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[Liu bie]

I'm sorry, I apologize to the discussion, I just need a little comfort are hard times of Sakura bashing

 

I also want Minato said something fun and had touching comment, but it's not likely to happen, Kishimoto do something else ...

I certainly wish been wrong

 Un argarron no hace mal al year.

[Luna]

I've recently gotten into my psychic powers. I'm a seer. I can see the future. NS will have a moment in the next two chapters. I said it so it shall come to be. Believe in my words.

Edited by Baka chan, 02 September 2014 - 11:21 PM.

[FireFox]

Part 1 :
Naruto -> sakura, max out in poal and when he reassure her again in hospital.

Part 2 :
Sakura -> naruto, max out in land of iron.

In war arc, NS take back seat and will resolute in the end of this arc(just like usual).
Sakura is safe(for now), when she get hurt, naruto will make his move.

You don't give up easily do you  .

[elmas]

I've recently gotten into my psychic powers. I'm a seer. I can see the future. NS will have a moment in the next two chapters. I said it so it shall come to be. Believe in my words.

Lol.I trust in you!    

[FireFox]

Am I the only one that thinks that its unfair that Naruto had more time to spend and interact with his father in person not only as a ghost but Kushina didn't ? Really its so unfair  after what Kushina has been trough We need some Edo Kushina I don't care how it happens .    

[rocci]

You don't give up easily do you  .

Oh yeah ^^

Sasuke is not safe for almost the entire part of part 2, perhaps war arc is the exception.
Hinata get recognition when she got hurt.
Naruto cry for garra when he is in dangerous situation.
Naruto sad when he saw sakura sad.

You will get naruto concern when you are in danger.
That's why we got so much naruto > sasuke in part 2. Aside from the naru vs sasu is the last battle in this manga.

[Luna]

@NarutoFireFox I think you need to take a good look at EVERY female in this series. All have been treated bad with the exception of Konan tbqh.  This is a male dominated manga. Even Kaguya paled in comparison to Madara and Pein for that matter.

[FireFox]

Oh yeah ^^

Sasuke is not safe for almost the entire part of part 2, perhaps war arc is the exception.
Hinata get recognition when she got hurt.
Naruto cry for garra when he is in dangerous situation.
Naruto sad when he saw sakura sad.

You will get naruto concern when you are in danger.
That's why we got so much naruto > sasuke in part 2. Aside from the naru vs sasu is the last battle in this manga.

Well I do think that Kishimoto is bring some closure to some scenes from P1 in this war it did happen many times there were also some references to some scenes from P1 so I do wonder if we will get something like in the Naruto vs Gaara fight  its not out of the realm that's for sure . 

[luffyq1]

@NarutoFireFox I think you need to take a good look at EVERY female in this series. All have been treated bad with the exception of Konan tbqh.  This is a male dominated manga. Even Kaguya paled in comparison to Madara and Pein for that matter.

Are you saying Konan had better treatment because of the fight she had with Obito?

[FireFox]

@NarutoFireFox I think you need to take a good look at EVERY female in this series. All have been treated bad with the exception of Konan tbqh.  This is a male dominated manga. Even Kaguya paled in comparison to Madara and Pein for that matter.

Hey we can always hope its just a headcanon of mine   And don't get me wrong I'm aware of that , though it is annoying how women as strong as Kushina and Mito weren't resurrected in the first place  considering that they were the Kyuubi's Jinchuriki and Uzumaki's  but I can always hope heh! Maybe Oro will pull some twist who knows  .

[Luna]

Are you saying Konan had better treatment because of the fight she had with Obito?

I'm saying she had better treatment by dying and not being ruined by kishi's sexist writing.

Edited by Baka chan, 02 September 2014 - 11:53 PM.

[luffyq1]

I'm saying she had better treatment by dying and not being ruined by kishi's sexist writing.

oh ok lol.

[ramenanmitsu]

I understand now o: But my principal question was if you were there when that happens wouldn't you think you could do something? Like, "maybe...if only i would have talked to him/her when he/she was hesitating between light and darkness" , i mean feeling kind of guilty.
Naruto is egocentric. If he believes he has part of the fault, he will be obsessed, because he can't stand failing. Giving him excuses (when Obito talked to him) only makes his obsession worse. 
3 things affect him when we talk about this:
- Own pride
- He can't stand a friend falling into darkness in front of his eyes. If he can do something, and he feels he can, he will do it.
- The pain that Sakura receives 

I did. But as I said, there's a limit. If that person hurts your other important person in a terrible way, realistically speaking, you'll get furious and you lose all thoughts of helping that person anymore.
 

As I said, i agree when you say the promise is not priority anymore, but neither is that doesn't matter. You can see everytime Sakura is sad for something Sasuke is doing, Naruto sees her with a face of pain too. He suffers when she suffers for Sasuke. The priority has change. Yes. But the priority of the reason why Sasuke needs to be saved. It doesn't dismiss the importance of the promise, it's only that this other reason has scale. It's not the same.

The thing is, Naruto will feel sad if it were someone else. So there's nothing special about this.
 

Uhmmm, i don't know if here i can be objective or if this is being objetive... If i were in that kind of situation, being the "good brother", i wouldn't feel bad, i wouldn't feel dismissed. I would understand. Why does that person needs more attention? Oh, I understand. If i can do something i would do it, i don't want him to think i forgot him. 
Feeling dismissed for that makes me feel weak and clingy. I understand reasons and give space. I understand that their love for me is not lower.

Really? I think people who won't feel negative about this exists only in mere theory or in the bible. Maybe there are people like that. But since I've never seen one it sounds too unrealistic for me to understand.

There could be a couple of reason for why would i think their love is lower, but if they are how Naruto is for Sakura, i would never think that. 
If Sakura doesn't feel Naruto is doing that to her, I don't think i can say Naruto is really doing it. Because is something like this:
Imagine, i have a boyfriend/girlfriend and he/she is talking to his/her ex, they look happy and are doing jokes and all. I should feel jealous? 
Someone get closer to me and whisper something that could make me feel bad about that situation. And ask me if i'm going to do something about it, talk to him, etc.
No. I don't feel that as a threat. And if he cheats me, it ends there. I don't feel that as a threat because "i trust him", but because there is not logical reason. There are different types of bonds between people. Being jealous for that is overeacting for me.

Sorry, I don't really understand your example of ex-bf/gf thing.
 
 

I wanted to do it, but...i'm not an english speaker, i learned watching people write on internet... last year, lmao. So, it would be kind of hard, because there is a lot of information and my vocabulary is limited.

It's amazing you can speak that WELL from just learning through the internet!

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 03 September 2014 - 12:16 AM.

[narusaku256]

It's a very good theory.

Thanks you very mcuh

[Naruko]

@naruko
Don't stress yourself and no need to feel pressured! Any time is okay ;)

 

I actually like debating with you, I'll reply you soon. 

[BlazingDynamo]

So any chances on Sakura talking to Naruto about you know what?

[Naruko]

So any chances on Sakura talking to Naruto about you know what?

 

Idk what. 

[Swagkura]

So any chances on Sakura talking to Naruto about you know what?

The CPR?

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

@ramemnanmitsu:

 

I missed a really good discussion about the NaruSasu bromance vs. NaruSaku that you brought up and I'm sorry it took me so long to respond

 

There's not much on your reasoning for not liking NS anymore I can disagree with. Sadly Naruto's bond with Sakura doesn't compete with Sasuke. I've stated it before and even made a thread about this once. I love the NaruSaku interactions and their support for each other, but Naruto is very much about Sasuke more than anything while Sakura is ironically the one focusing more on Naruto than Naruto ever does with her.

 

Naruto does love her, but the NaruSasu bond has overshadowed everything countless times even to the point it doesn't call for it. It's very sad that as a NS shipper I can't say Sakura is the most important in the world to him when with Sakura I can ironically say Naruto's that to her easy. And I'm not joking.

 

However, even if Sasuke is most important, there are some factors we should consider. One of the reasons Naruto focuses so much on Sasuke is because he's the one "in trouble". Sasuke went down a bad path, abandoned Team 7, and for Naruto, no matter who it is, takes this very hard. Sakura has never done this before and never will so it's debatable to say if Naruto's reaction to that will be so much weaker than with Sasuke. IMO, I think Naruto would almost be as equally persistent.

 

But the problem is this doesn't make Sakura special. I can safely say in my opinion Naruto will act like this for any of his friends, regardless of whether or not he's in love with them, so it's not that much of a big deal from an objective standpoint. At most, Team 7 has a special place in his heart that would exceed regular friends a bit, but not that special. She's just lumped together in a group.

 

The fact that Naruto forgave Sasuke's attempt on Sakura's life so easily with just one line and glare before giving this huge speech kissing his ass a moment later stands out. I'll admit that does go to show Sasuke means more to him. But I also think Naruto would forgive anyone who tried to kill her, even if not so readily just because it was Sasuke. Naruto's philosophy is not revenge, it's forgiveness and breaking the hate cycle. So there's also that to consider.

 

But I guess what I meant by my last post was focusing on the positive effect on Sakura. Naruto makes her happy, supports her, and gives Sakura determination as well as molding her into a selfless individual. The SS ship makes Sakura miserable and repressed in her own personality which is not good for a relationship. I weigh how it effects Sakura's feelings better for her.

 

IMO, the issue is more with Naruto's characterization. Naruto treats Sakura special in some ways---she's the only girl he calls "-chan", he's a little bit more protective of her when she does get hurt in comparison to others, she's probably the only person that he's most patient with when annoyed at him---but Sasuke gets all the dramatic stuff like dying together, "acknowledged me more than anyone else", and that he makes him strong.

 

I think you're exaggerating why Naruto puts Sasuke on a pedestal when there are other factors for it, but I can't say that's much of a consolation. The truth of the NS ship is the most important person for Naruto is Sasuke and the most important person for Sakura is Naruto ... and there's just something wrong with that.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 03 September 2014 - 02:49 AM.

[Uzumaki9000]

@ramemnanmitsu:
 
I missed a really good discussion about the NaruSasu bromance vs. NaruSaku that you brought up and I'm sorry it took me so long to respond
 
There's not much on your reasoning for not liking NS anymore I can disagree with. Sadly Naruto's bond with Sakura doesn't compete with Sasuke. I've stated it before and even made a thread about this once. I love the NaruSaku interactions and their support for each other, but Naruto is very much about Sasuke more than anything while Sakura is ironically the one focusing more on Naruto than Naruto ever does with her.
 
Naruto does love her, but the NaruSasu bond has overshadowed everything countless times even to the point it doesn't call for it. It's very sad that as a NS shipper I can't say Sakura is the most important in the world to him when with Sakura I can ironically say Naruto's that to her easy. And I'm not joking.
 
However, even if Sasuke is most important, there are some factors we should consider. One of the reasons Naruto focuses so much on Sasuke is because he's the one "in trouble". Sasuke went down a bad path, abandoned Team 7, and for Naruto, no matter who it is, takes this very hard. Sakura has never done this before and never will so it's debatable to say if Naruto's reaction to that will be so much weaker than with Sasuke. IMO, I think Naruto would almost be as equally persistent.
 
But the problem is this doesn't make Sakura special. I can safely say in my opinion Naruto will act like this for any of his friends, regardless of whether or not he's in love with them, so it's not that much of a big deal from an objective standpoint. At most, Team 7 has a special place in his heart that would exceed regular friends a bit, but not that special. She's just lumped together in a group.
 
The fact that Naruto forgave Sasuke's attempt on Sakura's life so easily with just one line and glare before giving this huge speech kissing his ass a moment later stands out. I'll admit that does go to show Sasuke means more to him. But I also think Naruto would forgive anyone who tried to kill her, even if not so readily just because it was Sasuke. Naruto's philosophy is not revenge, it's forgiveness and breaking the hate cycle. So there's also that to consider.
 
But I guess what I meant by my last post was focusing on the positive effect on Sakura. Naruto makes her happy, supports her, and gives Sakura determination as well as molding her into a selfless individual. The SS ship makes Sakura miserable and repressed in her own personality which is not good for a relationship. I weigh how it effects Sakura's feelings better for her.
 
IMO, the issue is more with Naruto's characterization. Naruto treats Sakura special in some ways---she's the only girl he calls "-chan", he's a little bit more protective of her when she does get hurt in comparison to others, she's probably the only person that he's most patient with when annoyed at him---but Sasuke gets all the dramatic stuff like dying together, "acknowledged me more than anyone else", and that he makes him strong.
 
I think you're exaggerating why Naruto puts Sasuke on a pedestal when there are other factors for it, but I can't say that's much of a consolation. The truth of the NS ship is the most important person for Naruto is Sasuke and the most important person for Sakura is Naruto ... and there's just something wrong with that.

Bromance. Bromance everywhere.