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#30001 Crow T Robot

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 06:41 AM

Ok First of all you completely misinterpreted what I said. Second, why are you depressed?

 

Third i said that most likely the one she was referring to wasn't Sasuke, it was meant to be left ambigious but people are jumping the gun like they did with the "fake" confession. If Sasuke was the one she was referring to we would have seen his image while she refers to him (obviously part 1 Sasuke) but instead Kishi showed us the image of him after chjris the cripple said "If it's somebody you like then they're bound to be a good person" or if we go by translations by Megi and  he said "The person you like/Fell in Love with is ofcourse a good guy" It was generalized she felt guilty about loving him in the first place, like I said the anime only reinforces this theory with Sakura's statement in the filler. Besides i can easily list several reasons why the "someone else" being Sasuke makes absolutely no goddamn sense. 

How is that generalized? Clearly he's referring to the person she is currently in love with, correct me if i'm wrong but he clearly isn't saying "someone you love" he's saying "the person you love right now" there's a clear distinct difference between the two. And that is whats so confusing. The anime implies that its Sasuke in the episode, the next she says she's over him again, Kishimoto said something about her confession being honest and yet she refers to Sasuke as the someone else only to completely get over him in the war. What is the purpose of this? to have in Sakura's head that Sasuke > Naruto only to fall out of love with Sasuke and be with Naruto. I messaged Megi and talked to that one french lady with the japanese name and they both said that the context just can't be read the way you say it can. 


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 06:49 AM

How is that generalized? Clearly he's referring to the person she is currently in love with, correct me if i'm wrong but he clearly isn't saying "someone you love" he's saying "the person you love right now" there's a clear distinct difference between the two. And that is whats so confusing. The anime implies that its Sasuke in the episode, the next she says she's over him again, Kishimoto said something about her confession being honest and yet she refers to Sasuke as the someone else only to completely get over him in the war. What is the purpose of this? to have in Sakura's head that Sasuke > Naruto only to fall out of love with Sasuke and be with Naruto. I messaged Megi and talked to that one french lady with the japanese name and they both said that the context just can't be read the way you say it can.


And people say im paranoid. What makes you think it cant be read in that context? I and some other members here (firefox, Naruko, Graveinimage) saw it in that context, I never heard any of our translators say ut cant be interpreted that way, in fact when I talked with Megi she said it was more of a question regarding how Sakura feels instead of a context through dialogue (implying that you can in fact read it the way we see it) you can ask any of our translators that if you want though they all are pretty tired of translating the same thing. Regardless I have yet to hear any of them contradict me so assuming Sasuke is the someone else at this point in the story is completely illogical.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 06:57 AM

And people say im paranoid. What makes you think it cant be read in that context? I and some other members here (firefox, Naruko, Graveinimage) saw it in that context, I never heard any of our translators say ut cant be interpreted that way, in fact when I talked with Megi she said it was more of a question regarding how Sakura feels instead of a context through dialogue (implying that you can in fact read it the way we see it) you can ask any of our translators that if you want though they all are pretty tired of translating the same thing. Regardless I have yet to hear any of them contradict me so assuming Sasuke is the someone else at this point in the story is completely illogical.

I just talked to Megi over at tumblr and she said this

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I'm sorry but when someone from Japan explains clearly what the context is supposed to mean, there really is no arguing with it. What she says>what you say.

I want to believe that Sasuke isn't the "someone else" i really do but the way things look and the way the anime in the episode implied that it was him in the episode is troubling me. I guess Sakura said was true "women are as fickle as the autumn skies" because she went from him being the "someone else" to him being "someone she used to love" and all it took was her being reminded that he wasn't a good guy. 


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 07:06 AM

I just talked to Megi over at tumblr and she said this

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I'm sorry but when someone from Japan explains clearly what the context is supposed to mean, there really is no arguing with it. What she says>what you say.
I want to believe that Sasuke isn't the "someone else" i really do but the way things look and the way the anime in the episode implied that it was him in the episode is troubling me. I guess Sakura said was true "women are as fickle as the autumn skies" because she went from him being the "someone else" to him being "someone she used to love" and all it took was her being reminded that he wasn't a good guy.

And were back to where we started before, I dont really care what context Megi read it in. You can try asking any of our other translators here but good luck because all of them are pretty.sick and tired of.....everything

Not only did Kakashi flat out explain chapter 540 and Sakuras feelings in general but Kishi said himself that SS is dead
Interviewer - "How does Sakura feel towards Sasuke?"
Kishi -"As for Sasuke, what about Sasuke?"

She has no romantic interest in him and simply wants to save him from darkness like Naruto, wake up people we say SS has been dead since 675? I say its officially been killed off in LOI

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 07:18 AM

I want forehead kiss before end of the manga

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 07:23 AM

And were back to where we started before, I dont really care what context Megi read it in. You can try asking any of our other translators here but good luck because all of them are pretty.sick and tired of.....everything
Not only did Kakashi flat out explain chapter 540 and Sakuras feelings in general but Kishi said himself that SS is dead
Interviewer - "How does Sakura feel towards Sasuke?"
Kishi -"As for Sasuke, what about Sasuke?"
She has no romantic interest in him and simply wants to save him from darkness like Naruto, wake up people we say SS has been dead since 675? I say its officially been killed off in LOI

I'll give you till the count of 3 to get the hell out this thread.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 07:25 AM

I want forehead kiss before end of the manga

I would like that too, but let's say that just is  enough if they could get together. This war seems to be ending but another begins, the pairing war.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 07:39 AM

I would like that too, but let's say that just is  enough if they could get together. This war seems to be ending but another begins, the pairing war.

Naruto confession will silence the so called pairing war.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 08:57 AM

And were back to where we started before, I dont really care what context Megi read it in. You can try asking any of our other translators here but good luck because all of them are pretty.sick and tired of.....everything
 

No, I'm sorry but the translators say the context is that he is talking about who she is currently in love with not that everyone she loves or if that she loves someone. The context in the manga is that she loves Sasuke, the context in the anime is that she loves Sasuke, the context according to the translators is that she loves Sasuke.

 

I'm sorry but this 540 moment anti SS pretty much takes one giant dump on all that supposed NS development. I'm sorry but for the sake of having a red herring Kishi pretty much ruined his own endgame pairing. You said it yourself that Naruto is a silver medal as much as I dont want to believe it, SS fans are kind of right about this one as depressing as that is for us


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 09:03 AM

I love talking with you, you're the only one here who doesn't accuse me of being a soft drink. 

 

Oh thanks... But I've seen other people even defending you here, since you're new. 

 

About your conversation with Pepsi. Oh well, people from japan's words are only more relevant that ours when it's about the quotes that are said. Translation, basically. Not interpretation. The fact she said there is someone she is currently in love with doesn't mean when she thought of Sasuke (what happened only after what the man said, and not the "someone" - I wonder why?), it meant he was the someone. That was just after her confession to a guy (Naruto :woot: ), so I guess it's normal to say you have someone you like, isn't it? He said she is so kind that the one she loves must be a great person. So it's normal to remember the "great person" you spent so much time in, isn't it? Even if you don't love that person anymore. 


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 09:08 AM

How is that generalized? Clearly he's referring to the person she is currently in love with, correct me if i'm wrong but he clearly isn't saying "someone you love" he's saying "the person you love right now" there's a clear distinct difference between the two. And that is whats so confusing. The anime implies that its Sasuke in the episode, the next she says she's over him again, Kishimoto said something about her confession being honest and yet she refers to Sasuke as the someone else only to completely get over him in the war. What is the purpose of this? to have in Sakura's head that Sasuke > Naruto only to fall out of love with Sasuke and be with Naruto. I messaged Megi and talked to that one french lady with the japanese name and they both said that the context just can't be read the way you say it can. 

he ain't never said "the person you love right now." He said "the person you love must be a great guy."

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 09:35 AM

Honestly I don't see any big problem with that sentence... Sakura simply said "I have already a person that I like...". It's a neutral sentence that cannot even be more neutral than so. Maybe we have some doubts because in the next chapter Sakura thinks about Sasuke when the iwa ninja spoke about how the person that she likes must be really a great person. But her sentence sentence doesn't necessarily imply that Sakura was talking about Sasuke, at 100% at least. It could be Sasuke, or Naruto, or Rock Lee, or even Kakashi. That "person that I like" can be referred to anyone.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 09:38 AM

Given all the circumstances, I'll just tell you guys why this pairing can NEVER become a silver medal case:

 

Naruto would never end up with Sakura if wasn't for her own desire, if she didn't love him. That's not his character. Naruto wouldn't accept to be a silver medal, that's not how Kishi writes him. 

 

So, when NS happen, it's because there's mutual love between them and because Sakura has already moved on Sasuke. There's no other way of it happening. None. 


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 09:48 AM

 

Oh thanks... But I've seen other people even defending you here, since you're new. 

 

About your conversation with Pepsi. Oh well, people from japan's words are only more relevant that ours when it's about the quotes that are said. Translation, basically. Not interpretation. The fact she said there is someone she is currently in love with doesn't mean when she thought of Sasuke (what happened only after what the man said, and not the "someone" - I wonder why?), it meant he was the someone. That was just after her confession to a guy (Naruto :woot: ), so I guess it's normal to say you have someone you like, isn't it? He said she is so kind that the one she loves must be a great person. So it's normal to remember the "great person" you spent so much time in, isn't it? Even if you don't love that person anymore. 

People don't read the situation that the LN put Sakura in in here . Her saying she has "someone else" was a typical way of her turning the guy nicely bc she's a "kind girl"  she didn't wanted to hurt the guy   this is a very common way of rejecting someone you are uncomfortable with it or you just meet  really this is even more evident by her body language  and her speech  you will even notice how uncomfortable she is bc she stutters when she says that and also when she says she's "sorry" .

 

Another contradiction to this is why exactly would Sakura refer to Sasuke as the guy she loves as the "someone else" like she's confident in her relationship with him  when she gave up on him and any relationship with him in the confession to Naruto  she pretty much didn't wanted to be in a relationship with him  and regretted for ever loving him even in there . It makes no sense that  Sasuke is "that guy"  I'm not saying its even Naruto even though it makes more sense by the events that occurred but that it was neither of them just Sakura politely turning the Stranger LN down . 

 

I'm really getting tired of explaining this but whatever  I just don't get how people can claim that Naruto is a silver medal if Sakura doesn't want to be with Sasuke and doesn't love him but she loves Naruto , the fact that she doesn't want to be with Sasuke by any circumstances makes Naruto GOLD not a kittening "Silver"  in the end what matters the most is if she loves Naruto  but if she didn't love Naruto and went to him then you can argue the Silver crap medal  but not if she genuinely loves Naruto which she does , she not the kind of girl that she would confess her feelings to someone if she didn't have them in the first place .

 

I can continue with explaining this kitten even more but whatever people will not listen anyways after all this has been discussed hundred times  so I will just wait to see Kishimoto clearing all the romance and bite people in the ass who claim this .


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:02 AM

Who would think of the person that even in part one hurt sakura and never was like the person she needed in first place of a 'gold medal'? Even if sasuke weren't bad he still wouldn't fit with sakura as much as naruto does. Sakura first liked him because of his coolness and his looks. She wasnr'r able to be like her real self (inner sakura) when around him. For a twelve year old girl sasuke may be a gold medal but for grown up and developed sakura who spend more time with naruto than with anyone sasuke wouldn't be and naruto is everything but a silver medal. Like tthis is a story with developements and especially in naruto with fate or destiny. Even if in the beginning sakura thought of sasuke that he would be the one, destiny showed her that it's naruto.
I don't get this silver medal argument. So everyone who was in love with someone but then falls in love with another is choosing the silver medal because it wouldn't work with the first one? And let's say the first love was the 'love' of a twelve year old girl? O.o I don't think so

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:11 AM

Sasuke would never be the gold medal anyway. Even if everything between Sakura and Sasuke was sweet and they were close, Sakura would eventually move on from him and fall in love with Naruto. You know why? Because Sasuke could never be the sort of guy she always dreamed of. This is why-

 

Sakura always wanted someone who would compliment her and make her insecurities go away.

She hoped to find someone who would acknowledge her strengths as a Kunoichi and as a person.

Her innermost personality always wanted to be with someone who was a fun-loving and care-free. 

Most important of all, she wanted to be with someone that understands her and always makes her smile.

 

Who is the one person that makes all of these wishes of hers possible? You know the answer.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:35 AM

Sasuke would never be the gold medal anyway. Even if everything between Sakura and Sasuke was sweet and they were close, Sakura would eventually move on from him and fall in love with Naruto. You know why? Because Sasuke could never be the sort of guy she always dreamed of. This is why-
 

Sakura always wanted someone who would compliment her and make her insecurities go away.

She hoped to find someone who would acknowledge her strengths as a Kunoichi and as a person.

Her innermost personality always wanted to be with someone who was a fun-loving and care-free. 

Most important of all, she wanted to be with someone that understands her and always makes her smile.

 

Who is the one person that makes all of these wishes of hers possible? You know the answer.

yup, me.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:39 AM

I don't mind become the silver medal to the person that I love.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:41 AM

yup, me.

Nope its Coca-Cola that makes her wishes come true  :chuckle:  :lol:   .


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:49 AM

yup, me.

Oh hey Naruto! So you asspulled your way into the real world?

Have you been accompanied by your future wife Sakura and your sidekick Sasuke??? I want to bow-down to Sakura and punch Sasuke in the face.  


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