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[ciardha]

Now that I mention it, Lee's "love" for Sakura is very similar to hinata's feeling towards Naruto and we know that's not going anywhere, at least I hope not...btw does Sakura refer to Naruto as "Kun" in the manga/Japanese anime.

Nope, "kun" when used by a girl to a boy ( unlike "chan" boy to girl) is a distancing suffix/honorific. Kun, in that context is the girl saying "I worship you from afar" "I am beneath your status".

When a boy and girl are actually involved she will often just say his first name, dropping any suffixes- that implies the same initimacy that a boy using "chan" to girl is supposed to. That's why Sakura was annoyed at Naruto adding "chan" at first. When a boy and girl are romantically involved it's not unusual for her to use a shortened version of his first name (unless it's already short) +chan (this happens often in real life- I even witnessed it- back when I was in college a couple of my friends that were Japanese exchange students had boyfriends that were at the university too. Both called their boyfriends by a shortened version of their first name +chan. One was dating a guy that was a Japanese exchange student, one was dating an American guy (they ended up getting married and she stayed here.) If you've read shoujo manga you can also find examples there- like in Sailor Moon, Usagi calls Mamoru- Mamo-chan, and he of course calls her Usagi-chan or Usa-chan. Close female friends will also use "chan" with each other as a mark of their close friendship (even adult women)- Note how Kishimoto has Sakura do that with Ino in the current chapter's flashback, but note Ino doesn't use it on Sakura's name- showing the power structure in their friendship. Ino is the leader, Sakura still the follower.

In early part 1 Sakura leaves off any suffixes when talking to Naruto because she finds him irritating and rude, but as their friendship (and her subconscious feelings of love are growing for him) grows it becomes a mark of their closeness. Naruto's informality wears off on Sakura and in part 2 she addresses many their age peers, like he does, with no honorifics/suffixes. Lee is an exception. Naruto uses no honorifics with him, in fact using that kind of mildly insulting nickname to Lee. Sakura uses the generic formal honorific, "san" to Lee. Lee also uses "san" to Sakura (it implies a respectful distance but equal or near equal social status). Lee, however uses "kun" for Naruto. When an older male uses "kun" to a younger male in that case it's a way of exerting their status as older- if they are both adult males it's a mildly insulting way of saying the person being called "kun" is childish. "Chan" can be used against a woman the same way when said by a male to a female.

Edited by ciardha, 14 May 2011 - 04:38 AM.

[Phantom_999]

Nope, "kun" when used by a girl to a boy ( unlike "chan" boy to girl) is a distancing suffix/honorific. Kun, in that context is the girl saying "I worship you from afar" "I am beneath your status".

When a boy and girl are actually involved she will often just say his first name, dropping any suffixes- that implies the same initimacy that a boy using "chan" to girl is supposed to. That's why Sakura was annoyed at Naruto adding "chan" at first. When a boy and girl are romantically involved it's not unusual for her to use a shortened version of his first name (unless it's already short) +chan (this happens often in real life- I even witnessed it- back when I was in college a couple of my friends that were Japanese exchange students had boyfriends that were at the university too. Both called their boyfriends by a shortened version of their first name +chan. One was dating a guy that was a Japanese exchange student, one was dating an American guy (they ended up getting married and she stayed here.) If you've read shoujo manga you can also find examples there- like in Sailor Moon, Usagi calls Mamoru- Mamo-chan, and he of course calls her Usagi-chan or Usa-chan. Close female friends will also use "chan" with each other as a mark of their close friendship (even adult women)- Note how Kishimoto has Sakura do that with Ino in the current chapter's flashback, but note Ino doesn't use it on Sakura's name- showing the power structure in their friendship. Ino is the leader, Sakura still the follower.

In early part 1 Sakura leaves off any suffixes when talking to Naruto because she finds him irritating and rude, but as their friendship (and her subconscious feelings of love are growing for him) grows it becomes a mark of their closeness. Naruto's informality wears off on Sakura and in part 2 she addresses many their age peers, like he does, with no honorifics/suffixes. Lee is an exception. Naruto uses no honorifics with him, in fact using that kind of mildly insulting nickname to Lee. Sakura uses the generic formal honorific, "san" to Lee. Lee also uses "san" to Sakura (it implies a respectful distance but equal or near equal social status). Lee, however uses "kun" for Naruto. When an older male uses "kun" to a younger male in that case it's a way of exerting their status as older- if they are both adult males it's a mildly insulting way of saying the person being called "kun" is childish. "Chan" can be used against a woman the same way when said by a male to a female.

Actually kun could be used for girls too its used by a male much older than them, just saying. I've heard some examples like Tsukino-kun or Sakura-kun (from something else) anyone watch the lost tower? Naruto has once again inspired and possibly attracted another cute movie only heroine this time its Sara, a queen. But Sakura will always be the only one for him

Edited by Phantom_999, 14 May 2011 - 05:45 AM.

[ShippudenGirl]

I get "chan" at the end of my name sometimes XD my friend takes a Japanese class and complains everytime I say it wrong, lol

[bthug]

Actually kun could be used for girls too its used by a male much older than them, just saying. I've heard some examples like Tsukino-kun or Sakura-kun (from something else) anyone watch the lost tower? Naruto has once again inspired and possibly attracted another cute movie only heroine this time its Sara, a queen. But Sakura will always be the only one for him

I love how Naruto get's the chicks in the movies, like the one with the princess, she totally wanted on, only if Naruto was older or if she was younger and now the girl that can see the future...Dudes the man.

[TAMU Express]

I've always wondered why Kishimoto never created a second active female character, unlike Hinata, to build a relationship with Naruto to spice up the pairing madness. Maybe it would be too much like a soap opera with all the romance drama.

[ciardha]

Actually kun could be used for girls too its used by a male much older than them, just saying. I've heard some examples like Tsukino-kun or Sakura-kun (from something else)

It can be, and it's a pretty modern change (only somewhat common since about the last 15 or so years- likely because of the stronger sexual harassment laws enacted in the mid 1990's.) Because I was used to the Japanese language of the later 1980's- early 1990's (when I was in college, taking Japanese as my foreign language and interacting with Japanese exchange students at that time) I always have a moment of huh? reaction when I'm watching an anime set in a school or business and the younger female characters get the "kun" honorific, rather than chan or san. (san is gender neutral but it's considered a bit too formal for for everyday conversations like that and chan can be problematic...) I tend to forget that usage of kun because mentally I'm not accustom to it. I notice Kishimoto doesn't use it that way in Naruto, but he's only 8 years younger than me, so maybe it doesn't seem natural to him either...

[Outou]

Ah, of course Hinata fans are going to bash Sakura, it's no use reasoning with them. Sakura is stronger then most secondary characters. I believe she get's bashed a lot because she is the main character along with Naruto and Sasuke but they are a LOT stornger than she is(and more show offish).

The main reason of a character bashing lies within pairing wars: people who bash Sakura are mostly NaruHina fans. They bash Sakura, because she is the girl Naruto loves (the hatred will continue to grow even bigger now that we know that NaruSaku is no more one-sided). Same goes for other characters bashing.

Edited by Outou, 14 May 2011 - 11:46 AM.

[Phantom_999]

The main reason of a character bashing lies within pairing wars: people who bash Sakura are mostly NaruHina fans. They bash Sakura, because she is the girl Naruto loves (the hatred will continue to grow even bigger now that we know that NaruSaku is no more one-sided). Same goes for other characters bashing.

Not just that Its also because she's a tsundere, most western DON'T understand the concept and also She's no longer a tsundere its only like that in the manga The always make tsunderes seem worse in their anime counterparts Eg. Kagome and Sango from Inuyasha for one and some others I can't name I don't that much anime

[bthug]

Personally I like tsundere characters it really tickles my fancy. Oh and if they added another female to spice things up that would just make me worried,sad, and angry just cause I would doubt Narusaku, but I wouldn't mind seeing Sakura be jealous of whoever this other girl would be.

[Fliss]

I think Sakura not being some all powerful ninja like Naruto and Sasuke is actually better than her being just as strong. It makes her seem more realistic and it makes her being able to overcome strong opponents (like Sasori) mean a little more. Not that she isn't tough already, but I like her abilities the way they are and I think that she has gradually gotten better at a more realistic pace than Naruto and Sasuke and she will continue to improve.

[ciardha]

I've always wondered why Kishimoto never created a second active female character, unlike Hinata, to build a relationship with Naruto to spice up the pairing madness. Maybe it would be too much like a soap opera with all the romance drama.

Thankfully, Kishimoto appears to have a negative opinion of that kind of storyline- look how he portrays it as childish and foolish with 12 year Sakura and Ino. I frankly find that kind of storyline way overdone and it just makes the female characters look bad. Kishimoto wants people to like his female characters as much as they like the male characters. It's refreshing to see how he had Sakura and Ino grow out of that, and refreshing and unusual to see in a shonen manga female friendships written as seriously as male friendships and not turned into a sleazy yuri fan service (something that happens in waaay to many shonen manga and anime.) I can recognize all the different female friendships in Naruto as fairly realistic ones.

[catsi563]

Honestly for me I wouldnt mind if he did do that. A healthy rivalry instead of the unhealthy one over sasuke.

Someone like Ino who comes to honestly care for Naruto but sees clearly shes no match for the place Sakura holds in his heart, that doesnt mean she plans to take it easy on Sakura or let her win by any stretch of the imagination.

Done correctly such a plot device can be a way for the main character and his main love interest to grow as characters. And makes for some fun and interesting interactions.

[Phantom_999]

Thankfully, Kishimoto appears to have a negative opinion of that kind of storyline- look how he portrays it as childish and foolish with 12 year Sakura and Ino. I frankly find that kind of storyline way overdone and it just makes the female characters look bad. Kishimoto wants people to like his female characters as much as they like the male characters. It's refreshing to see how he had Sakura and Ino grow out of that, and refreshing and unusual to see in a shonen manga female friendships written as seriously as male friendships and not turned into a sleazy yuri fan service (something that happens in waaay to many shonen manga and anime.) I can recognize all the different female friendships in Naruto as fairly realistic ones.

I know right? It makes a bad stereo type for women too if he kept them like that and if two women or girls are good friends they have to be lesbians? seriously not cool! same thing all this NaruSasu thing Just cause Naruto is overly determined to save Sasuke. Yeah I admit it IS somewhat annoying as he is just asking for a world of suffering but are those people saying that they would not go that far for their family of Best friend?

Honestly for me I wouldnt mind if he did do that. A healthy rivalry instead of the unhealthy one over sasuke.

Someone like Ino who comes to honestly care for Naruto but sees clearly shes no match for the place Sakura holds in his heart, that doesnt mean she plans to take it easy on Sakura or let her win by any stretch of the imagination.

Done correctly such a plot device can be a way for the main character and his main love interest to grow as characters. And makes for some fun and interesting interactions.

Agreed. but since when Ino exactly show care or interest for Naruto? just wondering,not saying you're wrong I just remember only friendly gesture

Edited by Phantom_999, 14 May 2011 - 10:05 PM.

[bthug]

I wish someone would make a YouTube video of all the Narusaku moments, sorry that was random, but don't you agree.

[Phantom_999]

Don't they already have?

[Gravenimage]

Don't they already have?

Yes there are some but to me the best one is from Slextrem Naru/Saku "The build up" version 2 it covers all of the NS moments from the manga from ch 3 to 459. Slextrem should update the video putting the confession from 469, the part when Naruto saves Sakura from Sasuke in 483 and when she tells him that Tsunade has woken up in 489.

[bthug]

Is their really? All I find are pictures with dumb songs over them or clips from the episodes with yet again dumb music over them...I just want to see all of the moments in their truest forms whether it be anime or manga.

Also I just finished watching Chrono Crusade and I like the romance in that anime along with the story and action. That's kind of what I meant when I said that I wouldn't mind if Naruto was more romantic. Although I hate the ending I hope nothing like that happens to Narusaku.

[Phantom_999]

Is their really? All I find are pictures with dumb songs over them or clips from the episodes with yet again dumb music over them...I just want to see all of the moments in their truest forms whether it be anime or manga.

Also I just finished watching Chrono Crusade and I like the romance in that anime along with the story and action. That's kind of what I meant when I said that I wouldn't mind if Naruto was more romantic. Although I hate the ending I hope nothing like that happens to Narusaku.

But isn't that what a video is? well okay whatever yeah It would be nice if Naruto was more romantic but Kishimoto admitted romance wasn't his specialty however they DO need more romance scenes though

[catsi563]

Agreed. but since when Ino exactly show care or interest for Naruto? just wondering,not saying you're wrong I just remember only friendly gesture

Not Ino specifically I just used her as an example of how the trope could be worked. though ironically enough Ino is the one person id use if I were to push such a story angle given her connection to Sakura.

[ciardha]

Not Ino specifically I just used her as an example of how the trope could be worked. though ironically enough Ino is the one person id use if I were to push such a story angle given her connection to Sakura.

No, narusaku never needed it, that was not those characters path. Remember the triangle element was an obstacle rather than an aide with narusaku. Sakura's crush on Sasuke greatly delayed her conscious awareness of her feelings for Naruto, and we saw how it caused great psychological pain for both Naruto and Sakura.

It would have looked like a way annoying repeat of Ino and Sakura's squabbling over Sasuke and would have made them look like they hadn't matured at all. I hate how the stupid "reality shows" have made this the go to storyline of everyone and their dog. It's been done and doesn't need to be done again for Sakura

But if any female character needs it, it's Ino to spur her to actually take the next step with Chouji. Poor Chouji is still at the same place Naruto was in later part 1 with Sakura. Ino and Chouji are stuck at that status quo. If a girl who witnessed Chouji's heroics in the war started being openly admiring of him that might spur Ino to realize her caring feelings for Chouji is love. Especially if she also sees Naruto and Sakura being openly romantic with each other and remembers Asuma's words about not falling behind Sakura when it came to relationships. (The last is really the only truly constructive way the friend/rival storyline could be used- it avoids the overdone harem or yuri pitfalls in shonen manga)

Edited by ciardha, 15 May 2011 - 02:42 AM.