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#281 ThroughWithLove

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 05:47 PM

Luffy x Hancock is nh equivalent.

 

I disagree. Hancock only melts around Luffy. Other than that, she kicks ass, has a prety thick backbone, has a good backstory and is a pretty relevant character.  That and unlike Kishimoto, Oda doesn't introduce characters for no reason whatsoever; Oda actually plans ahead. Granted, I don't think we'll ever get a pairing ending in One piece, but if we did, I'd wager Nami getting it on with Sanji or staying single. :sweat:


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 05:51 PM

 
I disagree. Hancock only melts around Luffy. Other than that, she kicks ass, has a prety thick backbone, has a good backstory and is a pretty relevant character.  That and unlike Kishimoto, Oda doesn't introduce characters for no reason whatsoever; Oda actually plans ahead. Granted, I don't think we'll ever get a pairing ending in One piece, but if we did, I'd wager Nami getting it on with Sanji or staying single. :sweat:

Kishi is sexist.

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 06:02 PM

This whole situation reminds of Hannibal fandom: bigger part of fans are just blind apologists who put Hannibal on pedestal, going on about how divine and sophisticated he is.. murders and eats people? kittening up the minds and lives of his patients? childhood trauma. who cares? look what an amazing human being he is. :zaru:
 
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I think that was due to the silence of the lambs.

In the us we have the victim society. It's always someone else's fault.

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 06:03 PM

 

 

Nope. I ended up taking one for the team :)

 

Anyway, even if Sasuke weren't trash I fail to understand why Sakura must put her life on hold and wait for Sasuke in perpetuity AND sit around on Hinata to make a move no matter how long it takes.

All for a guy she fell for because of how cool and handsome he was. Yeah, Sakura would be a terrible person for doing what MOST girls do and giving THAT up. What a load. Female readers (excluding mindless SasuSaku drones) have to be pretty pissed off by that. Men like Sasuke come and go for a LOT of women. It's like Kishi has never even talked to a woman a day in his life. I'm amazed he's even married. People like him usually live alone in their parents' basement.


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 06:08 PM

Nope. I ended up taking one for the team :)

 

Anyway, even if Sasuke weren't trash I fail to understand why Sakura must put her life on hold and wait for Sasuke in perpetuity AND sit around on Hinata to make a move no matter how long it takes. Simply liking Naruto is not a claim where no one can make a move. If Hinata a fails to do so or Sasuke doesn't show reciprocation she has every right to move on. The world won't wait for Hinata.

 

I know whatcha mean, nate. X_X Especially since we saw she genuinely was FALLING IN LOVE with Naruto. X_X But I guess it's such a bad thing if she can't be with Sasuke, which is still stupid logic!



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 08:15 PM

When I continue to think about this, the more awful it sounds.  I know all this is because Kishimoto turned Sasuke into a dang purty sue.  I t doesn't matter that he did do wrong things like kill cloud ninja and samurai, aided Akatsuki, in which his efforts helped start the war.  All that's focused on is that he's the victim of bad circumstances.  His wrong doings are because of these bad circumstances, and as such, he himself is absolved from blame.  However, that is saying no one is responsible for their actions.  However, Naruto is the foil.  He grew up with the same if not worse circumstances than Sasuke.  He had every reason to go down the dark path too, but thanks to the people he knew and made friends with, he kept away from doing the wrong things. 

 

Anyway, it's because Sasuke is apparently not responsible for his actions that it makes Sakura look bad for moving on.  He was just going through some issues and wasn't himself, according Kishimoto's logic.  However, no matter what influence or issues, your actions can't be taken back.  For example, if I raped someone because I "loved her so much", I have to be held responsible for that because no matter my reasons, what I did was unacceptable.  Should I really be forgiven for emotionally traumatizing a women because of twisted desire?  That even if I repent, that the girl would be terrible for leaving me because I was in a dark place at the time?  I sincerely hope Kishimoto was just talking off the top of his head, because his ideals are frightening if he meant that.


Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 22 November 2014 - 08:16 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 08:21 PM

Sasuke was the main character. His family got all the backstory. He got the closing lines. He got a dutiful fangirl.

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 09:38 PM

So in the end, NaruSaku is just another one of the NUMEROUS retcons and abandoned subplots throughout this sh-t manga. Yep folks, that's some good storytelling there.

 

I'm currently in the process and rewriting the last seven chapters and giving this manga the ending it deserves. I'm being as objective as possible with the characters and I'm finding myself having no trouble whatsoever leading into NaruSaku. Kishimoto is just a hack and sellout. To hell with him and to hell with his new movie.

If you need ideas and stuff, then I can gladly help.

 

I can't believe this... So the naruto fandom in NF are actually supporting this interview????
I heard most of them were mad with kishis obvious disrespect for womans!

Well, the sane people already jumped ship because the waters became infested with drones, some of who's level of hypocricy it's beyond belief. One of them even said "screw feminists" I was like, this is not about feminism dumbass, this is actually morally wrong! People read the manga without having any memory of what happened before, or only remembering the stuff convinient to them.

I am collecting notes of stuff that I will write in my last letter to kishi. Asking him if this is really what he inteded or if there is another reason?
It really saddens me how the last big ass arc basically shunned on everything that the manga was prior to that.

 

As for Suigetsu becoming the leader of the seven swordsmen, well It's the least kishimoto could do. However I still insist that he should had become the mizukage. Also Choujuro's bodyguard? Give me a break, he could wipe the floor with him up and down throught the streets of L.A.



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 10:38 PM

There was a time when i was on the fence about going with Sakura, but after coming this far and just having Sakura switch over to loving Naruto would make her kind of a terrible women.

 

Say i man that say "i horrible by write romance's", for this set he really deserves a facepunch -.-

 

Sry for all Kishi fans but because for this set i'm really angry now...


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 11:39 PM

LOL a fan just talked down on me for criticizing SS and said I understand nothing about Naruto's themes of forgiveness and 'unconditional love even at the sacrifice of yourself'.   :twitch:

 

Yeah, okay.


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 11:43 PM

LOL a fan just talked down on me for criticizing SS and said I understand nothing about Naruto's themes of forgiveness and 'unconditional love even at the sacrifice of yourself'.   :twitch:

 

Yeah, okay.

 

Just ignore them, Romance Girl. X-D They're just upset about winning in such a crappy way, but they're in utter denial.



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 11:44 PM

l just saw on Ladygt's tumblr a gif posted by a SS fan that had a man slapping a woman, with Kishimoto written over the man and Chatte written over the woman with a caption saying "that's what Kishimoto should do to NaruSaku fans now".

 

And that's the feminist pairing, and we're supposed to be the immature ones. :lol:



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 11:52 PM

LOL a fan just talked down on me for criticizing SS and said I understand nothing about Naruto's themes of forgiveness and 'unconditional love even at the sacrifice of yourself'.   :twitch:
 
Yeah, okay.

Forgiveness is an nice theme itself but Naruto took it up to eleven, i mean there was no villain after all, everyone was in a "dark place" and just needed a hug. Sasuke made some kittened up kitten and in the end walked off of konoha scotch-free
Obito, a crazy mass/child murderer was called the coolest guy by the second MC!

And unconditional love? This is one of the themes that kishimoto screwed up
Naruto and Sakuras "unconditional love" for Sasuke looked unnatural and strange. What did the emo do to deserve such attention? I can even understand Naruto due to Sasuke being his first bond but Sakura, a so called "real girl"? Its just sick

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 11:53 PM

l just saw on Ladygt's tumblr a gif posted by a SS fan that had a man slapping a woman, with Kishimoto written over the man and Chatte written over the woman with a caption saying "that's what Kishimoto should do to NaruSaku fans now".

 

And that's the feminist pairing, and we're supposed to be the immature ones. :lol:

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 12:16 AM

I really don't have problem with the forgiveness theme of Naruto. I'd like if villains got more accountability, but I accepted that was Kishi's way a while ago. What I don't like is Kishimoto's twisted view of love on Sakura's behalf and how she never had even a little self-respect for herself to at least not fangirl. I would've liked if Sakura was mad at Sasuke and stood up to him for a SS ending and that's it. But Kishimoto gave me none of that.

 

I ask for little really. So I don't know why SS fans have a problem with me not approving of Sakura seeming shallow and never standing up to Sasuke.


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 12:36 AM

LOL a fan just talked down on me for criticizing SS and said I understand nothing about Naruto's themes of forgiveness and 'unconditional love even at the sacrifice of yourself'.   :twitch:

 

Yeah, okay.

Funny, I had a SS fan in real life come up to me and tell me I didn't understand. I literally started slapping him around and treated them like garbage. They asked what was my problem...I replied "What? I am confessing my love for you. Don't you understand, you worthless peiece of trash?"

 


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 12:38 AM

Funny, I had a SS fan in real life come up to me and tell me I didn't understand. I literally started slapping him around and treated them like garbage. They asked what was my problem...I replied "What? I am confessing my love for you. Don't you understand, you worthless peiece of trash?"

 


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 12:54 AM

LOL a fan just talked down on me for criticizing SS and said I understand nothing about Naruto's themes of forgiveness and 'unconditional love even at the sacrifice of yourself'.   :twitch:

 

Yeah, okay.

 

 

This irritates me. We understand those themes. We just think the presentation and execution sucked. I get the forgiveness theme. I get that it came at the expense of everyone's credibility.

 

 

I really don't have problem with the forgiveness theme of Naruto. I'd like if villains got more accountability, but I accepted that was Kishi's way a while ago. What I don't like is Kishimoto's twisted view of love on Sakura's behalf and how she never had even a little self-respect for herself to at least not fangirl. I would've liked if Sakura was mad at Sasuke and stood up to him for a SS ending and that's it. But Kishimoto gave me none of that.

 

I ask for little really. So I don't know why SS fans have a problem with me not approving of Sakura seeming shallow and never standing up to Sasuke.

 Accountability? What the hell is that?



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Posted 23 November 2014 - 12:57 AM

 Accountability? What the hell is that?

It's about living the perfect life after saying "sorry".

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 12:58 AM

Funny, I had a SS fan in real life come up to me and tell me I didn't understand. I literally started slapping him around and treated them like garbage. They asked what was my problem...I replied "What? I am confessing my love for you. Don't you understand, you worthless peiece of trash?"

 

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