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Posted 14 August 2015 - 03:15 PM

Was a Bolt series even necessary? Let me ask, did we really needed to know what their children were doing?

From everything I have read, even the pro-enders don't care about their kids at all. No one gives a crap about Salad or Bolt and even their own movie is more focused on Naruto and Sasuke than it was on Bolt the movie. THE SUPPOSED MAIN CHARACTER. Bolt didn't do well because he is likable or because Salad was amazing or because the children were cool. Not really. Yeah you see comments here and there about how cool the kids are, but then that's not really what made the story money.

Truth is, the more this story keeps going, the worse it is making it simply because of the ideas that Naruto tried to do in the original story. You can't say Naruto achieved world peace only to have more people come along and start some stuff just to create conflict. This is why the villains motives are so....shallow. And I mean shallow as in there is no real depth to it. How about a villain that was angry because they were into war profiteer and since Naruto changed all that they are broke. So they become angry and start stuff just to reboot their business. Enough of this "take over the world crap." How about villains that just want to see the world burn?

So far all major villain is basically "we're the descendants of Kaguya and we hate you all." Hell, the villain in Gaiden has NO REAL motive what so ever. What kind of writing is that? How many descendants are there that just hate the world as we know it? Maybe, they hate SS and NH too and are trying to destroy it.

Many criticize Obito's reasoning for what he did, but the way things are looking, his motives are far better than Toneri's and the the Olsen Twin rejects motives are.

I guess what I am saying is, is that this was all pointless and it should have been left up to the imagination. How many stories actually went into the next generation and their kids and were successful at it? Not very many. I can't even name one. DBZ maybe, but they still follow Goku despite even Gohan having kids now.

Whenever a series has main characters that have kids, they never really dive into kids at all or they end it at the point when they have kids. Fruits Basket didn't talk about Tohru's offspring. Love Hina didn't go into Narusegawa's and Keitaro's kids. Rurouni Kenshin went into Kenshin's kid, but unlike Bolt he respected and loved his father and actually learned his techniques and continued his father's work. What else?

I jsut can't think of a series that talked about the heroes kids AND put them in situations that gave them interesting stories. They kind of just ended the story as they had kids. Even Harry Potter. We aren't following their own kids adventures at Hogwarts because there is really nothing to tell and there is no villain after them.

 

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Posted 14 August 2015 - 03:47 PM

I forget, but wasn't it also due to fan rage or something that made Toriyama's editors have him shift focus back to Goku?



 

 

I don't know about fan rage, but Toriyama had editorial pressure to bring Goku back to MC status again


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Posted 14 August 2015 - 04:00 PM

When you think about it, maybe it did happen in the movie. I mean the last part feels rather out of place.

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Posted 14 August 2015 - 04:33 PM

 
Can you provide any more intel as to what the general opinions are regarding the film?

umm late response but I don't really check, some are mad, others are not I guess but nothing more in there except SNS merchandise

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Posted 14 August 2015 - 07:00 PM

There was no way this movie was going to get more negative opinions than The Last. While that movie was a huge retcon, this is more or less a father-son story. And an action film which isnt to risky

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Posted 14 August 2015 - 07:16 PM

There was no way this movie was going to get more negative opinions than The Last. While that movie was a huge retcon, this is more or less a father-son story. And an action film which isnt to risky

Agreed. The only way to do it is to kill Naruto and Sasuke before they confess each other.

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Posted 14 August 2015 - 07:47 PM

The Last basically killed Naruto and Sasuke's bond by forcing Sasuke to leave Konoha, so Naruto could focus his attention on Hinata, and be forced to fall in love with her. You know if Sasuke was allowed to remain in Konoha, Naruto wouldn't give a kitten about Hinata, and spend all his time with Team Seven, but no, they needed a next generation and that stupid love story had to happen.


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Posted 14 August 2015 - 08:58 PM

I've been brwosing tumblr, and honestly the reason this movie is being taken as okay is because it has lots of SNS in it


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Posted 14 August 2015 - 10:19 PM

Was a Bolt series even necessary? Let me ask, did we really needed to know what their children were doing?

From everything I have read, even the pro-enders don't care about their kids at all. No one gives a crap about Salad or Bolt and even their own movie is more focused on Naruto and Sasuke than it was on Bolt the movie. THE SUPPOSED MAIN CHARACTER. Bolt didn't do well because he is likable or because Salad was amazing or because the children were cool. Not really. Yeah you see comments here and there about how cool the kids are, but then that's not really what made the story money.

Truth is, the more this story keeps going, the worse it is making it simply because of the ideas that Naruto tried to do in the original story. You can't say Naruto achieved world peace only to have more people come along and start some stuff just to create conflict. This is why the villains motives are so....shallow. And I mean shallow as in there is no real depth to it. How about a villain that was angry because they were into war profiteer and since Naruto changed all that they are broke. So they become angry and start stuff just to reboot their business. Enough of this "take over the world crap." How about villains that just want to see the world burn?

So far all major villain is basically "we're the descendants of Kaguya and we hate you all." Hell, the villain in Gaiden has NO REAL motive what so ever. What kind of writing is that? How many descendants are there that just hate the world as we know it? Maybe, they hate SS and NH too and are trying to destroy it.

Many criticize Obito's reasoning for what he did, but the way things are looking, his motives are far better than Toneri's and the the Olsen Twin rejects motives are.

I guess what I am saying is, is that this was all pointless and it should have been left up to the imagination. How many stories actually went into the next generation and their kids and were successful at it? Not very many. I can't even name one. DBZ maybe, but they still follow Goku despite even Gohan having kids now.

Whenever a series has main characters that have kids, they never really dive into kids at all or they end it at the point when they have kids. Fruits Basket didn't talk about Tohru's offspring. Love Hina didn't go into Narusegawa's and Keitaro's kids. Rurouni Kenshin went into Kenshin's kid, but unlike Bolt he respected and loved his father and actually learned his techniques and continued his father's work. What else?

I jsut can't think of a series that talked about the heroes kids AND put them in situations that gave them interesting stories. They kind of just ended the story as they had kids. Even Harry Potter. We aren't following their own kids adventures at Hogwarts because there is really nothing to tell and there is no villain after them.

And the existence of such "villains" only further lacks any sense and serves to add even more questions like what the heck they were doing this WHOLE time until they actually appeared? If they hate the world so much as it is now, why not take advantage of the chaos of the Fourth Shinobi War to enact their own plans or something? It's further evidence that there is no planning or good reasoning for it besides, again, milking the series in a bad way.

While some can say DBZ is doing the same with Super and the movies, while there may be flaws, at least it still feels like they're trying to be decent, not completely retconning anything important and such.


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Posted 14 August 2015 - 10:24 PM

I've been brwosing tumblr, and honestly the reason this movie is being taken as okay is because it has lots of SNS in it


Well, SP now knows what to do should they decide to continue further. They probably have to rely on Otsutsuki clan members for antagonists

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Posted 14 August 2015 - 10:33 PM

Well, SP now knows what to do should they decide to continue further. They probably have to rely on Otsutsuki clan members for antagonists

Man, they sucked bad. When you think about it, Toneri is the only one with character. Yes, I said it.

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Posted 14 August 2015 - 11:49 PM

I could see were they could do 1 movie a year or a series of OVAs were Naruto and Sasuke(and possible the new team 7) deal with the big bad at the end

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Posted 15 August 2015 - 12:16 AM

one of the reasons i hated recent dbz is because its STILL about goku. kitten this nigga, his story has been told and the author cant even respect what he wanted! which was to pass on the torch because he knew he wouldnt last forever. this made gohan and gotenks completely pointless and a waste of time, not to mention power ups for the villain. add on top of that the over abundance of super saiyans that completely ruin the concept not to mention kittening all over the rest of the cast of humans and namek making them completely irrelevant and you got yourself a disaster of a mess. toriyama gets minus points for letting his editors and fans pressure him to changing HIS story. its a b!tch nigga move, you write your story, you tell it the way you want it.



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Posted 15 August 2015 - 12:34 AM

one of the reasons i hated recent dbz is because its STILL about goku. kitten this nigga, his story has been told and the author cant even respect what he wanted! which was to pass on the torch because he knew he wouldnt last forever. this made gohan and gotenks completely pointless and a waste of time, not to mention power ups for the villain. add on top of that the over abundance of super saiyans that completely ruin the concept not to mention kittening all over the rest of the cast of humans and namek making them completely irrelevant and you got yourself a disaster of a mess. toriyama gets minus points for letting his editors and fans pressure him to changing HIS story. its a b!tch nigga move, you write your story, you tell it the way you want it.

 

The difference between Kishi and Toriyama is that even though both stories had editorial pressure, Toriyama's one fortunately didn't managed to ruin the story and that's because DB/DBZ is simple story about  boy/man who likes to fight and eat, Naruto tried to be this huge complex thing with deep themes and when the author couldn't even handle them in a right way, the editorial pressure came in and ruined everything further. 

 

 

And more about DBZ, well man, DB is Goku's story and always will be probably, no use trying to fight against the stream, at least Goku remained in character throughout the years.


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Posted 15 August 2015 - 12:53 AM

basically naruto bit off more than he could chew

 

at LEAST dbz foreshadowed gohan being the next main. at least.


Edited by Catra, 15 August 2015 - 12:56 AM.


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Posted 15 August 2015 - 01:55 PM

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Posted 15 August 2015 - 01:57 PM

I'm Currently reliving my jouney of The Naruto journey to see how far I can read it before I get reminded of the hell that occurs, so far I'm doing pretty well and I've got through The first 4 Volumes and I came across this moment:

 

 

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From Chapter 43:

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Posted 15 August 2015 - 02:09 PM

More from chapter 43:

 

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So far I got to say rereading Naruto has felt pretty nostalgic and man do these moments take me back. 


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Posted 15 August 2015 - 03:04 PM

More from chapter 43:

 

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So far I got to say rereading Naruto has felt pretty nostalgic and man do these moments take me back. 

Sakura - The girl that supported Naruto from the beginning.

Hinata  - The girl that never supported Naruto ever. And still doesn't.


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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 15 August 2015 - 03:40 PM

Sakura - The girl that supported Naruto from the beginning.

Hinata  - The girl that never supported Naruto ever. And still doesn't.

 

I'll be honest this part for me was like the sprout in seeing The potential for NaruSaku before I started shipping them.


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