the ending thought it for HINATA. I don't know if it was out of zealotry toward the character or toward the voice actress, but anyway so I believe.

Why I think this I will calmly explain in more posts. In the meantime, tell me what you think.
I have always loved the debates in our forum! :yes:

They wanted a sequel, they wanted the huge international fanbase that Naruto was famed for, and they were told Hinata was the desired love interest for Naruto by a majority of the fan base; of course push along by her fanatics in the anime staff. SS happening was to put away the spare and make a love interest for the sequel's main character. On paper, there should have been no problem.

 

However. The fanbase that supported Hinata being the love interest was overblown. They destroyed the original story to make it happen. Their new main character is unlikable. They added problems to the ending pairings when their supporters desired them to be perfect and flawless fantasy relationships. Also the person they put in charge of the sequel made a poorly drawn, drawn out, and uninteresting story that disinterested most people.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 04 July 2024 - 12:45 PM.


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Posted 04 July 2024 - 12:14 AM

They wanted a sequel, they wanted the huge international fanbase that Naruto was famed for, and they were told Hinata was the desired love interest for Naruto by a majority of the fan base; of course push along by her fanatics in the anime staff. SS happening was to put away the spare and make a love interest for the sequel's main character. On paper, there should have been no problem.

 

However. The fanbase that supported Hinata being the love interest was overblown. They destroyed the original story to make it happen. They new main character is unlikable. They added problems to the ending pairings when their supporters desired them to be perfect and flawless fantasy relationships. Also they person they put in charge of the sequel made a poorly drawn, drawn out, and uninteresting story that disinterested most people.

studio pierrot didn't help. there was even an omake about how they loved hinata and also notes by the studio for an episode with neji where they claim neji was a pervert who was stealing hinata from naruto. not to mention a whole movie about nh written by a writer who probably knew nothing about naruto since she normally wrote live action romance stories



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Posted 04 July 2024 - 12:14 AM

anyone planning on coming to otakon in august? flow is going to perform 



#31605 Niky

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Posted 04 July 2024 - 04:15 PM

They wanted a sequel, they wanted the huge international fanbase that Naruto was famed for, and they were told Hinata was the desired love interest for Naruto by a majority of the fan base; of course push along by her fanatics in the anime staff. SS happening was to put away the spare and make a love interest for the sequel's main character. On paper, there should have been no problem.

 

However. The fanbase that supported Hinata being the love interest was overblown. They destroyed the original story to make it happen. Their new main character is unlikable. They added problems to the ending pairings when their supporters desired them to be perfect and flawless fantasy relationships. Also the person they put in charge of the sequel made a poorly drawn, drawn out, and uninteresting story that disinterested most people.

Hello, Bail!

it is always a pleasure to read your posts!

 

Absolutely. they wanted their cake and eat it. I agree.

it's just that I didn't know what the initial idea was.
The fact that the first step was taken out of a feeling of doormatism (really childish, come to think of it) came to me while reading a blog in which I participate, where written testimonies of ways of working within anime production are reported. I was very struck, while reading these excerpts, by the testimony of an animator.

He reported that, in an anime production, the decision of one fairly powerful person can decide the fate of an entire work.

 

Therefore, thinking about how then hime-sama-kun-dono-san-chan is defended, hailed, and justified in the various versions of Naruto-Boruto, I really began to think that it was the excessive devotion to that character the main reason for the decision that started it all. But then, of course, one also had to try to drag along as many readers as possible....

There, that was the sore point. How can you raise a new and large generation of readers when you treat your readers as morons as these producers did.

I must admit, however, that with some of the fandom they did it. I'm talking about the ones I see justifying this stylistic and narrative horror at every turn.
And then I wonder if they are not really trying to build up an audience that is completely devoid of critical sense, or if they simply despise the audience they are addressing.

 

studio pierrot didn't help. there was even an omake about how they loved hinata and also notes by the studio for an episode with neji where they claim neji was a pervert who was stealing hinata from naruto. not to mention a whole movie about nh written by a writer who probably knew nothing about naruto since she normally wrote live action romance stories

Hello!

Yeah, Studio Pierrot didn't help at all.

 

 

 


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Posted 05 July 2024 - 01:05 AM

Hello, Bail!

it is always a pleasure to read your posts!

 

Absolutely. they wanted their cake and eat it. I agree.

it's just that I didn't know what the initial idea was.
The fact that the first step was taken out of a feeling of doormatism (really childish, come to think of it) came to me while reading a blog in which I participate, where written testimonies of ways of working within anime production are reported. I was very struck, while reading these excerpts, by the testimony of an animator.

He reported that, in an anime production, the decision of one fairly powerful person can decide the fate of an entire work.

 

Therefore, thinking about how then hime-sama-kun-dono-san-chan is defended, hailed, and justified in the various versions of Naruto-Boruto, I really began to think that it was the excessive devotion to that character the main reason for the decision that started it all. But then, of course, one also had to try to drag along as many readers as possible....

There, that was the sore point. How can you raise a new and large generation of readers when you treat your readers as morons as these producers did.

I must admit, however, that with some of the fandom they did it. I'm talking about the ones I see justifying this stylistic and narrative horror at every turn.
And then I wonder if they are not really trying to build up an audience that is completely devoid of critical sense, or if they simply despise the audience they are addressing.

The anime staff lusted after Nana Mizuki and the idealized woman they created in Hinata Hyuga.

 

Hinata was just originally a minor character that Kishimoto cared so little about he didn't even given her much of a story. First, to the character beaten up by Naruto's opponent to make the reader more invested in the tournament fight, and then, to marry that person to show how far they had come due to Naruto's influence. His lack of care meant he didn't interfere when he should have; when they started adding traits and scenes to make her "Naruto's perfect woman" at least according to the anime. However, no matter how important they tried to make her in the anime she would always be unimportant because she isn't tied in anyway to the main story. When they tried to do that at the end and then tried to make the entire story about her with The Last it helped to destroy the franchise

 

Nana Mizuki was a young beautiful twenty year old woman that was just starting out when she got the role as Hinata. And it is very clear the anime staff lusted after her. So, they did anything they could to make sure that she had to keep coming to their offices as often as possible, so they could look at her. Which means Hinata constantly appearing in filler. Stephanie Sheh has said she was annoyed by her role as Hinata as she would constantly have to come in to do a recording and be informed she was only going to say one line, "Naruto," over and over. As for Nana Mizuki thought on this, I don't know, but I will point out once she got herself established the roles she picks seem to be the opposite of Hinata as possible or at least an interesting take on the archetype at the minimum; especially after 2014 when her characters cause both Toriko and Naruto to go under.

 

Japanese Otaku are the same in and out of the anime staff so they liked Nana/Hinata, and hated Neji as he was her intended love interest.

 

American fans and western fans tend to be spilt by gender. Males like her because the perfect woman and the ultimate victory over girls like Sakura that friend-zoned them. Females like her because they self-inserted and saw themselves as the perfect victimized princess and Sakura was wrongfully stealing the man that belong to her.

 

In the end it was more they wanted their fantasies to come true and convince people to see how they did; than wanting to trick their audience.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 09 July 2024 - 12:49 AM.


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Posted 06 July 2024 - 12:04 PM

The anime staff lusted after Nana Mizuki and the idealized woman they created in Hinata Hyuga.

 

Hinata was just originally a minor character that Kishimoto cared so little about he didn't even given her much of a story. First, to the character beaten up by Naruto's opponent to make the reader more invested in the tournament fight, and then, to marry that person to show how far they had come due to Naruto's influence. His lack of care meant he didn't interfere when he should have; when they started adding traits and scenes to make her "Naruto's perfect woman" at least according to the anime. However, no matter how important they tried to make her in the anime she would always be unimportant because she isn't tied in anyway to the main story. When they tried to do that at the end and then tried to make the entire story about her with The Last it helped to destroy the franchise

 

Nana Mizuki was a young beautiful twenty year old woman that was just starting out when she got the role as Hinata. And it is very clear the anime staff lusted after her. So, they did anything they could to make sure that she had to keep coming to their offices as often as possible, so they could look at her. Which means Hinata constantly appearing in filler. Stephanie Sheh has said she was annoyed by her role as Hinata as she would constantly have to come in to do a recording and be informed she was only going to say one line, "Naruto," over and over. As for Nana Mizuki thought on this, I don't know, but I will point out once she got herself established the roles she picks seem to be the opposite of Hinata as possible or at least an interesting take on the archetype at the minimum; especially after 2014 when her characters cause both Toriko and Naruto to go under.

 

Japanese Otaku are the same in and out of the anime staff so they liked Nana/Hinata, and hated Neji as he was her intended love interest.

 

American fans and western fans tend to be spilt on gender. Males like her because the perfect woman and the ultimate victory over girls like Sakura that friend-zoned them. Females like her because they felt inserted and saw themselves as the perfect victimized princess and Sakura was wrongfully stealing the man that belong to her.

 

In the end it was more they wanted their fantasies to come true and convince people to see how they did; than wanting to trick their audience.

 

Ouch, this is definitely disturbing! :wot:

 

If so, Mizuki makes me feel a bit sorry for her because, although she may have felt flattered by such attention at the beginning, in the long run this (with its consequences...I remember the reactions of Japanese fans to Toriko's case) can become unbearable.

 

An idealized woman... Indeed. :mellow:

 

What has always bothered me a great deal is how so-called hime-sama-dono-san-kun-chan fans have always preferred to (intentionally?) charge the character with characteristics that she openly does not possess.

They want to portray her as kind, selfless, sweet, compassionate, empathetic, modest, courageous... But in reality she is indeed shy and polite (and has nice big breasts) but also cowardly, uninteresting, vain, self-centered, and without any special talent.

 

Her love for Naruto is not great but obsessive. And it became so obsessive precisely because it was a means of making sense of her life on the one hand and of escaping unwanted responsibilities on the other. This poor girl does not love and has no interest in anything but Naruto. She would sacrifice everything and everyone for him (including her children). :sad:

 

In my opinion, the slap given to Kawaki in Boruto is also to be read in this light too. As a reaction of jealousy toward a boy who is as obsessed with Naruto as she is rather than concern for her son. :sweatdrop:

We should also add that Boruto authors had to get her to do something at that time given the attention Sakura was getting with the Sasusaku spin-off (which Pierrot undertook to make with as little effort and resources as possible).

 

Here, the problem with Hinata's character is that she only becomes interesting when she becomes something she is not or gets something she does not have by stealing it from others (or, better yet, when her simps gives her something after snatching it from others and then insults and denigrates them).

 

Shall we then talk about how the character is exalted and called more beloved because instead of one child she has had two (not even if she had had six!)?!?

Ah, I don't bring sexism into this any more... Given due distinctions, I have seen similar talk among female audiences in other contexts. I just see it as a childish, shallow and petty attitude… A victimhood even aggressive and vindictive.

 

Similar stances and sentiments at the base of a story… What kind of audience can they attract (other than one with no critical sense)? And worst of all is that the responsibles for this debacle do not care, preferring to denigrate and mock those who point it out to them the problems with the story concept by exacerbating fandom mood. -_-

 

About Neji and the pettiness displayed by certain staff characters we could open a separate chapter... However, right now, perhaps death has saved our boy... Think about how they would have involved him in this horror. :roll:

 

Oh, and before I forget...

After this, maybe we'll talk about how for some people Ikemoto would be a Narusaku fan in disguise :omfg: ...

One thing at a time. :wink:


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Posted 06 July 2024 - 05:19 PM

Yeah I doubt ikemototo is a narusaku fan

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Posted 19 July 2024 - 05:14 AM

Oh there is going to be a crossover comic with TMNT and Naruto.

 

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Posted 19 July 2024 - 08:55 AM

Makes sense, though I hope no boruto characters

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Posted 19 July 2024 - 09:16 PM

Makes sense, though I hope no boruto characters

 

I don't think any Boruto stuff will be present because Naruto is showing in the Part 1 era on the cover.


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Posted 21 July 2024 - 07:55 AM

Ah so when all of team 7 is together then

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Posted 22 July 2024 - 01:27 AM

Boruto doesn't have the right to be in the same room as the Ninja Turtles.


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Posted 22 July 2024 - 05:15 PM

This isn't an official project, is it? It looks to me like a fan project...


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Posted 22 July 2024 - 07:53 PM

This isn't an official project, is it? It looks to me like a fan project...

 

Nope, it is official. IDW is promoting it.


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Posted 22 July 2024 - 08:29 PM

 

Nope, it is official. IDW is promoting it.

Ah, ok. Thank you.


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Posted 23 July 2024 - 11:50 PM

https://www.ign.com/...r-comic-idw-viz

 

It's Part 1 Naruto and crew with IDW version of TMNT, along with April, Splinter, Shredder and the Foot Clan. This crossover looks VERY interesting.


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Posted 24 July 2024 - 12:06 AM

https://www.ign.com/...r-comic-idw-viz

 

It's Part 1 Naruto and crew with IDW version of TMNT, along with April, Splinter, Shredder and the Foot Clan. This crossover looks VERY interesting.

I still don't care.


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Posted 24 July 2024 - 12:21 AM

I dont care either cause theyll just make Sakura look bad so not going to even bother with it.

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Posted 24 July 2024 - 03:47 PM

I dont care either cause theyll just make Sakura look bad so not going to even bother with it.

Yeah, I do have a bad feeling they are going to screw Sakura over in this so even I'm not going to watch or read it.







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