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[tekopi]

Have you watch the ending song of the Naruto Shippuden?
They use Sakura instead of Hinata. Why is that ?
Aren't this show that she does play important role in the Naruto story, while some fans doubt her?

Edited by tekopi, 07 January 2010 - 04:29 PM.

[Gravenimage]

Have you watch the ending song of the Naruto Shippuden?
They use Sakura instead of Hinata. Why is that ?
Aren't this show that she does play important role in the Naruto story, while some fans doubt her?

Are you talking about the new ending? I've seen it I really like when they are kids and Naruto passes Sakura and smiled at her yet Sasuke passes her and he didn't said a word to her not even a second glance. To me that part right there was anti S/S.

[Jenskott]

Well obviously whoever wrote this its not a N/H, N/S, S/S or even N/Sasu fan he's just basically saying that the manga won't have any require love.

Yes, obviously he isn't a shipper. But he also refuses believing anything can lead him/her to believe there are requited romance. Hence, that person is being hypocritical when he/she accuses that obviously very biased NH shipper of refusing facing facts.

I don't understand anti-shippers either. It is one thing complain about fans see romance where there is none, but insisting there is no romance even when it is blatant?

And the bit about "Naruto has got no time to show his reactoin to Hinata's confession" bit... Good Lord. He has got plenty time to show his reaction. And he has done it. His reaction to Hinata confessing is NO REACTION AT ALL.

Kishimoto has got plenty chances for showing one chat between Naruto and Hinata, or revealing what Naruto thinks of Hinata now. He hasn't done so. He has preffered spending pannel time drawing talks between Naruto and other characters and insisting Naruto loves Sakura instead, and I think the fact of he showed Naruto talking to Konohamaru but not to Hinata is pretty significant.

And now Naruto is fighting and brooding abroad and NH shippers have gotten Kishimoto irked with their ceaseless Hinata-related prattle, the odds of we see Hinata in the near future are very low.

It reminds me of the old "Hinata will find out about Naruto curse sooner or later and then she will reassure him and their relationship will bloom!" prediction. Indeed, she found out... off-panel. And her reaction also was no reaction, no sympathy and no caring. NH fans believed it would be shown in a flash-back (since obviously it is so important). It wasn't.

Naruto has no time for thinking about Hinata right now. True. But he has not the desire of thinking about her, either.

Are you talking about the new ending? I've seen it I really like when they are kids and Naruto passes Sakura and smiled at her yet Sasuke passes her and he didn't said a word to her not even a second glance. To me that part right there was anti S/S.

I deduce that Pierrot goes on eviscerating the original plot and trolling the fandom through fanservice.

[Gravenimage]

Yes, obviously he isn't a shipper. But he also refuses believing anything can lead him/her to believe there are requited romance. Hence, that person is being hypocritical when he/she accuses that obviously very biased NH shipper of refusing facing facts.

I don't understand anti-shippers either. It is one thing complain about fans see romance where there is none, but insisting there is no romance even when it is blatant?

And the bit about "Naruto has got no time to show his reactoin to Hinata's confession" bit... Good Lord. He has got plenty time to show his reaction. And he has done it. His reaction to Hinata confessing is NO REACTION AT ALL.

Kishimoto has got plenty chances for showing one chat between Naruto and Hinata, or revealing what Naruto thinks of Hinata now. He hasn't done so. He has preffered spending pannel time drawing talks between Naruto and other characters and insisting Naruto loves Sakura instead, and I think the fact of he showed Naruto talking to Konohamaru but not to Hinata is pretty significant.

And now Naruto is fighting and brooding abroad and NH shippers have gotten Kishimoto irked with their ceaseless Hinata-related prattle, the odds of we see Hinata in the near future are very low.

It reminds me of the old "Hinata will find out about Naruto curse sooner or later and then she will reassure him and their relationship will bloom!" prediction. Indeed, she found out... off-panel. And her reaction also was no reaction, no sympathy and no caring. NH fans believed it would be shown in a flash-back (since obviously it is so important). It wasn't.

Naruto has no time for thinking about Hinata right now. True. But he has not the desire of thinking about her, either.



I deduce that Pierrot goes on eviscerating the original plot and trolling the fandom through fanservice.

I just don't get it when will N/H fans understand that there won't be any involvement or even any development between Naruto and Hinata at all? Kishi finally decides to focus romance and make a canon pairing in part 2 and ever since then he hasn't focus anything on Naruto and Hinata he has been focusing and developing Naruto and Sakura I wonder why? . If Kishi didn't focus N/H since part 2 started then he's not going to start now at all. Right now they are expecting that Yamato will bring the unconscious Naruto back to Konoha and Hinata will go to him and play the role of" nurse " with him and he will wake up and say to her "I love you Hinata". Every single one of their N/H bias predictions have been false to the core. The same with the she will find out about the Kyuubi and she will go to him because she pities him or the one about her confession from 437. Naruto going to her and returning her feelings and the most classic the faithful N/H reunion Naruto finally talking to Hinata and giving her his answer.

Judging to how Kishi got irritated with the N/H fan mail he will leave her confession hanging in the air and he will be keeping Hinata in the dark like he has always done.

Edited by Gravenimage, 07 January 2010 - 06:34 PM.

[Jenskott]

I just don't get it when will N/H fans understand that there won't be any involvement or even any development between Naruto and Hinata at all?

I remember several years ago, when it was clear Hinata wasn't becoming the Part II female lead and she didn't show up for several dozens of chapters, several fans claimed screentime isn't the same thing that development.

Paradoxically, they were always hoping for future development and more NH interactions.

My rebuttal is: agreed, they are different things. But NH has no screentime and no development.

Anyway... No, they won't understand it. They refuse believing it (right like we refuse believing NS isn't the likeliest canon pairing, to be fair). They have decided the pairing they ship will become canon, so there MUST be development.

If Kishi didn't focus N/H since part 2 started then he's not going to start now at all.

He never focused on NH. I don't get because people thought it was a big deal back in the Part I.

Regardless, if he hasn't focused on NH so far, I doubt he'll start doing it now. Wasn't the confession supposed to be the springboard for developing NH? Then why hasn't it been used? If Kishimoto planned using it for developing NH, we should have seen Naruto pondering about it, thinking about Hinata, talking to her... Nope. We haven't even seen a scene where he told "Thank you" to Hinata.

I have a hard time believing he plans on developing NH if he keeps missing opportunities for it.

NH is completely one-sided, and I don't see it changing in the near future. Unlike NS, he has never done anything for suggesting the crush is slowly becoming requited.

Every single one of their N/H bias predictions have been false to the core.

I have never bought NH shippers' arguments, and that is one of the reasons. They are always foretelling scenes and developments never happen.

Judging to how Kishi got irritated with the N/H fan mail he will leave her confession hanging in the air and he will be keeping Hinata in the dark like he has always done.

Probably.

I am sorry for Hinata's fans, but I understand Kishimoto's stance. Reading so much people bashing his story's heroine and endleslly praising an unimportant and irrelevant secondary character must be tiresome.

[catsi563]

There is one part of that i do want to discuss and its whats quoted below.

Hinata nicely illustrates being able to maturely (and powerfully) express one's love without any regrets, and then be able to let go and move on without hinging your sense of self worth on another person's feelings and actions when she maturely handled Naruto not returning her feelings and didn't really sit around waiting for him to do so.

I think this is spot on, and have always thought so. I always felt hinata would get just such a chance but it would be done in such a fashion where she would admit to him her feelings but would then brush them aside much as Naruto did in his own way during TPOAL.

To me her character was based on that growth and change through her hard work and inspiration of her idol. the ability and unselfishness needed to let go of her feelings for another happiness is a big part of ehr character. She doesnt hinge her self worth to use the persons quote. on Narutos reaction to her feelings, isntead she holds to her self worth as resulting from her hard work and courage to change which was the point of her character all along.

[Jenskott]

I think this is spot on, and have always thought so. I always felt hinata would get just such a chance but it would be done in such a fashion where she would admit to him her feelings but would then brush them aside much as Naruto did in his own way during TPOAL.

To me her character was based on that growth and change through her hard work and inspiration of her idol. the ability and unselfishness needed to let go of her feelings for another happiness is a big part of ehr character. She doesnt hinge her self worth to use the persons quote. on Narutos reaction to her feelings, isntead she holds to her self worth as resulting from her hard work and courage to change which was the point of her character all along.

Hence, her plot relevance has utterly vanished.

Anyway, I agree. I always found offensive NH fans claimed if Hinata didn't hook up with Naruto her theme (changing herself) would be wasted, or if she didn't conquer her love interest, she would be devastated.

Hinata's character is more complex than that, and she won't be devastated if she didn't hook up with the boy she had a crush on when she was sixteen. She is stronger than that.

God there's this guy in youtube saying that Sakura is not a main character that she's only the love interest he's annoying me.

Don't mind him. It is obvious he inhabits in an alternate reality of his own fabrication, and any attempts for bringing him down to Earth will be futile.

Claiming Sakura isn't a main character is simply preposterous doesn't make the slightest sense. That character lets his bias clouds his judgement. Therefore he's a fanboy, and arguing with him will be meaningless and very tiresome.

Tearing apart his arguments should be easy, but he will go and on and on, changing his arguments and your bending your words around until you or he get tired.

You would be better off ignoring him.

[ciardha]

You're still arguing about this?

Regardless of whether or not she was cupping his face (which she wasn't because you can clearly see that most of her hand rests on the back or side of his neck)

Err you're the one that is keeping it going Froot. Even though you were proven wrong by the manga Hate to break it to you, but even by your own definition of what constitutes the face, at least half of her hand- her whole palm is cupping his face.

[TwilightLink20xx]

I think Froot is talking about cuping Naruto's face as in with both hands. If that's what she's talking about, then she's right. But you make a great point Ciardha, and that gesture is far from platonic regardless.

[Evil Potato]

Why is the world so against NS? I mean wow, I'm kinda worried about what all the fans of NH and SS will do if NS just so happens to occur. All these people could have picked a less important character to hate, but instead they choose Sakura who is one of the main characters. I fail to understand people.

[dfammer]

It was a" hot hug" now lets move on:)

[Jenskott]

Why is the world so against NS?

My own experience is the canon or most close to canon pairing always gets the bigger hatred.

I mean wow, I'm kinda worried about what all the fans of NH and SS will do if NS just so happens to occur.

Complain and protest and making much noise and ruckus will lead no absolutely nothing.

All these people could have picked a less important character to hate, but instead they choose Sakura who is one of the main characters.

In fact, fanboys/girls use to focus their hatred on main characters rather secondary characters few people cares about and hardly appear.

[Miss Soupy]

Why is the world so against NS? I mean wow, I'm kinda worried about what all the fans of NH and SS will do if NS just so happens to occur. All these people could have picked a less important character to hate, but instead they choose Sakura who is one of the main characters. I fail to understand people.

I think it's the way Kishi handles the romance. He has dragged it on for so long without honestly giving a pairing an un-arguable lead. Over time the fandoms just fester and hope that something will go their way (all the while they must be against the opposing fandoms or be a hypocrite). I think it's about time we had some clear-cut answers on the matter, because things can only get worse otherwise :/ I don't know about other forums, but the Sakura hate at NF seems to be increasing a lot since the confession. I don't really contribute this to it being about NS, but more so about Sakura's bad portrayal in the manga itself. This was then further increased by the recent interviews where Kishi thought realistic girls use their friends feelings against them, which has lead people to say Kishi intends Sakura to be 'detestable'.

Hopefully Kishi can fix what he has done to Sakura by making her more of a heroine like he has promised. I'm pretty confident that he will.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Hence, her plot relevance has utterly vanished.

Anyway, I agree. I always found offensive NH fans claimed if Hinata didn't hook up with Naruto her theme (changing herself) would be wasted, or if she didn't conquer her love interest, she would be devastated.

Hinata's character is more complex than that, and she won't be devastated if she didn't hook up with the boy she had a crush on when she was sixteen. She is stronger than that.

Quoted for truth. Though you do gotta wonder if Hinata feels SOME jealousy towards how close Naruto and Sakura are. She is human after all. XD And it'd only be normal if she felt some jealousy.

Anyhow, I think too that most fans hate NaruSaku just because of how typical it is in terms of usage for its' type of relationship. No more, no less really. XD

Bryon

[ciardha]

I think Froot is talking about cuping Naruto's face as in with both hands. If that's what she's talking about, then she's right.

Nah, I said cupping Naruto's face with one hand while resting her head on his shoulder. I just think Froot likes to keep up debates even after she loses I grew up seeing my dad and his mom debate like that, so after being annoyed at first, then I got amused that it was that kind of debate and played along. Heh, I'm surprised Froot's not debating about Sakura resting her head on Naruto's shoukler, too... But I think the silliness has gone on enough, so let another topic related to narusaku take the floor.

[Hopestar]

That's the way NH rolls guys. As NS becomes closer to becoming canon SS & NH are going absolute crazy. What people need to understand that Naruto is a Japanese story. Therefore events that Kishi comes up it based on Japanese culture not American. We all know the major difference between American & Japanese stories.

Plus its a shonen so NS makes the most sense.
SS & NH are perfect for shojo manga not shonen!

[ciardha]

In fact, fanboys/girls use to focus their hatred on main characters rather secondary characters few people cares about and hardly appear.

From what I've seen across many fandoms over the years-

1)almost always the main female character
2)Especially if she's independent minded and strong willed.

If you look at series where the main girl/woman is more subordinate, and the guy's cheerleader and the lead guy is the dominant one- hardly any attacks on the female character. This goes for shonen, shoujo, US superhero comics, US TV and movies. I think US romance novel readers are about the only segment where subordinate cheerleader girls/women are roundly disliked by the majority of the readers. Some women like Alpha guys, some like gentle sensual Betas, and others like sexy funny romantic Gamma, but the passive main female is roundly disliked. Alpha females are kind of iffy too (they tend to come off too much like male Alpha characters with breasts), passionate, feisty Gamma females are the favorite.

[Strangelove]

As far as i know Ino is a secondary female character...like Temari...and some others...Hinata really falls below that into i guess third place...
I mean i don't like to bash her...but she isn't gonna get much panel time in the future.

Unless Kishi does a filler arc on her and her team. That might be the best way he would please the NH fans out there...even if there won't be much NH to go around.

Edited by Strangelove, 07 January 2010 - 10:30 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

I don't really agree that fanboys are more likely to hate on a lead girl if they are a more strong-willed type. Look at Rukia from bleach who has tons of fanboys. I'd say Sakura is actually one of the few tsundere lead females who is so viciously attacked. I'll never understand how Rukia can beat on Ichigo any time she wishes but Sakura punches Naruto for being a perv and everyone has an issue with 'Sakura the bully'.