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#31041 narusaku256

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:52 AM

Okay, again: it's a good theory, i guess. But what if there's an explanation that is more simple.
When someone refers to other person technique as it were from another person, i think it's because it has more impact coming from that one. Example:
- Minato's jutsu, transportation. But it's not his. It's originally from Tobirama.
- Tsunade's Byaguko seal. We don't know if it's originally from Mito. But she had it. 
- Naruto's Kagebunshi. Of course it's not his, but is the one who use it even just for the sake of it.
 
So, we can't take "Kushina's chains" as a hint, i think.

Okay, I do understand what you want to convey in here but....I still did not get your point. Can you please tell me as to how all this connects to Kushina's revival. Again, my apologies for being dumb :sweatdrop:

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:53 AM

 

Idk what. 

About what Minato said to Sakura "take of my son"?

 

The CPR?

Nah



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Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:54 AM

I hope the chapter comes out today. I'm smelling Narusaku.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:54 AM

About what Minato said to Sakura "take of my son"?

 

Nah

 

I don't think Sakura will bring it back. Maybe Minato but not Sakura... 


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:05 AM

Ewww NaruSasu, it's almost as bad as SS.
I still don't get what makes Sasuke so special and worthy of such devotion that everyone in the manga is asslicking him even when Sasuke has proved that he's a terrible person. Sasuke’s ass must be really tasty.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:23 AM

NaruSasu is really ruining NaruSaku and the other main pairings which don't exist (sasusaku and naruhina).

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:29 AM

Ah yes NaruSasu :th_yeah:



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Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:35 AM

Because love intensely your friend in trouble makes love less your love interest?

 

I think Naruto love with the same intensity Sakura and Sasuke, Naruto loves brotherly deeply and loves deeply romantically .

 

When Sasuke was in Konoha and was on the good side, Naruto cared for Sasuke to be recognized by him and cared about Sakura so that they could meet and get closer, none of the two aspects never gave up, and spent them the same time he loves  Sasuke like a brother and he just wanted to compete with him, Naruto loves Sakura and he just wanted to becoming be closer to her and never gave up, when Sakura was in danger  with Gaara  he risk his life and put all their skills to the limit, when Sasuke was under the influence seal and evil began to blind him Naruto risked his life and put all their skills to the limit ...

 

Naruto loves them equally and in different kind of love, but as this manga is shonen and the main theme is friendship, forgiveness and the bond with Sasuke clouds the perception that Sasuke is first and not, Naruto loves them both equally, that is my opinion


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:39 AM

NaruSasu has ruined everything in this manga, the plot, the characters, the romance subplot...
Everything NaruSasu touches turn to kitten.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:46 AM

NaruSasu has ruined everything in this manga, the plot, the characters, the romance subplot...
Everything NaruSasu touches turn to kitten.

 

Weather we like or not, the plot is bromance, friendship. So no, it didn't ruin the plot. I also don't believe it ruined NS. NH ruined itself and also SS. I find this bromance wearing, but we have to admit that it was the author's intention from the start. If you think everything NaruSasu touches is kitten, you think the manga is kitten, so I don't really know what are you doing here. Sorry. 


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:48 AM

I find it funny how NH/SS fans claim they know more than us



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Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:51 AM

I did. But as I said, there's a limit. If that person hurts your other important person in a terrible way, realistically speaking, you'll get furious and you lose all thoughts of helping that person anymore.

Probably you and I. That's not more "realistic", it's the reality for us. I think people like Naruto really exists and they have their own doubts. Even Naruto doubted of Sasuke,...and Obito ruined it. Naruto was chasing him because Sasuke was "a blank sheet of paper" like Itachi said. He wasn't bad, Sasuke was obsessed. Naruto doubt of him, ONLY when he believes Sasuke joined Akatsuki. If we follow that line, it could be ended like Madara/Hashirama. Hashirama talked to him even in the last moment, but he didn't let Madara damage the village.

I just read xxRomanceGirlxx's post and i'll quote her here. "Naruto's philosophy is not revenge, it's forgiveness and breaking the hate cycle. So there's also that to consider." That's what happened with Nagato, and he didn't just attempt to kill Jiraiya, he did it.

 

 

 

 The thing is, Naruto will feel sad if it were someone else. So there's nothing special about this.

 

I thought the point was to prove why the promise still matters to him. 

 

 

 

Really? I think people who won't feel negative about this exists only in mere theory or in the bible. Maybe there are people like that. But since I've never seen one it sounds too unrealistic for me to understand.

 

When i was a kid, i wanted attention, like everyone else. But as I grow, it didn't matter to me anymore. I'm like that. And i know a few people that understands the feeling. I'm detatched. What i can't understand is doing the otherwise. It's ridiculous for me to think about it and it frustates me. I will only feel like that after a couple of specific reasons. And i won't make so much noise. I'd just go away and forget it. Detatchment + naturally positive = Well, so what!

 

 

Sorry, I don't really understand your example of ex-bf/gf thing.

My point right here is. If a person doesn't feel like one situation is affecting them, then, no one can say the otherwise, because they know how they process information. (Different thing is when something is HURTING them and they don't know it, wich i can't understand how this could even happen, or if they know it but refuses to do something about it. But if they know, and they decided to understand, then it just can't affect in anything.)

 

Now, we can't assume how someone must feel if they didn't talk about it in a negative way. Sakura knows that Naruto even after doubting of Sasuke decided to reach him. Why? She doesn't know, but she knows Naruto knows something that she doesn't. After attempting to kill Sasuke ignoring the fact there's a reason why Naruto still has hope, she finally understands and decide to put faith in Naruto. And Sasuke. I already said why having "faith" in them is the best decision for her.

 

Sakura is showed as someone that trust Naruto and understands his reasons, so, i don't really think she's being affected. Other thing is, we, as an audience, notice how obsessed Naruto is. How this takes the whole manga and it's put in the first place. This may overshadow NS relationship in our eyes. But just because there is a color that shines more(Sasuke-Naruto) due to the lighting (Sasuke falling into darkness) doesn't make the other color (Sakura-Naruto) less shiny. The lighting has the effect to seem like it, but it doesn't change the fact that it really doesn't.

 

 

 

It's amazing you can speak that WELL from just learning through the internet!

I have problems, you know. Like right there ^ when my example failed. Hahaha.

 

 

 

Okay, I do understand what you want to convey in here but....I still did not get your point. Can you please tell me as to how all this connects to Kushina's revival. Again, my apologies for being dumb :sweatdrop:

 

I gave you reasons why i think it's really unlikely to think Orochimaru has Kushina's DNA just because that phrase he used. 


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:59 AM

Yes it did, the NaruSasu development is just awful and forced down our throat whether it makes sense or not.

Yes certainly the manga has turned to kitten some time ago but there was a time it was an enjoyable read but thats ok if you still like it, to each his own.

Edited by Awes9, 03 September 2014 - 04:00 AM.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:00 AM

Oui. Mademoiselle. Au revoir.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:07 AM

Pas besoin de dire au revoir si on ne dit pas Bonjour d'abord.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:08 AM

NaruSasu has ruined everything in this manga, the plot, the characters, the romance subplot...
Everything NaruSasu touches turn to kitten.

Lots of panels and chapters wasted because Naruto was chasing Uchiha booty. Sasuke should have been redeemed years ago and NS should have been canon years ago. It's like you leave your unfinished food out long enough and it becomes stale. That's how this manga, the pairing, and the relationship between Naru/Sasu has become to me. It's all stale.

 

I can't wait for it all to end.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:13 AM

Pas besoin de dire au revoir si on ne dit pas Bonjour d'abord.

*explodes*

Salut `a tous.

 

That's all the french i know.

 

Pero puedo hablarte en español y hacer que sufras por los siglos de los siglos. Amén.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:23 AM

Lots of panels and chapters wasted because Naruto was chasing Uchiha booty. Sasuke should have been redeemed years ago and NS should have been canon years ago. It's like you leave your unfinished food out long enough and it becomes stale. That's how this manga, the pairing, and the relationship between Naru/Sasu has become to me. It's all stale.
 
I can't wait for it all to end.

Sad but realistic.
You know what would have been great too, Naruto accepting that Sasuke has made his own choices instead of trying to save him from himself only for Sasuke to redeem himself at the end.
If at least there was a valid basis for Naruto’s obsession, the best we got was a smile from afar when they were children, that's not relatable nor endearing that's just plain stupid.
Good news is that we are getting close to the end.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:30 AM

Sad but realistic.
You know what would have been great too, Naruto accepting that Sasuke has made his own choices instead of trying to save him from himself only for Sasuke to redeem himself at the end.
If at least there was a valid basis for Naruto’s obsession, the best we got was a smile from afar when they were children, that's not relatable nor endearing that's just plain stupid.
Good news is that we are getting close to the end.

Lets hope Trollmoto doesn't become a total jackass for continuing NaruSasu and/or making naruhina and sasusaku happen. The only romantic pairing exists to me is NaruSaku.  



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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:34 AM

I don't like to say that Sasuke is more important to him than Sakura ... I'm sure Naruto wouldn't like to say that either. And I do think it's important to remember that Naruto's desire to save Sasuke goes past their friendship. After the Pain Arc, factors like forgiveness and breaking the cycle of hate became a motivator. Naruto says this himself with the Raikage. There's also Team 7 together, Sasuke was the only one in "moral" danger so it makes sense why he focuses on him more. Obviously. It's not just Sasuke.

 

It's just ... things like Naruto once saying Sasuke acknowledged him more than anyone. How readily he forgave him for nearly killing Sakura ... it's beside the point if he would've forgiven him anyway, he didn't even care too much Sakura got killed by him. Naruto was pissed, but that was gone so fast you can't help but feel it was because it was Sasuke.

 

To be honest I'm not entirely sure if Naruto cares more about Sasuke than Sakura. It just feels like he does and for all we know that might just be because of Kishi's bad portrayal of shoving everything aside in favor of bromance. So it's just really iffy. :unsure:


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