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[ciardha]

I actually believe that in this genjutsu world Sakura's parents might be dead, sort of an exchange for Naruto's parents to be alive in the genjutsu. It wouldn't make sense for Hizashi to retire at his age since he's still probably in his 40s, unless there were some unexpected circumstances that forced him to retire.

Or he just wanted to, this is a genjutsu so usual things don't necessarily apply.

But look at Hiruzen in the actual world Naruto and Sakura live in, he probably retired several years before Naruto was born and let Minato take over as Hokage. Minato was the youngest Hokage, and we know that Hiruzen was approximately somewhere between 19-23 when he became the third (probably more 21-23, as Minato looks at least 18-19 in his Hokage photograph).

So say Minato was 20- and it seems he was 27 when he died (as it appears he and Kushina were probably age peers of Mikoto Uchiha.) Hiruzen was only 49 (when Minato was 20) when he retired to let Minato become the 4th. Hiruzen was younger than Jiraiya and Tsunade when the Hokage position was offered to them.

There was a system during a period of Japan where a emperor would rule openly for only a few years, then would "retire" -and actually have more power then than when they occupied the emperor's throne. I kind of got that vibe from Hiruzen and Minato's set up. I think Minato, despite wanting the job, felt a bit insecure about some of his abilities to be Hokage, and relied on Hiruzen a lot. (Not in battle, he seemed the most sure of himself when fighting.) It seemed to be the day to day things, settling disputes, etc... that he felt the most insecure about- you can see that reflected his overt discomfort in dealing with the squabbling between Kakashi and Obito, but he actually dealt with it fairly well overall... He got Obito to understand why Kakashi was like that. Which got Kakashi to the point where he came to treat Obito with respect in the final days of their interaction, and mourn Obito intensely after his great sacrifice. (making Kakashi vow to try to be more like Obito- I think it took Team 7, especially Naruto, to bring that effort to the surface.)

Edited by ciardha, 17 July 2012 - 03:35 AM.

[Paptala]

I fully agree with those stating that Sakura is going to play a large role in the upcoming movie - why else would she get her own promotional episode, and be one of four main characters in this movie? As others have said, she is being put in the same situation as Naruto this time, the only one aside from him who is aware that they are in a genjutsu.

I can't imagine going through such an emotional genjutsu together won't result in any bonding and/or comforting by the end of the movie.

Btw, I love Sakura's "let's go home, together" line - it fits in perfectly with their exchanges of dialogue concerning doing things "together" (i.e. "next time we'll do it together", "I promised Naruto that next time we do it together", "I'm still here. We'll get stronger, together", "This makes me happy...it feels like we're getting closer to Sasuke, together", and "This time, we're going to be together!") I'm probably seeing a connection where there isn't any, but this concept of working together as equals, as partners that they can mutually rely on and trust is one that appeals to me a lot.

Just like what Itachi said about Minato not being able to do what he did alone, he had Kushina by his side.

[Gravenimage]

um, kind of off topic but there will be an all new dbz animated movie in march in japan and the creator of dbz is involved in it. so that's 2 anime movies to look forward to then. here's the link: http://www.saiyanisl...for-march-2013/

There's already an existing thread for the upcoming DBZ movie.

[sushi.]

Or he just wanted to, this is a genjustu so usual things don't necessarily apply.

But look at Hiruzen in the actual world Naruto and Sakura live in, he probably retired several years before Naruto was born and let Minato take over as Hokage, since Minato was the youngest Hokage, and we know that Hiruzen was approximately somewhere between 19-23 when he became the third (probably more 21-23, as Minato looks at least 18-19 in his Hokage photograph).

So say Minato was 20- and it seems he was 27 when he died (as it appears he and Kushina were probably age peers of Mikoto Uchiha.) Hiruzen was only 49 when he retired to let Minato become the 4th. Hiruzen was younger than Jiraiya and Tsunade when the Hokage position was offered to them. There was a system during a period of Japan where a emperor would rule openly for only a few years, then would "retire" -and actually have more power then than when they occupied the emperor's throne. I kind of got that vibe from Hiruzen and Minato's set up. I think Minato, despite wanting the job, felt a bit insecure about some of his abilities to be Hokage, and relied on Hiruzen a lot.

I think Minato was 28 when he died. That he was 26 when Obito died, Kushina got pregnant at age 27. He became Hokage at same age, and died when they were 28. Considering Kakashi was 13 when Obito died, and he was around 15 at the Kyuubi attack.

[ciardha]

I think Minato was 28 when he died. That he was 26 when Obito died, Kushina got pregnant at age 27. He became Hokage at same age, and died when they were 28. Considering Kakashi was 13 when Obito died, and he was around 15 at the Kyuubi attack.

No, Kakashi was 14 at time of the Kyuubi attack. Asuma and Kurenai were 15, Kakashi and Gai were 14.

Kakashi was 26 when he became Team 7's sensei, when they were 12. 26-12=14

[Codus N]

I fully agree with those stating that Sakura is going to play a large role in the upcoming movie - why else would she get her own promotional episode, and be one of four main characters in this movie? As others have said, she is being put in the same situation as Naruto this time, the only one aside from him who is aware that they are in a genjutsu.

I can't imagine going through such an emotional genjutsu together won't result in any bonding and/or comforting by the end of the movie.

Btw, I love Sakura's "let's go home, together" line - it fits in perfectly with their exchanges of dialogue concerning doing things "together" (i.e. "next time we'll do it together", "I promised Naruto that next time we do it together", "I'm still here. We'll get stronger, together", "This makes me happy...it feels like we're getting closer to Sasuke, together", and "This time, we're going to be together!") I'm probably seeing a connection where there isn't any, but this concept of working together as equals, as partners that they can mutually rely on and trust is one that appeals to me a lot.

Just like what Itachi said about Minato not being able to do what he did alone, he had Kushina by his side.

Huh?? where did you get that??

[redragon88]

Huh?? where did you get that??

It's in one of the character cards created to promote the movie. There are cards for different characters and each has a quote which they say in the movie. I think the one with Sasuke has the phrase of "Is there something wrong with me being in my own village" just like we heard in the trailer. I think there's also one for Hinata.

I'm not completely sure if that's the exact sentence Sakura says, but it's something among those lines.

[ciardha]

I fully agree with those stating that Sakura is going to play a large role in the upcoming movie - why else would she get her own promotional episode, and be one of four main characters in this movie? As others have said, she is being put in the same situation as Naruto this time, the only one aside from him who is aware that they are in a genjutsu.

I can't imagine going through such an emotional genjutsu together won't result in any bonding and/or comforting by the end of the movie.

Btw, I love Sakura's "let's go home, together" line - it fits in perfectly with their exchanges of dialogue concerning doing things "together" (i.e. "next time we'll do it together", "I promised Naruto that next time we do it together", "I'm still here. We'll get stronger, together", "This makes me happy...it feels like we're getting closer to Sasuke, together", and "This time, we're going to be together!") I'm probably seeing a connection where there isn't any, but this concept of working together as equals, as partners that they can mutually rely on and trust is one that appeals to me a lot.

Just like what Itachi said about Minato not being able to do what he did alone, he had Kushina by his side.

No, that's exactly the direction you are supposed to go, you even note how another character brings up Minato having Kushina, and remember Kushina reveals that how Hashirama won against Madara was with Mito Uzumaki by his side. Had Hashirama tried to go against Madara alone he might not have survived. Look at what happened to Tobirama and Hiruzen when they fought alone.... From what Tsunade hinted it sounds like Hashirama died when he chose to fight an opponent alone.... Thus a big clue that in the end Naruto will not fight Sasuke alone in their final battle. Look at the Sanin battle as well, Tsunade and Jiraiya needed each other's strength and will to make Orochimaru give up in defeat. He claimed he wasn't but his actions afterward showed otherwise. Even Sasuke knew what was behind Orochimaru's story he told himself...

Edited by ciardha, 17 July 2012 - 03:58 AM.

[Transformers03]

No, that's exactly the direction you are supposed to go, you even note how another character brings up Minato having Kushina, and remember Kushina reveals that how Hashirama won against Madara was with Mito Uzumaki by his side. Had Hashirama tried to go against Madara alone he might not have survived. Look at what happened to Tobirama and Hiruzen when they fought alone.... From what Tsunade hinted it sounds like Hashirama died when he chose to fight an opponent alone.... Thus a big clue that in the end Naruto will not fight Sasuke alone in their final battle. Look at the Sanin battle as well, Tsunade and Jiraiya needed each other's strength and will to make Orochimaru give up in defeat. He claimed he wasn't but his actions afterward showed otherwise. Even Sasuke knew what was behind Orochimaru's story he told himself...

I was thinking the exact same thing. I hope we're not all over thinking this, because I actually like this theory. But maybe not just Sakura, maybe all his friends will get involve. (though personally I would prefer it would just be Sakura, but that's just me)

[Don-kun]

I was thinking the exact same thing. I hope we're not all over thinking this, because I actually like this theory. But maybe not just Sakura, maybe all his friends will get involve. (though personally I would prefer it would just be Sakura, but that's just me)

I really don't think everyone will fight against Sasuke, there will be a moment when Team 7 will shine again, and the scenario is more fitting for Sakura and the rest at a close distance but not in the fight.

[Transformers03]

I really don't think everyone will fight against Sasuke, there will be a moment when Team 7 will shine again, and the scenario is more fitting for Sakura and the rest at a close distance but not in the fight.

I agree, that was the point was trying to come across to. I wasn't really suggesting that everyone will fight Sasuke, but to have some sort of role to play into Naruto's fight with Sasuke.

[Slextrem]

@Paptala: What episode is that in your signature?

[Paptala]

No, that's exactly the direction you are supposed to go, you even note how another character brings up Minato having Kushina, and remember Kushina reveals that how Hashirama won against Madara was with Mito Uzumaki by his side. Had Hashirama tried to go against Madara alone he might not have survived. Look at what happened to Tobirama and Hiruzen when they fought alone.... From what Tsunade hinted it sounds like Hashirama died when he chose to fight an opponent alone.... Thus a big clue that in the end Naruto will not fight Sasuke alone in their final battle. Look at the Sanin battle as well, Tsunade and Jiraiya needed each other's strength and will to make Orochimaru give up in defeat. He claimed he wasn't but his actions afterward showed otherwise. Even Sasuke knew what was behind Orochimaru's story he told himself...

Wow, I wasn't even seeing the connection flowing to Mito and Hashirama as well as Tsunade and Jiraiya, but it fits so well! This seems to go back to the lesson Kishi was pointing out way back in the first bell test - "you cannot try and do everything yourself".

@Paptala: What episode is that in your signature?

Its from the fourth movie, Lost Tower, right near the end.

[Gravenimage]

@Paptala: What episode is that in your signature?

It's the new ending of Shippuden I guess you haven't seen the anime in a while the same with me Slex.

EDIT: oops never mind Paptala used to have the new ending as her sig but it's the one from her Avatar yep it's from the fourth movie.

Edited by Gravenimage, 17 July 2012 - 11:02 AM.

[redragon88]

I wonder if someone out there in the world who knows japanese would be willing to buy the Road to Ninja novel when it comes on sale and write a summary of the story when done reading it. I also wonder what will be the key differences of the book and the movie.

Edited by redragon88, 17 July 2012 - 11:16 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I wonder if someone out there in the world who knows japanese would be willing to buy the Road to Ninja novel when it comes on sale and write a summary of the story when done reading it. I also wonder what will be the key differences of the book and the movie.

It will have differences
TRUST ME I HAVE DUBS.

[alexander]

I think this will show up in the next Rock Lee episode, were he tries to direct the road to ninja movie. I got some screenshots. The episode is called road to Guy.

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[redragon88]

^ Normal Hinata ain't got nothing on SD Hinata's stalker abilities.

[Gravenimage]

This shouldn't be on this thread but on the Rock Lee anime thread.

[Rocket]

... what's up with Neji?