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[bthug]

Would you guys agree that Sakura and Naruto are past the friend stage, or is that still a terrible possibility.

[Phantom_999]

can someone please explain to me why people consider sakura weak as a ninja?

Simple THEY DON"T LIKE HER No matter how many fights she will win in the future People will always over look her accomplishments and make up excuses as to why her wins are not a big deal, and also what tax-man said is true too there is always a better and more important fight showing with Naruto or Kakashi or Sasuke to name a few by the way I thought up jutsu for Sakura too

Would you guys agree that Sakura and Naruto are past the friend stage, or is that still a terrible possibility.

You still doubt that after all this time? Yeah the're even more intimate than ever to be honest, definitely past friendship, little to no evidence suggests other wise.

[Super Boom]

Err, Ino and Tenten are in Naruto's mental image picture in the original of chapter 505. (Tenten is next to Rock Lee and Ino is next to her.) I saw the image in their reproduction and they actually erased and altered some lines, and overlightened it too. They took away most of the shadowing of Hinata's face and changed her frown to a neutral expression, and redrew the bottom of Sakura's eyes, so that the light blush looks instead like overlarge eyes. Key point- Kishimoto doesn't put open space below the bottom of the eyeballs on the eyes of anyone else in that image. If you look at the scanalation you see a faint hint of the bottom of Sakura's eyes at the corner of her eyes- above where the very short slanted lines on her upper cheeks- how and where he always draws Sakura's light blushes. You can also see in the scanalation there is a line right below Sakura's eyeballs and above the slanted lines on her upper cheeks. The scanalation here has the original printing from Japan's Shonen Jump with just the English text pasted in (unfortunately over much of Ino's face and part of Tenten's.)

http://www.mangaread...hapter-505.html

I was rather annoyed when I saw what US Shonen Jump did to that image, it goes right along with the strangely rather inaccurate translation in 504 of Kushina's advice to Naruto about what type girl he should avoid, rather odd because the rest was fairly accurate....

Okay, I see now. The version I read had too much text, so you couldn't even see Ino and half of Tenten's faces. At least if it's all of the Konoha 11 then there's not too much significance in him including Hinata among his 'best friends'.

As far as the eyes go, I guess I really didn't see blushing my first time, but they definitely look different than usual. And you're right noone else has that lower eye 'line'. She's either lightly blushing or Kishi randomly decided to draw bags under her eyes. And I don't know why Naruto would see Sakura as 'tired' in his mind.

[ciardha]

You still doubt that after all this time? Yeah the're even more intimate than ever to be honest, definitely past friendship, little to no evidence suggests other wise.

bthug said he hasn't really read the manga, he watches the anime.

bthug, you really need to read the manga. The anime adaption does too much filler, distorts Naruto and Sakura's personalities in those fillers- Naruto too stupid, and Sakura waaay too tsundere and weaker- she gets knocked out way too much in fillers compared to manga canon (yet something else the anime did to contribute to negative fan opinion of Sakura), and sometime they even undermine canon narusaku moments from the manga: the attempted ramen feeding scene is an obvious one in part 2. In part 1 they glaringly leave out Sakura selflessly (without a thought of self preservation, Sasuke or their client Tazuna) acting to save Naruto's life at the beginning of Zabuza's attack in chapter 11, Kakashi shields Sasuke, Sakura immediately throws herself on top of Naruto- much to his surprised blushing pleasure . And no, Sakura doesn't then act like a stereotyped tsundere like they write her in the anime and hit him. Gah! That annoys more than any of their other tsundere stereotyping of Sakura that they do. (especially in part 1, but in part 2 as well- re Shippuden movie 2, where Sakura goes ballistic when she wakes up in Naruto's embrace- manga canon Sakura liked physical contact with Naruto from the beginning of part 2, and I don't recall any moment even in part 1 where she reacted with anger being in close physical contact with Naruto- we even see her supporting him on a return from a part 1 mission, with no repulsion at the proximity to him, she is even chiding him fairly gently for part 1 for "overdoing it" on that mission.

You can find even early chapters online- if you hunt for them. You might also try your local public library, lots of them in the US have manga collections that you can borrow.

Edited by ciardha, 13 May 2011 - 05:31 AM.

[Master Sage]

Question time. What would Naruto and Sakura's relationship be like if Sasuke never left the village or never felt any hatred? Would you think Sakura would still ignore Naruto, or do you think she would see how much of a great ninja he is?

[Paptala]

Question time. What would Naruto and Sakura's relationship be like if Sasuke never left the village or never felt any hatred? Would you think Sakura would still ignore Naruto, or do you think she would see how much of a great ninja he is?

I think that they would have reached this point eventually regardless.

Sakura was already coming to appreciate and recognize Naruto even with Sasuke there. The scenes that come instantly to my mind are of Sakura being willing to quit the chuunin exams for Naruto's dreams, Sakura having that whole flashback of being wrong in her initial impression of Naruto during his fight with Kiba, her thanking Naruto for helping her in the fight with Ino, and then her softly smiling at Naruto after hearing that he was the one that saved her from Gaara. Likewise, Naruto's actions and feelings for were selfless and strong for Sakura before Sasuke left.

It just would have happened with less angst along the way too had Sasuke never left.

[Yoh]

I wonder what it would be like if Sasuke never existed, lol..

[bthug]

Question time. What would Naruto and Sakura's relationship be like if Sasuke never left the village or never felt any hatred? Would you think Sakura would still ignore Naruto, or do you think she would see how much of a great ninja he is?

I think Naruto and Sakura would be closer, cause Naruto would still be the man, saving the day and still be constantly hunted. Neither Naruto or Sakura would have to worry about sasuke, so they could focus on each other more and besides sasuke never showed any feeling toward Sakura.

[Super Boom]

bthug, you really need to read the manga. The anime adaption does too much filler, distorts Naruto and Sakura's personalities in those fillers- Naruto too stupid, and Sakura waaay too tsundere and weaker- she gets knocked out way too much in fillers compared to manga canon (yet something else the anime did to contribute to negative fan opinion of Sakura), and sometime they even undermine canon narusaku moments from the manga: the attempted ramen feeding scene is an obvious one in part 2. In part 1 they glaringly leave out Sakura selflessly (without a thought of self preservation, Sasuke or their client Tazuna) acting to save Naruto's life at the beginning of Zabuza's attack in chapter 11, Kakashi shields Sasuke, Sakura immediately throws herself on top of Naruto- much to his surprised blushing pleasure . And no, Sakura doesn't then act like a stereotyped tsundere like they write her in the anime and hit him. Gah! That annoys more than any of their other tsundere stereotyping of Sakura that they do. (especially in part 1, but in part 2 as well- re Shippuden movie 2, where Sakura goes ballistic when she wakes up in Naruto's embrace- manga canon Sakura liked physical contact with Naruto from the beginning of part 2, and I don't recall any moment even in part 1 where she reacted with anger being in close physical contact with Naruto- we even see her supporting him on a return from a part 1 mission, with no repulsion at the proximity to him, she is even chiding him fairly gently for part 1 for "overdoing it" on that mission.

That's true, the anime does sort of distort things, but I don't know if we can really say it's bias against us. Personally, I feel like Shippuden has been pretty good with our pairing. They did screw up the ramen feeding scene, and makes Sakura act more tsundere, but I thought the anime's version of the Rasen-Shuriken training during the Hidan/Kakuzu arc was really hinting at NaruSaku. I mean first Sakura makes soldier pills for Naruto (I might be wrong, but I think I read somewhere that a girl preparing food for a guy before courtship has some sort of romantic connation in Japan). Then she has a conversation with Iruka about how 'everyone's changing'. Then she reflects on the photo (that actually was canon) and remembers Naruto complimenting her during the Land of Waves arc, and even recalls Yamato's unfinished sentence! Then, it shows Naruto holding some notes Sakura wrote for him over his heart. And throughout the rest of it, they basically show Sakura crying when Naruto gets hurt during the training, and getting mad when Sai belittles Naruto.

So yeah, the anime definitely adds a lot of extra NaruHina/SasuSaku scenes, and belittles NaruSaku sometimes, but I don't think it's that bad. But good or bad, the manga is the original, so that's the best place to go to truly understand the character relationships.

[ShippudenGirl]

@Tax:

Some people are just stupid and ignorant, especially with dialogue. Sasori took out a COUNTRY. They think she's weak because she had Chiyo's help? My goodness. How often have they seen Hinata hold her own? Not against Neji. Can't remember any other fights, oh yeah, because she's a side character.

[dfammer]

She's not really worth mentioning(Hinata),she has no storyline or anything interesting to say...She's a lot like Kiba and Lee they are used every once and a while but ignored the rest of the time,sowe are really wasting time chatting about them .

[Gravenimage]

They said Sakura is weak but let's see what about Hinata?

-She got owned by her sister (five years younger than her).
-She got owned by Neji at the chunin exams.
-She stood at the side lines while Naruto and Yamato confronted Kabuto during the hunt for Sasuke and Itachi arc.
-She got owned by Pain.

Question who is really weak???

[Phantom_999]

@Tax:

Some people are just stupid and ignorant, especially with dialogue. Sasori took out a COUNTRY. They think she's weak because she had Chiyo's help? My goodness. How often have they seen Hinata hold her own? Not against Neji. Can't remember any other fights, oh yeah, because she's a side character.

They said Sakura is weak but let's see what about Hinata?

-She got owned by her sister (five years younger than her).
-She got owned by Neji at the chunin exams.
-She stood at the side lines while Naruto and Yamato confronted Kabuto during the hunt for Sasuke and Itachi arc.
-She got owned by Pain.

Question who is really weak???

EXACTLY...... whatever Sakura haters say thats negative to her applies one hundredth fold to their PRECIOUS GODDESS( If they're Hinata fans) She hasn't done anything useful since day one of her introduction and don't forget FILLERS don't count If Sakura is SO USELESS then name ONE Time your beloved Hinata won a fight in her life not counting the war she did not kill anyone important

[Greed-Sama]

They said Sakura is weak but let's see what about Hinata?

-She got owned by her sister (five years younger than her).
-She got owned by Neji at the chunin exams.
-She stood at the side lines while Naruto and Yamato confronted Kabuto during the hunt for Sasuke and Itachi arc.
-She got owned by Pain.

Question who is really weak???

I agree with everything except with Pain. I'm sure if Sakura had fought Pain she would have gotten owned as well. Kakashi lost against Pain as did Jiraiya. So I wouldn't have expected any of the Rookie 9 to be able to take him on.

[Gravenimage]

EXACTLY...... whatever Sakura haters say thats negative to her applies one hundredth fold to their PRECIOUS GODDESS( If they're Hinata fans) She hasn't done anything useful since day one of her introduction and don't forget FILLERS don't count If Sakura is SO USELESS then name ONE Time your beloved Hinata won a fight in her life not counting the war she did not kill anyone important

In addition Hinata has beaten some bee's and some guy with some magnetic powers, oh wait those were fillers they don't count as official cannon material.

Omegaman@

True but Sakura is smart and she will never charge head first without a plan against someone who managed to killed Jiraiya and Kakashi.

Edited by Gravenimage, 14 May 2011 - 02:04 AM.

[ShippudenGirl]

Yeah, Sakura probably would've had a plan. She's not irrational, though I can't really blame Hinata because it was a spur of the moment thing. I'm sure Sakura would've flipped to, but at least last more then 30 seconds against Pain.

[Super Boom]

I wonder how Naruto would have reacted if it was Sakura who got 'killed' by Pain. I'm guessing he would go straight nine-tails. Minato wouldn't even have had a chance to talk to him.

On second thought, maybe it's better it was a minor character like Hinata to get hurt in front of him.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 14 May 2011 - 02:38 AM.

[bthug]

Wait the messed up the ramen feeding scene that sucks and plz don't back mouth Rock Lee, he is the man probably my second favorite character. I've always felt that the show could have been based of Lee, well at least part one, I hope he gets his moments...sorry that was really off topic.

[bthug]

Wait the messed up the ramen feeding scene that sucks and plz don't back mouth Rock Lee, he is the man probably my second favorite character. I've always felt that the show could have been based of Lee, well at least part one, I hope he gets his moments...sorry that was really off topic.

Now that I mention it, Lee's "love" for Sakura is very similar to hinata's feeling towards Naruto and we know that's not going anywhere, at least I hope not...btw does Sakura refer to Naruto as "Kun" in the manga/Japanese anime.

[Darth Krypt]

Now that I mention it, Lee's "love" for Sakura is very similar to hinata's feeling towards Naruto and we know that's not going anywhere, at least I hope not...btw does Sakura refer to Naruto as "Kun" in the manga/Japanese anime.

She doesn't use honorifics. Its just "Naruto". In japanese culture its a big deal for 2 people to not use honorifics when calling their names. It means they share a close relationship. Well I guess all of you should know this already.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 14 May 2011 - 04:02 AM.