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[TouKen4Life3g]

When I think about Karin and Sasuke I can't help but think about Uchiha+Uzumaki

That's like supporting factor of them and how percentage of chance of happening increased a lot. All we have to wait now is the confrontation between them

@redragon88: I agree with you. Sakura saw herself as a horrible person. Remember that chapter with Sai telling her that Naruto loves her so much, that he's willing not to tell her until his promises are complete, yet it hurts him a lot along the way. Sakura wants to take care of Naruto for herself because she believed that she was a horrible person and didn't want Naruto to get hurt anymore for her sake, hence "The fool is in love with me" and shows determination to fix the mistake. I do like when Sai told Naruto that she is willing to kill Sasuke for his sake, and make Naruto hate her for the rest of his life, because again, she believed that she's horrible, and to redeem herself for Naruto, she is willing to risk her close friendship with Naruto in order to free him from misery. That's why that confession was really well-done because of the drama between them felt so much emotions and passion was put in as it took Kishi 2 chapters, let alone ended in a cliffhanger with "I hate people who lied to themselves." Kishi is using this couple as a serious couple with a strong bond. It's no wonder he done the same in the movie.

[redragon88]

hmmm...I always love your theory

I saw it as that Sakura felt it was her duty to kill Sasuke because 1.)she loves him 2.) she wanted to protect Naruto. She thought her love for Sasuke was strong enough to go through with the act of killing him. But in the end she couldn't. Her love wasn't strong enough to give her the final resolve to kill him(=save him). Sai said, "Because she loves him, she wants to save him from darkness even if it means to kill him." In other words Sai's words could be turned around like this: because she didn't love him enough she couldn't kill him, even if it means that he could be saved from darkness.

That's what I thought....I don't know if my theory clashes with yours or goes along with yours

Let's call it an addition to my own explanation.

In the end what I wanted to communicate was that Sai's argument with Naruto wasn't about her motivations to kill Sasuke, it was about how Sai believes that Sakura possesses the kind of love that makes you kill your loved one when they become corrupt while Naruto believes that Sakura's love is the type that prevents you from killing a loved one no matter how evil they become.

Still, even if Sakura is mentally prepared to kill Sasuke, she wouldn't do it without a powerful reason. That reason was her desire to protect Naruto.

@NaruSaku4Life3g: Sometimes I believe that Sakura might consider herself a little unworthy of Naruto because of all that has happened, especially with her "The fool's in love with me". It could probably be addressed the next time they talk normally. We'll have to wait and see.

Edited by redragon88, 03 August 2012 - 06:21 PM.

[kidNinja]

@NaruSaku4Life3g: Sometimes I believe that Sakura might consider herself a little unworthy of Naruto because of all that has happened, especially with her "The fool's in love with me". It could probably be addressed the next time they talk normally. We'll have to wait and see.

The anime version of that line: "Naruto's crazy enough to like someone like me." also seems to point to that.

[Traci]

Based on NH fics I've accidentally come across -because NH authors rarely even state that their fic is NH or ends with NH, but usually at some random point in the story, they blast it suddenly- the fics are rarely labeled Naruto and Hinata as the main characters. For example, I had started reading a fic about Minato suddenly arriving in the past/coming back to life or something like that, and drama was to ensue because Naruto didn't take the news so well. -in the fic, he didn't know that that was his father until he came back to life-. So instead of focusing on the relationship with his son, Minato started participating in little plots to get Hinata with Naruto because "they were so cute together" I was so annoyed that I even made a thread about it: http://www.narusaku....showtopic=12016

From my experience, NH fans can't write a convincing romance. Many NH fics make the romance sudden, unnatural, and random within stories that aren't even focused on Naruto and Hinata. *like the example above*

I don't really read straight out SS fics, but something I have noticed is some SS fics start off with SS and end with NS. Also, SS is the kind of pairing that can fit into many... "worlds" (Highschool, IRL, supernatural, ninjas of course, etc). SS is bound to be full of drama, there is a lot to write about if someone really wanted to. I also noticed that when there is an SS fic, it often doesn't even occur within any plot line, the story is usually always focused on SS rather than trying to fit it into the canon plot. Or if it is in the canon plot, they skip over Sasuke's redemption and go straight into romance. -not always the case of course, there's also ones with Sakura being a major reason for Sasuke return- SS is more easily written since Sakura and Sasuke's personalities are more known and... 'strong'

NH doesn't really have that edge due to Hinata's reserved personality, which is why some NH people can't write it very well I think. They have to OOC often if they want to make it interesting. They often put it into plot lines where Hinata shouldn't even be involved so that they can make their own romantic build up and make NH more plausible in their minds. Also, NH fics usually always have a severe lack of Sakura. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are good NH fics out there, but the ones I've stumbled across are usually terrible. -Though there are some with very subtle NH that I don't mind, as long as they aren't stuffing it in my face-

As for NS, well, we are in the minority on the internet, so it's no surprise there are less of them. And NS kinda does the same thing as NH by writing the pairing into a plot line that isn't necessarily focused of Naruto and Sakura's relationship. The difference is that said romance within other plots are usually slow, just like in the manga. XD A lot of NS fics also contain SS in them and turn into NS at the end. Also, I have noticed that if I randomly start reading some NS fic, it is more likely to be well written compared to some random NH fic that I accidentally come across. -of course, that might just be my luck-
SS and NS intertwine a lot in fanfiction. NH is always out alone I feel (not always, but rarely do the other pairings other than SS surface).

Well, I blabbed on a lot. I... hope what I was trying to say is clear.

Agreed. I hate it whenever I try to read a good Minato/Kushina/Naruto (family) fanfic and I see Minato or Kushina trying to hitch Naruto together with a girl when they should be developing their relationship with each other. I despise it even if it's NaruSaku, because that's not what I want to read when I read a Naruto's family fic. Besides, Minato doesn't seem like the type of person to play matchmaker, anyway. As for Kushina, perhaps, but I digress.

As for NH fanfics being terrible, I wouldn't really know because I don't read them.

[Don-kun]

hmmm...I always love your theory

I saw it as that Sakura felt it was her duty to kill Sasuke because 1.)she loves him 2.) she wanted to protect Naruto. She thought her love for Sasuke was strong enough to go through with the act of killing him. But in the end she couldn't. Her love wasn't strong enough to give her the final resolve to kill him(=save him). Sai said, "Because she loves him, she wants to save him from darkness even if it means to kill him." In other words Sai's words could be turned around like this: because she didn't love him enough she couldn't kill him, even if it means that he could be saved from darkness.

That's what I thought....I don't know if my theory clashes with yours or goes along with yours

Nice post I like it, this will now join my signature collection.

[4000TMNT]

Every time that SasuSaku is bring up in the story, it always been a plot device(Save Sasuke Arc & Team 7 Reunion). Sakura's love for Sasuke always started a big Naruto & Sasuke meeting or sometimes to show Naruto's jealousy. NaruHina is the same thing (Naruto VS Neji & Pain Arc), it is always used to start a plot device. NaruSaku always comes up after the event is over or just randomly show up in a chapter(ex: ch 343).

[TouKen4Life3g]

I really like what you guys are stating. I really can't wait for the reunion for them. It's clear that Kishi is serious with their bonds. People often thinks it's not important, but I disagree because since the beginning, Naruto and Sakura's relationships have been growing and now, they're in the step of possible romantic relationship since they already reach to close friendship level. I'm happy that Kishi didn't forget.

I think it's already clear that Sakura saw herself unworthy for Naruto's love, because of what she believed. Interesting to see that the anime even acknowledge it that way. Funny, she needs to remember that her strong feelings is what really matters for Naruto, and yes, I am referring to Yamato's statement.

[Traci]

Every time that SasuSaku is bring up in the story, it always been a plot device(Save Sasuke Arc & Team 7 Reunion). Sakura's love for Sasuke always started a big Naruto & Sasuke meeting or sometimes to show Naruto's jealousy. NaruHina is the same thing (Naruto VS Neji & Pain Arc), it is always used to start a plot device. NaruSaku always comes up after the event is over or just randomly show up in a chapter(ex: ch 343).

Definition of Plot Device:

"A plot device is an object or character [I guess a pairing can qualify, too] in the story whose purpose is purely to drive the Plot or resolve situations. It could be something everybody wants to obtain, a device that must be destroyed, or an annoying teenager who must be protected at all costs."

Can Sakura getting hurt by the four-tails (that's how many tails it was, right?) be seen as a plot device to get Naruto to realize that he should learn to control the Kyuubi?

Granted, someone else could have been used for the role of getting hurt, such as Sai, but someone else could have been used to trigger the Kyuubi during the Pain arc. I don't see either as a plot device really, Sakura was the one who got hurt because it was an opportunity to show that she may have feelings past friendship for Naruto. Hinata was the one to trigger the Kyuubi because it was the perfect opportunity to have Hinata confess her love.

Here are some listed examples of plot devices:

In Naruto, Sasuke pulls off a No One Could Survive That by summoning, mind-controlling, and teleporting a massive snake when he's completely out of chakra. Said technique is difficult because of the huge amount of chakra required.

Not to mention he pulled this all off in the time it took for an explosion that would completely level a city to reach him. After the explosion had already started. When it started just a few feet from him. Great Snake Escape, indeed.

Chapter 449: After spending the last thirty chapters wreaking havoc Pain/Nagato pulls a case of Redemption Equals Death and a device that was only shown to be able to repair corpses to bring back ''everyone that he had killed since entering the village.

During his assault on the Kage Summit, Sasuke nearly died from chakra exhaustion, having been spamming the crap out of high level techs with his new Mangekyo Sharingan. And then, out of nowhere, Zetsu, who had previously shown up to alert the Kages to Sasuke's presence and gotten killed for his efforts, reveals that he managed to use a time release jutsu in the split second before the Raikage snapped his neck that sucks all the chakra out of everyone in the room and gives to Sasuke.

Anyone who gets their tailed beast exorcised from them will die ater the extraction, but not an Uzumaki

Itachi is in a situation where he can't win normally... Wait, he has Izanami for some reason which is perfect against Kabuto. ...what?

I don't really see how any SS or NH moment is a plot device.

Edited by Traci, 03 August 2012 - 10:26 PM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I don't read SasuSaku/NaruHina fanfiction. I'd never force myself to get through a NaruHina fic in my life and SasuSaku ... just no. I can't stand either of these pairings so why would I read fanfics about it? I just read summarries(Like for example a SasuSaku fan wrote a fanfic based on Road to Ninja, except they completely omit the "playboy" part )

[KnS]

And here's something I would like to add, remember Naruto's quote of him of being Hokage, and he said he will help change the Hyuga family. They believed that Naruto will do that by marry into the family with Hinata as his bride. Don't they think that will messed certain things up, like keeping traditions of the Byakugan?

Oh, I know. It makes no sense. I can't imagine Naruto choosing something like that, either. I mean, it's literally impossible for me to visualize it.

However, when I go on FanFiction, SasuSaku has 24,000 stories, NaruHina has 8,900 stories, while NaruSaku has 4,300 stories.

I've done my part in adding to that count.

Does this mean SasuSaku is more popular, and just that the NaruHina fans are louder or something? Or does it mean SasuSaku fans are more likely to write romance fanfics? It doesn't really matter anyway, lol, I was just curious.

Honestly, to some degree I think the seeming popularity and inarguable loudness of SS and NH are directly correlated to the fans wanting to to be right about the final outcome. It's as if they believe their enthusiasm will make a difference. The more they reinforce it, and explore those relationships in fan fiction, the more rational and possible they seem to be. I mean, NH and SS live in sexually-charged bliss right there on the page! Why couldn't it happen in the manga, right?

Also, because there is less genuine canon evidence for the development of SS and NH, there is a lot of motivation to make up for it with fan fiction. If Kishimoto isn't going to write it, or even hint at it with any consistency, they'll write it themselves. Perhaps NS lags behind in fan fiction volume because, overall, its fans have more hope in the pairing's future in the manga so there's less need to supplement. I've seen the exact same thing happen in other fandoms.

Just a thought.

SS romance is built to create tension and angst, which are themes a lot of people are attracted to. That could be the reason as to why SS is so popular among some people, since it gives the opportunity imagine the drama between them. On the other hand, NS is meant to be a more natural and realistic development which is meant for stories that aren't romance focused. And since Naruto related fanfics are probably mostly created with romance as its focus point they probably prefer to use SS since it would have more tension, therefore being more appealing to people who love complicated romance stories.

Does it follow, then, that romance-focused NS fics are unnatural and unrealistic?

[redragon88]

Does it follow, then, that romance-focused NS fics are unnatural and unrealistic?

Only if the romance story is focused on angst and drama, I think. NS romance is more cheerful so it would go better if the story has more comedy and heartwarming moments.

[Traci]

I've done my part in adding to that count.

Honestly, to some degree I think the seeming popularity and inarguable loudness of SS and NH are directly correlated to the fans wanting to to be right about the final outcome. It's as if they believe their enthusiasm will make a difference. The more they reinforce it, and explore those relationships in fan fiction, the more rational and possible they seem to be. I mean, NH and SS live in sexually-charged bliss right there on the page! Why couldn't it happen in the manga, right?

Also, because there is less genuine canon evidence for the development of SS and NH, there is a lot of motivation to make up for it with fan fiction. If Kishimoto isn't going to write it, or even hint at it with any consistency, they'll write it themselves. Perhaps NS lags behind in fan fiction volume because, overall, its fans have more hope in the pairing's future in the manga so there's less need to supplement. I've seen the exact same thing happen in other fandoms.

Just a thought.

I know, I read The Big Reveal, Yurei, and A Safe Pair of Hands and I loved them all. If I had to pick a favorite, though, I would pick A Safe Pair of Hands.

Thanks for your opinion. It makes sense that if people are unsatisfied with the romance in the manga, they read fan fiction or write it themselves. That, or they read a shoujo manga.

Only if the romance story is focused on angst and drama, I think. NS romance is more cheerful so it would go better if the story has more comedy and heartwarming moments.

I don't think a NS that is romance-based is automatically unrealistic or unnatural because it's focused on angst and drama, even though NS is not a pairing based on drama. It depends, really. Same for NaruHina.

When it comes to stories, I think NS is a pairing that is realistic and has pretty slow but steady development. I feel that NS has the capability for both drama and fluff.

When I think of NH stories, I honestly just think of fluff, even though I know NH isn't a perfect couple. That's probably because of the way Hinata's character is. Cute, nice, peaceful, and very agreeable, it's hard to think of a character like her being around drama.

As for SS, I always think of very angsty and dramatic stories. IMO, no story with Sasuke acting as he is now can contain fluff without Sasuke being really out of character. Maybe if it's Sasuke acting like his part one self and you make him like Sakura. Who knows? Maybe it could be pulled off?

[alexander]

Only if the romance story is focused on angst and drama, I think. NS romance is more cheerful so it would go better if the story has more comedy and heartwarming moments.

Depends on the occasion. Remember Sakura confession? That scene in particular was pure drama. But then again, generally speaking, their relationship is usually more light hearted.

[redragon88]

Depends on the occasion. Remember Sakura confession? That scene in particular was pure drama. But then again, generally speaking, their relationship is usually more light hearted.

Well, since that confession involved talking about Sasuke it was meant to take a dramatic turn. Her feelings for Sasuke are what puts angst in her relationship with Naruto. But her feelings for Naruto as a separate individual only bring her a lot of joy.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, since that confession involved talking about Sasuke it was meant to take a dramatic turn. Her feelings for Sasuke are what puts angst in her relationship with Naruto. But her feelings for Naruto as a separate individual only bring her a lot of joy.

Pretty much.

Sakura can like Sasuke as a friend once this whole problem finally resolved, but the idea of romance is gone, because even if he turns good, he won't be interested in her. He can still be good and still won't be interested. In part 1, he wasn't interested. The main point of him is that he respects her, but if there's anyone who truly is interested in her, it will be Naruto, and Sasuke probably already know this now, let alone Sai and perhaps Yamato. Sakura already knows Naruto is a highly respectable man with great heart and proves that he will die for her. She already shows tremendous caring for Naruto, she even back him up and yelled at Sasuke. That goes to show you who she supports more. Sure, Sasuke is evil, but she shouldn't react at all if she really cares about Sasuke in the same level.

About the confession, the first chapter is about her wanting Naruto to let go of the promise between them, and how Sakura changed her feelings for Naruto. The second chapter is about her wanting Naruto to care about his own safety, because Sakura already fear for Naruto's life and going after Sasuke is already put him in danger. Sakura keep reinstating that she loves him and wants him to stop chasing Sasuke because he can get himself, which she is right. Naruto's problem is that he always put his life on the line and that scares her. She can't take it anymore, let alone she believed she was the cause of this. Once Naruto said, "I'm still doing this." Sakura goes to drastic plan, which is kill Sasuke, so Naruto can't stop.

The confession is a big drama piece for NaruSaku. Throughout the series, they developed their bonds with each other. By the end of part 1,
she finally understands that Naruto is the one that she can trust the most; therefore, they are now close friends. From part 2 to Pain arc, they only grow closer together and Sakura's feelings was slowly converting into much more than close friends, especially in Sai/Sasuke arc. Slowly, you get pieces of more than friendship from Sakura's pov. In Kage Summit arc, it was time for Kishi to begin developing their friendship into romance. But first, a bumpy road, which is the confession. The whole scene was obvious important scene to read. It was snowing, which often used in romance scene and plays a big scene. It can be good or bad, regardless it's an important scene. Kishi puts a lot of effort into the art and the emotions between them, especially the split panel with Naruto got mad at her. The anime studio even know that they must use a higher budget animator to do this scene, and rightfully so. Sai did the right thing, because Naruto is stuck in the friend zone with Sakura. Sai wants them to develop into a higher level than friends, so he told Sakura about Naruto. He didn't like Naruto holding everything back, including his feelings for Sakura. Why Kishi made Sai think hard about what to do next by remembering Naruto's feelings for Sakura? It is used not only to remind us that Naruto still loves her, but to tell us that Naruto may have no chance of confessing his love for her if he ends up dead.

[Codus N]

On the other hand, NS is meant to be a more natural and realistic development which is meant for stories that aren't romance focused.

If you look at Kishi's most recent interview, it says that one of his favorite movies is '500 Days of Summer'. So, it's no wonder the progression of NS is very much like that.

The anime studio even know that they must use a higher budget animator to do this scene, and rightfully so.

*pfft* if they wanted to do that, they would've made the guy who did episode 82 & the Hinata fest during Pain arc to do that episode. But sadly, he's a Hinata fanboy.

[TouKen4Life3g]

*pfft* if they wanted to do that, they would've made the guy who did episode 82 & the Hinata fest during Pain arc to do that episode. But sadly, he's a Hinata fanboy.

Still, they used one of their better animator to create that episode. You can tell when the mouth movement is very detailed and how they react with the right emotions, like when Naruto was getting mad at her and Sakura was getting worry that he knows it's a lie and seeing him mad worries her. The background felt alive, nice use of soundtrack, etc. In the end, it was still a great work. Imagine if you have a bad animator to do that episode. Just be happy for what we have.

[Dalton.T.R]

CAN ANYONE TRANSLATE THIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

[Heaven on Earth]

I've done my part in adding to that count.


Honestly, to some degree I think the seeming popularity and inarguable loudness of SS and NH are directly correlated to the fans wanting to to be right about the final outcome. It's as if they believe their enthusiasm will make a difference. The more they reinforce it, and explore those relationships in fan fiction, the more rational and possible they seem to be. I mean, NH and SS live in sexually-charged bliss right there on the page! Why couldn't it happen in the manga, right?

Also, because there is less genuine canon evidence for the development of SS and NH, there is a lot of motivation to make up for it with fan fiction. If Kishimoto isn't going to write it, or even hint at it with any consistency, they'll write it themselves. Perhaps NS lags behind in fan fiction volume because, overall, its fans have more hope in the pairing's future in the manga so there's less need to supplement. I've seen the exact same thing happen in other fandoms.

speaking of fanfic, well, today I got seriously annoyed when I found oneshot in NaruSaku section which has a lot of reviews. When I read it, dear God, the author makes Sakura as a crazy Uchiha fans that willing to be sexslave for Naruto who has Hinata as his wife.

Damn, I cant hold my self to report that extreme adult fic.

Well, looks like a bunch NS moments in RtN makes some fans angry n desperately, they made fanfiction and fanart to make themselves happy. Even my friends said that theres a bunch MenmaAUHinata art.

P.s: well, I made a lot of NS fanfic too, almost 40 stories, but, its not english, sadly XDDD

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

If you look at Kishi's most recent interview, it says that one of his favorite movies is '500 Days of Summer'. So, it's no wonder the progression of NS is very much like that.

i request the link for this interview.
2> the movie sucked hard in the same way as twilight i just see one movie that he liked and it was a japanese one, second the NS progression has nothing to do with this movie.
because if it follow this same course i would know that naruto would not get sakura in the end.