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[Gravenimage]

noy saying that this could be the outcome but look at the feedind scine ine manga in our culture that is conciderd not romantic but in japan it is but somthing like that.
But what leads most of belive is that all the actions to this point go tords to romantic or kish is pulling
a (red Haring) witch i very much dought because it would mess up his work in development so far it leads me to belive sakura dose have feelings for naruto more than a friend i belive she is geting oversasuke but still has some lingering feelings kish said hed end the manga with one pairing i havent seen any other development yet becides ns

i understand soupy about the posible outcomes and possibilitys but it dosent seam likly to go that way easy kish has ben setting all this up not to have it knocked down without messing with the plot set up
there i have to agree with twilight

I have to agree with you Kishi has been slowly developing Naru/Saku for too long so that out of nowhere he completely ignores it from happening. Because if he didn't wanted a pairing then what's the point in developing a powerful bond of friendship between Naruto and Sakura that will eventually evolve into something more?

Edited by Gravenimage, 06 January 2010 - 02:42 AM.

[Froot]

kish said hed end the manga with one pairing

Is this true? Soupy, I know you mentioned this once, but has it been confirmed irrefutably? We've all seen how poorly things can be translated or interpreted.

If it is true, then, if the NH/SS fans' theories are correct, and they can't happen without each other, NaruSaku will be the end pairing. I know you mentioned this, too, Soupy, but I've just begun to really think about that. Usually, I don't like going by the interviews either, but if what Kishi said was true, all it is is just a narrowing down of pairings.

I am almost certain SasuSaku is dead; There's no way Kishi is going to have Sakura say and acknowledge these things about Sasuke being a criminal and how he hurt her so and how dangerous he is to Naruto then go and "be" with him. No, he couldn't do that to his characters. Poor Naruto will basially have been royally spat on, Sakura will become a borderline villain that I would even begin to dislike, (which is a contradiction to what Kishi said in our favorite interview yet, the Jump Festa interview, if they're going to play that card) and Sasuke, well... He doesn't even like Sakura.

As for NaruHina, I'm afraid I'm not quite so confident, but when we compare it to NaruSaku, NaruSaku seems canon already, what with the mutual romantic feelings and sure, steady development 400+ chapters in. No matter how big the confession was, it doesn't match that. Not realistically, at least.

[Miss Soupy]

Is this true? Soupy, I know you mentioned this once, but has it been confirmed irrefutably? We've all seen how poorly things can be translated or interpreted.

It's an official interview translated for American fans, so yes it is irrefutably confirmed that he mentions this. However, his wording is "Maybe at least one case will be requited".

Soooo who knows XD

If it is true, then, if the NH/SS fans' theories are correct, and they can't happen without each other, NaruSaku will be the end pairing. I know you mentioned this, too, Soupy, but I've just begun to really think about that. Usually, I don't like going by the interviews either, but if what Kishi said was true, all it is is just a narrowing down of pairings.

Yeah, it is becoming quite apparent that NH cannot stand without SS happening. Naruto would need something huge to fall out of love with Sakura. I can't see it happening unless Sakura was permanently with Sasuke, which, to me, is still pretty unlikely.

[TwilightLink20xx]

^In that case, he's proverbally promising at least one of the one-sided crushes will become cannon. (We all know what maybe tends to mean when authors are feeling adventuresome)

And honestly, I've talked with a bunch of my friends about this, and the fact of the matter is that it's either going to be Sakura or nothing for Naruto. He's invested his heart in her already, I just can't see him changing his mind and "moving on" at all, there's been too much for that to truly be feasible (at least from a fiction standpoint).

Edited by TwilightLink20xx, 06 January 2010 - 04:28 AM.

[Gravenimage]

like you said if sakurawent with sasuke it wouldgo agenst everything kish set up heck id evom hate her and shes my fav and NH i think is already dead with kish geting mad at the NH grup it dosent seam likly ether

I agree with you I can imagine poor Kishi. He creates his heroine and all of the sudden everyone outside of his country are hating her, bashing her and flaming her like there's no tomorrow all because she's" supposedly " in the way of making N/H canon. Which that is wrong N/H fans may not realize this but the one who is preventing from making their one sided pairing canon is Naruto himself. Kishi must be feeling happy that he creates his heroine and he believes he has done a good job in her character development and all of the sudden he receives angry fan mail from N/H fans saying how wonderful Hinata is and how awful Sakura is. He must have become so puzzle when he reads that everyone is supporting the side character who doesn't brings NOTHING relevant to the main story line and they hate his heroine with a passion like she was the devil incarnate. So yeah Kishi must have felt angry, annoyed and irritated that these fans don't see Sakura's potential and her matureness because he realized that these fans only wants to see his main character together with the side character even when they have seen the WHOLE development he has done between Naruto and Sakura throughout the entire manga.

My guess is that Kishi is going to annoy those N/H fans the same way they annoyed him its time for some payback. That's why I believe he made that comment of "everyone chanting Hinata Hinata" and the fact that he decided to focus more on Sakura's heroine role. From the looks of it I think Kishi is not planning in making Hinata show up in his manga for a while just to annoy the N/H fans.

Edited by Gravenimage, 06 January 2010 - 12:14 PM.

[fireandice]

@Gravenimage

I agree, sometimes I think Sakura has been unfairly bashed. Hinata was praised for "sacrificing her life for Naruto"- when in truth she didn't really help and almost made things worse if it weren't for Minato. (If she were to really help she should have tried to remove the chakra rods or distract Pain so Naruto could try to get free, not get herself one-shotted by him e.g) I like Sakura as a whole precisely because of her flaws. She was a rather shallow girl at the start of Naruto with tunnel vision for Sasuke, but she's clearly shown how's she changed and matured.

IMO, as I've said earlier, looking at how Sasuke looks to be beyond redemption, and to have Sakura still end up with him would seem really unfair to Naruto after all he's done. Considering the current lack of development with NaruHina, if Naruto ends up with Hinata it's really a "consolation prize feel". Like many of you said, I do not see NaruHina happening unless SasuSaku does- and Kishi appears to be steering away from SasuSaku. It's natural Sakura still cares for Sasuke, she's only human after all, but I do not see a building up towards eventual SasuSaku.

If I look at it, there's really been a lot of development for NaruSaku and close to none for NaruHina- I mean on both Naruto and Sakura's side. I'll admit I'm also quite a sucker for the kind of relationship when a man and a woman become more than just good friends

I don't know, but where I live, (I'm Asian ) my friends prefer NaruSaku...they didn't see the hug as a friendly or sibling hug but clearly an indication of a romantic, not platonic love. We don't hug random guys here and expect not to be teased about it I do get the impression that also in Japan, NaruSaku (though of course I might be wrong) is more popular...for you guys in the US/Europe or elsewhere, is it the trend that NaruHina and SasuSaku is more popular? I don't know, I just like the dynamic of NaruSaku more, I find NaruHina abit ehh...like Hinata's always so shy, and Naruto ends up talking over her for example, compared to Naruto and Sakura who interact more naturally.

Edited by fireandice, 06 January 2010 - 12:46 PM.

[tekopi]

@Gravenimage

I agree, sometimes I think Sakura has been unfairly bashed. Hinata was praised for "sacrificing her life for Naruto"- when in truth she didn't really help and almost made things worse if it weren't for Minato. (If she were to really help she should have tried to remove the chakra rods or distract Pain so Naruto could try to get free, not get herself one-shotted by him e.g) I like Sakura as a whole precisely because of her flaws. She was a rather shallow girl at the start of Naruto with tunnel vision for Sasuke, but she's clearly shown how's she changed and matured.

IMO, as I've said earlier, looking at how Sasuke looks to be beyond redemption, and to have Sakura still end up with him would seem really unfair to Naruto after all he's done. Considering the current lack of development with NaruHina, if Naruto ends up with Hinata it's really a "consolation prize feel". Like many of you said, I do not see NaruHina happening unless SasuSaku does- and Kishi appears to be steering away from SasuSaku. It's natural Sakura still cares for Sasuke, she's only human after all, but I do not see a building up towards eventual SasuSaku.

If I look at it, there's really been a lot of development for NaruSaku and close to none for NaruHina- I mean on both Naruto and Sakura's side. I'll admit I'm also quite a sucker for the kind of relationship when a man and a woman become more than just good friends

I don't know, but where I live, (I'm Asian ) my friends prefer NaruSaku...they didn't see the hug as a friendly or sibling hug but clearly an indication of a romantic, not platonic love. We don't hug random guys here and expect not to be teased about it I do get the impression that also in Japan, NaruSaku (though of course I might be wrong) is more popular...for you guys in the US/Europe or elsewhere, is it the trend that NaruHina and SasuSaku is more popular? I don't know, I just like the dynamic of NaruSaku more, I find NaruHina abit ehh...like Hinata's always so shy, and Naruto ends up talking over her for example, compared to Naruto and Sakura who interact more naturally.

I agree totally.
most of the time I just sit back, read and be in a white zone.
but one thing that i agree is that Kishi is adopting his culture in the manga.
thus by right, hugging scene that occur between Sakura and Naruto is, to put it in a sense, considered to be romantic.
not all asian prefer the way of the western, as an addition, Kishimoto-san himself stated earlier that he is sucker in making a love scene.
to put it simple, he will use the classic way to show which is the most possible canon

slow progress + confession = possible canon

I am asian, and a girl, but I am a supporter for this 'infamous (since SS and NH pairing is said to be famous) ' pairing N/S. I do not fell for the kind of fangirl disease, but I am more of a person who sees things that is most probably to be a reality. In this case, the NS pairing.

[Froot]

It's an official interview translated for American fans, so yes it is irrefutably confirmed that he mentions this. However, his wording is "Maybe at least one case will be requited".

Soooo who knows XD

Ah. That's a big Maybe. But thanks.

Yeah, it is becoming quite apparent that NH cannot stand without SS happening. Naruto would need something huge to fall out of love with Sakura. I can't see it happening unless Sakura was permanently with Sasuke, which, to me, is still pretty unlikely.

It would make him seem shallow to me to just "fall out of love" like that, and I can't see it happening no matter how hard I squint. If they're going to criticize Sakura for being "shallow" why do they wish that Naruto would do the very same thing?

And honestly, I've talked with a bunch of my friends about this, and the fact of the matter is that it's either going to be Sakura or nothing for Naruto. He's invested his heart in her already, I just can't see him changing his mind and "moving on" at all, there's been too much for that to truly be feasible (at least from a fiction standpoint).

Right. After all this investment, he's going to run iff with Hinata? I don't think so. Both of their feelings have been openly stated and confirmed, something that no other pairing has.

I agree with you I can imagine poor Kishi. He creates his heroine and all of the sudden everyone outside of his country are hating her, bashing her and flaming her like there's no tomorrow all because she's" supposedly " in the way of making N/H canon. Which that is wrong N/H fans may not realize this but the one who is preventing from making their one sided pairing canon is Naruto himself. Kishi must be feeling happy that he creates his heroine and he believes he has done a good job in her character development and all of the sudden he receives angry fan mail from N/H fans saying how wonderful Hinata is and how awful Sakura is. He must have become so puzzle when he reads that everyone is supporting the side character who doesn't brings NOTHING relevant to the main story line and they hate his heroine with a passion like she was the devil incarnate. So yeah Kishi must have felt angry, annoyed and irritated that these fans don't see Sakura's potential and her matureness because he realized that these fans only wants to see his main character together with the side character even when they have seen the WHOLE development he has done between Naruto and Sakura throughout the entire manga.

My guess is that Kishi is going to annoy those N/H fans the same way they annoyed him its time for some payback. That's why I believe he made that comment of "everyone chanting Hinata Hinata" and the fact that he decided to focus more on Sakura's heroine role. From the looks of it I think Kishi is not planning in making Hinata show up in his manga for a while just to annoy the N/H fans.

I agree with you for the most part, but I disagree with Kishi "getting back at" his fans. If anything, all I can see him doing is making Sakura even MORE heroic and push Hinata on the back burner again. To prove them wrong, but not to get back at them.

...I'm sorry, that sounds a little more condescending than I intended. But I think you get what I mean.

I don't know, but where I live, (I'm Asian ) my friends prefer NaruSaku...they didn't see the hug as a friendly or sibling hug but clearly an indication of a romantic, not platonic love. We don't hug random guys here and expect not to be teased about it I do get the impression that also in Japan, NaruSaku (though of course I might be wrong) is more popular...for you guys in the US/Europe or elsewhere, is it the trend that NaruHina and SasuSaku is more popular? I don't know, I just like the dynamic of NaruSaku more, I find NaruHina abit ehh...like Hinata's always so shy, and Naruto ends up talking over her for example, compared to Naruto and Sakura who interact more naturally.

Where I live, (Florida, the U.S.), NaruHina and SauSaku are much more popular. I've not a single NaruSaku loving friend. (The only NaruSaku loving people in America I know besides myself are the Americans on this forum.) They too love Hinata and NaruHina. I imagine this is because we hug each other a lot, sometimes hugging total strangers, so hugging doesn't seem that extraordinary or significant. To them, when I argue that Sakura hugged Naruto, they say "So? It's just a friend hug."

If only they understood how non platonic a hug was in the Asian culture and how "friend-hugs" don't necessarily exist... They just might re-think things.

Also, they're convinced that the fillers are canon.

[RedDelicious]

To them, when I argue that Sakura hugged Naruto, they say "So? It's just a friend hug."

If only they understood how non platonic a hug was in the Asian culture and how "friend-hugs" don't necessarily exist... They just might re-think things.

Also, they're convinced that the fillers are canon.

I still enjoy the discussion when the hug chapter came out, those people that insist that when they hug their siblings (aka NaruSaku = "brother-sister"), they hold them by neck. Faces in contact, cheek-to-cheek.

Yeeeaaaahhh... right... Even in the US, that was more than a friend hug.

[Gravenimage]

As I mentioned before I understand if the N/H and S/S fans said that the 450 hug was a sibling hug, however when they made the fan art of the hug changing Sakura with Hinata its no longer a sibling hug it's truly a romantic hug because its Hinata the one giving the fake made hug to Naruto. I still don't get it but this must be part of their N/H logic and it proves that they are contradicting themselves and deep down they know that hug had nothing about being a sibling hug although they will never admit it.

Question: does anyone in this forum hugs their sister or brother like Sakura did to Naruto on 450???

My answer no way I will never hug my sister like that because if I did she will kill me she will clearly beat the living daylights out of me seriously.

Edited by Gravenimage, 06 January 2010 - 03:38 PM.

[ciardha]

Where I live, (Florida, the U.S.), NaruHina and SauSaku are much more popular. I've not a single NaruSaku loving friend. (The only NaruSaku loving people in America I know besides myself are the Americans on this forum.) They too love Hinata and NaruHina. I imagine this is because we hug each other a lot, sometimes hugging total strangers, so hugging doesn't seem that extraordinary or significant. To them, when I argue that Sakura hugged Naruto, they say "So? It's just a friend hug."

From the people I know who cosplay in the US:

naruhina- teen girls
sasusaku-teen and college age guys and gals
kakasaku-teen and college age gals
narusasu- teen to early 30's gals
narusaku- mid 20's and older men and women


Wow those friends of yours really are in denial. A friend/sibling hug even in the US is not done like that. Twelve year old Naruto's hug of Iruka is a like what we do with friends/siblings- quick, enthusiastic (called a "bear hug" when done with a bit too much energy) around upper arm level (one person hugs just above the others waist, the other over the other person's arms around mid back, in the US usually accompanied by 1-3 back taps with the hands. Southerners tend to be more physically expressive than Northerners and Midwesterners (Midwesterners and Great Plains people tend to be the least physically expressive regionally of Americans) but even as a southerner from a very huggy family, Sakura's hug of Naruto in 450 was a romantic hug even in the southern US. Cupping the face and placing your head on the guy's shoulder near his face- romantic There's even an old US pop love song "Put Your Head on My Shoulder" by Paul Anka:

"Put your head on my shoulder
Hold me in your arms, baby
Squeeze me oh so tight
Show me that you love me too"

Your friends also ignore that even Kakashi was blushing observing this, and Gai and Kiba were leering. They also ignore that Sakura flirted in a very overt way the first moment she saw Naruto, smiling, blushing, coyly looking up at Naruto and inviting him to look at her body in a frankly sexual way.

[fireandice]

@SS3 Goku and @Gravenimage

Yes, what is it with them editing those pics and putting Hinata? Then do they think the hug is platonic or not? I mean I even saw some showing Hinata repressing 4-tails Naruto instead I mean I haven't seen any showing editing Sakura in Hinata's place when she jumped in front of Pain.

I don't get it, can't they acknowledge that the hug was definitely not platonic, and still like their pairing? I don't like it when some fans insistently deny all evidence of Sakura's feelings for Naruto. I mean, I think none of us here deny that Hinata doesn't have romantic feelings for Naruto. Or even perhaps the time Yamato went "heh, Sakura, just by looking at you, I can tell-" they were so insistent he was talking about a brother-sister relationship/platonic one- fact is, we CAN'T be sure. It MIGHT have been referring to a platonic relationship or a romantic relationship, but fact is there's not enough info to say definitely A is right, B is wrong e.g.

Well I'm a girl and yes when I hug my sister we do hug quite closely, and we do hug our FEMALE friends, but my friends don't hug their brothers like that, nor do they hug a male acquaintance like that (close hug, touching hair e.g). Usually it's a looser one, if any, just patting on the back e.g. Such embraces like the one Sakura gave to Naruto have much more intimate connotations, and only people who are couples do that, at least over here.

[Gravenimage]

From the people I know who cosplay in the US:

naruhina- teen girls
sasusaku-teen and college age guys and gals
kakasaku-teen and college age gals
narusasu- teen to early 30's gals
narusaku- mid 20's and older men and women


Wow those friends of yours really are in denial. A friend/sibling hug even in the US is not done like that. Twelve year old Naruto's hug of Iruka is a like what we do with friends/siblings- quick, enthusiastic (called a "bear hug" when done with a bit too much energy) around upper arm level (one person hugs just above the others waist, the other over the other person's arms around mid back, in the US usually accompanied by 1-3 back taps with the hands. Southerners tend to be more physically expressive than Northerners and Midwesterners (Midwesterners and Great Plains people tend to be the least physically expressive regionally of Americans) but even as a southerner from a very huggy family, Sakura's hug of Naruto in 450 was a romantic hug even in the southern US. Cupping the face and placing your head on the guy's shoulder near his face- romantic There's even an old US pop love song "Put Your Head on My Shoulder" by Paul Anka:

"Put your head on my shoulder
Hold me in your arms, baby
Squeeze me oh so tight
Show me that you love me too"

Your friends also ignore that even Kakashi was blushing observing this, and Gai and Kiba were leering. They also ignore that Sakura flirted in a very overt way the first moment she saw Naruto, smiling, blushing, coyly looking up at Naruto and inviting him to look at her body in a frankly sexual way.

Awesome explanation about the different types of hugs I will give you a perfect thumbs up.

[primary colours123]

Hey guys. I just could not resist the "significance of Hugs in asian culture" discussion. I am an Asian and i have to say this that once my best friend hugged her "confirmed" boyfriend infront of us, (due to some very good news, she just could not stop:)), and we never allowed her to live it down. None of us will even consider doing the NaruSaku hug with our friends or relatives.
I remember when the chapter came out, i was just looking at my computer and blushing. i had my exams next day but still.. I could not stop staring at the screen for quite sometime. rest assured, the hug was not platonic, because even though the asian society is opening up, in stories and fiction, we prefer the romantic feel.
Take care

[Gravenimage]

@SS3 Goku and @Gravenimage

Yes, what is it with them editing those pics and putting Hinata? Then do they think the hug is platonic or not? I mean I even saw some showing Hinata repressing 4-tails Naruto instead I mean I haven't seen any showing editing Sakura in Hinata's place when she jumped in front of Pain.

I don't get it, can't they acknowledge that the hug was definitely not platonic, and still like their pairing? I don't like it when some fans insistently deny all evidence of Sakura's feelings for Naruto. I mean, I think none of us here deny that Hinata doesn't have romantic feelings for Naruto. Or even perhaps the time Yamato went "heh, Sakura, just by looking at you, I can tell-" they were so insistent he was talking about a brother-sister relationship/platonic one- fact is, we CAN'T be sure. It MIGHT have been referring to a platonic relationship or a romantic relationship, but fact is there's not enough info to say definitely A is right, B is wrong e.g.

Well I'm a girl and yes when I hug my sister we do hug quite closely, and we do hug our FEMALE friends, but my friends don't hug their brothers like that, nor do they hug a male acquaintance like that (close hug, touching hair e.g). Usually it's a looser one, if any, just patting on the back e.g. Such embraces like the one Sakura gave to Naruto have much more intimate connotations, and only people who are couples do that, at least over here.

To be honest with you they are in denial of the truth and they contradict themselves because they are too stubborn to admit that Naruto and Sakura have something going on more than just friendship. Does your brother blushes when he sees his sister or does he asks her out on dates or even trying to peek at her at a hot bath???

[TwilightLink20xx]

Where I live, (Florida, the U.S.), NaruHina and SauSaku are much more popular. I've not a single NaruSaku loving friend. (The only NaruSaku loving people in America I know besides myself are the Americans on this forum.) They too love Hinata and NaruHina. I imagine this is because we hug each other a lot, sometimes hugging total strangers, so hugging doesn't seem that extraordinary or significant. To them, when I argue that Sakura hugged Naruto, they say "So? It's just a friend hug."

That's quite interesting, as in my neck of the woods (Midwest US), the bulk of my friends DO see NaruSaku. And unlike the general age chart Ciardha has (of which I'd flip the NaruHina and SasuSaku demographics from my personal experiences), all of us are teenagers around the ages of 14 - 18. Teenage males, granted, but still in that younger space. Only my friends that had no separation between the Anime filler and the manga leaned towards NaruHina and SasuSaku, but they changed their minds after I explained everything. Perhaps it may be that I'm a tad too persuasive or that they assume that I'm right about most things. Who knows...

But yeah, that hug was way too much to be anything but romantic.

Edited by TwilightLink20xx, 06 January 2010 - 05:18 PM.