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[Awes9]

*explodes*

Salut `a tous.

 

That's all the french i know.

 

Pero puedo hablarte en español y hacer que sufras por los siglos de los siglos. Amén.

Ok...

And why would you want to make me suffer for centuries ? Am I missing something ?

[narusaku256]

Probably you and I. That's not more "realistic", it's the reality for us. I think people like Naruto really exists and they have their own doubts. Even Naruto doubted of Sasuke,...and Obito ruined it. Naruto was chasing him because Sasuke was "a blank sheet of paper" like Itachi said. He wasn't bad, Sasuke was obsessed. Naruto doubt of him, ONLY when he believes Sasuke joined Akatsuki. If we follow that line, it could be ended like Madara/Hashirama. Hashirama talked to him even in the last moment, but he didn't let Madara damage the village.
I just read xxRomanceGirlxx's post and i'll quote her here. "Naruto's philosophy is not revenge, it's forgiveness and breaking the hate cycle. So there's also that to consider." That's what happened with Nagato, and he didn't just attempt to kill Jiraiya, he did it.
 
 
I thought the point was to prove why the promise still matters to him. 
 
 
When i was a kid, i wanted attention, like everyone else. But as I grow, it didn't matter to me anymore. I'm like that. And i know a few people that understands the feeling. I'm detatched. What i can't understand is doing the otherwise. It's ridiculous for me to think about it and it frustates me. I will only feel like that after a couple of specific reasons. And i won't make so much noise. I'd just go away and forget it. Detatchment + naturally positive = Well, so what!
My point right here is. If a person doesn't feel like one situation is affecting them, then, no one can say the otherwise, because they know how they process information. (Different thing is when something is HURTING them and they don't know it, wich i can't understand how this could even happen, or if they know it but refuses to do something about it. But if they know, and they decided to understand, then it just can't affect in anything.)
 
Now, we can't assume how someone must feel if they didn't talk about it in a negative way. Sakura knows that Naruto even after doubting of Sasuke decided to reach him. Why? She doesn't know, but she knows Naruto knows something that she doesn't. After attempting to kill Sasuke ignoring the fact there's a reason why Naruto still has hope, she finally understands and decide to put faith in Naruto. And Sasuke. I already said why having "faith" in them is the best decision for her.
 
Sakura is showed as someone that trust Naruto and understands his reasons, so, i don't really think she's being affected. Other thing is, we, as an audience, notice how obsessed Naruto is. How this takes the whole manga and it's put in the first place. This may overshadow NS relationship in our eyes. But just because there is a color that shines more(Sasuke-Naruto) due to the lighting (Sasuke falling into darkness) doesn't make the other color (Sakura-Naruto) less shiny. The lighting has the effect to seem like it, but it doesn't change the fact that it really doesn't.
 
I have problems, you know. Like right there ^ when my example failed. Hahaha.
 
 
 
 
I gave you reasons why i think it's really unlikely to think Orochimaru has Kushina's DNA just because that phrase he used. 

Oooohhh I got it now XD. Well its just a theory afterall. It can be right as well as wrong, right? XDD. But, whatever the theory is, I do wish Kushina gets a shot with Naruto and Sakura especially!

[JILLNYN]

 

Ok...

And why would you want to make me suffer for centuries ? Am I missing something ?

 

No I think she said that because learning to speak and write in Spanish is difficult for their spelling, syntax and variety of terms ....although French is equally complex.

 

 

It's just ... things like Naruto once saying Sasuke acknowledged him more than anyone. How readily he forgave him for nearly killing Sakura ... it's beside the point if he would've forgiven him anyway, he didn't even care too much Sakura got killed by him. Naruto was pissed, but that was gone so fast you can't help but feel it was because it was Sasuke.

 

xxRomanceGirlxx I understand that very well and can be misinterpreted because it is logical, but I think what you mentioned  before is key, is not because Sasuke is more important or more loved than Sakura, Naruto is the child of prophecy must end cycle of hatred and forgive, this is why Naruto forgive Nagato by the death of his master or do you mean that Naruto loves more Nagato than Jiraiya?, Naruto forgive that because he understand him and see more deeply he has compassion and empathy are the nature as protagonist and as the child of prophecy, forgiveness is inherent in him and forgive whatever because there will never be peace if he fuels hatred

[Awes9]

 

No I think she said that because learning to speak and write in Spanish is difficult for their spelling, syntax and variety of terms ....although French is equally complex.

 

 

xxRomanceGirlxx I understand that very well and can be misinterpreted because it is logical, but I think what you mentioned  before is key, is not because Sasuke is more important or more loved than Sakura, Naruto is the child of prophecy must end cycle of hatred and forgive, this is why Naruto forgive Nagato by the death of his master or do you mean that Naruto loves more Nagato than Jiraiya?, Naruto forgive that because he understand him and see more deeply he has compassion and empathy are the nature as protagonist and as the child of prophecy, forgiveness is inherent in him and forgive whatever because there will never be peace if he fuels hatred

I think she tought I was talking to her when I was answering Naruko's post, my fault for not quoting Naruko. Either way doesn't really matter.

Edited by Awes9, 03 September 2014 - 05:11 AM.

[DarkRadeon]

Do you guys think we will we get a new chapter tomorrow?

[rocci]

There are two important relationship for naruto.
Narusasu & NS.
Narusasu become more important because sasuke dangerous situation & naru vs sasu as the last battle of this manga.
Sakura always safe.

[Naruko]

Oui. Mademoiselle. Au revoir.

 

Parlez-vous français? Au moins aussi bien que l'anglais? 

 

EDIT: Jamais l'esprit, je viens de voir que vous avez dit ne pas parler.

Edited by Naruko, 03 September 2014 - 09:17 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

Probably you and I. That's not more "realistic", it's the reality for us. I think people like Naruto really exists and they have their own doubts. Even Naruto doubted of Sasuke,...and Obito ruined it. Naruto was chasing him because Sasuke was "a blank sheet of paper" like Itachi said. He wasn't bad, Sasuke was obsessed. Naruto doubt of him, ONLY when he believes Sasuke joined Akatsuki. If we follow that line, it could be ended like Madara/Hashirama. Hashirama talked to him even in the last moment, but he didn't let Madara damage the village.
I just read xxRomanceGirlxx's post and i'll quote her here. "Naruto's philosophy is not revenge, it's forgiveness and breaking the hate cycle. So there's also that to consider." That's what happened with Nagato, and he didn't just attempt to kill Jiraiya, he did it.

Yeah, that was my wrong usage of vocabulary. Thanks for pointing that out.

I know Naruto's philosophy but I don't understand it, nor do I relate to it. Reading this thread, this seems to be happening to other people as well. I really don't know what to say anymore. "I" think he prioritizes one thing over another to a sickening degree. You might disagree with me, but what can I say to that? I cannot change why I think that way from hearing your experience or thoughts because I didn't experience it nor think it. Likewise, you'll feel the same for me talking my experience to you.

And I don't really understand what you're trying to say in the latter part. Sorry, it may be because I'm tired from work.
 
 

I thought the point was to prove why the promise still matters to him. 

And you tried to prove it by trying to tell me that he cares for Sakura. To which I replied "as much as the others"=nothing special.
 
 

When i was a kid, i wanted attention, like everyone else. But as I grow, it didn't matter to me anymore. I'm like that. And i know a few people that understands the feeling. I'm detatched. What i can't understand is doing the otherwise. It's ridiculous for me to think about it and it frustates me. I will only feel like that after a couple of specific reasons. And i won't make so much noise. I'd just go away and forget it. Detatchment + naturally positive = Well, so what!
My point right here is. If a person doesn't feel like one situation is affecting them, then, no one can say the otherwise, because they know how they process information. (Different thing is when something is HURTING them and they don't know it, wich i can't understand how this could even happen, or if they know it but refuses to do something about it. But if they know, and they decided to understand, then it just can't affect in anything.)
 
Now, we can't assume how someone must feel if they didn't talk about it in a negative way. Sakura knows that Naruto even after doubting of Sasuke decided to reach him. Why? She doesn't know, but she knows Naruto knows something that she doesn't. After attempting to kill Sasuke ignoring the fact there's a reason why Naruto still has hope, she finally understands and decide to put faith in Naruto. And Sasuke. I already said why having "faith" in them is the best decision for her.
 
Sakura is showed as someone that trust Naruto and understands his reasons, so, i don't really think she's being affected. Other thing is, we, as an audience, notice how obsessed Naruto is. How this takes the whole manga and it's put in the first place. This may overshadow NS relationship in our eyes. But just because there is a color that shines more(Sasuke-Naruto) due to the lighting (Sasuke falling into darkness) doesn't make the other color (Sakura-Naruto) less shiny. The lighting has the effect to seem like it, but it doesn't change the fact that it really doesn't.

Sorry, maybe it's because I'm tired from work. I'm not really sure I get what you mean here.

Are you saying that, if Sakura is not affected everyone else should be satisfied?

Hinata is not affected and she's perfectly content in stalking Naruto around instead of getting her own life. Her fans have every right to be disappointed in that don't they?

So I will be disappointed regardless of whether Sakura is affected or not.

Or did I misunderstand your post?

I have problems, you know. Like right there ^ when my example failed. Hahaha. 

But you have no problems writing! And you pointed out my misuse of words do kudos to you

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 03 September 2014 - 10:54 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Where did Naruto actually put effort for the pairing to move foward?

Idk, maybe when he shoved his happiness aside and put her happiness above his, even if it made him miserable.

A promise where holds no significance.
 

He didn't accept her fake confession because it wasn't right to. She had unresolved issues lingering with him and Sasuke, and he didn't like the fact that she lied to herself about not caring about Sasuke anymore. Is it really to much to ask that he wanted a completely honest relationship from that point? It's conceivable to think that had they move forward at that point, that Naruto might have had insecurity issues in that relationship regarding Sasuke, especially since he knew she wasn't being entirely sincere regarding Sasuke.

He wasnt meant to accept nor i implied he should have accepted a fake confession but he needed to speak with her for her to stop feelings trash and putting her always looking down at herself not only cheering up her when it's something regarded to Sasuke or she's sad because of him or team 7.
 

Regardless of what you think, Sakura is one of the few people that he elevates over his friends, considering the lengths he goes to make her happy at the expense of his health and his own happiness.

Sorry never see him elevating her above his friends, i must been reading the wrong manga.
"Considering the lengths to maker her happy at the expense of his health and his own happiness"
He put his own health and happiness at risk to protect his friends, Naruto is capable of doing anything for his friends, Sakura is not special.
Naruto put his own health at risk to save Gaara, his other friends nearly died on part 1 for him.
 

As for the Naruto not going after Sakura, he loves her. That is clear. He doesn't "pursue" her outside of asking her on dates because he wants her to choose him, not go out with him because of what he has done for her. He wants her to choose him and acknowledge him because she loves him, and he her, not because the schoolgirl crush hasn't worked out. Naruto has done nothing wrong in pursuit of Sakura.

No it's not clear, it's just stated he loves her and deal with it.
He distanced from her and his "romantic" approachs are always done in comedic moments.
 

This whole "Sakura is a prize" thing is an absurd argument that doesn't even belong anywhere near the NS pairing. Why? Because Naruto has never, ever, thought of Sakura as a prize. If he doesn't think of her as a prize, then that line of thought is totally irrelevant.

Yes she is, because he didnt put effort in that relationship, he doenst moved it forward, he never did anything for her on a romantic level.
He never treated her like his love interest she will either jump on his arms on an open ending.
He doesnt need to do anything really because other people had done that for him, Sai confessed for him, Yamato challenged Sakura earlier, the random lover ninja said that Sasuke wasnt a good guy an etc...

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 September 2014 - 10:45 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

 
But I guess what I meant by my last post was focusing on the positive effect on Sakura. Naruto makes her happy, supports her, and gives Sakura determination as well as molding her into a selfless individual. The SS ship makes Sakura miserable and repressed in her own personality which is not good for a relationship. I weigh how it effects Sakura's feelings better for her.

Thanks for replying! I have nothing to disagree on your other parts of the post. Instead you gave me some new insight.

I'll just reply about the quoted paragraph. Now don't mistake me, I agree that Naruto makes her happy. I agree with you in terms of "how she feels". My post was based on "how her character is treated". From that standpoint, I refused to say that SS is the ONLY pairing that degrades her character.

Btw, Hinata and Karin are other examples where they are happy being in love with Naruto/Sasuke but are treated poorly caused by romantic purposes and hence the "pairing is degrading their character".

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 03 September 2014 - 11:22 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Thanks for replying! I have nothing to disagree on your other parts of the post. Instead you gave me some new insight.

I'll just reply about the quoted paragraph. Now don't mistake me, I agree that Naruto makes her happy. I agree with you in terms of "how she feels". My post was based on "how her character treated". From that standpoint, I refused to say that SS is the ONLY pairing that degrades her character.

Hinata and Karin are other examples where they are happy being in love with Naruto/Sasuke but are treated poorly and hence the "pairing is degrading their character".

I feel that it's more likely the fact Sakura doesnt have an objective, she's treated as a main heroine but only in name she act as a side character.
Even if you remove NS she will still be bland, however when it comes to NS i think it's the opposite, her lack of personal development and her satellite behavior towards Naruto and Team 7 is what degrades the pairing and her character.

[ramenanmitsu]

I feel that it's more likely the fact Sakura doesnt have an objective, she's treated as a main heroine but only in name she act as a side character.
Even if you remove NS she will still be bland, however when it comes to NS i think it's the opposite, her lack of personal development and her satellite behavior towards Naruto and Team 7 is what degrades the pairing and her character.

Sakura does have an objective. It's her objective that I'm disappointed with. Her objective: protect her teammates / support Naruto.

Why the HELL does she focus on something she cannot gain results from? She focuses her life and energy to protect her teammates. Then she declares that "all I can do is have faith in them".

The good thing is, after she understood that it was meaningless to make that her goal, she changed it.

The bad thing is, she is focusing yet AGAIN on something she has no influence on. Her life is now centered on supporting Naruto, when her influence is as much as just any other Konoha citizen. This my friend, is wasted potential.

She might have surpassed Tsunade in terms of strength, but not so much in terms of character. Tsunade's life focused on decreasing the unnecessary deaths of shinobi because she didn't want anyone else to suffer like her. She focused her life on it and received great results. She brought the one medic in one team system, made the medical curriculum. She changed Konoha. She focused on something and influenced the outcome.

If Sakura wasn't focused on Naruto, she could have focused on surpassing Tsunade in terms of new medical achievements and bring change to Konoha. But no, she's focused on Naruto and rather than gaining a name for herself she's "a cheerleader of Naruto" not "Sakura Haruno who surpassed Tsunade and brought great medical achievements to Konoha". The purpose of her existence is just miserable because you don't see how her "supporting Naruto" goal has changed or influenced him as much as her efforts (or more than anyone else) or anywhere close to Sasuke who isn't even focusing on Naruto. Hence, why I say NS is degrading her character and development.

I don't know if I explained it well. Did you understand what I meant to say?

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 03 September 2014 - 11:54 AM.

[Anthony]

reddit pls

 

Edited by TeeBee, 03 September 2014 - 11:56 AM.

[Khaleesi]

I think she tought I was talking to her when I was answering Naruko's post, my fault for not quoting Naruko. Either way doesn't really matter.

she? i thought my gender was not telling...hahaha, joke

It was a joke. I knew that wasn't for me. Sorry.

 

 

Parlez-vous français? Au moins aussi bien que l'anglais? 

 

EDIT: Jamais l'esprit, je viens de voir que vous avez dit ne pas parler.

Yeah, i don't ;__; Are you frech?

 

reddit pls

 

Not this kitten again

 

 

 

@Ramenanmitsu

...i remember your full nickname 

i'll reply you later. I just woke up and my head hurts :c

Edited by theunburnt, 03 September 2014 - 12:10 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

@Ramenanmeritsu
...i remember your full nickname 
i'll reply you later. I just woke up and my head hurts :c

Thank you.



.......and you have misspelled it.
My name ends with m-I-t-s-u, not m-e-r-I-t-s-u.
And take your time. I'm drained. I've finished debating for today -.-

[六道仙人]

ramen is our boy-friend

[Khaleesi]

Thank you.



.......and you have misspelled it.
My name ends with m-I-t-s-u, not m-e-r-I-t-s-u.
And take your time. I'm drained. I've finished debating for today -.-

yeah, i realised after writing it >___<

i changed it, i thought you were going to delay more :c

 

 

@六道仙人

Hahahaha xD

 

Edited by theunburnt, 03 September 2014 - 12:21 PM.

[Anthony]

ramen is our boy-friend

stahp, it's girl-friend not girlfriend k?

[Kyaerai]

@theunburnt pfft haha ur sig lollll

[Sakura~]

I feel that it's more likely the fact Sakura doesnt have an objective, she's treated as a main heroine but only in name she act as a side character.Even if you remove NS she will still be bland, however when it comes to NS i think it's the opposite, her lack of personal development and her satellite behavior towards Naruto and Team 7 is what degrades the pairing and her character.

We get it. You hate Sakura with passion. Why are you in a NaruSaku forum? curious.