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[Bail o' Lies]

Highschool DXD is an... interesting choice.

I'm not kidding NarutoXHighSchool DXD has like 2,900 stories. All I remember about it is that some kid gets a harem of demon girls...I guess people don't relate to the main character enough. So, they put Naruto in the role instead. That generally what happens in Crossover stories with Naruto. Guess there are some hot demon chicks.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 26 May 2023 - 03:18 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

The amount of crossovers probably depend on the main char. I'd say MHA or Demon slayer are among the most popular crossovers featuring Sakura. Also, depends on if you're looking at FF.net or AO3. FF.net's been kind of stagnant over the years but Ao3 is booming. 

[Bail o' Lies]

I checked Naruto sales numbers on Wikipedia still haven't update it since 2020. It is now Number 6 with an average of 3.47 million sold per volume. Remember the final volume sold about 1.2 million, so not even half the average.

 

Now Therece seems to be convinced that the SS views are more important than sales and SS manga had a high view count despite low sales so its fine. Let show why the company would not be happy.

 

Since I do not know the number of views I'm just going to throw out a number and compare customers/viewers between Jurassic Prisons' 50,000 & Naruto's 3,470,000.

 

1 million: 50 thousand/1 million is 5 percent. So one out of every 100 person that read the Sasuke's story online 5 people bought it. While at the same number everyone would have to buy the same Naruto volume almost 4 times.

 

Let's go 4 million next. For Sasuke that's about 1.25% percent, and Naruto 86.75%

 

5 Million. Sasuke has a percent while is still Naruto 69.4%. So at 5 million viewers; 1 person out of a hundred may buy the Sasuke manga after reading it online while still nearly seventy will still be buying a Naruto volume. Should we go higher than this, since this is the last one where Sasuke manga will have a full percent? Boruto would last till Ten million while Naruto would still have at least 34 people still buying the volume.

 

So people do you think the companies are happy with those Sasuke numbers? The companies are not youtubers, they wants sales, not just views.

 

Oh here are the average sales per volume for some of the other WSJ manga

 

Dragon Ball 6.91 million

Demon Slayer 6.52 million

Slam Dunk 5.48 million

One Piece: 4.97 million

Naruto 3.47 million

Jujutsu Kaisen 3.18 million

Spy Family 2.73 million

The Promised Neverland 2.5 million

Hunter x Hunter 2.33 million

My Hero Academia 2.29 million

Bleach 1.75 million

Chainsaw Man 1.71 million

One Punch Man 1.15 million

Haikyu 1.22 million

JoJo .92 million

Gintama .72 million

Food Wars .55 million

Black Clover .529 million

Boruto .210 million

 

Now besides the ones that I italicize all these manga are/were running at the same time Boruto was in Weekly Shounen Jump...well Spy Family was on Jump+. Black Clover has not reach 20 million in sales, it at about 18 million, so I did the math myself. So if Shueisha were to release a manga volume today of each in the list above is what they would be expected to make. If the viewership were 1, 2, 3, 5, 10, or even 100 million this is the amount they expect the viewers will buy; their customer base. Why would they be happy with Boruto's 100,000 and Sasuke's 50,000 when Naruto used to do 3,470,000? Why would they put money into this franchise when other manga blow them out of the water?

 

High views and low sale is more likely to hurt SS than help it.

 

Oh right Kenshin is getting a remake this year. So, Rurouni Kenshin 2.57 million. Remember this already got a live action movie trilogy, several other animated movies, and a sequel.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 28 May 2023 - 04:19 PM.

[Phantom_999]

I'm not kidding NarutoXHighSchool DXD has like 2,900 stories. All I remember about it is that some kid gets a harem of demon girls...I guess people don't relate to the main character enough. So, they put Naruto in the role instead. That generally what happens in Crossover stories with Naruto. Guess there are some hot demon chicks.

 

I believe you. I meant it just as I said. It's an interesting choice.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

 

5 Million. Sasuke has a percent while is still Naruto 69.4%. So at 5 million viewers; 1 person out of a hundred may buy the Sasuke manga after reading it online while still nearly seventy will still be buying a Naruto volume. Should we go higher than this, since this is the last one where Sasuke manga will have a full percent? Boruto would last till Ten million while Naruto would still have at least 34 people still buying the volume.

 

So people do you think the companies are happy with those Sasuke numbers? The companies are not youtubers, they wants sales, not just views.

 

Oh here are the average sales per volume for some of the other WSJ manga

 

Sasuke fans aren't necessarily (Or rather USUALLY) Sakura fans--so weird shoujo-bent manga's and side novels aren't going to sell to that demographic either. The only thing that Dinosaur spinoff sold to was hardcore Sasusaku fans and they're not THAT big of a consumer pool and why buy it when you can pirate it 

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Question... how did you imagine a NaruSaku family be like?

[milan kyuubi]

Question... how did you imagine a NaruSaku family be like?

I am gonna respond visually!

 

Image

 

NaruSaku family would be happy and full of joy.

[Bail o' Lies]

Question... how did you imagine a NaruSaku family be like?

Well you have to look at four families as reference.

 

SS. Since Sakura raised Sarada on her own it gives you a sense how she would raise her children and how they would turn out whether she is with anyone or not.

 

Kizaishi and Mebuki from what little we seen of them Mebuki is the strict authority figure and sets the rules while Kizaishi just goes along and jokes around. Kishimoto also says they argue a lot.

 

Minato and Kushina again from little we see from the Ninja movie Kushina is the aggressive authority figure who sets the rule, while Minato goes along with as a sort of moderator.

 

And Kishimoto's own family life. His wife had to raise the kids and mange the house as he had to work all the time on Naruto. Of course he portrays his frustrations and guilt with this with nH due to not connecting with that pairing. But I do see if NS happen he would have went more hopeful and optimistic.

 

So, I see NS as Sakura running the household as the authority figure setting the rules while Naruto has to spend a lot of time running the village as Hokage. Naruto while busy I see him trying to make time to be there when he can and help out when he can. Granted, I can't see Sakura letting the situation get as bad as Hinata let it get to by Boruto, and would address the situation if Naruto was neglecting their kids. Arguments/Conflicts happens and they are often resolved, but overall a loving family. The kids are hyper but well behave.

 

Sasuke fans aren't necessarily (Or rather USUALLY) Sakura fans--so weird shoujo-bent manga's and side novels aren't going to sell to that demographic either. The only thing that Dinosaur spinoff sold to was hardcore Sasusaku fans and they're not THAT big of a consumer pool and why buy it when you can pirate it 

Spy Family is on Jump+ and it has a 2.73 million average sale. Companies want people to buy their product or else they wouldn't make them. So any company would want a high view to sales ratio; out of the 100 people that watched it 100 people bought it. The higher the ratio the more willing they are to promote it as hopefully, it will make more money if seen by more people. The lower the ratio the less amount of money they would want to spend, as they have clearly already hit the max amount of people that would buy the product.

 

The highest ratio the SS manga has, is that it is half the Boruto customer base. Which would only be fine if they were happy with Boruto, but they are not. The higher the views it had online the less happy they would be as it means a lower ratio of customers.

 

Boruto has at least sold 4 million and it has 19 volumes which is 210,526 average per volume. And remember everyone, Boruto actually had relatively high sales at the beginning before it declined to around 100,000 for the past few volumes. So that average will go down more and more with each volume release and the companies know this.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 02 June 2023 - 05:37 AM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

The shelf life of Burrito is probably based on how much panel/screen time the original cast gets or could possibly get. 

Now that Naruto is "dead" It's reduced its relevance even more.

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 29 May 2023 - 03:42 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

The shelf life of Burrito is probably based on how much panel/screen time the original cast gets or could possibly get. 

Now that Naruto is "dead" It's reduced its relevance even more.

It current selling points are Sasuke still around as Boruto's mentor and main ally, rescuing Naruto, and the big twist they did at the end where they swap Boruto's and Nail's position. The reviewer Youtube keep recommending to me really like hyping up that last one.

 

I see this Hiatus as the executives raking him over the coals about how unimpressed they are with Boruto and they are not extending his contract. From what I understand mangaka may be working under contract such as, "they will product X amount of volumes for Y series for Z amount of money." At the moment, I suspect Ikemoto contract has him at 30 volumes. He is at... 20 right now. So 10 more volumes and 40 more chapters to write his actual story that he has been in theory building up for 80 chapters. They probably giving him these four months to layout his story so it will be done in the chapter limit; so no one can say outright, they unjustly cancelled Boruto.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 29 May 2023 - 05:12 PM.

[catsi563]

Well you have to look at four families as reference.

 

SS. Since Sakura raised Sarada on her own it gives you a sense how she would raise her children and how they would turn out whether she is with anyone or not.

 

Kizaishi and Mebuki from what little we seen of them Mebuki is the strict authority figure and sets the rules while Kizaishi just goes along and jokes around. Kishimoto also says they argue a lot.

 

Minato and Kushina again from little we see from the Ninja movie Kushina is the aggressive authority figure who sets the rule, while Minato goes along with as a sort of moderator.

 

And Kishimoto's own family life. His wife had to raise the kids and mange the house as he had to work all the time on Naruto. Of course he portrays his frustrations and guilt with this with nH due to not connecting with that pairing. But I do see if NS happen he would have went more hopeful and optimistic.

 

So, I see NS as Sakura running the household as the authority figure setting the rules while Naruto has to spend a lot of time running the village as Hokage. Naruto while busy I see him trying to make time a be there when he can and help out when he can. Granted I can't see Sakura letting the situation get as bad as Hinata let it get to by Boruto, and would address the situation if Naruto was neglecting their kids. Arguments/Conflicts happens and they are often resolved, but overall a loving family. The kids are hyper but well behave.

 

 

 let me add a bit to this i see the NS family as full of love and affection and very playful until its time to be serious than the gloves come off so to speak, Also the kids would be pranksters but not as a need to seek attention but a need to prove themselves,  Awww but mom dad once painted the 5 faces of hokage monument we had to one up him with all 7que exapserated sigh and nostalgic smile

Edited by catsi563, 29 May 2023 - 06:09 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

It current selling points are Sasuke still around as Boruto's mentor and main ally, rescuing Naruto, and the big twist they did at the end where they swap Boruto's and Nail's position. The reviewer Youtube keep recommending to me really like hyping up that last one.

 

I see this Hiatus as the executives raking him over the coals about how unimpressed they are with Boruto and they are not extending his contract. From what I understand mangaka may be working under contract such as, "they will product X amount of volumes for Y series for Z amount of money." At the moment, I suspect Ikemoto contract has him at 30 volumes. He is at... 20 right now. So 10 more volumes and 40 more chapters to write his actual story that he has been in theory building up for 80 chapters. They probably giving him these four months to layout his story so it will be done in the chapter limit; so no one can say outright, they unjustly cancelled Boruto.

Maybe they'll kill Sasuke off like they did Jiraiya   

Jk, I don't think Ikemoto is that good of a writer and he didn't even have the balls to kill Naruto fer realzies.  At least Kishimoto knew how pull at the heartstrings and get you invested in a character before offing them. 

Either way I think its clear that Burrito's not long for this world--except for maybe the anime which will likely outlive it thanks to filler but Naruto as a franchise is a lame horse. 

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 29 May 2023 - 09:03 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Maybe they'll kill Sasuke off like they did Jiraiya   

Jk, I don't think Ikemoto is that good of a writer and he didn't even have the balls to kill Naruto fer realizes.  At least Kishimoto knew how pull at the heartstrings and get you invested in a character before offing them. 

Either way I think its clear that Burrito's not long for this world--except for maybe the anime which will likely outlive it thanks to filler but Naruto as a franchise is a lame horse. 

I doubt it. They back off killing Naruto when his death was foreshadow from the first pages. Kodaichi might have been the one that wanted to do it. Since he been gone, they completely back away from killing Naruto. As the only time they get a boost is when Naruto is doing something. Sasuke despite supposedly being weaker than Naruto is still presented as more capable than Naruto from what I have seen in this manga. He at least treated as strong enough to help Boruto train and assist him in a fight. While Naruto has been treated as completely useless dead weight once Kurama died. I feel if they could risk Naruto's death they would have done it, but I never felt that with Sasuke in this manga.

 

Throughout this entire manga I have never seen a signature or iconic moment in this story (that comes from Ikemoto.) Ideally, a writer would want their entire story to stick into their readers mind, but that is obviously difficult. So most mainly aim to make the important scenes memorable. I find these moment are especially important to manga as they draw in readers that they need to make sure their manga doesn't get cancelled early.

 

Here are few series and what I consider their iconic moments see how many you agree with:   

 

Dragon Ball: First meeting of Goku and Bulma, first meeting of the Turtle Hermit, first Kamehame wave, first summoning of Shenron, Goku turning into the Great Ape, meeting Krillin & his deaths, Demon King Piccolo killing Shenron, Goku's fight with both Piccolo, Goku's two sacrificial deaths, Gohan's rage, Goku and Vegeta stances before they fight, first Super Saiyan transformations, transformations in general, fusion, Gohan's fight with Cell, Majin Vegeta blowing up the tournament ground, Vegeta's sacrificial death, Videl fight with Spopovich...if for nothing else people never stop complaining about this one, Mr Satan become friends with Majin Buu, and the final spirit bomb

 

Rurouni Kenshin: Kenshin first meeting with Kaoru, his reveal of being the battousai, decision to stay in the dojo, his fight against Udo and his awakening of the man slayer, the death of his first wife tomoe, his fight with Shishio, and the death of the Oniwaban against the gatling gun.

 

MHA: "Fear Not Citizen! Hope Has Arrived! For I AM HERE!" "Young Man, You too can become a hero." "Eat This." "I just couldn't stand by and watch you die." Izuku's first smash, Izuku's and Bakugo's first and second fight. izuku's fight with Shouto especially once he activate his flames, the fight with Stain, Bakugo's abduction and rescue, All Might's fight with All For One, "Your next," Sir Nighteye's final prediction, Mirio's fight with Overhaul, "Watch me" & Endeavor's fight with the high end, Dabi's reveal, Shigaraki using the full power of his decay quirk, Mirko's fight with the high end nomus, Class 1-A capture of Deku and the chastisement of the civilians taking refuge at the school, and Bakugo's death.

 

Akane-Banashi: Akane's introduction, Tohru's final performance and expulsion, Tohru deciding Akane's name, Akane's rendition of Jugemu, "you realize you don't belong in this competition," "if applause comes before art then what is its value," and Kaisei second performance.

 

Jujutsu Kaisen: Itadori eating the first finger, Gojo's deal with Yuji, Any domain expansion, Jogo setting a restaurant on fire, Gojo using his curse technique, Yuji and Nanami fight with Mahito, Yuji and Todo fight with Hanami, Yuji and Nobara fight with the curse womb brothers, and Ryomen Sukuna enacting his plans.

 

For Boruto, I can only think of four things if I'm being generous: One the passing the torch rasengan though that was from the movie, two Kurama's death but that only because the anime put in more effort into the scene, and three the switch between Bolt and Nail if I am being generous as people keep hyping it up as a clear sign that part two will be better...wait sorry forgot about this one till it cooled down a bit the open scene the flash forward which apparently was suggested by Kishimoto. Ikemoto is a very lazy dispassionate uninspired mangaka. His manga's slow pace and cyclical nature makes it very forgettable and hard for any scene to stand out or be memorable. If it wasn't for Naruto's legacy, I can't see anything he does ever lasting more than a year.

 

As I see it, all the companies are doing are confirming if its true or not. If yes, be done with it. If not, what can they change that will make Naruto sell anywhere close to where it once was?

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 30 May 2023 - 08:47 PM.

[milan kyuubi]

 let me add a bit to this i see the NS family as full of love and affection and very playful until its time to be serious than the gloves come off so to speak, Also the kids would be pranksters but not as a need to seek attention but a need to prove themselves,  Awww but mom dad once painted the 5 faces of hokage monument we had to one up him with all 7que exapserated sigh and nostalgic smile

 

I wrote a short oneshoot of how I imagine the second part of last chapter would be when they show the characters in the future. I focused only on NaruSaku family.

 

 

 

 

Naruto sat at his desk, stacks of paperwork piled high in front of him. His office was adorned with various mementos and pictures of his family, bringing a warm smile to his face as he worked. The sun streamed through the window, casting a gentle glow over the room.

 

With a sigh, Naruto reached for his quill, ready to tackle the tedious task at hand. But just as he was about to dip it in ink. A grin played on his lips as an idea formed in his mind. "Shadow clones," he thought. "I can use them to finish this paperwork in no time and spend some quality time with my family."

 

With a swift hand seal, Naruto dispersed a couple of clones, each taking a portion of the paperwork with them. He chuckled to himself, imagining Tsunade's exasperated reaction when she found out.

 

As the clones busily worked away, Naruto's thoughts drifted to Sakura, his loving wife. Even after all these years, he still felt that same rush of affection whenever he looked at her. Her vibrant personality and unwavering support had been the foundation of their relationship.

 

His mind then turned to their children. Shinachiku, a lively and spirited young boy, showed immense potential as a shinobi, just like his father. Hanami, their little flower, possessed a gentle nature that melted Naruto's heart. Together, their mischievous pranks brought immense joy and laughter to their family.

 

Naruto wiped away a tear of happiness, grateful for the life he had built. The laughter and love that filled his home were the true rewards of his journey.

 

With the paperwork now taken care of by his clones, Naruto leaned back in his chair, a sense of contentment washing over him. He couldn't wait to join Sakura and their children, ready to create more cherished memories together. Naruto whispered to himself, "I am truly blessed."

 

Naruto's eyes widened in surprise as Iruka burst into his office, gasping for breath. The urgency in his voice was evident as he delivered the news about his children's mischievous escapade.

 

Without uttering a word, Naruto's mind raced, analyzing the situation unfolding on the Hokage mountain. He walked towards the window, his gaze fixated on the painted faces. As he observed Shinachiku and Hanami gleefully splashing paint, a hint of amusement tugged at the corners of Naruto's mouth.

 

But then a critical expression crossed his face, and he realized that they were not defacing the mountain entirely. They were missing a crucial detail. Naruto suppressed a smirk, masking his amusement behind a serious facade.

 

Turning to Iruka, Naruto spoke in a firm tone, determination shining in his eyes. "I appreciate you informing me, Iruka-sensei. I will take care of it."

 

Before Iruka could respond, Naruto swiftly leaped through the window, traversing the village rooftops towards the Hokage mountain. His movements were swift and graceful, reminiscent of his days as a renowned shinobi.

 

As he reached the mountain, Naruto landed with precision, his gaze fixed on his mischievous children. Shinachiku and Hanami paused in their playful endeavors, surprised by their father's sudden arrival.

 

Naruto approached them, his expression a mixture of seriousness and warmth. "Hey, you two," he called out, his voice carrying a stern yet gentle tone. "What do you think you're doing?"

 

Shinachiku and Hanami exchanged nervous glances, realizing they had been caught in the act. Naruto's eyes softened as he crouched down to their level, a hint of mischief glimmering in his eyes.

 

"You know," Naruto began, a mischievous grin forming on his face, "if you're going to paint the Hokage faces, you have to do it properly. Let me show you how it's done."

 

With a playful wink, Naruto grabbed a paintbrush and joined his children, guiding them to add intricate details and vibrant colors to the faces on the mountain. Together, they transformed the defacement into a beautiful mural, honoring the legacy of the Hokage.

 

Iruka remained in the office, taking a moment to catch his breath and allow his tired muscles to rest. He couldn't help but chuckle at the situation he had just witnessed. Naruto's children, it seemed, had inherited their father's mischievous nature. He fondly remembered the days when Naruto himself was a prankster, causing all sorts of trouble around the village. It was a relief to see that Naruto had outgrown that phase, but now his kids were carrying on the tradition.

 

Lost in his thoughts, Iruka was suddenly interrupted by the presence of an ANBU squad appearing in the office. Their expressions ranged from confusion to amusement as they peered through the window at the Hokage mountain faces. Iruka's curiosity piqued, and he couldn't resist joining them to see what was happening outside.

 

As Iruka approached the window and looked out, his eye twitched in disbelief. There, he saw Naruto not only allowing his kids to continue their pranks but actively helping and teaching them how to improve their artistic mischief on the faces of the Hokage mountain.

 

Not having any other choice, Iruka and the ANBU squad made their way to the hospital in search of someone who could exert control over the mischievous Uzumaki family. They needed someone who could rein in Naruto and their children's playful antics before things got out of hand. They found themselves standing outside a familiar room, and upon entering, Sakura Uzumaki greeted them with an exasperated roll of her eyes.

 

"What did the idiots do now?" Sakura asked with a mixture of annoyance and amusement evident in her voice.

 

Iruka and the ANBU squad exchanged glances, their faces sheepish. "They are defacing the Hokage mountain faces," Iruka confessed, his tone filled with concern.

 

A smile tugged at the corners of Sakura's lips. She knew all too well about her husband's mischievous tendencies and the influence he had on their children. But despite it all, they were her beloved idiots, and she couldn't help but feel a sense of affection for their antics.

 

"Alright, I'll take care of it," Sakura replied with a determined glint in her eyes.

 

With a swift motion and a burst of chakra, Sakura disappeared from the hospital room, leaving Iruka and the ANBU squad in awe of her skill. They knew that when Sakura got involved, things were bound to be resolved swiftly and efficiently.

 

Iruka's footsteps were slow and deliberate as he made his way back to the Hokage's office. There was no rush in his stride, for he needed time to process what he had just witnessed. As he turned his gaze towards the Hokage mountain, his frustration reached its peak. He hadn't anticipated Sakura joining in on the fun.

 

Naruto and Sakura stood amidst the colorful chaos, their laughter filling the air. Paint splatters adorned their clothes and faces, but they couldn't care less. In that moment, they were not the Hokage and a respected medical professional. They were simply Naruto and Sakura, a couple deeply in love.

 

As the paint flew through the air, their eyes met, and a spark of affection passed between them. Their smiles widened, and without a second thought, they leaned in and shared a gentle kiss, sealing their love amidst the vibrant chaos surrounding them.

 

Their children, engrossed in their artistic endeavor, glanced over at their parents, their own mischievous grins mirroring that of Naruto and Sakura. In that moment, the Uzumaki family embraced the joy of being together, cherishing the simple pleasures of laughter and shared experiences.

 

One hour had passed since the chaotic episode on the Hokage mountain. The once vibrant and defaced faces of the previous Hokage were now being meticulously cleaned by the Uzumaki family. Naruto, Sakura, Shinachiku, and Hanami worked diligently, their expressions a mix of frustration and determination.

 

Splattered with paint and armed with brushes and rags, they scrubbed away at the colorful mess they had created.

 

Iruka stood nearby, overseeing the cleanup efforts. His eyes held a smug smirk, a testament to his satisfaction in seeing the Uzumaki family face the consequences of their playful recklessness.

 

Later that evening, the Uzumaki family sat together at their favorite ramen stand, savoring the warmth of their bowls and the comfort of each other's company. Laughter filled the air as Naruto and Sakura shared playful banter, their eyes gleaming with affection and happiness.

 

Shinachiku and Hanami, their faces still flushed with excitement from their earlier escapade, animatedly waved their arms, recounting the events of the day with wide grins. Their youthful energy filled the atmosphere, bringing a sense of joy and vitality to the ramen stand.

 

Sakura lovingly fed Naruto a mouthful of ramen, their eyes locked in a tender gaze. In that moment, the years they had spent together as a couple and as parents seemed to melt away, leaving only the purest connection between them. The hardships they had overcome, the challenges they had faced—it had all led to this moment of contentment and love.

 

As the Uzumaki family savored their ramen and relished in each other's presence, Teuchi, the owner of the ramen stand, closed his eyes for a brief moment. Memories flooded his mind, taking him back to the time when a young, lonely Naruto would sit at the same spot, his heart heavy with sorrow and his face marked by pain.

 

But now, as Teuchi opened his eyes, he beheld a different Naruto—a Naruto surrounded by love, laughter, and a family that brought him immeasurable happiness. It was a testament to Naruto's growth, resilience, and the connections he had forged throughout his journey.

 

A bittersweet smile graced Teuchi's lips as he observed the Uzumaki family, their joy radiating like a beacon. In that moment, he couldn't help but feel a profound sense of pride and fulfillment, knowing that he had played a small part in Naruto's life and witnessed his transformation into a person who had found love and built a family.

Edited by milan kyuubi, 30 May 2023 - 07:48 AM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

I doubt it. They back off killing Naruto when his death was foreshadow from the first pages. Kodaichi might have been the one that wanted to do it. Since he been gone, they completely back away from killing Naruto. As the only time they get a boost is when Naruto is doing something. Sasuke despite supposedly being weaker than Naruto is still presented as more capable than Naruto from what I have seen in this manga. He at least treated as strong enough to help Boruto train and asset him in a fight. While Naruto has been treated as completely useless dead weight once Kurama died. I feel if they could risk Naruto's death they would have done it, but I never felt that with Sasuke in this manga.

 

Throughout this entire manga I have never seen a signature or iconic moment in this story (that comes from Ikemoto.) Ideally, a writer would want their entire story to stick into their readers mind, but that is obviously difficult. So most mainly aim to make the important scenes memorable. I find these moment are especially important to manga as they draw in readers that they need to make sure their manga doesn't get cancelled early.

 

 

For Boruto, I can only think of four things if I'm being generous: One the passing the torch rasengan though that was from the movie, two Kurama's death but that only because the anime put in more effort into the scene, and three the switch between Bolt and Nail if I am being generous as people keep hyping it up as a clear sign that part two will be better...wait sorry forgot about this one till it cooled down a bit the open scene the flash forward which apparently was suggested by Kishimoto. Ikemoto is a very lazy dispassionate uninspired mangaka. His manga's slow pace and cyclical nature makes it very forgettable and hard for any scene to stand out or be memorable. If it wasn't for Naruto's legacy, I can't see anything he does ever lasting more than a year.

 

As I see it, all the companies are doing are confirming if its true or not. If yes, be done with it. If not, what can they change that will make Naruto sell anywhere close to where it once was?

 

Honestly, its really just wishful thinking since I want all these clowns to die (But I know that they won't so  )

Lmao, Naruto's (Mostly the character but also the series.) Continuous fall from grace is funny in the saddest way possible. He went from being the loser to the chosen miracle child to absolutely useless and irrelevant  I feel bad for the fans he still has. 

I don't/haven't watched it so I can't speak to the memorability of any of it but Kurama is an OG character, so killing him off is going to pull at the heartstrings no matter how lackluster the writing might be. That's just a freebie imo. I'll say this much for Ikemoto (If he's even in charge of these designs.) Code looks cool but he's basically a Gaara rip-off so, not exactly original. 

On the subject of memorable animes; Demon Slayer is just 
Kill off your new fav character 5 chapters after they're introduced but you ain't even mad because they went down like a boss. Its a nice, tight story without any wonky curve balls. Really helped me recover from my post Naruto-fatigue. 

[Bail o' Lies]

 

Honestly, its really just wishful thinking since I want all these clowns to die (But I know that they won't so  )

Lmao, Naruto's (Mostly the character but also the series.) Continuous fall from grace is funny in the saddest way possible. He went from being the loser to the chosen miracle child to absolutely useless and irrelevant  I feel bad for the fans he still has. 

I don't/haven't watched it so I can't speak to the memorability of any of it but Kurama is an OG character, so killing him off is going to pull at the heartstrings no matter how lackluster the writing might be. That's just a freebie imo. I'll say this much for Ikemoto (If he's even in charge of these designs.) Code looks cool but he's basically a Gaara rip-off so, not exactly original. 

On the subject of memorable animes; Demon Slayer is just 
Kill off your new fav character 5 chapters after they're introduced but you ain't even mad because they went down like a boss. Its a nice, tight story without any wonky curve balls. Really helped me recover from my post Naruto-fatigue. 

You did not see Kurama's death, I have never seen a death scene with so little emotion. The idea was there, which allowed the anime to do it properly, but in the manga its only memorable as you question how bad it is.

 

The only time Brouto has an ability to attract a large viewership is when Naruto is doing something. He still has fans that want him to be what he should be, but the people writing it are ikemoto and SP.

 

Ikemoto, I have felt took the job because he thought he could just coast off Naruto's legacy and soak up some of the cash he saw Kishimoto was getting from Naruto's success. Of course that could have been possible, even with Ikemoto's different art style, if it wasn't for the ending; which he was a part in convincing Kishimoto to go through with. Instead of Naruto having a happy family, he has a broken family with many issues. Instead of being Hokage and fixing the ninja system he has only been Hokage for a short while; as Kakakshi needed to be Hokage for Hinata's big movie. Sasuke is some random wanderer acting as the second Danzo ready to train Naruto's son as the third Danzo. Sakura while raising her daughter well has clearly been driven insane by her relationship with Sasuke as seen by her thoughts on edo tensei. No ones' dream came true but Hinata's. The new main character is an unlikeable spoiled brat with Daddy issues up the wazoo who was made to be the opposite of Naruto...except when he act exactly like Naruto. That would take effort in handling those issues among others. But, Ikemoto's coasting cost this series any real chance of success. I think the executives have finally have enough especially after the initial hype of the side manga and the poll and told him to put effort into it or else.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 31 May 2023 - 01:42 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

By the way here is my guess on how WSJ treats manga based on volume sales. I wanted to post this before I forget it.

 

50,000-200,000 are what they generally want from a new manga created by rookie mangaka. It is fine if it sell this at first but it needs to rise quickly as its these are the first on the chopping block when they make room for new manga.

 

500,000 are their serialized manga once they hit these numbers they are generally safe from being cancelled as long as they can keep it up. Though if they need to make room they are still in danger of being cancelled. This is also where they are likely to start talking about an anime if not before to see if it can boost sales.

 

1,000,000 are their hit manga they can go on as long as they like as long as sales are good. 

 

2,000,000 are their superstars manga. They bend over backwards and give special privileges to these manga. The higher the sales the more privileges they have.

 

Of course, they all still have to keep their sales around those numbers, if they start to slip. Then word "cancelation" starts coming up more and more.

 

Also WSJ is constantly getting an influx of manga so their standards are higher than some other magazines. 

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 31 May 2023 - 06:33 AM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

You did not see Kurama's death, I have never seen a death scene with so little emotion. The idea was there, which allowed the anime to do it properly, but in the manga its only memorable as you question how bad it is.

 

The only time Brouto has an ability to attract a large viewership is when Naruto is doing something. He still has fans that want him to be what he should be, but the people writing it are ikemoto and SP.

 

Ikemoto, I have felt took the job because he thought he could just coast off Naruto's legacy and soak up some of the cash he saw Kishimoto was getting from Naruto's success. Of course that could have been possible, even with Ikemoto's different art style, if it wasn't for the ending; which he was a part in convincing Kishimoto to go through with. Instead of Naruto having a happy family, he has a broken family with many issues. Instead of being Hokage and fixing the ninja system he has only been Hokage for a short while; as Kakakshi needed to be Hokage for Hinata's big movie. Sasuke is some random wanderer acting as the second Danzo ready to train Naruto's son as the third Danzo. Sakura while raising her daughter well has clearly been driven insane by her relationship with Sasuke as seen by her thoughts on edo tensei. No ones' dream came true but Hinata's. The new main character is an unlikeable spoiled brat with Daddy issues up the wazoo who was made to be the opposite of Naruto...except when he act exactly like Naruto. That would take effort in handling those issues among others. But, Ikemoto's coasting cost this series any real chance of success. I think the executives have finally have enough especially after the initial hype of the side manga and the poll and told him to put effort into it or else.

I guess my expectations were too high   I didn't think Ikemoto could fumble something so easy...maybe I'll at least look at that manga chapter for the lolz (probably not tho.) 

The only one whose taking a "W" from this mess is ironically SP lmao. They've somehow managed to make Boruto better than the source material in a complete reversal of their hatchet job on Naruto. 

Everyone "Wants" the og chars to be better than they are but that's not allowed because the new chars have to be "better" in every way.   (It seems even eastern media isn't immune to this pitfall.) 

No body should be a danzo and it remains weird as kitten that they decided to do that to Sasuke considering what he did. Just let the guy live his hermit life as an asexual Jiraiya-type wanderer. You need a Uchiha just throw in the child of some bastard who no one knew about. For Mangaka they're so uncreative. 


I lol'd. 


 

[milan kyuubi]

I wish to share the imo best fanfic where ending was done justice. I highly recommend this to everyone who has the time to read it.

 

Lifting the Dream by HawkofNavarre

 

Summary: Post chapter 698. Maybe there really was a happy ending after all. [Team 7 centric. NaruSaku]

Rated: Fiction T - English - Friendship/Romance - [Naruto U., Sakura H.] Sasuke U. - Chapters: 4 - Words: 51,509 - Reviews: 128 - Favs: 679 - Follows: 329 - Updated: Jul 1, 2016 - Published: Jul 7, 2015 - Status: Complete - id: 11363687

 

 

And it's been ages since i posted this. i really feel the need to do it again! 

 

 

[Tsuki Hoshino]

To be fair, Obito was pretty cool   

The issue is it came out of Naruto's mouth. That was just nasty.