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Posted 14 February 2014 - 03:17 AM

This chapter wasn't as great as the last one, but it's okay. I still liked it. I didn't expect much NS focus just yet so the way this chapter switched focus from that relationship to Minato's desperation to save his son wasn't too surprising to me. Team Guy was nice to see too, I guess, but I really didn't like that joke about Neji's death. :hm: He just died in that same day, it's way too soon to make a joke about that even if Kishimoto was trying to lighten the mood a little through all the drama. As a Neji fan, I'm bothered. -_-

 

Madara spitting out those tools was also something that set me off a little. It's looking pretty obvious that those tools are going to be used to either help defeat Madara or revive Naruto with the Kyuubi chakra. I'm predicting that the latter will happen, but I don't like this execution because it's just soo convenient. :confused: Either way, Naruto's not looking too good right now ... will he actually die and be resurrected or something? Because, for a near-death, Kishi's cutting it pretty close. :ermm:

 

The twist with Minato losing Yin Kurama didn't surprise me too much either ... I already predicted this method would have complications and that's exactly what happened. It was a little more intense and hopeless than I guessed, but I can see why Kishimoto's writing it like this. And MinaKushi flashback! :love: Minato's grin and cheering up Kushina even though he was actually worried himself reminded a lot of Naruto when he's with Sakura ... Kushina's reaction to that was pretty funny too lol. I give her props for basically guessing everything about Naruto's personality before he was even born. :chuckle:

 

Good chapter. I'm extremely curious to see how Gaara/Sakura/Naruto/Minato will get themselves out of this mess ...


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 04:42 AM

I still think the only reason this chapter felt a little bland compared to last weeks was because of the suspense we had do to the sudden and unscheduled break. 

 

Not much for me to add that we really haven't covered already... 


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 05:20 AM

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Dude, Naruto took back Gin and Kin's Kurama chakra. It's right there on panel. Why are you making elaborate paragraphs to convince yourself otherwise?

 

You might as well start making an essay on why Naruto isn't really wearing orange.



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Posted 14 February 2014 - 05:45 AM

@Inferno180

 

Dude, Naruto took back Gin and Kin's Kurama chakra. It's right there on panel. Why are you making elaborate paragraphs to convince yourself otherwise?

 

You might as well start making an essay on why Naruto isn't really wearing orange.

 

I was about to say the same thing. The only option I see here is retrieving Yin Kurama from black zetsu with three options

 

  • Defeating Black Zetsu
  • 2. Madara being arrogant and telling him to Give the Yin half of Kurama to Naruto in order stall time before Infinite Tsukiyomi activates.
  • Obito regains control, and does one final attempt to transfer Yin Kurama into Naruto.  

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 05:49 AM

Madara spitting out those tools was also something that set me off a little. It's looking pretty obvious that those tools are going to be used to either help defeat Madara or revive Naruto with the Kyuubi chakra. I'm predicting that the latter will happen, but I don't like this execution because it's just soo convenient. :confused: Either way, Naruto's not looking too good right now ... will he actually die and be resurrected or something? Because, for a near-death, Kishi's cutting it pretty close. :ermm:

 

Naruto took back that chakra during his tug-of-war with Obito. I posted a panel showing it in the previous pages.

 

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Yeah, either Naruto gets Dark Kurama someway, or his revival happens with something completely unrelated to Kurama's chakra.


Edited by redragon88, 14 February 2014 - 05:50 AM.


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 08:49 AM

the pot purpose is to trap madara, but since madara is a god, he will break free from it. kishi will use the db scene when the kai trap his evil counterpart(piccolo).

 

if that happen, then kakashi and minato has a chance to retake the yin part. and even if the bz defeat, he will reabsorb by madara when madara break free.

 

and stab sakura, this is the true mistake make by madara and not spitting the gourment, since he can create another thing like that since he is a god himself.

 

and why sakura need to get something like that?

because so far only sakura the main character who naruto never see infront of his eye in a life and death situation.(not really counting garaa fight). and kishi love drama.


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 09:01 AM

I know it may be a bad taste to some, but I would find it funny if Kishi pull a Iron Man movies stunt when looking like everything is all good. For example, a comeback scene was going to happen, but the armor just crashes. Come to think of it, Kishi did do one with Naruto going BM, only to lose it and have Sasuke just look at him like, "Any day now, Naruto..." So in a odd way, they should have like Minato getting Kuruma back in a cool pose, only for Madara to yoink it, leaving Minato and Sakura in a horrible position, and Kakashi/Gaara would be like, "...Did Naruto get it?" I don't know, I would laugh oddly enough.



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Posted 14 February 2014 - 10:18 AM

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the pot purpose is to trap madara, but since madara is a god, he will break free from it. kishi will use the db scene when the kai trap his evil counterpart(piccolo).
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Posted 14 February 2014 - 11:22 AM

Well, Dark Kurama won't be forever dead with Black Zetsu once he's defeated, so he'll be free. When he's free, he's going to be sealed into Naruto by Minato. Sakura may help Minato or not with the sealing since now taking Dark Kurama from Black Zetsu is difficult and resealing it into Naruto.

 

I still didn't dismiss the possibility of Sakura to be the one mainly rescuing Naruto, but I think Minato is more possible than her.

 

As for the two tools, if they don't contain Kyuubi's chakra then they will be for sure one of the sources to defeat Madara with. Maybe Tenten will have more panel time and included in story line more with Team Gai since offensive tools are her specialty if the tools can  be used to attack with, so maybe she'll use them, along with Gai and Lee maybe if they'll use them also in some way, to attack Madara or Black Zetsu or both.



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Posted 14 February 2014 - 11:23 AM

I've been doing some thinking, and I'm very sure Minato will save his son to make up for all of his failures. There really is no way Sakura would pull a chiyo. With so many failures under Minato's belt, I'm sure kishi is going to have him not fail in the end.

 

That being said, in chapter 663 it was said that the shunshin no jutsu only works on something where Kurama's seal was carved. Now that the Kurama seal is on BZ, it's very possible that Minato can use the shunshin no jutsu directly on Black Zetsu to get dark kurama back, or maybe even somehow using a shunshin body swap technique to even get BZ off of Obito (way less likely). 

 

But I am pretty sure Naruto will have to get some portion of the 9 tails back, there's just no way for him to survive, unless he dies and is brought back lol. The main reason I think Naruto needs the nine tails back (or at least some of its chakra) is because Naruto already has most of the tailed beasts chakras inside of him, I think that there is a reason why kishi gave him those chakras and it has got to lead up to the point where he eventually gets all 9 bijuu chakras and eventually can fight toe to toe with madara in sage mode in some kind of so6p mode. I'm not saying he has to become a jinchuriki, just that he needs to get all 9 chakras. That being said, the only chakras that remain are the 8 tails (which Bee may still have ready for Naruto since the hachibi cut off one of his tentacles to keep Bee alive possibly) and the 1 tail. Whether or not Gaara still has 1 tail chakra is a good question, and I'm not trying to act like I know how its gonna happen, but the only way I see Naruto getting out of this is: 1. Getting nine tails chakra back, and 2. Becoming some sort of demi so6p with all tailed beast chakras to fight Madara. (with Madara being so OP right now, I don't see any other way to be blunt. But its pretty likely I'll be wrong but tell me what you guys think, or if I made any mistakes in my presumptions.


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 11:54 AM

 

Not really an asspull, again Obito threw the pots in after Kabuto released the edo tensei knowing he failed so while it was releasing, then by that count the brothers would have vanished in that moment of the release and the ten tails revival would never have occured but they didnt, either only the energy is left or the brothers are still in the gourd left unbound like madara was. Because they were in the juubi at the time, their contract was severed from kabuto so they didn't vanish. They could vanish very easily after minato takes the energy and madara reduces them to nothing.

 

Madara spit out the tools because of the energy they contained, though he was puzzled, remember this, he knew obito activated the ten tails revival but didnt know the full reasons for why it was occuring when he saw the eight and 9 tails still on the outside. As anything else, remember obito used the brothers as a sub for kurama.

 

In the long run, the brothers were made as plot armor for naruto,  it was a way for Naruto to fight the ten tails without dying but now its the exact reverse. At this point, it could be assumed that if either a tailed beast or a large porition of its chakra could be enough to offset the extraction toll which would lead to death, in any other case it could also be assumed kurama took a wild guess in saving naruto from death. Whatever happens, i'd say its easier to roll with it then complain about it, we just got a black zetsu troll event from naruto being revived so you honestly think anything else will happen?

 

Again naruto's recovery is either

- They recapture Yin Kurama, maybe obito can use this against black zetsu

-They use the brothers in the pots,

 

again 2 sources of 9 tails energy, at this point would make sense how naruto revives, the brothers are unique in that they are psuedo jinchurki, in essence, naruto reviving with the nine tails power but not kurama himself does lead to the event of new forms for the tailed beast after this fight too.

 

Really remember how a new era is supposed to start, one the new generation does? Well if a world ninja peace event is coming after all this, then it goes along with the whole stuff the sage predicted, true peace, new stuff on the tailed beasts, etc.

 

I know it could be like that... It's all very convenient for Kishi.

 

But I really don't like this story about Kin/Gin brothers... I can't see them other than an asspull...

They were an asspull in the beginning, they were asspulling kyuubi's cloak... to me it's really too much.

If Kishi use them now to revive Naruto, IMO it's an asspull.

Because edo tensei have been released, and because juubi should have took their kyuubi chakra, and because Naruto seems to have gained back this chakra........

 

It's all not working at all.

 

So if Kishi use them, it will be a big mistake. A big plot hole.

 

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 02:03 PM

Guy, you don't realize what I'm saying...

 

Remember how Madara became unbound by the edo tensei because he knew the seal? I'm saying that the brothers were given the same effect being shielded by the pots, in essence they are still in there left unbound like madara was but still trapped in there. Obito again threw them in after the edo tensei was released.

 

And the whole concept of "nothing exists in the pots" are people seriously thinking that madara is going to be beaten by just saying his name, because thats what it comes down too. Remember another chakra mechanic? Chakra replenishes in the users, the brothers are essentially the users of the kurama chakra, it wasn't temporary on them, they were puesdo jinchurki, able to generate much power like naruto all their own without the tailed beasts presence themselves.  Just because the tailed beast chakra was removed from Obito it doesn't mean all of it was removed from him considering the brothers were used, essentially they removed all the chakra on the 1-8 tails, but the brothers kurama chakra was still in the gedo mazo when the gedo was keeping obito alive, the ten tails at the moment had only the nine tails chakra after extraction and when madara called it back, they removed the present chakra, but not the brothers supplying the chakra, remember chakra regenerates, if anything it only removed the nessessary amount Obito needed for the ten tails.

 

I said this long before, you need to look at the past and present. Either Yin Kurama is conveniently saved or the brothers chakra is used. In either case you look at it, both Madara and Black zetsu ended up making a big potential mistake.

 

Just seriously look at the story for a sec and can you seriously think Madara would be defeated by such an obvious mistake and such an overly easy way? He has knowledge of the sage, ten tails, and his tools, so are we to expect that this fight would turn into trying to get him to say his name or using one other tool the soul rope, to try and get his soul word out? Madara being defeated like this gives a whole literal new meaning to talk no jutsu...

 

Its just too hard to believe that this pot or gourd are the means of defeating madara by simply their use rather than what they contain.

 

I'm just going by what the sage said about the return of all the tailed beasts to one and how one would show them what true power is, if kurama is needed for them to become one, isn't the presence of the return of the pots containing the brothers a possible cause to let naruto live through this?

 

We could easily claim just how kishi wrote the brothers in to allow the ten tails to even appear was an asspull to how we could claim it would be the same if it was the brothers chakra that revives naruto But its just plot devices here and there, black zetsu took that original plan so how can't this other one occur when team guy got the next event thrown on them? Guy is smart, he even worked out how seeing no nine tails chakra, sensing sakura with naruto, and seeing gaara flying, guy acts stupid but he is good at deductive reasoning, they are heading there now or at least intended to before getting a headache from madara.

 

Look if the pots are really empty or lacking the energy then this occurs:

-Naruto is screwed either way since Yin Kurama would be gone and most likely taken by madara unless obito could fight black zetsu in such a close proximaty with his sharigan.

-Madara is expected to be defeated in such an easy and convinent way on his own fault for making such an obvious mistake

-The moment is just pure comedy, nothing else, no meaning, no purpose.

-It would result in a bigger asspull if Sakura actually DID have chiyo's technique without the former of much hinting resulting in many conflicts to the manga, reducing hinata to a terrible token character, and even then it wouldn't help naruto in his lack of power situation, sage mode isnt going to do crap alone against madara considering even he has nature energy in him now, unlike Obito. Naruto's revival of Yin Kurama or at least his chakra is what we need to get that sage-nine tails chakra mode back so he and sasuke can actually fight, yes it was hard at first but just sage infused naruto and sasuke were able to beat down obito, the same can occur against madara if naruto revives by nine tails energy and if sasuke gets some powerup in returning as well.

 

This is what it leads too if the pots are really empty, but I wouldn't expect them to be. I mean a simple way to explain the situation of the brothers still in the pot? Think of it like a battery in a remote control. The remote can be the gedo mazo/ ten tails while the batteries are the tailed beasts and the pot with the brothers. How do you deactivate the remote? Obviously you remove the batteries. All the batteries being removed results in less and less power, without max power, obviously the remote cannot work, just like the gedo mazo, it was missing its batteries essentially. But when you remove a battery it doesn't mean you remove all the power, as the batteries themselves supply the power, so you remove power supplied to the remote, but the power is still within the battery. In the case of the 7 tailed beasts, all of them were effectively removed, pulled out entirely. The 8 tails chakra was the only one in there, extracted in full as many have been saying, it was just pure 8 tails energy with no dependent hosts at all. The brothers however, in their case, its like power was extracted, but the battery itself still has juice, the brothers were not removed so they remained as madara essentially gathered them all up, and to this final recent point, basically, think of his acquisition of yang kurama as swapping out the brothers for a better quality or new battery.

 

It even goes on to say, remember the brothers are edo tensei, even if their chakra was extracted fully, they just regenerate it being undead and having unlimited energy at that. It just makes no sense if they weren't around at the time of the ten tails revival with edo tensei released or after the extraction  yet the pot somehow preserved only their power when it instead seals beings and having the power to at max, seal tailed beasts. But the primary source of them all? I doubt it. Thats the main flaw in the theory, how can the pots only preserve the power but not the brothers, as the hosts themselves when the release occured? If the former was true and the brothers vanished then either the ten tails revival never could have occured or it really does only preserve chakra over the beings themselves which would lead to again, either the power is still there to revive naruto, or they are empy and he is screwed. But I doubt its like this, the brothers are most likely in there, because seriously, madara isn't going to be defeated by such an easy mistake and method.


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 02:19 PM

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I think even if the brother still in the pot they will suddenly disappear since the edo tensei cancelation taking effect.

if they don't dissapear due to the pot shield them from the cancelation, than do you think they want to cooperate? or maybe worse they will attack madara since they have battle thirst and we all know what a juubi jinchuriki could do.

 

I still stick with my prediction that the pot will use to separate madara and the black zetsu for a while than madara will break free from it.

I mean this is madara the one who can outsmart edo tensei cancelation. a "mere" pot wouldn't be a problem with him.



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Posted 14 February 2014 - 02:48 PM

@inferno

I think even if the brother still in the pot they will suddenly disappear since the edo tensei cancelation taking effect.

if they don't dissapear due to the pot shield them from the cancelation, than do you think they want to cooperate? or maybe worse they will attack madara since they have battle thirst and we all know what a juubi jinchuriki could do.

 

I still stick with my prediction that the pot will use to separate madara and the black zetsu for a while than madara will break free from it.

I mean this is madara the one who can outsmart edo tensei cancelation. a "mere" pot wouldn't be a problem with him.

 

No what i am expecting is because if they were in fact shielded by the pot from Kabuto's release, which they most likely were. They in effect are like madara but weaker, they try to fight but minato and co manage to remove their nine tails chakra and give it too naruto, meanwhile then madara comes across them, they try to fight, but madara obliterates them into nothing, essentially their energy revives naruto and madara easily removes them and kills them destroying the effects of edo tensei on them. Basically we also see them destroyed as a full example of an edo tensei being killed. As said the manga is moving fast, something funny may come from them them but they could be pinned down easily and wonder why their energy is removed and then it is forced into naruto, the story is moving fast, kishi is made some of it clear, in part one thing is needing to get past this defensive porition and have the heroes recover then move onto the battle. This is not an asspull assumption either remember not only powers but also some traces of tailed beast energy remain with jinchurki, gaara did this when they needed to remove the tailed beasts from Obito, Naruto couldn't remove the one or 8 tails portions but gaara and bee were so in effect, Minato could still possibly siphon the nine tails energy away from the brothers and give it to naruto in the same way he intended with Yin Kurama. So this is within reason to say the least.


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 02:53 PM

I've got a theory regarding Naruto's survival. The black zetsu stole Yin Kurama during the transfer, but I don't believe he was given a seal. Plus the other thing is that this is the Yin half of Kurama. Aside from color, there's gotta be something different. You know maybe have an ability Kurama originally had before being split into two. If that's the case, maybe it's possible that Yin Kurama could takeover/ prevent black zetsu, and possibly that'll be how Minato regains the chakra. Which in sense would allow the transfer to continue from where it left off. 


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 03:03 PM

Team Guy was nice to see too, I guess, but I really didn't like that joke about Neji's death. :hm: He just died in that same day, it's way too soon to make a joke about that even if Kishimoto was trying to lighten the mood a little through all the drama. As a Neji fan, I'm bothered. -_-

I was personally not bothered with that, the first thing I did was laughing. Now, I see that it's a bad joke, but I have a black sense of humour,

so maybe that's why I didn't mind. XD But to be objectively critical, I know that line should've been spared for much later, or just never.

What actually bothers me is that some fans make a NejixTen moment out of it. :twitch: (go LeexTen!)


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 03:30 PM

I was personally not bothered with that, the first thing I did was laughing. Now, I see that it's a bad joke, but I have a black sense of humour,

so maybe that's why I didn't mind. XD But to be objectively critical, I know that line should've been spared for much later, or just never.

What actually bothers me is that some fans make a NejixTen moment out of it. :twitch: (go LeexTen!)

 

It's probably just Tenten's way of dealing with missing him and most likely how she tries to coup with the craziest Teacher-student duo their is.



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Posted 14 February 2014 - 03:42 PM

 

It's probably just Tenten's way of dealing with missing him and most likely how she tries to coup with the craziest Teacher-student duo their is.

I thought of that too, but I don't think it's the case. Kishi did not portray it that way, and she is not a deep or developed character. We're left guessing because we don't know what is 'typical Tenten'. If you are right, Kishi should've made it clear, like following with a little panel of Tenten visibly feeling down, or having Lee comfort her.


Edited by sushi., 14 February 2014 - 03:43 PM.

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 03:59 PM

I thought of that too, but I don't think it's the case. Kishi did not portray it that way, and she is not a deep or developed character. We're left guessing because we don't know what is 'typical Tenten'. If you are right, Kishi should've made it clear, like following with a little panel of Tenten visibly feeling down, or having Lee comfort her.

 

Well from what I have seen she is defensive of her fellow kunoichi's feelings and their skills, an admire of Tsunade, gets annoyed by Gai and Lee's antics, but may have feelings for Lee. 


Edited by BlueStarSaber, 14 February 2014 - 04:00 PM.


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 04:03 PM

some people say 'not even zabuza was this callous at a companion's death' hahha


Edited by Hanabi, 14 February 2014 - 04:04 PM.

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I can't even say good bye to you for the last time

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