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[Bail o' Lies]

Final Volume : 1.200.000

Sarada Gaiden sold high as any Naruto previus Volume:  900.000/1.000.000

Boruto the Movie have the biggest box offices of the entire franchise. 

Novels/Spin offs at the time had the biggest sales from any period .

Storm 4 with a Boruto DLC is the most successfully Naruto game.

 

If Kishimoto continued the series and never give the responsibility to his assistant. Probably Naruto never would lose these massive sales.   Based on this logic Kishimoto should had see the  decline 1 year after the ending.  Not 8 years later with Ikemoto...

 

Everybody just blame Ikemoto and the Boruto  story for the franchise decline. Even NH fans recognize how kitten Boruto is and hopes for a reboot. SS fans just ignores Boruto, lives in their novels/Spin Off/Fanarts universe and hates Ikemoto for Sarada's new outfit. Sasuke/Naruto fans hates ikemoto for Sasuke rinnegan  lost and kurama's death. When i saw the first image from Boruto manga with goblin Himawari, snape Sasuke, slut Sarada and deformed characters back at 2016. I knew this sequel was destineted to damage the Naruto franchise.  

 

But let's hope to Kishimoto/Jump/Neutral/SS/NH/Others Characters Fandoms recognize this mathematic and stop with all SS/Sarada/Boruto merch in Japan and makes a part 3 reboot with NS. Then they will magically recover these 90% of NS fans who never are vocal enough in Japan on in the west.

I still think NS was just a pairing fandom who simply moved on after the ending. Not 90% of the original manga sales.

Therece shocking and ground breaking as the revelation I'm about to type by me to you. I hope you can endure and learn from it. The World is not static. Things change. It is not 2014 anymore. Naruto's sales no longer impress the companies anymore to give it a pass.

 

Now onto those nearly a decade old sales figures. I should not have used the minimum because its clear you don't understand it. On average, Naruto sold a minimum of 1 million copies on its first week. But total sales tended to be closer to two million. The Last Volume was surprising because it only sold about 800,000 on its first week; when it should have done better than an average volume. 

 

Salad's gaiden which according to you as a SS story written by Kishimoto should have been the most successful product the Naruto-Boruto ever produce. Only sold about 800,000 total when according to you it should have made sales in the millions.

 

The Boruto movie sold well for its time...but every other movie produce by it rival IPs since then have completely surpassed it.

 

Light Novels biggest sales, compared to what? Compared to other Naruto light novels? There weren't that many before the ending. Compared to themselves they sold well? Well, I guess no one can disagree with that. From what I recall, those post ending light novel were considered decent-average in sales the slowly slipped into poor.

 

The fourth Ninja Storm game was the final of a successful & well received series of games. I know people who don't even like Naruto, that buy those games...for some reason.

 

And if they are so successful? When is the Next Naruto movie? When is the next hit Naruto game, that is not a mobile game?

 

The series has gone into a steady decline since the ending. People tend not to leave a product all at once, unless its apparently Bud Light, but instead in waves as products increasingly unimpressed them. That started happening under kishimoto and it unlikely to change if he came back in full, unless there are serious changes. Not helped but this all happened because he was worn out by people trying to force him to change the pairings to nH/SS that he handed off the series to Ikemoto.

 

The companies are likely getting fed up with Naruto-Boruto poor sales figures, and are looking for causes. To see if they can fix them or just give up on it all together. That's why they did the poll and the two light novel adaptations. Also why Ikemoto was told to speed up part one of Boruto and why its on a four month hiatus. Not sure who far they will go.

[Therece]

Therece shocking and ground breaking as the revelation I'm about to type by me to you. I hope you can endure and learn from it. The World is not static. Things change. It is not 2014 anymore. Naruto's sales no longer impress the companies anymore to give it a pass.

 

 

You are the only one trying to use this type of comparison. So take your own advice

 

This is exactly what i said since my first post..

 

"Most of the Naruto fanbase has moved on in the past 8 years thanks to Boruto trash story and Ikemoto. Releasing a new spinoff now is never gonna give you an accurate indication of how well it would have sold back when Naruto's popularity was still huge"

 

It's not realistic you try to attribute 90% of the Naruto sales to the NS fans and 10% to the current SS/NH fans and still try to compare a spin off sales from 2023 with a main manga volumes sales  from 2014 period.

The current Sakura fandom, the most popular alive character is just 10% of the votes from the current wordwide poll 

 

The overwhelming majority of the Naruto Fandom is composed by non- shippers and others characters fandoms. These type of fan doesn't care about SS/NH or NS.  They just want to see their favorite characters, good story and fights. 

Boruto completely failed to deliver that to everyone and these  fans simply abandoned the series in the past 8 years  and this will hurt any secondary material like novels and spin offs. Spin offs are still side materials destined to specific parts of the Fandom.

 

At this point Boruto manga needs to be canceled and they need to reboot  everything post Boruto the Movie or 699.

Edited by Therece, 16 May 2023 - 06:22 AM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

By now I don't think its possible for Kishimoto to recover this series/franchise. The damage is done, the audience has mostly moved on. Even his Space Samurai Series didn't do so great. Maybe it was because of the concept, maybe it was because he pissed a buttload of people off with Naruto's decreasing quality/kitten ending, probably a bit of both. Plus, his writing is probably only a little bit better than Ikemoto's   

The one thing I will say in Kishimoto's defense is that he NEVER dressed kids like strippers. 

And even if he pulled the ultimate out--his built in reset button and suddenly everything in the war arc and after was the characters trapped in a Nightmarish Infinite Tsukiyomi, he probably wouldn't be able to draw back the massive consumer base he used to. The only reason to do it would be so that he finally got to write the ending he actually wanted. 


But I don't think we'll ever see that so 

[Bail o' Lies]

By now I don't think its possible for Kishimoto to recover this series/franchise. The damage is done, the audience has mostly moved on. Even his Space Samurai Series didn't do so great. Maybe it was because of the concept, maybe it was because he pissed a buttload of people off with Naruto's decreasing quality/kitten ending, probably a bit of both. Plus, his writing is probably only a little bit better than Ikemoto's   

The one thing I will say in Kishimoto's defense is that he NEVER dressed kids like strippers. 

And even if he pulled the ultimate out--his built in reset button and suddenly everything in the war arc and after was the characters trapped in a Nightmarish Infinite Tsukiyomi, he probably wouldn't be able to draw back the massive consumer base he used to. The only reason to do it would be so that he finally got to write the ending he actually wanted. 

But I don't think we'll ever see that so 

The only way to fix it is an all in big gamble, but its increasingly clear that there is no will to do so. They will keep testing and playing it safe that will just eat up time and not amount to anything. At this point if they were smart just cancel that manga and let the anime do whatever. At least the pace would pick up.

 

You are the only one trying to use this type of comparison. So take your own advice

What comparisons? If you mean comparisons from old Naruto manga sells to what nH/SS are selling now, or the nH/SS movies to other anime movies that have been release since. As those are comparison that matters. Its not 2014, anymore Naruto is not the king of international sales for weekly shounen jump, the only manga they had that could really sell internationally. It been replaced by many series in sales due to a boon of streaming has done for anime. Many manga and anime are out selling what Naruto use to make internationally. So unless the nH/SS manga surpasses the decade old sales of Naruto, they are not impressed. As their other series are doing so.

 

"Most of the Naruto fanbase has moved on in the past 8 years thanks to Boruto trash story and Ikemoto. Releasing a new spinoff now is never gonna give you an accurate indication of how well it would have sold back when Naruto's popularity was still huge"

And as I say. While Boruto has not help Naruto-Boruto prevent decline, due to what it is, but it is not the sole cause. It has been in decline since the ending. It was not making a two million average and went down to 100,000 in an instant. It been on the decline since the Last.

 

It's not realistic you try to attribute 90% of the Naruto sales to the NS fans and 10% to the current SS/NH fans and still try to compare a spin off sales from 2023 with a main manga volumes sales  from 2014 period.

The current Sakura fandom, the most popular alive character is just 10% of the votes from the current wordwide poll 

 "90% was NS supporting or might as well be because they suck around when it was the pairing and left when it wasn't." Is what I said. The 'might as well be' is to include the people that were not NS fans. I did not say they were all NS fans. Now going by a 2 million average 95% of the people that used to by Naruto when the pairing of the story was NS, are now longer buying Boruto a spin off manga that happened due to a nH/SS ending. Again these well be something the companies care about because Boruto is making anywhere between 90-99% percent less than Naruto made ten years ago. What company would be happy with that sales performance?!

 

Just because people are fine with NS does not mean that Naruto or Sakura have to be their favorite character.

 

The overwhelming majority of the Naruto Fandom is composed by non- shippers and others characters fandoms. These type of fan doesn't care about SS/NH or NS.  They just want to see their favorite characters, good story and fights. 

Again. I am not attributing all sales to NS fans. Merely that it sold better than when the were the main pairing of the story. Naruto is an action manga not romance manga.

 

Boruto completely failed to deliver that to everyone and these  fans simply abandoned the series in the past 8 years  and this will hurt any secondary material like novels and spin offs. Spin offs are still side materials destined to specific parts of the Fandom.

 

At this point Boruto manga needs to be canceled and they need to reboot  everything post Boruto the Movie or 699.

And I will remind you what I told you months back. "Therece, the companies will not care about technicalities like, its Boruto failing not nH/SS. As Boruto was built off them. At best, if Boruto is done so are they, worse so its the entire Naruto-Boruto franchise. If that poll winner's manga doesn't sell or they don't decided to go back to NS."

 

Even if you want to say otherwise with the SS manga. They gave that pairing a chance to shine and it did half of Boruto numbers. They are not impressed. They wanted to see better, closer to Naruto old numbers, not settle for half the current sales.

 

As for a reset. Yes, but its increasingly clear, they are too reluctant to do that.

[Bail o' Lies]

Right its less hot where I am, so let me explain its not 2014, now that its cooler. Naruto in 2014 was WSJ only real international seller. Nothing else could or would sell as well as Naruto did between 2005-2014 internationally. So what ever it sold, got a pass as they knew, that was the best they were going to get. However, that changed by even 2016 as streaming and problems in western media had revitalized international interest in manga/anime. So newer manga they could only dream about being successful back when Naruto was king of international sales are not only successful internationally; they are beating Naruto's old records.

 

So any new Naruto-Boruto product are not just competing against Naruto's old record. They are competing against the sales of competition Naruto didn't really have during its run. So any new Naruto-Boruto manga that does not at least match Naruto's old numbers does not impress them. As newer manga can and more importantly have repletely done that.

 

Boruto/nH/SS aren't just up against Naruto-NS they are up against: My Hero Academy, Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen, Chainsaw man, One Punch Man, and any other new manga that explodes onto the scene.

 

Not only new manga but old manga that have been revitalize by the streaming boom: One Piece, Dragon Ball Super, Bleach, Rurouni Kenshin, and any other WSJ series they decided to remake an anime for 'modern audiences'...which is not as terrible as when western media use that phrase.  

 

The Boon of streaming also harms any excuse Naruto-Boruto could make about low sales. As everything else is doing better in the same area Naruto used to excel in. Why is it having problem if everything else is succeeding? Why was it successful when nothing else was? Blame Ikemoto doesn't cover it as they just did two side manga without him an neither of them impressed.

 

So SS manga selling 50,000 they are not impressed because many of their new franchises could do better than that.

 

The Boruto anime is the last of the all year long continuous running anime with cheap filler to pad it out. With most of its contemporaries being made more seasonal and just direct adaption with minimal filler have seen huge success. Boruto still has not surpassed Naruto in yearly earnings when its been over for years now. In fact, its highest viewership comes when Naruto is doing something impressive not their main character.

 

The Last and Boruto making $20 & $40 million. They were fine with it at the time, granted a bit disappointed with hopes they could have made more money, but every movie they have produced since then have completely overshadowed it. The Demon Slayer movie made $500 million at the very least. Why can't Naruto-Boruto either done that years ago or today? When it suppose to be this big international seller?

 

Ironically, Road of the Ninja only being a domestic release is probably helping it as it made $18 million. Only $2 million less than the Last. Imagine what it could have made if it was distributed internationally? The companies are likely thinking of that...if any of them are competent.

 

But again, I see what been happening for the last few months as the companies finally getting fed up with Naruto-Boruto and trying to figure out why its not selling, what could make it go back to its glory days, or should they just drop it? Boruto's failures have hopefully convinced them that nH was not what they were promised. Which they probably already realize with The Last. SS has gone likely through similar judgement due to its poor performance. Along with that poll that showed Sakura was the third most popular character internationally despite being stripped of her status of heroine & love interest. Due to claim she was unpopular internationally. That has hopefully been debunked. Now if they were smart they would go back to NS, but that's a big gamble and unless they have someone with a strong will to go through with it. I don't see that happening.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 04 June 2023 - 12:03 AM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

The only way to fix it is an all in big gamble, but its increasingly clear that there is no will to do so. They will keep testing and playing it safe that will just eat up time and not amount to anything. At this point if they were smart just cancel that manga and let the anime do whatever. At least the pace would pick up.

 

Its a desperate gamble and it'd be an obvious ploy. Like I said, if he did it it'd have to be for HIMSELF because there is no guarantee that people would come back for it.

In addition to the pairings and the writing being all wrong, I think another mistake was even bothering to focus on the kids. They wanted to bring in a new generation but all the people who actually buy merch and are invested in the series are basically adults just hoping to get a few glimpses of their favorite OG char. 

On the subject of SS, I'll just say "A golden turd is still a turd." Its somehow more "popular" than NH--because its being carried on the back of Sakura stans, but its still garbage. 

[Therece]

Its a desperate gamble and it'd be an obvious ploy. Like I said, if he did it it'd have to be for HIMSELF because there is no guarantee that people would come back for it.

In addition to the pairings and the writing being all wrong, I think another mistake was even bothering to focus on the kids. They wanted to bring in a new generation but all the people who actually buy merch and are invested in the series are basically adults just hoping to get a few glimpses of their favorite OG char. 

On the subject of SS, I'll just say "A golden turd is still a turd." Its somehow more "popular" than NH--because its being carried on the back of Sakura stans, but its still garbage. 

 

 

Akira Toriyama spent the four arcs building up Gohan and even by the end of the series, he still don't live up to the popularity Vegeta and Goku had. He tried Goten/Trunks and was worse.

30 years laters. They never attempt to completely erase Goku or Vegeta for Gohan or Trunks.

 

In Boruto's cases it's much worse. They made 0% building up for Boruto and Kawaki. Naruto ends, and then they immediately show a fanbase that's attached to the old cast/Clans/Uchihas.

Boruto and Kawaki who are Sasuke/Naruto replacements with some alliens and androids.  They still completely changed the author and artstyle of the series with Ikemoto turning the Boruto manga completely unrecognizable to old Naruto Fans. Who tought this was a good idea?

 

 The results was obvious:  Boruto lost most of the 90% of the consumers.

 

Dragon ball GT only damaged the series during two years and was canceled.

Boruto is damaging Naruto series for almost 8 years.

The damage was way too big

Thats why i think it's irrealistic blame only SS/NH for Boruto's current numbers (Most of the SS/NH abandoned or ignores Boruto too)...

 

 

 

Again. I am not attributing all sales to NS fans. Merely that it sold better than when the were the main pairing of the story. Naruto is an action manga not romance manga. And I will remind you what I told you months back. "Therece, the companies will not care about technicalities like, its Boruto failing not nH/SS. As Boruto was built off them. At best, if Boruto is done so are they, worse so its the entire Naruto-Boruto franchise. If that poll winner's manga doesn't sell or they don't decided to go back to NS."

 

Even if you want to say otherwise with the SS manga. They gave that pairing a chance to shine and it did half of Boruto numbers. They are not impressed. They wanted to see better, closer to Naruto old numbers, not settle for half the current sales.

 

As for a reset. Yes, but its increasingly clear, they are too reluctant to do that.

hich they probably already realize with The Last. SS has gone likely through similar judgement due to its poor performance. Along with that poll that showed Sakura was the third most popular character internationally despite being stripped of her status of heroine & love interest. Due to claim she was unpopular internationally. That has hopefully been debunked. Now if they were smart they would go back to NS, but that's a big gamble and unless they have someone with a strong will to go through with it. I don't see that happening.

 

it's highly unrealistic expect a Spin Off who isn't written or drawn by Kishimoto bring back the 90% of the original fanbase.

Obvious this spin off only will appeal the current SasuSaku or the Sakura fanbase in japan and at least they are 50% of the current Boruto sales. Like i said Releasing a new spinoff now is never gonna give you an accurate indication of how well it would have sold back when Naruto's popularity was still huge

 

CC2 are completely ignoring Boruto manga new characters like Kawaki  and the manga story for the new Storm. They will create a original story related to the Boruto period because the gamers producers know this manga ins't well received among Naruto fans...

 

 

But they are still using /SS/Sarada and NH heavily in the divulgation...

Now Sakura will have new specials and combos with Sarada and Sasuke. Even if a reboots comes some day. They hardly will change  pairings or erase Sarada or Boruto. Just like GT didn't erased Pan existence...

Probably they just will erase Ikemoto manga like the CC2 is doing.

Maybe if they create a multiverse...

But this is too risk...

 

 

Storm Game

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by Therece, 18 May 2023 - 02:32 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Akira Toriyama spent the four arcs building up Gohan and even by the end of the series, he still don't live up to the popularity Vegeta and Goku had. He tried Goten/Trunks and was worse.

30 years laters. They never attempt to completely erase Goku or Vegeta for Gohan or Trunks.

 

In Boruto's cases it's much worse. They made 0% building up for Boruto and Kawaki. Naruto ends, and then they immediately show a fanbase that's attached to the old cast/Clans/Uchihas.

Boruto and Kawaki who are Sasuke/Naruto replacements with some alliens and androids.  They still completely changed the author and artstyle of the series with Ikemoto turning the Boruto manga completely unrecognizable to old Naruto Fans. Who tought this was a good idea?

 

 The results was obvious:  Boruto lost most of the 90% of the consumers.

 

Dragon ball GT only damaged the series during two years and was canceled.

Boruto is damaging Naruto series for almost 8 years.

The damage was way too big

Thats why i think it's irrealistic blame only SS/NH for Boruto's current numbers (Most of the SS/NH abandoned or ignores Boruto too)...

 

it's highly unrealistic expect a Spin Off who isn't written or drawn by Kishimoto bring back the 90% of the original fanbase.

Obvious this spin off only will appeal the current SasuSaku or the Sakura fanbase in japan and at least they are 50% of the current Boruto sales. Like i said Releasing a new spinoff now is never gonna give you an accurate indication of how well it would have sold back when Naruto's popularity was still huge

 

CC2 are completely ignoring Boruto manga new characters like Kawaki  and the manga story for the new Storm. They will create a original story related to the Boruto period because the gamers producers know this manga ins't well received among Naruto fans...

 

But they are still using /SS/Sarada and NH heavily in the divulgation...

Now Sakura will have new specials and combos with Sarada and Sasuke. Even if a reboots comes some day. They hardly will change  pairings or erase Sarada or Boruto. Just like GT didn't erased Pan existence...

Probably they just will erase Ikemoto manga like the CC2 is doing.

Maybe if they create a multiverse...

But this is too risk...

 

Storm Game

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quit making me have to defend Ikemoto. He is not the sole cause of Naruto-Boruto's decline. Its has been in decline since at least the ending, Namaenash would say since they killed off Neji in volume 64.

 

The Boruto movie which passed the torch to Boruto was written by Kishimoto. The people that thought it was a good idea to go forward with Boruto were the ones who pushed for the last minute pairing changes.

 

Ah, you are agreeing to go with 90% loss. Good. Though I feel I must remind you; that is the minimum.

 

If they weren't going to support the series that happen because of their pairing, why should their pairing be made canon at the last second?

 

Unrealistic it maybe, but they wanted to see how much of the fanbase was left. And I will recall, everyone was praising those series for their artwork. Which was very comparable to kishimoto own style. So they don't need Kishimoto to come back to draw as they got at least two people who can do a similar art style. They need him for apparently his writing and Samurai 8 flopped when he was the writer. Also, you could not stop praising the SS manga's story till I finally got to and pointed out the edo tensei speech issue.

 

Oh right I forgot that was coming out. Largely because everyone had dismissed it as a low effort cash grab. And you have proof CC2 are going to completely ignore Boruto's entire story, then do their own plot, and not just hoping to convince yourself they will? From what I recall, they used to just modify the fights to make them funnier to play, not completely rewrite the story.

 

Pan was a canonical character from the final arc. She is not a GT original. Also people like some elements of GT: SS4, Baby, and the evil shenrons. I also feel that I must point out Super is set in between Buu and the ending and has not gotten past the point yet. Gt is set at least ten years later.

 

If SS can only bring out half of what Boruto sells on it own. Why would they make them the new focus when they can't beat Boruto's low sales?

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 18 May 2023 - 05:39 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

 

 

 

Akira Toriyama spent the four arcs building up Gohan and even by the end of the series, he still don't live up to the popularity Vegeta and Goku had. He tried Goten/Trunks and was worse.

30 years laters. They never attempt to completely erase Goku or Vegeta for Gohan or Trunks.

 

In Boruto's cases it's much worse. They made 0% building up for Boruto and Kawaki. Naruto ends, and then they immediately show a fanbase that's attached to the old cast/Clans/Uchihas.

Boruto and Kawaki who are Sasuke/Naruto replacements with some alliens and androids.  They still completely changed the author and artstyle of the series with Ikemoto turning the Boruto manga completely unrecognizable to old Naruto Fans. Who tought this was a good idea?

 

 

 

 

The people who wanted to keep milking a fat-cash cow, but they forgot to feed it high quality food and killed the thing instead. 

You seem to be mistaking me for someone else because at no point have I EVER said "The sole reason this franchise is failing is because of the pairings." I think its failing because of bad writing in the original franchise, which Burrito is BUILT on. (Is part of that bad writing the final pairs? yup. is it all of it? nope. )If you build a new house on an old, rotten foundation nothing good will come from it. 

They would have been better off focusing on the cast as YOUNG ADULTS, finding their own places in the world and navigating it in the aftermath of a "War" what comes next? But I think that would have been too difficult especially since Kishimoto wanted to move on from the series. 

Ultimately Burrito lacks all the charm that made up for Kishimoto's spotty writing. From the characters to the whole "lets make it futuristic!!!" angle that obliterated the fantasy meets modern-archaic setting which had made Naruto as a world so interesting-- and that probably came from Kikittenmoto himself since he pulled it in Samurai 8 too.     

I don't expect nor really want a reboot. Why would I want a reboot from someone so inept and wishy-washy? The only enjoyment i would get out of it would be to see the fandom explode. 

[Bail o' Lies]

The people who wanted to keep milking a fat-cash cow, but they forgot to feed it high quality food and killed the thing instead. 

You seem to be mistaking me for someone else because at no point have I EVER said "The sole reason this franchise is failing is because of the pairings." I think its failing because of bad writing in the original franchise, which Burrito is BUILT on. (Is part of that bad writing the final pairs? yup. is it all of it? nope. )If you build a new house on an old, rotten foundation nothing good will come from it. 

They would have been better off focusing on the cast as YOUNG ADULTS, finding their own places in the world and navigating it in the aftermath of a "War" what comes next? But I think that would have been too difficult especially since Kishimoto wanted to move on from the series. 

Ultimately Burrito lacks all the charm that made up for Kishimoto's spotty writing. From the characters to the whole "lets make it futuristic!!!" angle that obliterated the fantasy meets modern-archaic setting which had made Naruto as a world so interesting-- and that probably came from Kikittenmoto himself since he pulled it in Samurai 8 too.     

I don't expect nor really want a reboot. Why would I want a reboot from someone so inept and wishy-washy? The only enjoyment i would get out of it would be to see the fandom explode. 

The first line pretty much sums up western media for at least the past decade.

 

That was probably suppose to be either aimed at me or just everyone here in general. Anyways the big problem with the pairings is they put them together in such a way that it damaged the very story itself. Then not help by how the pairings are presented as very negatively. SS, Sasuke pretty much does everything in his power to avoid his family for 12 years and we are just suppose to assume he must care for them deep down, and Sakura still acts like a school girl with a crush. nH, Naruto throws himself into his job to avoid his family, and Hinata is so passive she let her kids issues flourish into problems that consume them. There were always problems with Naruto beyond the pairings, but the last minute swap made it worse.

 

I think I was saying this before Boruto even came out. Any sequel of Naruto first needs to deal with; what did Naruto actually accomplish/do to bring about world peace, end the cycle of hatred, and reform the ninja system? Boruto never touches upon it and its often feels like nothing at all. Not helped by the fact that the Neo-SNS conflict makes any accomplishment Naruto did succeed in feel like it gone up in smoke.

 

Now, I have to defend Kishimoto. Ikemoto is the person in charge of Boruto, Kishimoto is an adviser. The story is Ikemoto's fault some stupid ideas like the ninja tech is kishi's if he suggested it. Granted he probably did remember the skyscrapers.

 

Anything that is not all in at this point is a waste of time.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 20 May 2023 - 04:31 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

The first line pretty much sums up western media for at least the past decade.

 

That was probably suppose to be either aimed at me or just everyone here in general. Anyways the big problem with the pairings is they put them together in such a way that it damaged the very story itself. Then not help by how the pairings are presented as very negatively. SS, Sasuke pretty much does everything in his power to avoid his family for 12 years and we are just suppose to assume he must care for them deep down, and Sakura still acts like a school girl with a crush. nH, Naruto throws himself into his job to avoid his family, and Hinata is so passive she let her kids issues flourish into problems that consume them. There were always problem with Naruto beyond the pairings, but the last minute swap made it worse.

 

I think I was saying this before Boruto even came out. Any sequel of Naruto first needs to deal with; what did Naruto actually accomplish/do to bring about world peace, end the cycle of hatred, and reform the ninja system? Boruto never touches upon it and its often feels like nothing at all. Not helped by the fact that the Neo-SNS conflict makes any accomplishment Naruto did succeed in feel like it gone up in smoke.

 

Now, I have to defend Kishimoto. Ikemoto is the person in charge of Boruto, Kishimoto is an adviser. The story is Ikemoto's fault some stupid ideas like the ninja tech is kishi's if he suggested it. Granted he probably did remember the skyscrapers.

 

Anything that is not all in at this point is a waste of time.

As someone who just saw the trailers/stills for Indian Jones and The Dial of Destiny, this rings painfully true  "Museums are bad, capitalism is theft!!" And then the endless, unoriginal remakes that can't even hope to match the original being funneled down the necks of the masses like they're geese intended for foie gras...Anyways, moving on...

There were so many issues in the original series like; IF everyone hated Naruto as a baby, who the kitten raised him from birth to age 5? Why didn't his GODFATHER visit him before 12? Why didn't Kakashi, his father's student appear in his life? Why didn't Mikoto who was apparently friends with Kushina do something? The more Kishimoto begins to show the past, the less the present makes sense and that is never a good sign. All those people knew he was having a hard time as a kid and not one of them did a damn thing, that makes them all dirtbags. 

NH having to literally retcon pre-established canon and relationships WAS deeply damaging--The Japanese fandom turned on Naruto after The Last, calling him a scumbag. Because if its TRUE that he never loved/liked Sakura seriously and only bothered her because of his rivalry with Sasuke...then that really makes him the worst sort of guy. Not only that but it flies in the face of "Naruto doesn't understand love/like, he only knows how to equate romantic love with love for a type of food." (Never mind that he actually DOES understand LOVE as evidenced repeatedly through the series.) How do you chase after a girl and try to kiss her, imagine being her boyfriend when you only like them like you like a bowl of ramen? Naruto's got some weird food fetishes there   


So there's one problem, and then we have the issue of how "Hinata was bullied by kids in school despite being the HEIR to one of the most influential clans in the village+she was secret friends with Naruto all along and ALWAYS there for him even before Iruka!!! also, BYAKUGAN PRINSESSU!!!

So wait, Naruto was never really alone, nor was he ever REALLY an Underdog because he's got all these flashy bells and whistles--Kyuubi, Super talented/strong mom and dad, Reincarnation of  some demigod, foretold by prophecy nonsense. It invalidates everything and these are issues stemming from the original series. 

Why would anyone root for Naruto as a person after this? So the title character is ruined and now you're gonna start a spin off with his son? Wow, so exciting. 

Kishimoto didn't care enough about his own MAIN CHARACTER's CHILD (The titular character of his spin off) To remember to give him his genetically inherited Byakugan eyes (Which are not like Sharingan and are unlocked since birth.) but somehow kittens up and gives him whiskers for no reason. On top of that, said spinoff star is an ungrateful kitten for no reason. OK your dad's busy? At least you HAVE A DAD   And one that doesn't beat you to boot! Oh and a mom, and a sister, and FRIENDS. What's so bad about his life again? Oh, he didn't get enough hugs from daddy or w/e. 

All the OG main cast have kitten home lives, one lives alone with her kid, the other TWO avoid their families (Secretly longing to be with one another I'm sure.) They don't hang out, there is no team 7 dynamics that most of the fans were hoping to return to. "We just want to show real adult struggles, debt, balancing family and work..." No one wants to see that. "Sasuke's on a secret mission and he CAN'T EVER SEE HIS KID." More like he doesn't want to. I mean, since WHEN has Sasuke ever stopped doing something he wanted to do because he was told not to do it?   

Sakura's ok to be ditched by her "husband" for YEARS despite her massive, inexplicable burning obsession with him. She's crazy enough to follow after him 9months pregnant but not willing to follow him while their child grows up so that she can know her father? Uhuh. That makes no sense. ITS TOO DANGEROUS!! Yes, It seems like Sasuke's had a REALLY rough time out there on his own. (I'm pretty sure there is no place safer for Salad than being stuck between her Healing-Tank of a mom and Whatever the kitten you'd classify Sasuke as.) but gotta find some stupid excuse not to write these two characters being near one another for any length of time since they make NO SENSE. Sakura's in debt despite working? HOW? she's not stupid, she's not mathematically challenged, she's likely the BEST doctor on their continent. (she should ditch Ninja work and go into private practice, clearly.) but hehehe its funny or something. 

Sakura and Sasuke's relationship lacking foundation comes from the original series and is just another problem that carries over into Burrito. 

 

Oh but all the Kage's come to the table and decide things together now!! Thats what Naruto changed about the system! Nevermind that the U.N doesn't work in the real world & that it ain't gonna work in Naruto-verse. As the "Child of Prophecy" Naruto was supposed to change the Ninja world, but like you said; NOTHING seems to have changed other than them being increasingly "Defunct" (Boy, I hope Naruto set up a trade school to help struggling ninja's earn back some revenue now that they're out of jobs...another issue from the OG series. How are soldiers from the cradle going to adjust to an increasingly peaceful society?) They're still training children to be soldiers and its still a world where Orochimaru, the sick Dr. Mengele of Naruto world is out there prancing around, immortal, continuing his human experiments for no explainable reason what so ever. 

Aliens. It wasn't cool when Kishimoto threw that in and Burrito just doubled down on it and added moar, because there aren't any worthwhile threats left on earth to deal with (apparently--IGNORE OROCHIMARU'S EXISTENCE.) I'm still trying to understand why Kaguya even bothered to have babies if she was just going to hate them and try to kill them later anyways. 

Its just one cop out after another. 

I think Ikemoto and Kishimoto were talking and sort of exchanging ideas--hence the futuristic setting of Burrito. Kishimoto was doing Samurai 8 and it influenced his ideas which trickled to Ikemoto. 

But thats just my assumption.

The whole Cyborg/Android kitten is 99% Ikemoto I'm sure. 




 

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 18 May 2023 - 10:42 PM.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

This is what I said on August 8th 2014...

 

 

"If you ask me though I think SasuSaku is more abusive that NaruSaku cause Sasuke hurts Sakura mentally and if married her than he probably would do worst"

 

I was right.

[Phantom_999]

Does Sakura hurt Naruto's feelings? Does she actually do any long lasting physical damage to him? In contrast not ONLY does Sasuke damage Sakura's self esteem, he tried to kill her. There is a difference. I'm not making it up either, it was literally in the manga.

Edited by Phantom_999, 21 May 2023 - 01:41 AM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't find Sasuke post 699 to be abusive so much as neglectful. You kind of have to be around or in contact with a person to abuse them   He's definitely a bad father and a kitten husband--and Sakura's a stupid bimbo for putting up with it because "He's just soooooo good looking." (Which seems to the only thing about him that matters to her.) 

Making sense of these characters becomes difficult whenever Sasuke is involved with them because its like they all loose their damn marbles and stop behaving like rational human beings. This goes for Naruto as much as it does Sakura, and even a lot of side characters like Tsunade and Kakashi. Why wouldn't Tsunade put a hit out on a missing Nin from HER VILLAGE--the one she's now Hokage of, whose run off with known criminal (who attacked said village) Orochimaru? Oh because She's got a soft spot for Naruto and Sakura (or some kitten like that)   

Why would Kakashi encourage Sakura and Naruto to continue chasing him? Oh, because "Those who abandon their teammates are worse than trash." Sasuke's the one who abandoned them, he's the trash. Relationships are RECIPROCAL. Sasuke gives nothing but negativity to them after the chuunin exams. They weren't even together all that long. Teaching them that no matter what someone does you can't cut them out is one of the worst lessons Kishimoto tried to impart on his readers.

There is nothing about him that inspires the sort of lifelong devotion and self sacrifice Naruto and Sakura go through for him. Not one thing.

"Oh he saved Naruto's life that one time!" Oh yea, and then tried to kill him like 3-4 other times after. And we'll never know why Sakura "Loves" him other than he's cool because that is literally the only justification we've gotten. 

To me, Sasuke will always be the worst character in Naruto and its not because of what he's personally done but how the entire world and the characters themselves seem to bend and warp around him.  

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 21 May 2023 - 12:46 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Oh I don’t deny that it is actually neglect post chapter 699. You’re right about that. How can he abuse Sakura when he won’t stay with her for more than a few minutes?

Edited by Phantom_999, 21 May 2023 - 09:31 PM.

[Therece]

 

And you have proof CC2 are going to completely ignore Boruto's entire story, then do their own plot, and not just hoping to convince yourself they will? From what I recall, they used to just modify the fights to make them funnier to play, not completely rewrite the story.

 

? From what I recall, they used to just modify the fights to make them funnier to play, not completely rewrite the story.

 

Pan was a canonical character from the final arc. She is not a GT original. Also people like some elements of GT: SS4, Baby, and the evil shenrons. I also feel that I must point out Super is set in between Buu and the ending and has not gotten past the point yet. Gt is set at least ten years later.

 

If SS can only bring out half of what Boruto sells on it own. Why would they make them the new focus when they can't beat Boruto's low sales?

 

Do you have any promotional material using Kawaki, Kara and Boruto's characters? I want to see then.

Until now you have 0% traillers and marketing with Boruto manga characters and story.

They are just using Sasuke/Naruto/Sakura as a Adults and Sarada in these traillers related to Boruto Era.

 

They will  add a new Boruto Story but the original Naruto story will be left untounched.

They already created a new Susano'o for Sarada or another Uchiha in the game:

 

 

 

No Kawaki, Karma or alliens, Just Uchihas...

 

 

 

Pan is a character from dragon ball Z epilogue

Just like Sarada/Boruto and next gen kids  are epilogue characters.

They are still part of Naruto original manga from the  700 Chapter and Sarada Gaiden written by Kishimoto.

So even if they reboot Boruto Manga. Hardly they will change Naruto's manga epilogue  unless they introduce some multiverse idea. Also you still have the entire blank period before epilogue for more stories...

 

At this point. They can release a spin off about Itachi. The current most popular Naruto character in Japan and i doubt this spin off will sell more than Retsuden or Boruto... Novels/Spin off are side materials to specific fans.

 

The true test is Kishimoto coming back and writting a volume manga about any character at this point. If this volume sells more than Boruto. There's is hope. Less? The series is dead and they will need some serious rework.

Edited by Therece, 22 May 2023 - 03:07 AM.

[Therece]

To me, Sasuke will always be the worst character in Naruto and its not because of what he's personally done but how the entire world and the characters themselves seem to bend and warp around him.  

 

Kishimoto loves Sasuke.

Hinata SP favoritism is nothing compared to Sasuke.

 

Second Kishimoto Naruto story would be axed in last than 10 chapters withiout Sasuke. So it's natural of how he prefered Sasuke over Naruto so many times during the story. You had two Sasuke fanboys at the time Yahagi and Kishimoto.

 

 

Kishimoto based Naruto in Kuririn and Sasuke/Sakura in the old anime couple that he liked as a child.

 

"Sasuke", by Sanpei Shirato, from the 1960's. Which was an inspiration, yes. The anime version aired when Kishi was a young boy, and it features Sasuke Sarutobi and his female love interest/sidekick Sakura on a journey of revenge for his murdered clan"

 

I'm uncertain if Kishimoto planned SS since the beggining, changed his plans to NaruSaku at the beggining of part 2 and come back to SS/NH after fake confession.

 

Second fans in Japan one of the new editors after Yahagi. Sugested Kishimoto kill Sasuke but Kishimoto completely refused the idea:

 

 

"Sakura/Sasuke

 Sakura was heavily criticized for her confession scene in the Summit arc and her popularity suffered big time because of it.

As for Sasuke, it isn't true what some of his fans say about how he is the most popular naruto character in Japan (it's actually Itachi who is the most popular among the casual fans). But  certainly Sasuke is very popular, one of the franchise symbols and well liked easily on par with Naruto and suparssing him when he have focus, but a lot also disliked the favoritism he received  and how messy his character became at the end without Yahagi.

Kishi's first editor, Yahagi, loved Sasuke too much. 2) New Kishimoto's editors actually wanted Sasuke to be killed and Kishi was the one who was completely against the idea. This could potentially kill the franchise future"

 

 

They would have been better off focusing on the cast as YOUNG ADULTS, finding their own places in the world and navigating it in the aftermath of a "War" what comes next? But I think that would have been too difficult especially since Kishimoto wanted to move on from the series. 
 

 

 

Exactly.   The Sides Novels at the time were easily surpassing 100k of sales and breaking records of spin offs sales.

The audience were really interested to see the Original Cast and Team 7 as a Young Adults ,the beginning and development of pairings, families etc.

 

Boruto the Movie was the most successfully Naruto movie because people wanted to see the old Cast as a Adults and their new families since the Last failed to show that and prefered a Hinata love story.

 

But the idiots completely failed to see that demand and prefered to give the series for Ikemoto and focus in Boruto, Androids and Alliens...

Edited by Therece, 23 May 2023 - 02:37 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Do you have any promotional material using Kawaki, Kara and Boruto's characters? I want to see then.

Until now you have 0% traillers trailers and marketing with Boruto manga characters and story.

They are just using Sasuke/Naruto/Sakura as a Adults and Sarada in these traillers trailers related to Boruto Era.

 

They will  add a new Boruto Story but the original Naruto story will be left untounched. Untouched.

They already created a new Susano'o for Sarada or another Uchiha in the game:

 

No Kawaki, Karma or alliens, aliens Just Uchihas...

I already said I forgot about that coming out because it seems like a low effort cash grab. Why would I have information on it when I don't even care to remember it exist?

 

I am going off the other Ninja Storm games being adaptation of the Naruto's story with some modification to make for better gameplay. So I assume this game is going to be the same, but with Boruto's story. You are the one saying it not going to be about Boruto. So again, what proof do you have?

 

The lack of those character don't say they hated what Ikemoto has done and its a slight towards him. It says, cheap cash grab where they don't want to spend the money making too many new characters. Since they are just using the old roster they had from 4 and its DLC plus the two ancient ancestor brothers.

 

Why are they giving salad a Susanoo when she just got her eyes last chapter? If she has that then that means they are doing the Boruto story. Since she doesn't have those without the manga. 

Pan is a character from dragon ball Z epilogue

Just like Sarada/Boruto and next gen kids  are epilogue characters.

They are still part of Naruto original manga from the 700 Chapter and Sarada Gaiden written by Kishimoto.

So even if they reboot Boruto Manga. Hardly they will change Naruto's manga epilogue  unless they introduce some multiverse idea. Also you still have the entire blank period before epilogue for more stories...

 

At this point. They can release a spin off about Itachi. The current most popular Naruto character in Japan and i doubt this spin off will sell more than Retsuden or Boruto... Novels/Spin off are side materials to specific fans.

 

The true test is Kishimoto coming back and writting writing a volume manga about any character at this point. If this volume sells more than Boruto. There's is hope. Less? The series is dead and they will need some serious rework.

Oh you thought we want Boruto reboot. You misunderstand. We don't want a Boruto reboot. We want a reboot from at least 699 onwards. No Boruto. I thought we were all being quite clear and obvious about it.

 

They were made with the understanding that nH/SS was what the fans wanted...the last 9 years have proven that is not the case. There is no reason to hold on to them, and if they want to keep Sarada. They could just make her a NS child. Since from her gaiden that sounds like a dream come true for her.

 

Kishimoto loves Sasuke.

Hinata SP favoritism is nothing compared to Sasuke.

 

Second Kishimoto Naruto story would be axed in last than 10 chapters withiout without Sasuke. So it's natural of how he prefered preferred Sasuke over Naruto so many times during the story. You had two Sasuke fanboys at the time Yahagi and Kishimoto.

 

 

Kishimoto based Naruto in Kuririn and Sasuke/Sakura in the old anime couple that he liked as a child.

 

"Sasuke", by Sanpei Shirato, from the 1960's. Which was an inspiration, yes. The anime version aired when Kishi was a young boy, and it features Sasuke Sarutobi and his female love interest/sidekick Sakura on a journey of revenge for his murdered clan"

 

I'm uncertain if Kishimoto planned SS since the beggining, beginning changed his plans to NaruSaku at the beggining beginning of part 2 and come back to SS/NH after fake confession.

 

Second fans in Japan one of the new editors after Yahagi. Sugested Suggested Kishimoto kill Sasuke but Kishimoto completely refused the idea:

 

"Sakura/Sasuke

 Sakura was heavily criticized for her confession scene in the Summit arc and her popularity suffered big time because of it.

As for Sasuke, it isn't true what some of his fans say about how he is the most popular naruto character in Japan (it's actually Itachi who is the most popular among the casual fans). But  certainly Sasuke is very popular, one of the franchise symbols and well liked easily on par with Naruto and suparssing him when he have focus, but a lot also disliked the favoritism he received  and how messy his character became at the end without Yahagi.

Kishi's first editor, Yahagi, loved Sasuke too much. 2) New Kishimoto's editors actually wanted Sasuke to be killed and Kishi was the one who was completely against the idea. This could potentially kill the franchise future"

 

Exactly.  The Sides Novels at the time were easily surpassing 100k of sales and breaking records of spin offs sales.

The audience were really interested to see the Original Cast and Team 7 as a Young Adults ,the beginning and development of pairings, families etc.

 

Boruto the Movie was the most successfully Naruto movie because people wanted to see the old Cast as a Adults and their new families since the Last failed to show that and prefered preferred a Hinata love story.

 

But the idiots completely failed to see that demand and prefered preferred to give the series for Ikemoto and focus in Boruto, Androids and Alliens...

Sasuke from 1961-1966, doesn't not have a Sakura listed. There is a female character called Onihime. Its annoying to find any information about this story because Sasuke covers up searching for Sasuke (1961).

 

Wasn't that the same editor that had Kishimoto do Hinata's big scene and wanted her to replace Sakura as heroine afterwards? Also wasn't he the editor of the time of the false confession?

 

So, according to you. SS was the plan at the beginning despite the first they appeared in chapter had the forehead comment. But then he made it NS by part two. But changed his mind again because Sakura was too hated to be the heroine or the loved interest so switched to nH and had SS as some backup pair the spares. And you're happy with this? This doesn't say he had great love for this couple. It says, he thought of it first in the planning stage but when he actually wrote it, he thought it was awful; then only put them back together because people hated Sakura too much. So if she wasn't hated NS would still happen even in your contorted mind, just with a few more twists and turns to get there. Ok.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 23 May 2023 - 05:46 PM.

[Therece]

I already said I forgot about that coming out because it seems like a low effort cash grab. Why would I have information on it when I don't even care to remember it exist?

I am going off the other Ninja Storm games being adaptation of the Naruto's story with some modification to make for better gameplay. So I assume this game is going to be the same, but with Boruto's story. You are the one saying it not going to be about Boruto. So again, what proof do you have?

The lack of those character don't say they hated what Ikemoto has done and its a slight towards him. It says, cheap cash grab where they don't want to spend the money making too many new characters. Since they are just using the old roster they had from 4 and its DLC plus the two ancient ancestor brothers.

 Why are they giving salad a Susanoo when she just got her eyes last chapter? If she has that then that means they are doing the Boruto story. Since she doesn't have those without the manga. 

 

 

I'm waiting your proof with Kawaki and Ikemoto's characters in game...

Did you know Itachi and Shisui have Perfect Susano'o in Storm Games right? They never had that in  manga.

They can create everything they want ignoring some aspects in the manga. In this case they are ignoring the entire Ikemoto's boruto story...  Also ins't confirmed this Susano'o is from Sarada or another game character.

 

Oh you thought we want Boruto reboot. You misunderstand. We don't want a Boruto reboot. We want a reboot from at least 699 onwards. No Boruto. I thought we were all being quite clear and obvious about it.

 

They were made with the understanding that nH/SS was what the fans wanted...the last 9 years have proven that is not the case. There is no reason to hold on to them, and if they want to keep Sarada. They could just make her a NS child. Since from her gaiden that sounds like a dream come true for her.

 

 

 

I remember Sarada receiving the forehead Poke and forgeting everything bad about Sasuke just like her mother.

If you remove Sharingan, black hair and change her father. Sarada is a completely different character in this case. I'ts more easy to Boruto pretend to be a NS child than Sarada.

 

 

If they reboot Boruto manga hardly they will change SS/Sarada and NH/Boruto considering they are using these couple and characters massively in marketing and still giving spin offs and novels to SS. They are just ignoring Boruto's ikemoto. If NaruSaku is the only thing who will made the series enjoyable to you.  It's better hope for a multiverse scenario when Boruto could meet Shinachiku.

 

Fans wanted? Again you're confusing the pairing fandom with the ENTIRE NARUTO FANDOM and non Shippers.

I don't think Itachi, Akatsuki, Uchihas, Hokages, Madara or sannins fans cares about pairings. Only the Sakura/Hinata fandoms cares about that.

Original Naruto fanbases and SS/NH fans never wanted Boruto and Ikemoto.

 

 

Sasuke from 1961-1966, doesn't not have a Sakura listed. There is a female character called Onihime. Its annoying to find any information about this story because Sasuke covers up searching for Sasuke (1961).

Wasn't that the same editor that had Kishimoto do Hinata's big scene and wanted her to replace Sakura as heroine afterwards? Also wasn't he the editor of the time of the false confession?

So, according to you. SS was the plan at the beginning despite the first they appeared in chapter had the forehead comment. But then he made it NS by part two. But changed his mind again because Sakura was too hated to be the heroine or the loved interest so switched to nH and had SS as some backup pair the spares. And you're happy with this? This doesn't say he had great love for this couple. It says, he thought of it first in the planning stage but when he actually wrote it, he thought it was awful; then only put them back together because people hated Sakura too much. So if she wasn't hated NS would still happen even in your contorted mind, just with a few more twists and turns to get there. Ok.

 

Based in how Kishimoto pratically copied the Sasuke/Sakura from this old Story probably he have some plans to SS.

You have two Kishimoto interviews. In one he said he planned the pairings since the begginning and another one when he said he changed his plans in halfway. Believe in whatever you wants.

 

Yahagi left the series after Sasuke killed Itachi and discovered Uchihas truth.

After Sasuke and Itachi Arc you have another new editor which helps to explain the complete mess Naruto story and Sasuke's character become.

Yahagi was the main responsible for Naruto's sucess and the only editor capable to stop Kishimoto stupid ideas.

None of the new editors was able to stop or call him out.  Kage Summit arc probably would be very different with Yahagi.

 

 

AGAIN  Naruto's  HouseWife  ≠ Heroine

 

 

Relating to Sakura/SasuSaku. I think Kishimoto is pretty much satisfied  with her new level of popularity among the current SS/Sakura fans with his  comment about Sakura in the poll results. Hardly he will risk to ruin Sakura's popularity again, bring more hate to him and revive the pairings wars rebooting couples at this point. If they plan to reboot something probably is only Ikemoto's boruto.

 

NS only began to receive some focus in Part 2 and become universally hated by SS/NH/Non Shippers when Kishimoto made the chapter 469 and Kage summit arc.

Sakura wasn't hated in Japan before Fake Confession. Kishimoto himself brought hate to Sakura when he tried to make a NaruSaku confession.

The fact that Sakura's confession was after Hinata's " confession only made the situation worst for Kishimoto and NaruSaku. 

Sakura was abandoning Sasuke,supposedly lying to Naruto and still ignoring Hinata's feelings.

 

 

In Part 1 the main focus in romance was pretty much SS with a  love declaration in Sasuke's departure who completely overshadowed NaruSaku.

Thats why you have this big fanatical pairing fandom known as SS who never was capable to accept NaruSaku and prefered to side with Hinata fans to destroy NS.

Edited by Therece, 24 May 2023 - 05:19 AM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

 

 

Kishimoto loves Sasuke.

Hinata SP favoritism is nothing compared to Sasuke.

 

Second Kishimoto Naruto story would be axed in last than 10 chapters withiout Sasuke. So it's natural of how he prefered Sasuke over Naruto so many times during the story. You had two Sasuke fanboys at the time Yahagi and Kishimoto.

 

 

 

Kishimoto based Naruto in Kuririn and Sasuke/Sakura in the old anime couple that he liked as a child.

 

"Sasuke", by Sanpei Shirato, from the 1960's. Which was an inspiration, yes. The anime version aired when Kishi was a young boy, and it features Sasuke Sarutobi and his female love interest/sidekick Sakura on a journey of revenge for his murdered clan"

 

I'm uncertain if Kishimoto planned SS since the beggining, changed his plans to NaruSaku at the beggining of part 2 and come back to SS/NH after fake confession.

 

 

 

Yes, we all know Kishimoto's favorite character to write was actually Sasuke. (because Sasuke is an easy character to write. Doesn't take much to make the "Avenger" cool. in fact its an almost fool proof archetype--the mistake is that he practically broke the story in service to his pet and shafted his actual main character.) I don't think Yahagi came close to approaching Kishimoto's level of fanboy in regards to Sasuke there is nothing in his  tenure as editor that shows me that. In fact, its AFTER he leaves that Kishimoto goes out of control.

Yahagi was editor until the pein arc or shortly after it and you can tell   not only that but the same time Yahagi is leaving is when Kishimoto REALLY wants to end Naruto (probably because he knew what a struggle working on it without him would become.)

The story would have been better served if Sasuke did die but the story would have been better served by lots of things. 

I don't care about some 1960's ninja show. Naruto is a different story, with different events and character dynamics. Naruto doesn't exist in it, he's not the main character whose crush is set on her from the moment she's introduced and Sakura does not spend her time as Sasuke's sidekick in it--in fact they spend the vast majority of the series never meeting even after they're married. 

On a base level Naruto is similar to DB, but Naruto is clearly NOT dragon ball. 



 

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 23 May 2023 - 09:10 PM.