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[Nostradamus]

@BakeNeko-Chan @Hanabi @Inferno180  It doesn't really matter what the narrative is telling us, they see what they want to see. It's annoying because Kishimoto is writing a story, we read it we understand it and we move along. We can make theories on what's about to happen next or discuss the good/bad writing and what we liked or didn't like. But that's really it we can't say "No no no this is what really happened because I say so, it doesn't matter what the writer wrote it matters what I say!". I personally stopped debating with the NH fans because I saw that there was no point.

[Hiraishin]

i'm laughing off how Sasuke looks here, he looks like an Super Emo.

I lol'd omg.

[咲耶姫]

@Inferno180 You really want to know why people keep inserting Hinata in almost any chapter/scenario? Here are a couple of quotes from the NH (actually only H and no N) "After all in that image were a picture of team seven in narutos mine shatters to me it represents that naruto is done stuck on team seven and realizes theres more to life then a team that has lie, betray and hurt you so many times." and "While also remaining good friends with everyone else just that he will be more dedicated to his own life(family) for now I dont think sasuke or sakura have the same effect on naruto as they used to do am certain his figure out that theres other people in his life that actually do care for him like a family and more(hinata) that he already choose that she is more important to him then the rest. Cuz recently naruto has not shown the same emotions he use to show for sakura or sasuke his being quite neuttal on them not to mention that he has not brought any feelings for himself towards sakura or sasuke to prove that he feels the same as he use to about them. As ive seeing things go down I believe hinata is narutos most important person now. And like I sed in the future his main focus will be with her as his most important person(wife/family) hopefully." This is really the problem a lot of people completely misunderstood everything about "Naruto", they believe Hinata is the most important person to Naruto, they believe Sasuke is greatest guy in the world and on and on.

And you really can't change them. It's truly pointless.

 

I can’t believe it! How can a reader be sooo biased? It’s becoming insane to favor a side character that much. They don’t even see what is accurate to the story or not anymore. I mean, in this case, it’s not just some crazy prediction like they have done for chapter 616 or even for the upcoming chapter 661.  No, there it’s a biased interpretation of a key moment in Naruto’s own evolution’s character. And that’s what is bothering me. What is the point in reading a story with a so biased view point, that we are seeing an irrelevant side character everywhere, even when she has nothing to do with what’s happening? At the end, they will not only be disappointed that their pairing didn’t happened, they’ll also won’t understand why it didn’t happened, since they didn’t understand anything about the story because it seems they put Hinata at an even more important place in the story than Sasuke and Sakura who are the main characters after Naruto, and at this point I’m even wondering if they are not putting Hinata above Naruto in terms of importance.

 

To me it’s not normal to come to this point, it’s becoming insane. Hinata has nothing to do with Team 7, she will never be more important to Naruto than Sasuke. Period. And if NH fans are not able to see it, than I don’t know why I should continue to take their argument seriously. I don’t deny the fact that you can believe in NH, you can take the possibility of NH happening at the end in count, but you can’t tie Hinata to the main plot, in this case it should be a romance subplot that has nothing to do with Team 7 like I said.

But really, when I read something like this, there is no more wonder why NH fans believe Naruto got over Sakura and now is now in love with Hinata. And it reinforces my believing in NS and makes me more believe in not paying attention to this kind of statement. 

 

Since when her insertions have logic, the reason why i dislike her character is just because her insertions arent natural, it's always forced, much like how Sakura conveniently was placed behind Naruto just for Minato to show up and confirm a parallel that was unquestioned, yes the moment was good for NS but was forced, it's stuff like that, example kill Neji for Hinata to appear, make Naruto weak for Hinata to protect him, break his arm and show him fighting normally and then make her "heal" his shoulder, make Naruto and Sasuke fighting at a distance and even with Sakura with the slug summoning didnt give one to Naruto and make her tell Sakura about what's going on but no we need a role for Hinata.

 

(none of that moments give a real development to Naruto even 615 is questionable since he only said the same words he said on some chapter befores when Obito said what he would do if he fail?

I still cant swallow how Neji's death made him forget about the sacrifices of the people who believed on him , even the sacrifices of his parents Minato and Kushina.)

 

Why dont make it natural why the need to weak Naruto or downgrade his character for her to shine?

It's the same thing here, Naruto lose the kyuubi, he's weak so what now will the story follow the normal course and put a healer to help Naruto and it's just another forced scenario for Hinata?

 

I disagree with some of your points.

 

While I agree that Neji’s death was the set up to Hinata’s speech and shining moment, which is sad, I don’t think her appearance is that forced. She was the better choice to do this speech. Kishi had, in previous chapter embodied the Hyuuga to protect Naruto, so of course she was near Naruto after Neji’s death, so of course it was logic for her to do this speech and help Naruto.
So in my opinion, it’s not Hinata’s appearance that is forced in this situation but the moment and the chapter (615) itself.

 

And also, I don’t think the NS moment in chapter 631 was forced, it’s like Neji’s death, it followed the storyline. Sakura was healing Naruto and of course Minato was gonna appear in front of his son and of course he was gonna notice him (and his *girl friend*), so I wouldn’t call that a forced scene, but a set up to the girlfriend question.

 

But I agree with the rest of your post.

[narulsaku]

Just a prediction, but this seems pretty legit:
 

hum it would be better if obito just use rinnetensei and bring naruto back to life but it would be good too if he doesnt dies. But we wont get the true feeling part of sakura then so for NS it would be good if naruto dies and then brught back to life

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

I can’t believe it! How can a reader be sooo biased? It’s becoming insane to favor a side character that much. They don’t even see what is accurate to the story or not anymore. I mean, in this case, it’s not just some crazy prediction like they have done for chapter 616 or even for the upcoming chapter 661.  No, there it’s a biased interpretation of a key moment in Naruto’s own evolution’s character. And that’s what is bothering me. What is the point in reading a story with a so biased view point, that we are seeing an irrelevant side character everywhere, even when she has nothing to do with what’s happening? At the end, they will not only be disappointed that their pairing didn’t happened, they’ll also won’t understand why it didn’t happened, since they didn’t understand anything about the story because it seems they put Hinata at an even more important place in the story than Sasuke and Sakura who are the main characters after Naruto, and at this point I’m even wondering if they are not putting Hinata above Naruto in terms of importance.

 

To me it’s not normal to come to this point, it’s becoming insane. Hinata has nothing to do with Team 7, she will never be more important to Naruto than Sasuke. Period. And if NH fans are not able to see it, than I don’t know why I should continue to take their argument seriously. I don’t deny the fact that you can believe in NH, you can take the possibility of NH happening at the end in count, but you can’t tie Hinata to the main plot, in this case it should be a romance subplot that has nothing to do with Team 7 like I said.

But really, when I read something like this, there is no more wonder why NH fans believe Naruto got over Sakura and now is now in love with Hinata. And it reinforces my believing in NS and makes me more believe in not paying attention to this kind of statement. 

 

 

I disagree with some of your points.

 

While I agree that Neji’s death was the set up to Hinata’s speech and shining moment, which is sad, I don’t think her appearance is that forced. She was the better choice to do this speech. Kishi had, in previous chapter embodied the Hyuuga to protect Naruto, so of course she was near Naruto after Neji’s death, so of course it was logic for her to do this speech and help Naruto.
So in my opinion, it’s not Hinata’s appearance that is forced in this situation but the moment and the chapter (615) itself.

 

And also, I don’t think the NS moment in chapter 631 was forced, it’s like Neji’s death, it followed the storyline. Sakura was healing Naruto and of course Minato was gonna appear in front of his son and of course he was gonna notice him (and his *girl friend*), so I wouldn’t call that a forced scene, but a set up to the girlfriend question.

 

But I agree with the rest of your post.

But that was my point, is just because she was near him the most suitable to help Naruto?
So no matter what happens the first character to reach Naruto is the one who will save him?
The problem in that moment is  that Hinata didnt had development to do that speech, she was the closest to Naruto in that moment yes, but she didnt had development to do that, she never faced what Naruto was facing on that moment how could she tell him about that?

Without losing anyone on her life, without having her nindo being tested over and over again like Naruto?

In shippuuden she never faced any kind of situation were not giving up was the key to the victory, she has Naruto's nindo but she never put that into actions.

It's just Naruto, that's the part Kishi is inconsistent, look at 632, her monologue had nothing to do with not giving up to move forward, she only wished to keep being at Naruto's side to go forward, what does this has to do with "not giving up?"

Her inner monologue on Path to Radiance, that moment when she said they were fighting to protect Naruto, Pain arc.

What those moments has to do with not giving up? Why kishi gives her a nindo that says "not give up" but all the motivations of her actions is solely her crush.

 

 

Ino, Shikamaru and Chouji could do that speech because they lose their loved ones, but Hinata never, Neji died she cried for one panel and as soon she saw Naruto wavering she thought like "that's my chance to shine!".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 January 2014 - 10:46 AM.

[咲耶姫]

But that was my point, is just because she was near him the most suitable to help Naruto?
So no matter what happens the first character to reach Naruto is the one who will save him?
The problem in that moment is  that Hinata didnt had development to do that speech, she was the closest to Naruto in that moment yes, but she didnt had development to do that, she never faced what Naruto was facing on that moment how could she tell him about that?

Without losing anyone on her life, without having her nindo being tested over and over again like Naruto?

In shippuuden she never faced any kind of situation were not giving up was the key to the victory, she has Naruto's nindo but she never put that into actions.

It's just Naruto, that's the part Kishi is inconsistent, look at 632, her monologue had nothing to do with not giving up to move forward, she only wished to keep being at Naruto's side to go forward, what does this has to do with "not giving up?"

Her inner monologue on Path to Radiance, that moment when she said they were fighting to protect Naruto, Pain arc.

What those moments has to do with not giving up? Why kishi gives her a nindo that says "not give up" but all the motivations of her actions is solely her crush.

 

 

Ino, Shikamaru and Chouji could do that speech because they lose their loved ones, but Hinata never, Neji died she cried for one panel and as soon she saw Naruto wavering she thought like "that's my chance to shine!".

 

Well, I think she did the speech because she was the one who assisted Neji's death. She heard his last words. She helped Naruto by reminding him that Neji died for him and all his friends would do the same. And that's mostly the fact that he was reminded of those last words that Naruto was able to move on. So once again, that's the fact that she was near him during Neji's death that made her shining moment. So in a sense you're right, it could have been anyone else, Choji, Tenten, Shino... But it was Hinata, because she was there as a Hyuuga. 

If you reread the speech, there is no development needed from Hinata, she just repeat Neji's last words in a different maner. 

 

And the nindo point is what's a little confusing as a NS fan.

As you said she didn't faced a never giving up situation. The only obstacle she's facing is the love aspect. So if she gives up on Naruto at the end, wouldn't her character look bad? But if Naruto is the one who gives up on his love interest, Sakura, wouldn't that be even worst than Hinata giving up? You see what I mean, it's confusing that she has the same nindo.

Plus, she never mentions it except during 615 speech, which was out of place, since, as you said she never used it except during her fight against Neji in part 1. 

So it makes me wonder how her character can be closed without damaging her nindo even more than it is already. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Well, I think she did the speech because she was the one who assisted Neji's death. She heard his last words. She helped Naruto by reminding him that Neji died for him and all his friends would do the same. And that's mostly the fact that he was reminded of those last words that Naruto was able to move on. So once again, that's the fact that she was near him during Neji's death that made her shining moment. So in a sense you're right, it could have been anyone else, Choji, Tenten, Shino... But it was Hinata, because she was there as a Hyuuga. 

If you reread the speech, there is no development needed from Hinata, she just repeat Neji's last words in a different maner. 

 

And the nindo point is what's a little confusing as a NS fan.

As you said she didn't faced a never giving up situation. The only obstacle she's facing is the love aspect. So if she gives up on Naruto at the end, wouldn't her character look bad? But if Naruto is the one who gives up on his love interest, Sakura, wouldn't that be even worst than Hinata giving up? You see what I mean, it's confusing that she has the same nindo.

Plus, she never mentions it except during 615 speech, which was out of place, since, as you said she never used it except during her fight against Neji in part 1. 

So it makes me wonder how her character can be closed without damaging her nindo even more than it is already. 

I mean how could she overcome the grief of Neji's death, so just because her love for Naruto is strong that she could overcome her grief and help Naruto?

When Jiraiya died it was Shikamaru that helped him obviously because he lost his teacher too so we could understand why it wasnt Sakura and etc...

 

Agree, it's a double standard that really affects that nindo, Hinata's problem is that instead of kishi going on Hinata's route and follow up her story (Which is to be the head of her clan) he changed her role to be a mere side character who has a crush on Naruto then combine with the fanbase she has and the overrating she got.

I think Kishi cares very little on giving a logical conclusion on her character since on SJ he said he's working hard to give a logical ending to Naruto.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 January 2014 - 11:44 AM.

[咲耶姫]

I mean how could she overcome the grief of Neji's death, so just because her love for Naruto is strong that she could overcome her grief and help Naruto?

When Jiraiya died it was Shikamaru that helped him obviously because he lost his teacher too so we could understand why it wasnt Sakura and etc...

 

Agree, it's a double standard that really affects that nindo, Hinata's problem is that instead of kishi going on Hinata's route and follow up her story (Which is to be the head of her clan) he changed her role to be a mere side character who has a crush on Naruto then combine with the fanbase she has and the overrating she got.

I think Kishi cares very little on giving a logical conclusion on her character since on SJ he said he's working hard to give a logical ending to Naruto.

Her speech hadn't anything to do with her love for Naruto, she talked about neji's words about people sacrificing their lives for him. But I agree, It's a bit odd that she overcame Neji's death that fast. And thinking about it, I tend to understand your point when you said in a post that their bond (Neji and Hinata) wasn't that strong, since she's able to move on faster than Naruto over Neji's death. 

[FreakySandra1995]

Mangapanda posted on tumblr a picture and proclaimed that there should be an issue out tomorrow in Japan:

 

Will that be a new chapter(661) or just the one we already had(660)? I'm a little confused, I must confess x)

[咲耶姫]

Mangapanda posted on tumblr a picture and proclaimed that there should be an issue out tomorrow in Japan:

 

Will that be a new chapter(661) or just the one we already had(660)? I'm a little confused, I must confess x)

This is so cool! I thought we'd had to wait until 15th January. 

[T XD]

Mangapanda posted on tumblr a picture and proclaimed that there should be an issue out tomorrow in Japan:

 

Will that be a new chapter(661) or just the one we already had(660)? I'm a little confused, I must confess x)

Do they usually post a picture everytime an issue is coming out the next day ? Or is it the first time they do that ? Maybe they posted this for the sake of posting it and cause it features main characters from different manga.

Edited by T XD, 03 January 2014 - 01:43 PM.

[Hanabi]

^ i think thats 660. not sure but i may have seen this image a week before..

[咲耶姫]

^ i think thats 660. not sure but i may have seen this image a week before..

That's what I thought too. But Mangapanda tumblr say a chapter will be released tomorrow along with OP and Bleach. Well, maybe it's my biased part that want a new chapter tomorrow that wants to believe it. 

[六道仙人]

that mangapanda account is false. Tomorrow will be out in japan the double issue 6-7 where there's the chapter 660. We're looking for issue 8 where there will be 661 and that issue won't be out till the 15th

[FreakySandra1995]

that mangapanda account is false. Tomorrow will be out in japan the double issue 6-7 where there's the chapter 660. We're looking for issue 8 where there will be 661 and that issue won't be out till the 15th

That's what I guessed, but it's always safer to ask first ^.^ 

[AzureWaters]

that mangapanda account is false. Tomorrow will be out in japan the double issue 6-7 where there's the chapter 660. We're looking for issue 8 where there will be 661 and that issue won't be out till the 15th

The preview for 661 is on that shounen jump picture though, right? Are you able to translate it

[六道仙人]

The preview for 661 is on that shounen jump picture though, right? Are you able to translate it

 

no, that was the wsj preview from the double issue 04-05 where there was naruto 659. In double issue 06-07, which will be out tomorrow in japan officialy, there was naruto chapter 660 and no preview regarding it. If you ask what there's written, it says "Madara shows his overwhelming powers! And then...!?"

[Inferno180]

As much as I would want to see naruto 661, yeah we still have 2 weeks to go.

[LuckyChi7]

As much as I would want to see naruto 661, yeah we still have 2 weeks to go.

Yeah it's a bit of a pain, but it's better then waiting for 3 weeks now.

[oksus]

As much as I would want to see naruto 661, yeah we still have 2 weeks to go.

 

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