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#31081 ns.Believe.It

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:10 PM

Sakura does have an objective. It's her objective that I'm disappointed with. Her objective: protect her teammates / support Naruto.

Why the HELL does she focus on something she cannot gain results from? She focuses her life and energy to protect her teammates. Then she declares that "all I can do is have faith in them".

The good thing is, after she understood that it was meaningless to make that her goal, she changed it.

The bad thing is, she is focusing yet AGAIN on something she has no influence on. Her life is now centered on supporting Naruto, when her influence is as much as just any other Konoha citizen. This my friend, is wasted potential.

She might have surpassed Tsunade in terms of strength, but not so much in terms of character. Tsunade's life focused on decreasing the unnecessary deaths of shinobi because she didn't want anyone else to suffer like her. She focused her life on it and received great results. She brought the one medic in one team system, made the medical curriculum. She changed Konoha. She focused on something and influenced the outcome.

If Sakura wasn't focused on Naruto, she could have focused on surpassing Tsunade in terms of new medical achievements and bring change to Konoha. But no, she's focused on Naruto and rather than gaining a name for herself she's "a cheerleader of Naruto" not "Sakura Haruno who surpassed Tsunade and brought great medical achievements to Konoha". The purpose of her existence is just miserable because you don't see how her "supporting Naruto" goal has changed or influenced him as much as her efforts (or more than anyone else) or anywhere close to Sasuke who isn't even focusing on Naruto. Hence, why I say NS is degrading her character and development.

I don't know if I explained it well. Did you understand what I meant to say?

The comparison you make isn't the best. Tsunade was introduced that way, same as Jiraiya who was mentioned to have a destiny of finding the child of prophecy. All of that story of Tsunade was provided to explain medical ninjas and her role as a Saanin. 

 

About Sakura, 

1) The story is about Naruto. 95% of the plot revolves around him. The best way to include Sakura as part of the plot is having her be Naruto's strongest supporter. 

 

2) Sakura's entire story is not only supporting Naruto. Her medical skills have been brought up a fair few times,

a) Preparing an antidote and curing Kankuro when even Lady Chiyo couldn't.

b) Taking charge of the hospital and curing all the injured people during Pain's invasion.

c) Managing to fool even Kiba and poisoning them( remember Tsunade poisoning Jiraiya in part 1?).

d) Summoning Katsuyu and healing the entire Alliance in the Shinobi World War, Playing an important role in saving Shikamaru.

e) Even after all this chakra draining, still managing to save Naruto when all hope seemed to be lost. (Remember Tsunade and Shizune had completely run out of chakra at that point).

f) Possessing so much chakra that she, all by herself, helped Obito to use Kamui two-three times.

 

3) She is still young. She has already surpassed Tsunade in terms of strength. After this war arc is done, there is a high probability that her medical skills might be touched upon in the story. 


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:12 PM

IMO I think it's just the overall writing of Sakura's character that's "degrading" her, not NS. I can see where people come from with that but it's more the issue of Kishi's writing. He's so focused on the narsas relationship that everything else is secondary, and Sakura is always the hardest hit. He just doesn't seem to know what to do with her (that interview where he was asked about Sakura and he replied with "Sakura, well... well she's slipped my mind" comes to mind), so she's more often than not relegated to the background, throwing in observations and questions every now and then, often only being highlighted for the sake of Team 7. Just my two cents tho.

edit: by NS I mean narusaku, just in case anyone thought i was talking about narusasu.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:38 PM

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:51 PM

Dαrkrєrsŧ: the fact that Naruto is the hero of the story and risk his life for everyone in Konoha doesn't make Sakura less special, because you're losing the emotional background of many scenes that show how special she is to Naruto do you want a example?

the hospital scene in part 1 of the manga where Sakura hugs Sasuke you can see in the face of Naruto the great pain it causes him when he watch that scene, it is obvious that he is deeply in love with her, if she is not special to him and she is only a friend to him that scene makes no sense.

ramenanmitsu: In that aspect you mention about how degraded the role of Sakura as heroine is in NS I think that there's some truth in it, but that's because in this manga women are deeply linked to the romantic aspect, I think it has more to do with the perception of the author, and it's funny because Kishimoto stated in an interview that his grandmother was a very strong and independant woman, but a hero is nothing without love, love is the great source of all battles in this manga, I think Sakura's role as an emotionally vulnerable human being is very consistent in that regard.

Maybe we do not like that women in this manga her life revolves around her love interest, becomes sometimes unbearable  in Hinata, Karin and Sakura but there are important nuances in each that make the difference, and for my Sakura makes difference because that it no matter if she is in love is not blind her or makes her indifferent to the pain of all the other people, Hinata acts only by their feelings and everything disappears, Karin is curious that although care much Sasuke, also will care team but certainly she is more narcissistic to be altruistic, however like the others users above this comment said Sakura heals people in the war, caring for Tsunade, Shikamaru, the girl in front of invoking Pain, care for common ninjas in war regardless of whether they are enemies, these actions speak of a heroine and are not linked to romance, I think Sakura if it shines on its own as heroin, but by her nature and its origin can not separate it from the romance, Kishimoto said it, "Sakura was created as protagonist's love interest "so that's something that we can not disentangle that is the taste of the author.

 
 
 
 

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:53 PM

IMO I think it's just the overall writing of Sakura's character that's "degrading" her, not NS. I can see where people come from with that but it's more the issue of Kishi's writing. He's so focused on the narsas relationship that everything else is secondary, and Sakura is always the hardest hit. He just doesn't seem to know what to do with her (that interview where he was asked about Sakura and he replied with "Sakura, well... well she's slipped my mind" comes to mind), so she's more often than not relegated to the background, throwing in observations and questions every now and then, often only being highlighted for the sake of Team 7. Just my two cents tho.


I thank Kishi for creating Sakura who is my fav character. But I bet half the users on this site can write better development for female characters than Kishi.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:11 PM

Yeah, i don't ;__; Are you frech?

 

Nah, just had some French classes lol. 


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:17 PM

I thank Kishi for creating Sakura who is my fav character. But I bet half the users on this site can write better development for female characters than Kishi.

Yeah right! This is just bs. You really think its that easy to write a 800+ chapter story without any flaws and being able to please every one who reads it? Its pretty darn easy to sit and criticize the flaws, anybody can.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:26 PM

Yeah right! This is just bs. You really think its that easy to write a 800+ chapter story without any flaws and being able to please every one who reads it? Its pretty darn easy to sit and criticize the flaws, anybody can.

 

But I think he's a bit right o.O


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:26 PM

Yeah right! This is just bs. You really think its that easy to write a 800+ chapter story without any flaws and being able to please every one who reads it? Its pretty darn easy to sit and criticize the flaws, anybody can.

Of course there will be flaws, nothing is perfect. Criticizing is easy? Well I'll be damned. I didn't know that. 

 

By the way, this isn't a 800+ story. Just thought I'd point that out for you.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:32 PM

@JILLNYN do you have a source for Kishi specifically creating Sakura to be the protagonist's love interest? Because I've only seen Kishi say that he decided he needed a heroine, and created Sakura.

I thank Kishi for creating Sakura who is my fav character. But I bet half the users on this site can write better development for female characters than Kishi.

Yes! Thank you, this is exactly how I feel.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:36 PM

Of course there will be flaws, nothing is perfect. Criticizing is easy? Well I'll be damned. I didn't know that. 

 

By the way, this isn't a 800+ story. Just thought I'd point that out for you.

Well, I am guilty of criticizing bromance too but lets face it, everybody hates that particular part of his story writing. But I just can't agree with your statement that more than half of the fans here could write better than Kishi. Are you by any chance a writer? If you were, you wouldn't be saying that. Writing is not that easy. Anyway, I do think Sakura has been decently written. Its not that bad as you are trying to make it out to be.

 

Whoops, I was supposed to write 700+  :sweat:


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:47 PM

Well, I am guilty of criticizing bromance too but lets face it, everybody hates that particular part of his story writing. But I just can't agree with your statement that more than half of the fans here could write better than Kishi. Are you by any chance a writer? If you were, you wouldn't be saying that. Writing is not that easy. Anyway, I do think Sakura has been decently written. Its not that bad as you are trying to make it out to be.

 

Whoops, I was supposed to write 700+  :sweat:

No, I am not writer. I said half the users can write better development for the female characters, not a better story. And it's nice that you think Sakura has been written decently. But I said female 'characters', which means more than one female.

 

I believe that half the users wouldn't have Hinata this obsessed with Naruto and no thoughts whatsoever about leading her clan. I believe that half the users wouldn't have Karin pathetically and easily accept such a lackluster apology from Sasuke, and then proceed to snuggle up to him. This is all after he just attempted to rid her of her life.

 

But this is just my opinion. 


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:57 PM

Actually Kishi is terrible when it comes to female characters.Even Kaguya...As a villain she didn't do much.She is the origin of chakra,she is the strongest female in the series but what she did is opening/closing dimensions and using bones jutsu.Kishi just writes female character poorly.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 05:07 PM

Hiraishin the interview is very old, I will investigate

 

 

I think that Sakura as heroin Kishimoto has lacked in give her consistency , have more scenes and not make a scene in that she looks powerful and strong and the other as a damsel in distress, or in the next chapter her support becomes irrelevant by another character, I think he has failed to make her heroism constant.

Emotionally I think he has done a very good job with Sakura, the emotional complexity of her character is awesome I think is the best I've seen in a shounen manga, it is very realistic, has been engaging and interesting drama, I acknowledge that Kishimoto has been very good in this aspect of it, he said that loves her complexity and emotional vulnerability and I think alike.

Sakura character intrigues me more now that Madara xD


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 05:16 PM

I may not care about NS as I used to. But honestly, the only time I actually enjoy NS is when it comes from Ladygt.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 05:16 PM

Why do I even bother trying to defend Kishi in this website..? I've tried and failed so many times. Very few who think like me in this case  :hm:

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 05:17 PM

No, I am not writer. I said half the users can write better development for the female characters, not a better story. And it's nice that you think Sakura has been written decently. But I said female 'characters', which means more than one female.
 
I believe that half the users wouldn't have Hinata this obsessed with Naruto and no thoughts whatsoever about leading her clan. I believe that half the users wouldn't have Karin pathetically and easily accept such a lackluster apology from Sasuke, and then proceed to snuggle up to him. This is all after he just attempted to rid her of her life.
 
But this is just my opinion. 

lol I would have made Karin kick Sasuke in the balls and then forgive him. I would have made Hinata finally lose it and attempt to fight Naruto for not noticing her lol. I would do a lot of crazy kitten, oh and Sakura-Chan regarding Sasuke??? Let's just say it will be the equivalent of Supergirl getting mad at Batman lol. And I would make Naruto tighten up and starting getting his girl.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 05:25 PM

I may not care about NS as I used to. But honestly, the only time I actually enjoy NS is when it comes from Ladygt.

Her drawing is beyond amazing.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 05:26 PM

I may not care about NS as I used to. But honestly, the only time I actually enjoy NS is when it comes from Ladygt.

You don't care for other fanart?

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 05:31 PM

You don't care for other fanart?

I absolutely love other fanart. It's just ladygt is my fav  :wub:


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