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#3021 Bail o' Lies

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Posted 21 October 2017 - 08:05 PM

 

Erina has never been the antagonist, she's been the rival of sorts, she's never done anything to antagonise them, her actions were down to her conflicted feeling, where Souma's techniques clashed with her teachings. even the Kuga battle, you couldn't consider him the Antagonist as it was Souma that sought him out and challenged him, Kuma was a competition, these two would not have been considered antagonists even if they had joined the Elite 10 (well we would likely see a personality shift from Erina as she'd likely be emotionally cut off under the control of her father.)

 

Even now the rest of the elite 10 seem to behave like competitors than actual antagonists, so he just sticks out like a sore thumb, this is the fault of the manga by design. Concentrating on Eizen would be fine if not for him already being shown to have been beaten at his own game, the Karage arc, the dorm closure arc, these are all defeats by him, and lets not forget Eizen is the weakest member of the Elite members, and even if he is the only one that behaves like a antagonist, he's still the weakest link (after the throw away members in the first round).

 

We've already been given details of his underhanded techniques, we had it pointed how he is known as the alchemist in both his previous defeats, so there was really nothing new to bring to the table, if anything this should have been a perfect opportunity to show him use his alchemist ability to defeat Takumi on talent alone instead of using underhanded techniques, we could see clearly his defeat to Souma affected him, so it would be fair to see him go beyond his usual tactics to secure a win, but instead the mangaka chose to have him stand still.

 

This was done to so show Takumi has overcome his previous lost where he was baited into making a error and walking into the trap the copy-cat had set for him...instead he took what he leart in that loss and baited Eizen into walking into the trap he had set. I guess the moral about this match is learning from your losses, Eizen didn't where Takumi did.

She was the closest thing we had to a main antagonist other then the school itself (which she is a representative of) until Azami came.

 

She was an antagonist is as much as she wanted Souma out of the school, and she represented "the elitism problem that the school has." Which is also why she rarely tried anything to ever try to get him thrown out. Since she figure that he was so unworthy of being in the school; that he would be thrown out on his own because of his own worthlessness. Then Souma surprised everyone when he was able to surpasses expectations.

 

She wasn't much of a rival at the time because two reason; her skills were so beyond the rest of the cast -when Akira won the Autumn election he said he was now the second best first year behind Erina-, and Souma's goal of making her admit his food was good made her a goal. Now that she is on the main cast side she is now; a rival, a love interest, the main heroine, and one of Souma's goals.

 

To be honest the Elite ten if this was another manga/anime would have been the main protagonists if this was an anime of all powerful student council in a cooking school. As for Eizen, the thing is that each of those previous clashes were not him going all out in a cooking battle; the first one was against his business skills, then by using one of his minions, and then against his attempt to make someone buckle under outside pressure. So this is the "final defeat of a recurring villain." Again he is the closest member of the group that comes of as completely dis-likable, and who the audience wants to see defeated.

 

And your correct about the Takumi getting revenge for his previous defeats, and the moral.



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Posted 27 October 2017 - 04:20 PM

this chapter made me hungry for pizza... Well I know what i'm getting for dinner tonight :D 


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Posted 27 October 2017 - 10:22 PM

I do like my four cheese Pizza's (not those selected but do like the 4 cheess,), though I'm pretty sure the frozen pizza's I buy for a £1 quite compare to the one Takumi made, there must be a big gap in quality of Pizza's as I've never considered a Pizza capable of beating a top chefs regular dish.

 

I was planning on making a sandwich but I think i'll go for a pizza instead,


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Posted 27 October 2017 - 11:03 PM

I do like my four cheese Pizza's (not those selected but do like the 4 cheess,), though I'm pretty sure the frozen pizza's I buy for a £1 quite compare to the one Takumi made, there must be a big gap in quality of Pizza's as I've never considered a Pizza capable of beating a top chefs regular dish.

 

I was planning on making a sandwich but I think i'll go for a pizza instead,

 

Sounds like a good plan.. I'm getting mine in a couple hours. 


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Posted 27 October 2017 - 11:15 PM

I do like my four cheese Pizza's (not those selected but do like the 4 cheess,), though I'm pretty sure the frozen pizza's I buy for a £1 quite compare to the one Takumi made, there must be a big gap in quality of Pizza's as I've never considered a Pizza capable of beating a top chefs regular dish.

 

I was planning on making a sandwich but I think i'll go for a pizza instead,

 

And THAT made hungry for Pizza tomorrow!!!!! XD


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Posted 28 October 2017 - 07:31 AM

I do like my four cheese Pizza's (not those selected but do like the 4 cheess,), though I'm pretty sure the frozen pizza's I buy for a £1 quite compare to the one Takumi made, there must be a big gap in quality of Pizza's as I've never considered a Pizza capable of beating a top chefs regular dish.
 
I was planning on making a sandwich but I think i'll go for a pizza instead,


Takumi adding the black pepper on top makes perfect sense, since just the 4 cheeses alone would've made the other half overpowering, but adding the black pepper also stimulates their appetite too.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 07:14 PM

I wanna try Takumi's pizza so badly. I'm starting to like him a lot more ever since this arc has started. It feels a lot more satisfying to see him beat Eizan than Soma did a while ago.


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 09:50 PM

because that way Takumi gets closure :smile:


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 01:48 AM

because that way Takumi gets closure :smile:

I remember back then being like: Hmm, Takumi is getting shifted a lot- but that was prob more b/c of the heavy focus on Erina.

Now on to hoping Megumi beating chibi bake girl!


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Posted 01 November 2017 - 04:53 PM

Yeah, me too. Otherwise I find it rather pointless for Senzaemon to say Megumi has so much potential and how she goes through so much character development only to lose every major fight when Soma always get plot armor passes when supposedly fighting a much better opponent when there are "STAKES".  


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Posted 02 November 2017 - 01:37 PM

Yeah, me too. Otherwise I find it rather pointless for Senzaemon to say Megumi has so much potential and how she goes through so much character development only to lose every major fight when Soma always get plot armor passes when supposedly fighting a much better opponent when there are "STAKES".  

 

I don't understand where her losing comes from? Who has she lost to since Souma's gave her a confidence boost? She got unfairly expelled, but it was her own cooking that got her to change the examiners mind,  She lost to Ryo in the competition, someone who at the time was one of the best students in the year, in a competition where he had the advantage. Also depending on how you read the final, he beat Souma as well.

 

After that has she lost? She was with Souma during the festival, and helped him overcome the odds, and I can't remember but I think she helped keep her club from being disbanded, and after that's she's managed to survive till now. So I would say she's only really lost once in this manga so far, she's just not had many battles of late.

 

The way they've set up the battle, point towards her lost, if she also wins then it reduces the impact Souma's dish will have, and she is up against the number 3 seat in a battle that heavily favours the opponent. Her win is unrealistic and makes Takumi's win kinda insignificant in comparison, a number 7 seat who relies on cheap tricks is not close to a number 3 seat who is in her element...If Megumi won, I'd put her win achievement beyond than anyone else on the rebel side, even the upcoming battle against the number 1 and 2 seat, Erina and Isshiki are already touted as future number one and two seats, so their win would not even come close to a student who was one grade away from winning.

 

While I would like to see Megumi win, I think I'd be disappointed as well, it's unrealistic, if Momo was a fifth or sixth seat, I could see it but a 3rd seat? No chance, Besides what would be the point of having Souma's battle last if he's up against the 4th seat who is still exhausted against from his previous battle? A win would not be impressive in comparison, and a lost would make him look like he's fallen behind Megumi.


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Posted 02 November 2017 - 03:19 PM

How many times have we seen her in an actual cooking match? Counting this one 3 times, maybe? Win or lose it fine. We still got at least two more years in-story for her to come into her own.


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Posted 03 November 2017 - 12:30 AM

Anyone else underwhelmed by Momo's desert? I don't know I expected that considering she is the current third seat, she'd have a stronger focus, yet it felt like they just threw a quick chapter in, Eizen gets multiple chapters and even a unneeded flashback, and Momo barely gets enough content to fill out one chapter.

 

So maybe Megumi winning isn't completely out of the question, because it didn't feel like Momo's dish had the impact of someone who is the best in her class in that field. Maybe this is the limitation of the chef they are partnered with, who don't specialise in that field, or maybe it's meant to show that she didn't take her opponent seriously, either way Megumi winning wouldn't be out of the question....it would be blow to the rebels if Souma loses, so maybe that's the angle they are aiming for, have them start on a high and then have the core of the group lose...it could send them in a bit of a panic., it could also open up an avenue for the manga to go in after this arc is over.


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Posted 04 November 2017 - 02:44 AM

Well IF Megumi wins, Good. :smile:


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 06:05 PM

She might actually win this if that twist next chapter works to put her over the top.



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Posted 10 November 2017 - 07:35 PM

She's certainly learn't allot from Souma, even the way the chapter ended was pretty much spot on with how we often see Souma's chapters end with the cliffhanger.

 

Is looking like Momo will lose this, it's almost ridiculous how little focus she was given, even that throwaway Italian chef was given more focus. She seems like a interesting little creature, yet when she was put on the stage, she was rarely given any time.

 

Though this does beg the question, if Megumi does win, does that mean Souma has to be the sacrificial lamb from the three?


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 11:29 PM

It'd be awesome if it was. OR it becomes a sweep, Megumi Takumi and Satoshi lose to Rindou and Tsukasa, and then Soma and Erina win it for the team :zaru: I feel so in a sense


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 11:54 PM

MEGUMI!!!!  THAT WAS AMAZING :D 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 12:43 AM

Sad Megumi gonna lose , but she got good development.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:23 PM

I honestly have to say that I'm a bit disappointed how "simple looking" the deserts are, both Momo and Megumi. Some is the one I usually associate with simple-looking dishes cause his background justifies it.


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