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#3021 Verilance

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 03:40 PM

QUOTE (bthug @ May 8 2011, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a couple if questions, if you guys don't mind answering.

1) Why is the bench scene so relevant to Narusaku?
2) After Naruto saves Sakura from Sasuke, is it true that Sakura goes to hug/kiss Naruto but he faints.
3) How does Sakura feel when Naruto tells her that he will die the next time he fights Sasuke?


Not trying to be flippant but, read the manga it should be your best friend and will answer all of your questions if you want just opinion though that is fine

1 it shows how connected Sakura and Naruto already are despite not really being friends yet, Naruto understands Sakura more than anyone else even then

2) He was poisoned by the Kunai that Sakura was using try to kill Sasuke

3) Probably sad

Edited by Verilance, 08 May 2011 - 03:41 PM.



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#3022 ciardha

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 04:45 PM

QUOTE (Kim @ May 8 2011, 04:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also remembered why I was mad at Kishi. Like Naruto and Sasuke, Sakura is the main character in the series but while the first too are almost equal in strength and are extraordinary in some 'field' in a lack of a better word(ninjutsu, stamina, speed etc.) Sakura is no match for either of them. She is let's say famous for her intelligence and chakra control but it's still considered nothing special. Shikamaru and a few other characters are more intelligent than her. Remember in part 1 in the forest Sasuke(who had a lower grade in intelligence as the databook says) was smarter and understood the situation better and even had to explain every little thing to her because she didn't get it.


Actually, Sakura gets her moments too during the Chunnin exams.

This is when we find out just how intelligent she is- on the written exam she answers every question- something no Genin is supposed to be able to do, and none ever had without cheating. Sasuke takes one look and knows he doesn't know how to answer even one. Sakura is even confident that she can answer them all, and does, she does sort of get it about the cheating- "this test almost forces you to cheat" but she's still not quite getting it about reading underneath the underneath. (Naruto doesn't either.) It takes Tsunade's training for Sakura, and Jiraiya's for Naruto to get them up to that level.

Sasuke and the others understand because most of them come from ninja families that trained them in the ninja arts before they even hit the academy. Guy apparently was a better teacher than Kakashi- he made sure all his team knew about ninjutsu as well as taijutsu, but Lee being an orphan, and Tenten probably being from a non-elite ninja family like Sakura (if not a civilian family- she has no family crest like Sakura does, which leads me to think her family aren't ninja, perhaps, considering her love and skill at weapons, as the anime fillers kind of guess- perhaps she's from a weapons artisans family) still show they have less of a background than the others.

Also in the Forest of Death, although Sasuke starts out strong, he falters badly. Sakura has a really strong moment, where despite her lack of strength and stamina and much lesser skills she is able to battle the Sound ninja and last longer than Lee did against them, even is able to fool the Sound ninja a few times. And when she is caught she doesn''t panic but comes up with a solution that frees herself- we get a foreshadowing of part 2 Sakura. She doesn't let Kin's creepy actions and insulting words throw her any more than she let Sasori's insults at her youth and gender in part 2.

Kishimoto does show Sakura being heroic, showing leadership abilities, but readers tend to skim right over them because they aren't as flashy as Naruto's or Sasuke's. Some readers tend to run down Tsunade too, because she also tends to chose to fight in less flashy ways, and leads that way too- Kishimoto wants readers to take away that both Sakura and Tsunade focus on using their intelligence to it's best advantage in both battle and leadership.

We see this in how Tsunade works with the very hot tempered and show-offy Ei. Tsunade has a temper but she doesn't let it impair her as a leader like Ei does. She carefully considers her decisions. Kishimoto writes Sakura similarly, although her youth makes her emotions cloud her judgement more (as it does for all the younger ninja)

But Sakura shows a remarkable mature calmness of thought and action when she becomes resolved or takes on a leadership role: the battle in the Forest of Death, battling Sasori, during almost all of the Pain arc- she even becomes essentially Hokage for a brief time: ordering an evacuation, taking charge of the search and rescue team for Hinata, and deciding what must be done to save Naruto, her planning on taking down Sasuke (she falls apart a bit facing both Naruto and Sasuke, but the rest of the time she is fiercely resolved but a calm and firm team leader. We see this as well in the one battle scene she participated in this current arc- she firmly tells Lee he's acting dangerously foolish and calmly states what battle formation they need to take.

The reader pattern continues, they've already forgotten Sakura's actions in this arc because they weren't flashy. Tsunade's levelheadedness probably isn't registering either, for the same reason.

However, I do agree it would have been nice to have seen more than a couple of panels at the end of part 1 and couple of panels during the Sasori fight in part 2 of Sakura's training with Tsunade. Perhaps Kishimoto or his editors thought is because it is a shonen manga boys won't be interested in seeing female character training.... we don't really see much of any female characters training- Sakura's training is about the only sole female character's training we've seen. (The only other I can think of is we see the end of a training session of Hinata with her father, that according to her father she is weaker than her sister Hanabi who is five years younger)

Edited by ciardha, 08 May 2011 - 04:53 PM.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 05:44 PM

And remember how during the Orochimaru / Sand attack during the Chunin exams, everyone (below jounin level) was caught in the Genjutsu, except for Sakura (and Shikamaru, who pretended to be asleep.) It shows how good she could be in genjutsu - even Kakashi at some point mentioned it, but I'm so disappointed that Kishi has never made her progress in this area.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 06:21 PM

Actually thats a good idea especially for medics they can't waste their chakra fighting but they need to defend themselves and taijutsu's too risky you could easily get killed to be honest So trapping them in illusions and knocking them out would be way easier but again gentutsu might be just as costly on one's chakra as ninjutsu but still worth having Sakura learn them yeah cool.gif and for sure Sakura has had development its just over looked because its not as excessive and over the top like Naruto or Sasuke but what people want is for her to have big fight scenes and flashy new techniques at her disposal I bet which is why people say she's useless or unimportant but I would say to that "NO LESS THAN YOUR PRECIOUS PRINCESS HINATA!!!" rawr.gif not saying I dislike her but People are always raving about how great Hinata is but completely bash and insult Sakura and anything degrading said to her should apply a hundred-fold to Hinata because she has even less significance to the plot; People say Sakura is stupid I say She is one of the most intelligent characters in the series, they say she's useless I would counter "well has Hinata ever ever done anything important hmm?!" "In fact has she ever even won a fight when it mattered?" They say Sakura is a b***h for hurting Naruto I would ultimately say WELL has Hinata even talked to Naruto or even comfort him when he was down? she was too insecure about her own feelings to even talk to the guy for five minutes! And Sakura is being much warmer and loving to him now, and if they rant about the fillers I would go" Well if fillers are so important why Hasn't NaruHina happened by now?!" OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! rawr.gif ( answer that at least)

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 06:40 PM

QUOTE (Madz @ May 8 2011, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And remember how during the Orochimaru / Sand attack during the Chunin exams, everyone (below jounin level) was caught in the Genjutsu, except for Sakura (and Shikamaru, who pretended to be asleep.) It shows how good she could be in genjutsu - even Kakashi at some point mentioned it, but I'm so disappointed that Kishi has never made her progress in this area.

That's because Sakura is a genjutsu type. Even though I've never seen her casting her own genjutsu on others, it's kinda great that she has the ability not to be trapped in it.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 06:42 PM

QUOTE (Madz @ May 8 2011, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And remember how during the Orochimaru / Sand attack during the Chunin exams, everyone (below jounin level) was caught in the Genjutsu, except for Sakura (and Shikamaru, who pretended to be asleep.) It shows how good she could be in genjutsu - even Kakashi at some point mentioned it, but I'm so disappointed that Kishi has never made her progress in this area.


Actually, he did show that, but it's done not in flashy way- remember when they encountered the Itachi clone? Even Kakashi starts to fall under the genjutsu but Sakura is completely resistant. So even she's even able to repel a genjutsu powerful enough to start to pull Kakashi in. And the resistance to Kabuto's in part 1 was partly natural, she didn't even notice what was happening at first, then when she notices she performs the "release" technique Kakashi taught her. That and her ability to throw off Ino's possession with her inner self, and the noting early on in part 1 that Sakura was an genjutsu type (before we saw any examples of any mental jutsu ability) makes me strongly feel that what a young Sakura personified into a "inner self" is actually her genjustu ability- a defensive genjutsu ability that can throw off or resist any mental attacks. This type inner self is unique to Sakura (Ino was completely shocked to directly encounter it. I was annoyed at the anime ignorantly giving other female characters this inner self in fillers when no such thing exists in the manga. it is Sakura's alone.)

Pure speculation here- and likely her tied into her clan's mostly forgotten secret ability- which would explain how Kakashi knew she was a genjutsu type with her showing no outward ability in that area, he would have had access to quite a bit of info on her clan as her Genin sensei.) Readers have wondered why Sakura was put on Team 7, Kishimoto gives a reason for Naruto and Sasuke but gives none for Sakura. Is he holding back info on her family like he did about Naruto's, until it becomes a point in the story? Was her clan in the distant past known for being the only clan with a defensive genjutsu ability strong enough to resist even the most powerful Uchiha genjutsu- was that how the Haruno clan came to be allied with the Senju? If Hiruzen knew of this clan ability, he could have had Sakura placed on that team for that reason. (Now I'm getting an urge to do a past generation fanfic about the Haruno clan laugh.gif

I hope Kishimoto does do something like this for Sakura.

Edited by ciardha, 08 May 2011 - 07:07 PM.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 06:45 PM

Great break down of Sakura you guys.

So I was looking up stuff on Sakura and I found this about her "inner Forehead"

http://www.narutoima...o1948784775.jpg

Apparently it says Uchi Naru Sakura. Is that ironic? Maybe just a coincidence? Maybe done on purpose.

I mean it says NARU then SAKURA, I'm probably reading to much in to this, but it's funny how the pairing is called Narusaku.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 06:53 PM

QUOTE (bthug @ May 8 2011, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Great break down of Sakura you guys.

So I was looking up stuff on Sakura and I found this about her "inner Forehead"

http://www.narutoima...o1948784775.jpg

Apparently it says Uchi Naru Sakura. Is that ironic? Maybe just a coincidence? Maybe done on purpose.

I mean it says NARU then SAKURA, I'm probably reading to much in to this, but it's funny how the pairing is called Narusaku.

I think it's just a coincidence, because 内なる (Uchi Naru) means 'inner', and has nothing to do with NaruSaku (pairing).

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 08:03 PM

Yea I know but, its pretty ironic.

Anyway I was watching Troy and I had a thought what if what happened in troy happens in Naruto. (it won't, but it would be cool to see)

The scene where Achilles calls out HECTOR!!!!! from outside the Trojan walls and then they duel in the front.

What if sasuke comes to the leaf village walls and yells out NARUTOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Then they battle and Naruto wins then he drags sasuke back into the village. ( I haven't filled in the blanks, but I thought it was a cool idea.) We could throw in a bunch of Narusaku moments, like Sakura asking/crying not to go and the last moments they think they have with each other.

Another moment I really want to see, cause it happens a lot in anime/manga is if Naruto or Sakura falls on top of the other one/ or their just really close and they have one of those awkward moments where their blushing.

Also if Naruto took like a bunch of kunai, to his back for Sakura like he did for Sora.

Maybe holding hands would be nice, like Naruto grabs her hand and runs with her.

Also I just a clip from movie 3 and I know its a filler and doesnt count, but theirs a sweet Narusaku moment.
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Posted 08 May 2011 - 11:29 PM

QUOTE (ciardha @ May 9 2011, 02:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, he did show that, but it's done not in flashy way- remember when they encountered the Itachi clone? Even Kakashi starts to fall under the genjutsu but Sakura is completely resistant. So even she's even able to repel a genjutsu powerful enough to start to pull Kakashi in. And the resistance to Kabuto's in part 1 was partly natural, she didn't even notice what was happening at first, then when she notices she performs the "release" technique Kakashi taught her. That and her ability to throw off Ino's possession with her inner self, and the noting early on in part 1 that Sakura was an genjutsu type (before we saw any examples of any mental jutsu ability) makes me strongly feel that what a young Sakura personified into a "inner self" is actually her genjustu ability- a defensive genjutsu ability that can throw off or resist any mental attacks. This type inner self is unique to Sakura (Ino was completely shocked to directly encounter it. I was annoyed at the anime ignorantly giving other female characters this inner self in fillers when no such thing exists in the manga. it is Sakura's alone.)

Pure speculation here- and likely her tied into her clan's mostly forgotten secret ability- which would explain how Kakashi knew she was a genjutsu type with her showing no outward ability in that area, he would have had access to quite a bit of info on her clan as her Genin sensei.) Readers have wondered why Sakura was put on Team 7, Kishimoto gives a reason for Naruto and Sasuke but gives none for Sakura. Is he holding back info on her family like he did about Naruto's, until it becomes a point in the story? Was her clan in the distant past known for being the only clan with a defensive genjutsu ability strong enough to resist even the most powerful Uchiha genjutsu- was that how the Haruno clan came to be allied with the Senju? If Hiruzen knew of this clan ability, he could have had Sakura placed on that team for that reason. (Now I'm getting an urge to do a past generation fanfic about the Haruno clan laugh.gif

I hope Kishimoto does do something like this for Sakura.


I agree with this. The inner Sakura is the "physical" representation of her mental state. The inner Sakura being strong and violent means she can fight off any mental attacks as shown with Ino in the Chunin exam arc. That said I'm not sure whether this is an ability specific to Sakura or her clan. But seeing in the whole series that the ninjas inherit their unique powers from their clan, it should be that Haruno clan specializes in mental resistance. If that's the case, she's being assigned to Team 7 should be because of Uchiha clan's genjutsu. The 3rd Hokage foresaw that Itachi would come for Sasuke hence Sakura being there would help the situation since she's immune to one of Itachi's powerful ability the genjutsu. As for whether we'll get an explanation of her clan later in the story, well it seems unlikely seeing the current condition of the manga. Maybe Iruka and Sakura would work together and he would have a flashback of him and the Sandaime discussing/explaining Sakura being assigned to Team 7.

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 02:58 AM

An interesting theory But there is one fact we can't Deny Inner Sakura was for comedy too and Naruto helped her during her match with Ino for sure wow.png

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 03:31 AM

inner sakura being used like that would be awesome. heck, if sakura is able to disable a powerful genjutsu in this war and help naruto that would be even awesomer....(if both were combined that would be epic!! wow.png )

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 04:33 AM

Speaking of Sakura being able to withstand genjutsu, what if Madara managed to successfully cast his Infinite Tsukuyomi and the whole shinobi world got affected except for Sakura. She then helps Naruto and Sasuke snap out of it. That will prove Sakura to be a very important character. Sakura hasn't done really significant things but if she is able to do this her rank of importance as a character would skyrocket. She does have the potential to do epic things being in Team 7. I hope Kishi not putting Sakura in too much limelight is because he's reserving her to do some great things at the end like what I have suggested.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 09 May 2011 - 04:36 AM.

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 04:53 AM

QUOTE (Darth Krypt @ May 8 2011, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with this. The inner Sakura is the "physical" representation of her mental state. The inner Sakura being strong and violent means she can fight off any mental attacks as shown with Ino in the Chunin exam arc. That said I'm not sure whether this is an ability specific to Sakura or her clan. But seeing in the whole series that the ninjas inherit their unique powers from their clan, it should be that Haruno clan specializes in mental resistance. If that's the case, she's being assigned to Team 7 should be because of Uchiha clan's genjutsu. The 3rd Hokage foresaw that Itachi would come for Sasuke hence Sakura being there would help the situation since she's immune to one of Itachi's powerful ability the genjutsu. As for whether we'll get an explanation of her clan later in the story, well it seems unlikely seeing the current condition of the manga. Maybe Iruka and Sakura would work together and he would have a flashback of him and the Sandaime discussing/explaining Sakura being assigned to Team 7.



Look at all the backstory/world building stuff he's revealed in this arc, Kishimoto could even wait till the final arc to do something like that for Sakura. (Not that we wouldn't feel frustrated and wish it had been revealed sooner, though if he does.) With any luck he will do something that gives her a clan background, it kind of leads to the mistaken impression amongst readers that she isn't the main female character since he's revealed family backgrounds for all the other main characters, and many of the support ones, of their age peers only Tenten's probable living family is mystery. Lee is an orphan and Guy is basically his father, he's not meant to have anything more. The impression is Sai was an orphan too- he has no memory of his life before Root. There is a possible mystery with his family background due to his strong resemblance to the Uchiha clan that Kishimoto hinted at, but Sakura's family is even more shadowed. The Haruno family is a ninja clan- she has a ninja family crest, and Shikamaru's words about vengeance points toward them being ninja, but that's it, other than we know they were extremely strict with her as child. They didn't even attend the Chunin exams when Sakura was in it that we saw. I will criticize Kishimoto for not showing at least one of Sakura's parents there when she was battling Ino. That looked off and was a missed opportunity to add to Sakura's character.
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Posted 09 May 2011 - 04:56 AM

If Sakura's "inner self" is THAT strong, there's no doubt she would have nearly become the perfect Jinchuuriki if she had been one. She could become something close to Killer Bee until Bee teaches her how to control the chakra. (And she already has perfect chakra control she'd probably finish the training Naruto is supposed to be going through now in a flash.)

Now that I think about it, I kinda wonder should this trait be passed on to their descendants, that descendant who's inherited her "inner personality" would be chosen as the next Jinchuuriki.

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 05:18 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ May 9 2011, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I will criticize Kishimoto for not showing at least one of Sakura's parents there when she was battling Ino. That looked off and was a missed opportunity to add to Sakura's character.


Sakura battles Ino in the preliminary rounds. There weren't any audience there, only the participants and their Jounin teachers. So its understandable that we don't have a chance to see one of her parents.

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 05:39 AM

QUOTE (Darth Krypt @ May 9 2011, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Speaking of Sakura being able to withstand genjutsu, what if Madara managed to successfully cast his Infinite Tsukuyomi and the whole shinobi world got affected except for Sakura. She then helps Naruto and Sasuke snap out of it. That will prove Sakura to be a very important character. Sakura hasn't done really significant things but if she is able to do this her rank of importance as a character would skyrocket. She does have the potential to do epic things being in Team 7. I hope Kishi not putting Sakura in too much limelight is because he's reserving her to do some great things at the end like what I have suggested.


Oooh I like that. (likely others too though) It would fit in with the bits we've seen about her skills and would be a fantastic way to fulfill that "more heroic" role he said he would give her from then on (at the Jump Festa 2009 interview)


QUOTE (Codus N @ May 9 2011, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Sakura's "inner self" is THAT strong, there's no doubt she would have nearly become the perfect Jinchuuriki if she had been one. She could become something close to Killer Bee until Bee teaches her how to control the chakra. (And she already has perfect chakra control she'd probably finish the training Naruto is supposed to be going through now in a flash.)

Now that I think about it, I kinda wonder should this trait be passed on to their descendants, that descendant who's inherited her "inner personality" would be chosen as the next Jinchuuriki.


That's a great point, a person with Naruto and Sakura's inner traits probably would make the best possible Jinchuuriki.

Edited by ciardha, 09 May 2011 - 05:41 AM.

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 07:05 AM

QUOTE (Kim @ May 8 2011, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I consider that pretty cool, too but I'd like to see her actually cast one. I wonder why she's never tried it since she has a natural preference. I also like to see this as her personal trait, not something she inherited from her clan(I don't know why, maybe I tent to see her as Hermione and without realizing it mix their traits). Btw, I don't think we'll see any of her family history, it's too late in the story. That's I guess irrelevant and left to our imagination.

For me, genjutsu is the most 'cruel' way to attack your opponent. Games with mind and soul are scary and extremely dangerous. And I'm sure Sakura is well aware of it: remember that moment in the Forest of Death, when Orochimaru used genjutsu to 'show' Sakura and Sasuke their 'death'. No need for words, just look at her reaction. SO, maybe it's the reason why she doesn't want to use it..

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 01:57 PM

This topic is so pure of win. I agree with all your statements here. I don't know what to add in, but all I can say is that I can't wait anymore for next NaruSaku moment. ^^ Naruto finally in War, Sakura there too. Like! biggrin.gif

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Posted 09 May 2011 - 05:02 PM

Honestly I don't care too much for Sakura development, of course some is good,but it's not like I crave it like I crave Narusaku moments. Althought, I do see Sakura doing something real big, like being the one that kills Sasuke or Madara ( more so Madara) when their blindsided of course. I hope in the war we get a lot of Narusaku moments, especially those life saving, I'm here for you moments.




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