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[Askia31]

http://www.narutofor...&postcount=1411

 

 

how did these guys even won again? But after all these interviews, it all makes sense LOL.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

This video is more realistic,romantic and funny at the end.

http:www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9CmDB2uQHE

Edited by NaruSaku fan in Kentucky, 13 December 2014 - 08:37 PM.

[Catwho]

Last night I was at a dinner with some younger anime fans from one of the local universities (my husband is the staff advisor for their club.)  Everyone who knew about the ending of Naruto agreed it was utter BS.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I hope Studio Pierrot learns a lesson not to compromise their storytelling based on online popularity polls. 

Not a chance.

 

http://www.narutofor...&postcount=1411

 

 

how did these guys even won again? But after all these interviews, it all makes sense LOL.

Sometimes I question myself, what can be done to this world if monkeys like those eat anything of this calibr.

[questdrivencollie]

One thing is true....

I don't think there's any argument that Sakura has better character development than Hinata. But if Sakura had been handled better overall, particularly in part one (since that's where people began to like Hinata better than Sakura), then she would have had more fans and probably the NS fandom would have been larger. Sakura has better development in part two, and she's a relatable character...that's why I'm a Sakura fan. But Kishi didn't focus on her enough. She'd get an awesome moment, and then be left alone for a long time. It was all about Naruto and Saskehhhh!.

Edited by questdrivencollie, 13 December 2014 - 08:39 PM.

[Tiller]

Ah screw it. I guess I'll go make my anti-Kishimoto fan club on NF. At this point how can't I? I keep putting it off, but he keeps forcing my hand.

[luffyq1]

disgusting damage control:

 

"I didn't like Neji death but Kishi has made clear since the death of Jiraya and Asuma that killing someone for him is a narrative tool to make someone else stronger or change is point of view and other stuff."

[questdrivencollie]

Not a chance.

 

Sometimes I question myself, what can be done to this world if monkeys like those eat anything of this calibr.

I have to wonder how old they are, and/or how much they know about good writing.

[AHK]

I think it's connected to the part where he "believed" that Sakura didn't become popular no matter what he did and also that he had to draw her many times so she will look pretty.
No wonder Hinata is drawn ugly......

  
What a shallow reason to not have her end up with someone that actually loved and cares for her. This goes to show just how out of touch he was with his fanbase. Hinata was never more popular than Hinata. Ever. This interview really killed his credibility as a writer.

Thanks for clearing it up btw!

All I keep thinking is that after 15 years, Kishimoto must have really begun to hate his story. He just doesn't care. Not in the interviews, not in the manga. Not one character was done right by, except Hinata, and that's only because she got everything without having to lift a finger for it. But he doesn't show any special appreciation for her other than pity. So it's a hollow victory for Hinata.
 
So if Neji died for NH to move forward, then that means that it was about that time he decided to commit to NH as the end pairing. Which would make sense: Hinata's role and the tone of the manga started to change then. This would also put it about the time they were finishing RtN, right? It would make sense the end pairing changed with the decision to extend the manga into a new series. RtN was probably greenlit at a time when NS was still the end pairing. But all that changed afterwards.

  

Yes, in fact the detail about NH being suggested to him is very telling. I've said all along it wasn't a creative decision but a business one. The rights would have been signed away long ago to have so many different versions of the brand. However I think in 'the end' of the manga should be seen as the end of Kishimoto's day-to-day involvement with the series. It will continue, but under different hands and different guidance than just Kishimoto. (Kishimoto will probably retain some limited creative control...along with receiving his fat royalty check.) 
 
The comment about NH being suggested by someone above him is very telling. The downside of sharing the rights, basically creating by committee, is that Kishimoto would not have had a choice. If they decided NH was best for the brand, then that's how it was going to be.
 
And I still believe, no matter what crazy answers he gives in various interviews, that HInata's usurping of heroine status didn't begin until after RtN was pretty far in the works. If NH is going to be the end pairing, why even have RtN? It's not like they care about smoothing over the other pairings. So RtN wasn't a token movie to make NS fans happy.
 
I think, in the end, Kishimoto stopped caring about the plot and the characters. He left the story with the least possible plot explanations, and he gave the vaguest examples of how the pairings ended up. Then he ended it. I think he knew it was out of his control, and that after him the animators and other illustrators were going to take the story in a very different direction. So why even try. There was simply no resolution for any of them. Not even an attempt to tie in their goals or explain why some pairings happened. Sasuke's surprise love for Sakura is a perfect example. It makes zero sense. 
 
I think it's because Kishimoto no longer cared. And for the same reason he's giving terrible interview after terrible interview. None of them speak of any support for the story, or give you the feeling he cares. It's not like listening to JKR, where you get the feeling the author is invested in their work. After every Kishimoto interview I am left thinking, 'Did he actually read what he was producing?' Because it always feels like he's just a guy from the office who occasionally reads Naruto. Not the guy who actually creates the damn thing.
 
His careless attitude about the characters speaks volumes. I think he's an author who no longer cares about his work.

Wish I had more likes, I agree with everything. It's funny, yesterday I was talking to LadyGT and brought up the question: who actually won?

This interview goes to show that nobody won. NH got canon status based on misguided popularity status (it's funny, because this confirms that had Kishi thought Sakura was more popular, NS would have been canon, which is to say it should have been anyway if that was his criteria, as Sakura has always been more popular than Hinata), pity towards Hinata, and guilt on Naruto's part for Neji. Not because Naruto ever loved her. Not because they had any moments together. SS happened only because of NH, not because of either Sasuke or Sakura. They had no development together, Sasuke has done nothing but belittle and try to kill her, and Sakura's character development pulled a Houdini and disappeared. Hell, Kishi even said that it happened because Sakura wasn't as popular as Hinata, so he stuck them together. Hell, all four people in both ships are OOC. So nobody got anything at the end except bitterness.

This interview is actually worse than we thought. It shows that Kishi is not only inept at any semblance of romance, that he doesn't know what real love is, but he isn't even aware of the people he calls fans. His credibility as a writer has been broken beyond repair. The messages he has sent with his ending, and the his interviews are beyond disgusting. Murder to justify a ship? DV being acceptable and would make Sakura a terrible woman for leaving? Repulsive.

Btw, Hinata's character just crashed to a knew low when one considers her reaction after Neji's death when considered in accordance with this interview. She single-handedly destroyed an entire series.

[harry4e]

You know what it's his fault for not know of his target audience outside of Jap. He should have a computer or something to keep him up to date but he wants to live like a kittening hermit. It's no ones fault but Kishi. He had the technology and the time.

 

I agree 100%, the statistics should not matter, you write the story you create, even when someone is writing a fanfic, and start a pole to see who ends up with who, I always tell them to write the pairing they feel is best, not to make it a popularity contest, It's something all writers should know, you make a story your own, you don't make it a popularity contest, you take genuine feedback into consideration, and hope to improve on things in the future, but the story has to remain yours, if you give into the demands of your readers you will create a jumbled mess, that will change from a good piece of fiction to a popularity contest.

[Narufan85]

disgusting damage control:

 

"I didn't like Neji death but Kishi has made clear since the death of Jiraya and Asuma that killing someone for him is a narrative tool to make someone else stronger or change is point of view and other stuff."

 

Kishi needs to take some lessons from George R.R. Martin about the right way to kill someone.

[Suigetsu]

Well, Taka is next later today. TBH I am really scared about what he is going to say about them.

note:Someone should translate that interview, it would be nice.

Edited by Suigetsu, 13 December 2014 - 08:42 PM.

[ichigo500]

disgusting damage control:

 

"I didn't like Neji death but Kishi has made clear since the death of Jiraya and Asuma that killing someone for him is a narrative tool to make someone else stronger or change is point of view and other stuff."

...or to make an underdeveloped pairing canon 

[luffyq1]

One thing is true....

I don't think there's any argument that Sakura has better character development than Hinata. But if Sakura had been handled better overall, particularly in part one (since that's where people began to like Hinata better than Sakura), then she would have had more fans and probably the NS fandom would have been larger. Sakura has better development in part two, and she's a relatable character...that's why I'm a Sakura fan. But Kishi didn't focus on her enough. She'd get an awesome moment, and then be left alone for a long time. It was all about Naruto and Saskehhhh!.

popularity shouldn't have had a hand in any of this. it should not have to come down to which character is more popular. kishi should have stuck to his original plan and not completely deviate from it based off loud fans in the west.

[TouKen4Life3g]

http://bodegacowboy....es-up-on-sakura

 

This does disgust me. I need to get rid of them...

[FireFox]

No Seto isn't pro NH but someone who posted there on a regular basis when it was just an off topic hell hole was. He and I crashed once over it but that was the end of it afterward. It hasn't happened much since, but I think Seto would prefer the thread to go back to it's off topic zaniness it was known as before. Lest that's how it feels to me. Could be way off I suppose.

Ah I see I misunderstood you in there LOL . But yeah don't know how long are you a member but Seto give this explanation long time ago  that  the mods constantly were warning the ANH club to the point of shutting it down   bc of baseless reports from the NH rabid fanatics  so Seto would rather this place goes random  with some ANH  then being shut  I can understand him from this POV  sadly  its all kittened up bc of NH  . 

[questdrivencollie]

popularity shouldn't have had a hand in any of this. it should not have to come down to which character is more popular. kishi should have stuck to his original plan and not completely deviate from it based off loud fans in the west.

Good point.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I have to wonder how old they are, and/or how much they know about good writing.

And I sometimes has strong feelings about starting use stupidity of people, it seems like those people will learn only hard way. Real life gonna punch them right in face with this attitude.

[Askia31]

http://www.narutofor...&postcount=1437 NH VS SS IS REAL, BUT STFU YOURE BOTH kitten LOL.

[Tiller]

Well, Taka is next later today. TBH I am really scared about what he is going to say about them.

note:Someone should translate that interview, it would be nice.

Prepare yourself Suigetsu... I doubt it will be good at this point.