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[Phantom_999]

I think if Mashima was given more pages to work with, he would've expanded Laxus' flashback a bit more by having Mavis teach him Yuri's magic.

 

Yeah that'd be ace really. OR next week we flash back to it. That  would be good too! but either way I'm fine with the developments.

[Nami]

Ah man, there's a movie coming out? Why haven't I heard anything about this? I really should visit this forum more, it's way more informative than tumblr. 

 

Looking forward to Lisanna giving Natsu a new scarf, Natsu only like Lucy because she was a symbol between Gray and Natsu, a new villain out of nowhere who deemed to be worse than Zeref and Acnologia combined wanting to score Lisanna, her heritage ended up being way more important than dragons and END, and the most overly cliche kiss scene with no logic explained on how they're flying.

 

Nah, it will probably turn out that the scarf that Natsu wears is not a gift form Igneel at all, but from Lisanna. Yeah, they were good friends way before Natsu met Igneel, but he doesn't remember it because... um... I don't know, ask Kishi to explain it to you.

Actually, after the Last, I wouldn't be surprised if all of what you mentioned did come true. 

 

Chapter's out: http://readms.com/r/...tail/471/3205/1

Also, here's the ad about the movie in higher res: http://readms.com/r/...tail/471/3205/2

Well, if you zoom in, the girl sure does look like Lucy in a Draco Star Dress, but I'm still betting on it being an OC.

Also, I think it's pretty clear from what we can infer from the GaLe moment here that they've "done" it. I would NOT be surprised for Levy to find out she's pregnant after at least a week has passed in the story. By that time, the impending battle with Acno will come nearer and this would give him the motivation to win and come back alive.

It's also a good move from Mashima to push NaLu together. In TvTropes terms, GaLe is the beta couple to NaLu. Usually the beta will show a huge step in their relationship to push the alpha couple together.

 

Wait, what do you mean about GaLe? I really didn't see that much development, but I would agree that they are close to being the beta couple.

[Phantom_999]

well not development but they are pretty heavily hinted at

 

And well, isn't that the REASON why you should visit more?

Edited by Phantom_999, 21 February 2016 - 08:17 PM.

[Codus N]

Ah man, there's a movie coming out? Why haven't I heard anything about this? I really should visit this forum more, it's way more informative than tumblr. 
 

 
Nah, it will probably turn out that the scarf that Natsu wears is not a gift form Igneel at all, but from Lisanna. Yeah, they were good friends way before Natsu met Igneel, but he doesn't remember it because... um... I don't know, ask Kishi to explain it to you.
Actually, after the Last, I wouldn't be surprised if all of what you mentioned did come true. 
 

 
Wait, what do you mean about GaLe? I really didn't see that much development, but I would agree that they are close to being the beta couple.

Well, there was that whole blanket thing that got everybody in a tizzy, but now that I've seen how intimate and comfortable they are with each other (and not just that innuendo), and how Levy kept talking about they wouldn't make it back this time, I think it definitely is a foreshadowing. As I've explained above, Levy's pregnancy could motivate Gajeel in his impending fight against Acno.

[AHK]

Well, there was that whole blanket thing that got everybody in a tizzy, but now that I've seen how intimate and comfortable they are with each other (and not just that innuendo), and how Levy kept talking about they wouldn't make it back this time, I think it definitely is a foreshadowing. As I've explained above, Levy's pregnancy could motivate Gajeel in his impending fight against Acno.

The pregnancy seems so far off base that even calling it speculation is a ridiculous understatement. Also, considering that Acnologia brutally oneshot the strongest man on both continents not named Zeref, and that man also happened to be a dragonslayer, it's also far fetched to even think that Gajeel will be a part of that fight, even considering that's what he was sent there to do. At this point, it would be incredibly stupid for any of the dragon slayers not named Natsu to be fighting Acnologia, and even then Natsu would have to be END before he fought Acnologia.

The final fight is going to be Natsu vs Acnologia vs Zeref. Anybody else getting involved in that fight would be ridiculously out of place and stupid.

[Codus N]

Well then, you have to ask what was the point of creating the other dragon slayers to begin with (story-wise)? One thing I always hoped from FT as a series was that it would change the whole final battle trope, as instead of having a one-on-one, it would be a concerted effort with all 7 dragonslayers. Then there's Lucy in all this.... Will she play a role similar to Elie, where she lands a decisive blow to the big bad that leads to his defeat? Or will it be something else?

FT would at the very least gain an 8/10 overall if it does something like FMA's climax.

[AHK]

Well then, you have to ask what was the point of creating the other dragon slayers to begin with (story-wise)? One thing I always hoped from FT as a series was that it would change the whole final battle trope, as instead of having a one-on-one, it would be a concerted effort with all 7 dragonslayers. Then there's Lucy in all this.... Will she play a role similar to Elie, where she lands a decisive blow to the big bad that leads to his defeat? Or will it be something else?
FT would at the very least gain an 8/10 overall if it does something like FMA's climax.

The point was probably to help explain Natsu and give more depth to his past. At this point it simply isn't feasible for anyon other than END and Zeref to be in a fight with Acnologia. Serana was stronger than all of the other dragon slayers combined, he solo'd the top 4 of ishgar, and got instantaneously wrecked by Acnologia. It makes zero sense for th all to be in a fight with Acnologia. He would dominate them all.

[rocci]

The power of friendship or they will empower natsu.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Or we can have Acnologia's higher up out of nowhere and have her take over out of nowhere and pretty much stole all final position at the last minute. That will solve everything.

[Codus N]

The point was probably to help explain Natsu and give more depth to his past. At this point it simply isn't feasible for anyon other than END and Zeref to be in a fight with Acnologia. Serana was stronger than all of the other dragon slayers combined, he solo'd the top 4 of ishgar, and got instantaneously wrecked by Acnologia. It makes zero sense for th all to be in a fight with Acnologia. He would dominate them all.

I think that argument is moot. Even without the other dragonslayers, it wouldn't have affected Natsu any other way aside that he did come from the past. It would've been as simple as Zeref explaining to Natsu his origins. The other dragonslayers have no effect on Natsu's past whatsoever.

I will very much agree with you on Acnologia, but there is one question that's been hanging over my head since Natsu revealed his FDK mode. Do the other dragonslayers have a similar power-up as well? It is possible that when the dragon parents learned Face was about to be activated, they decided to create a back-up plan by leaving a portion of their powers behind. If it's true, I'd guess that the original five will still have a role to play.

And we still have Lucy..... Will she play a role in the final battle just like Elie did? If so, what will it be?

[Nami]

Well, there was that whole blanket thing that got everybody in a tizzy, but now that I've seen how intimate and comfortable they are with each other (and not just that innuendo), and how Levy kept talking about they wouldn't make it back this time, I think it definitely is a foreshadowing. As I've explained above, Levy's pregnancy could motivate Gajeel in his impending fight against Acno.

 

Oh I see, the blanket thing. Almost forgot about that one.   Well, I have to admit that was obvious shipping bait, but it doesn't really point toward them 'doing it' for me. (Besides, even if they were in the same bed, how many times have we seen NaLu sleeping together, but not really sleeping together?)   Their whole interaction is still not really that close, although they've obviously grown more comfortable with each other. Especially when Gajeel comforts her, he still can't tell her how he feels more directly, but uses jokes and his usual jail references to try to assure her.

 

And we still have Lucy..... Will she play a role in the final battle just like Elie did? If so, what will it be?

 

I sure hope she will. I have a feeling we didn't find out the 'Heartfilia aiding the dragons in time travel' story for nothing. It will play a role eventually, but just like you, I still can't imagine how.

[Phantom_999]

Or we can have Acnologia's higher up out of nowhere and have her take over out of nowhere and pretty much stole all final position at the last minute. That will solve everything.

 

Well there IS Ankhseram TW what is with all this *throws up* Naruto referrence?

[harry4e]

WTF....for crying out loud, they didn't just reverse another one of the best moments from this manga...This better be a temp solution otherwise it's very close to becoming a completely pointless manga series. Nothing sticks!!! Are we really meant to feel any sort of dispair about Natsu's dilemma is history teaches us everything will be fine? Mashima is trying to create drama with the situation Natsu is in, but I feel nothing, all i'm interested in is how he'll survive at the end....Heck I wouldn't be surprised if Simon turns up alive next week as well.

[LuckyChi7]

Time to go live: 

 

[Phantom_999]

WTF....for crying out loud, they didn't just reverse another one of the best moments from this manga...This better be a temp solution otherwise it's very close to becoming a completely pointless manga series. Nothing sticks!!! Are we really meant to feel any sort of dispair about Natsu's dilemma is history teaches us everything will be fine? Mashima is trying to create drama with the situation Natsu is in, but I feel nothing, all i'm interested in is how he'll survive at the end....Heck I wouldn't be surprised if Simon turns up alive next week as well.

 

Well true enough but you DO realize it was sort of set up already other wise Ultear would be dead. Other than that Lucy sleeping next to Natsu on his ill bed is sweet. How many times do we see love interests do that?  besides it's not completely true. Simon as you've mentioned is dead. Igneel is  dead (as are all the other Dragon slayer parents), and Silver is dead so yeah. I think that Death needs to have an impact on the story before it sticks and Ultear wasn't dead. Just saying.

Edited by Phantom_999, 22 February 2016 - 06:13 PM.

[AHK]

Ultear coming back is actually pretty welcome, I'd honestly rather see her than Jellal. I hope he dies tbh, he makes the story worse.

I think that argument is moot. Even without the other dragonslayers, it wouldn't have affected Natsu any other way aside that he did come from the past. It would've been as simple as Zeref explaining to Natsu his origins. The other dragonslayers have no effect on Natsu's past whatsoever.
I will very much agree with you on Acnologia, but there is one question that's been hanging over my head since Natsu revealed his FDK mode. Do the other dragonslayers have a similar power-up as well? It is possible that when the dragon parents learned Face was about to be activated, they decided to create a back-up plan by leaving a portion of their powers behind. If it's true, I'd guess that the original five will still have a role to play.
And we still have Lucy..... Will she play a role in the final battle just like Elie did? If so, what will it be?

It helps build just how seriously they took Acnologia, and in essence it will help build how strong Natsu is when he's getting ready to fight Acnologia. Also, they do, because all the dragons knew each other. The dragon slayers are all a part of Natsu's origin because they are other examples of the history of the world. The problem is that beyond that, they're irrelevant. They probably don't have the level of power Natsu showed, or anything near it, because they would have already used it considering the threat level of the people against them. It doesn't make sense that they wouldn't use it. Natsu could have crushed any of the other people in the war, considering he damn near killed Zeref, so if they had that level of power, the war would be over.

[harry4e]

 

Well true enough but you DO realize it was sort of set up already other wise Ultear would be dead. Other than that Lucy sleeping next to Natsu on his ill bed is sweet. How many times do we see love interests do that?  besides it's not completely true. Simon as you've mentioned is dead. Igneel is  dead (as are all the other Dragon slayer parents), and Silver is dead so yeah. I think that Death needs to have an impact on the story before it sticks and Ultear wasn't dead. Just saying.

 

Dragneel was dead before the manga started, Silver was also dead, he was a Zombie or something, so I don't count either of their death as deaths that had an impact, plus you never got the chance to really fall in love with the charactors, they were in one arc and their purpose was to give their children a chance to lay some ghosts to bed and gain a powerup.

 

Ultear had a long history with the readers, we saw her as a enemy, as the wrongs daughter of Ur, the person who sought redemption, and ultimately sacrificed herself to turn the tide of the war with the Dragons. Her return just makes her final goodbye feel hollow now. it cheapens the manga as a whole, you need sacrifices to be made to keep the question of potential deaths in the future uncertain. Two weeks back when we were trying to be convinced that Laxus could die, had zero tension because we knew he would just like his grandfather multiple times end up surviving, but he is a FT member so we expect it.

 

Now with Ultear's return you don't even expect even any of the other named side charactors from other guilds to die either, and while we have a war going on, the tension or hype you should be feeling just isn't there because you don't feel like anyone will die, which for a battle manga where each fight is meant to be life or death situations, just makes you not care for the actual battles. It's dulled a large portion of the manga.

 

The relationships between the charactors is what's propping this manga up at the moment. It's the biggest selling point, the battles and even the story to an extent doesn't feel as important as much.

[LuckyChi7]

 

Dragneel was dead before the manga started, Silver was also dead, he was a Zombie or something, so I don't count either of their death as deaths that had an impact, plus you never got the chance to really fall in love with the charactors, they were in one arc and their purpose was to give their children a chance to lay some ghosts to bed and gain a powerup.

 

Ultear had a long history with the readers, we saw her as a enemy, as the wrongs daughter of Ur, the person who sought redemption, and ultimately sacrificed herself to turn the tide of the war with the Dragons. Her return just makes her final goodbye feel hollow now. it cheapens the manga as a whole, you need sacrifices to be made to keep the question of potential deaths in the future uncertain. Two weeks back when we were trying to be convinced that Laxus could die, had zero tension because we knew he would just like his grandfather multiple times end up surviving, but he is a FT member so we expect it.

 

Now with Ultear's return you don't even expect even any of the other named side charactors from other guilds to die either, and while we have a war going on, the tension or hype you should be feeling just isn't there because you don't feel like anyone will die, which for a battle manga where each fight is meant to be life or death situations, just makes you not care for the actual battles. It's dulled a large portion of the manga.

 

The relationships between the charactors is what's propping this manga up at the moment. It's the biggest selling point, the battles and even the story to an extent doesn't feel as important as much.

 

Biggest selling point??? 

 

I'm sorry, but I think you're blowing that out of proportion  it only happens every now and then. People I've talked about and seen on youtube only talk rarely talk about the pairings, It wasn't that long ago that we've had the Natsu vs Zeref scuffle, and rarely did I hear peeps talk about relationships, Plus two chapters ago we had the Wizard Saints vs God Serena and Acnologia coming into the fray.  People didn't mention relationships they talked about how excited they were to see him, and of course Crime Sorciere just arrived and that's equally being talked about as the little tease they dropped for Lyon and Meredy.  Look on the bright side, would you want this end being like the Fourth Great Ninja War where we had Hinata's big speech only for her to quickly sweep Neji's death like milk and cookies to Oh yeah let's forget there's a war going on and how big and strong Naruto's hand is instead of thinking of a strategic strategy to take down the enemy... Also do I need to bring up Kaguya??  

 

   

Another thing is when all the springgan members showed up like Bloodman,  Invel, etc.  people are still curious about how their fights are gonna take place.  It's one thing to think of Grand Magic Games, but we've come so far past that time it's not even funny (with the exception of Avatar mini arc).  So relax it could just be a temporary thing like with Acquruis,  we just got to wait and see what happens.  I can understnad being frustrated though since it' a weekly manga and waiting for the next chapter can be pretty brutal. Hopefully i didn't sound like a pissed off dude,  cause I'm just trying to help and explain that's all. 

[harry4e]

 

Biggest selling point??? 

 

I'm sorry, but I think you're blowing that out of proportion  it only happens every now and then. People I've talked about and seen on youtube only talk rarely talk about the pairings, It wasn't that long ago that we've had the Natsu vs Zeref scuffle, and rarely did I hear peeps talk about relationships, Plus two chapters ago we had the Wizard Saints vs God Serena and Acnologia coming into the fray.  People didn't mention relationships they talked about how excited they were to see him, and of course Crime Sorciere just arrived and that's equally being talked about as the little tease they dropped for Lyon and Meredy.  Look on the bright side, would you want this end being like the Fourth Great Ninja War where we had Hinata's big speech only for her to quickly sweep Neji's death like milk and cookies to Oh yeah let's forget there's a war going on and how big and strong Naruto's hand is instead of thinking of a strategic strategy to take down the enemy... Also do I need to bring up Kaguya??  

 

   

Another thing is when all the springgan members showed up like Bloodman,  Invel, etc.  people are still curious about how their fights are gonna take place.  It's one thing to think of Grand Magic Games, but we've come so far past that time it's not even funny (with the exception of Avatar mini arc).  So relax it could just be a temporary thing like with Acquruis,  we just got to wait and see what happens.  I can understnad being frustrated though since it' a weekly manga and waiting for the next chapter can be pretty brutal. Hopefully i didn't sound like a pissed off dude,  cause I'm just trying to help and explain that's all. 

 

You know Relationship is more than romance right? I meant the relationship between Natsu and Zeref now that the relationship between the two has been discovered, I meant Erza and Kagaya now that it's been discovered she's been keeping the knowledge of her brothers killer from her, the relationship of Angel and Yukino now that it appears they might actually meet. However the conflict and the story doesn't feel that important anymore, it's just not interesting....no scratch that, it's just not interesting the way it's being told. the actual plot is really interesting but the way it has been implemented has been lacklustre and doesn't excite.

 

I want people who made a sacrifice to go with a bang, and be remembered by it.

 

Aquirius was still temporary, once Lucy finds the key she will be reunited with her first friend, the sacrifice was a temporary one, it cheapened the original moment.

 

The manga has been a letdown in it's implementation since the S-Class exams, everytime I read it I get the impression what i'm reading is the Disneyfied version of the manga and the original much better version is hidden away in the mangaka's mind because he has to keep the manga suitable for kids. It's amazing how PG the battles are when you consider the amount of fanservice there is in the series. Not a single battle tha could take place holds any interest at the moment because not a single battle has been slightly bit interesting.

 

But that's my opinion, if you are getting something different from the manga good for you, but for me, I've ended nearly all the chapters recently with disappointment.

[Codus N]

WTF....for crying out loud, they didn't just reverse another one of the best moments from this manga...This better be a temp solution otherwise it's very close to becoming a completely pointless manga series. Nothing sticks!!! Are we really meant to feel any sort of dispair about Natsu's dilemma is history teaches us everything will be fine? Mashima is trying to create drama with the situation Natsu is in, but I feel nothing, all i'm interested in is how he'll survive at the end....Heck I wouldn't be surprised if Simon turns up alive next week as well.

  

Tell me about it. I was going to give Mashima until the big 500 to see if he'll turn things around, but he's coming pretty close to make drop it before that.

Ultear coming back is actually pretty welcome, I'd honestly rather see her than Jellal. I hope he dies tbh, he makes the story worse.
It helps build just how seriously they took Acnologia, and in essence it will help build how strong Natsu is when he's getting ready to fight Acnologia. Also, they do, because all the dragons knew each other. The dragon slayers are all a part of Natsu's origin because they are other examples of the history of the world. The problem is that beyond that, they're irrelevant. They probably don't have the level of power Natsu showed, or anything near it, because they would have already used it considering the threat level of the people against them. It doesn't make sense that they wouldn't use it. Natsu could have crushed any of the other people in the war, considering he damn near killed Zeref, so if they had that level of power, the war would be over.

  

I'd rather see Gruvia die and have GrayTear canon if only because I want to see those NH-slash-Gruvia fans panicking and screaming....

Again, I wholeheartedly disagree. It should've been as simple as Igneel choosing to teach him DS magic because as E.N.D., he has the most potential to kill Acno. Mashima could've done without the other dragons if he wasn't going to end up using them and their children in the bigger scheme of things, namely Acnologia. He could've had Igneel be the last living dragon and it wouldn't have changed Natsu's origins any other way. The others have absolutely no effect on Natsu's origins and identity.

As for the possibly similar power-ups the other dragonslayers might have like Natsu's, keep in mind that they haven't even faced August-level opponents yet. For the past year, they've only been taking care of fodders. Not much of a chance to really pull out all the stops.

You know Relationship is more than romance right? I meant the relationship between Natsu and Zeref now that the relationship between the two has been discovered, I meant Erza and Kagaya now that it's been discovered she's been keeping the knowledge of her brothers killer from her, the relationship of Angel and Yukino now that it appears they might actually meet. However the conflict and the story doesn't feel that important anymore, it's just not interesting....no scratch that, it's just not interesting the way it's being told. the actual plot is really interesting but the way it has been implemented has been lacklustre and doesn't excite.
 
I want people who made a sacrifice to go with a bang, and be remembered by it.
 
Aquirius was still temporary, once Lucy finds the key she will be reunited with her first friend, the sacrifice was a temporary one, it cheapened the original moment.
 
The manga has been a letdown in it's implementation since the S-Class exams, everytime I read it I get the impression what i'm reading is the Disneyfied version of the manga and the original much better version is hidden away in the mangaka's mind because he has to keep the manga suitable for kids. It's amazing how PG the battles are when you consider the amount of fanservice there is in the series. Not a single battle tha could take place holds any interest at the moment because not a single battle has been slightly bit interesting.
 
But that's my opinion, if you are getting something different from the manga good for you, but for me, I've ended nearly all the chapters recently with disappointment.

I agree (assuming I understand what you mean). FT has always been top-notch when it comes to conflicts/battles up until this arc, but when it comes to the aftermath, it has consistently fallen flat and feels like lost potential.