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I think a proper picture will be this:

for the answer.

That photo gets me everything

It's like he's saying "what are you going to do about it?" 

[tonga1]

now the next figth of naruto vs sasuke is dull after all this kitten

[Nostradamus]

That photo gets me everything

It's like he's saying "what are you going to do about it?" 

[ns.Believe.It]

Sometimes I wish I could think more like SasuSaku fans. 

 

Attempted murders and pain he's caused don't matter. He wasn't in the right state of mind! He was being manipulated by someone else!

He'll be redeemed at the end and everything will be rosy again. It'll be like all those bad things never happened!

 

This would help me like Obito more.

[luffyq1]

Sometimes I wish I could think more like SasuSaku fans. 

 

Attempted murders and pain he's caused don't matter. He wasn't in the right state of mind! He was being manipulated by someone else!

He'll be redeemed at the end and everything will be rosy again. It'll be like all those bad things never happened!

 

This would help me like Obito more.

Ugh.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sometimes I wish I could think more like SasuSaku fans. 
 
Attempted murders and pain he's caused don't matter. He wasn't in the right state of mind! He was being manipulated by someone else!
He'll be redeemed at the end and everything will be rosy again. It'll be like all those bad things never happened!
 
This would help me like Obito more.

Still no one cares, if Naruto call Obito the coolest guy even after killing his parents, Nagato, Jiraiya, Konan, manipulated Akatsuki and killed Neji to force Naruto to accept his way.
Anything can happen.

Just wait for Madara to join the bandwagon and to complete the mess already.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 July 2014 - 05:16 PM.

[awesome sauce dude]

^ that makes me want to throw up.

[Transformers03]

Please stop me if I start talking like a dumb shipper (well that is impossible, since this is an already posted comment, but just replied back if I sound stupid), but....

 

(Sorry, long post. People seemed to read my posts less if they are always this long)

 

There seems to be some debate in whether Obirin is canon or not, with both sides having good points. The whole final scene with Obito and Rin is vague enough that it could be left to reader's interpretation. However the implication is certainly there, so it isn't too much of a stretch to believe they got together in the afterlife. It really all comes down to how you perceive to be canon or not, I generally consider  things like that close enough.

 

Yet whatever feelings you have on Obirin being canon or not, you can't deny that Manga was trying to make us sympathetic towards Obito's seemingly unrequited love towards Rin. Whatever it worked or not on specific individual readers doesn't really matter, as long as you understand the manga's intention. As long as you understand that the series is trying to support Obito's love, and realize that the series never once supported Rin x Kakashi, then you'll get the point I am trying to make. The mere fact that the manga implied Obito and Rin got together in the afterlife is good enough indication that manga supports that kind of pairing. A pairing in which a young boy attempts to win over his crush from a teammate that is more liked and respected.

 

The main thing I am trying to bring out here is the same point I made in my forum two years ago, Why I think Sasusaku is dead. In that forum I wrote about how Sasuke's and Sakura's relationship doesn't match with anything associated with how the series depicts love. Using Minato and Kushina as the prime example of love is suppose to be in the Naruto universe, and ignoring the possible Naruto and Sakura parallel, I make the point that Sasusaku's relationship doesn't match with any aspect of Minato's and Kushina's. That entire pairing doesn't match up with any of the ideas associated with romantic love in the Naruto universe, which is why I never believe SS was a possibility.

 

While Minato's and Kushina's relationship could arguably parallel to that of Naruto and Sakura, there is too much controversy with that and that belief is not consist with the entire fandom (despite the fact that Minato clearly compared Sakura to Kushina, but whatever, each their own). However Obito's and Rin's relationship is a more direct parallel with Naruto and Sakura, with Team Minato being one of the most direct parallel towards Team 7 than any of the other possible parallels. The series has directly stated several times that Obito and Naruto were similar, and both Obito and Rin look a lot like their respective Team 7 counterpart.

 

The fact that the manga not only supported the idea of Obito getting with Rin in the end, but also suggested that they did get together, even if it was a vague implication in the afterlife. The Manga is clearly supportive of these kinds of relationships, not relationships like Rin and old Kakashi, or Sasuke and Sakura. I am not saying that NS will happen because of this, it just will be very inconsistent for Kishi to not make it happen.

 

Despite that though, I could be completely wrong with this. I am ignoring Obito's action as Tobi and causing a whole war and all that. I am also not making any comparisons with Naruhina with any of the manga's ideas of love, so there's that too. But I honesty can't imagine SS ever happening, and I will really be confused if it does become canon (which I don't think it will).

[redragon88]

I wonder if we'll see Obito in the next chapter. If not then ObiRin will never be confirmed. How can you call it canon if you have no clue by Rin that she loved him in the afterlife. Saying "let's go" and grabbing his hand isn't going to confirm ObiRin for me. Even if I do ship it.

 

I think that's the last we'll see of Obito, unless we see him again when it's Minato's turn to go back to the afterlife. If we see Obito and Rin at that time still holding hands that would be a nice way to make them canon, but I wouldn't get my hopes up for such a specific scene.

 

I think Kishi wasn't worrying about making them canon, but more about giving it a new start. We know that Minato believed Obito could get Rin's affection if he didn't give up, and we saw how Obito wanted a chance to be alone with Rin without Kakashi getting in the way.

 

The implication is not that ObiRin became canon, but that it will become canon since Obito finally has a second chance to be with Rin.

[Sakura~]

Lol..

[六道仙人]

i can see how much passion kishi did put in this chapter... just see the big panel of Obito or Naruto....a full emotional chapter for him.

[Sakura~]

I'm pissed because we didn't get Rin/Sakura parallel, when was the last time we got a NS moment? Its been a while..

[六道仙人]

I'm pissed because we didn't get Rin/Sakura parallel, when was the last time we got a NS moment? Its been a while.

 

this is not a shoujo manga. LOL you cannot want a NS moment in all chapters xD

[oksus]

Thoughts on what a mod(she's like one of the coolest mod you'll ever meet) from NB said

bleep

Obito paid of enough and he was himself being manipulated.

Minato held no grudge and Naruto is not the type to keep on hating counting past sins. Otherwise they shouldn't have taken help from Oro either who also killed many. In fact the whole shinobi alliance has a history. Kumo tried to kidnap Kushina and then Hinata and finally Neji's father had to sacrifice himself. The past wars.

Bin Laden never changed his ideology or actions. He didn't die saving anyone. Obito took the shot meant for Naruto and this is the second time he saved his life ( the Kurama restoration). Or Naruto wouldn' be anymore. He also could have used Kamui to save himself but he used to save others. If anything Naruto is not a thankless guy. He understands kindness and and empathy comes naturally to him.

As for Obito wanting to be hokage bit- don't forget that, that one dream was kind of ruined because Obito was trapped in by BZ and Madara and manipulated. A war they abetted and lies they used to play with Obito. After all this BZ saying those things about Obtio- Obito may deserve to hear it from the people he hurt, but BZ is not the person to have any right to speak anything about him. He was behind it all. 

It was not friendship power up - as much as an adrenalin rush also known as epinephrine or the “fight or flight” hormone. When faced with a stressful situation, the human body immediately prepares itself to respond, either to fight or fly. Naruto didn't even did that much of extraordinary thing. He was been showing the power for a few pages at least and fighting Kaguya one on one for sometime, his speed has been gradually increasing for a long time even before he joined the war ( it was even predictable somewhat). Chakra boost was from the So6P. So how come you bring it down to Fairy tail level?

At the end of the day Naruto did what he always did. What he learnt from Itachi and Nagato- accepting the losses and look to the future and break the cycles. Focusing what's important at the current moment. Past is only to learn lesson but the baggage is not worth holding on to.


And what about Ssasuke? He killed many while training under Oro and then some when he was after kages. Obito just brought back Sasuke from another dimension. And he didn't thank him either. A verbal apology to Sasuke would not matter much. Sasuke wasn't expecting any just like Obito didn't expect any gratitude either under circumstances.

You find all the excuses for Sasuke and yet angry at Obito. Even picking on Naruto as if his battle-smartness is brand new trope just introduced today.

Let's face it the bit hurting you most was Sasuke being projected as second to lead Naruto. Manga is Naruto. It was bound to happen at some point. It's not like Sasuke is not cool guy anymore. Tobirama played decoy back then not because he was least capable of them all. So take it easy
 

When you start down the biased mode you not only ruin the enjoyment of the manga .

Also am I the only one who wasn't bother with what Naruto said? 

 

I wasn't bother by it at all. Infact, I think it was exactly what should of have been said. It made perfect sense. 

[Sakura~]

Guys, are you sure Obito was the one who killed Naruto's parents? Wasn't it Kurama?

Edited by Sakura~, 30 July 2014 - 05:32 PM.

[narusaku256]

Guys, are you sure Obito was the one who killed Naruto's parents? Wasn't it Kurama?

The ones who say this have a point that Obito had brought Kurama into Konoha...so if he hadn't brought him in the first place.....

Edited by narusaku256, 30 July 2014 - 05:35 PM.

[六道仙人]

Guys, are you sure Obito was the one who killed Naruto's parents? Wasn't it Kurama?

 

well. technically Minato has committed suicide, Kushina was been killed by kurama XD you won a price.

[MangaReader]

The ones who say this have a point that Obito had brought Kurama into Konoha...so if he hadn't bought in the first place.....

More to the point... he pretty much directly killed Kushina by removing Kurama from her

[Rakshasa]

I read the chapter as soon as it appeared, but got to the forum just now (holiday trip on train and stuff :))

 

for me chapter was pretty neutral except nasty Sasuke`s arrogance (fly away and don`t come back, oh please) and ObiRin feels - it`s sad to say goodbye to Obito, but.. he finally found peace. that`s great.

 

personally, I do not really understand why Naruto`s replic about Obito beeing the coolest is so critized: of course, Obito caused a lot of troubles to Naruto, his allies, well.. tbh to the whole shinobi world.

still, according to his recent actions he can be forgiven and be admired. If the person you hated and despite saved your life or helped in need, why can not the attitude towards him change upside down? especially, when we talk about Naruto himself.

Edited by Rakshasa, 30 July 2014 - 05:40 PM.

[narusaku256]

More to the point... he pretty much directly killed Kushina by removing Kurama from her

Though you are right in here....but aren't Uzumaki's blessed with long life? So technically any normal jinchuuriki dies immediately when a bijuu is removed but Kushina survived that....so if it hadn't been for their sacrifice...Kushina and Minato both would have been alive today. Not absolving Obito of his crime...but that's a point as well...