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[Atheck]

the idea of Sasuke using Juugo as a senjutsu source was speculated back when it was revealed that only senjutsu can hold on to Obito's abilities.
And frankly it's better that it's a temporary upgrade because I don't see it matter to much against the fight with Naruto.

Despite the Curse Seal being an adulterated copy of the original source it still provides a noteworthy increase to a person's chakra amount, strength, agility, toughness, and jutsu potency. Sasuke would have no reason to forfeit that ability when he's intending to fight a senjutsu user in the near future. He's going to want to seize any advantage that he can find to even the playing field.

Kishi might re-implant the Curse Seal on Sasuke to compensate for the sage chakra that Naruto is using. In fact it's not that far-fetched to believe that he could learn to gather natural chakra independently without Orochimaru's juinjutsu. His entire upper chest cavity is made up of Juugo's flesh and chakra which he was given in the fight with Killer Bee. That might have granted him the same capacity to draw in natural energy as Juugo's clan.

Madara was able to use Hashirama's Mokuton much more plentifully and efficiently than anyone else who had his DNA. That's with his chest having been implanted with said DNA.

It's ironic because Sasuke, the Uchiha who has proven himself to be the mirror image of Madara, also has the genetic material of someone with a powerful KG embedded into his chest. That could serve as another parallel between the two clansmen.

[Strangelove]

 

And that's okay too, it really just comes down to preference. I understand Kishi's reasoning, and accept it for what it is, but if I were me, I'd have done it differently, for the reason I stated previously.

 

If you see Kishi's writing, there is no true evil. It is only, really ignorant villains who believe that they're own actions are good. You won't find any sadist in this story. The closest is Orochimaru, and he seemed to have lost his sadism.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

If you see Kishi's writing, there is no true evil. It is only, really ignorant villains who believe that they're own actions are good. You won't find any sadist in this story. The closest is Orochimaru, and he seemed to have lost his sadism.

 

That's true. Kishi's main overarching theme is understanding one another despite differences, and in doing so he goes out of his way to show redemption for even the most vile characters (like Orochimaru). To be honest, it's not an aspect of Kishi's writing that I'm always fond of, because that then leads to characters not facing realistic consequences for their actions. But it is what it is. 

[rocci]

@bakenekochan
If this's seinen I can see he do that.

@atheck
I believe sasuke will gain CS lvl 3 and rinnegan either with fruit or hashi DNA.

[六道仙人]

As I thought, Mangastream was the wrong one about Karin-Suigetsu interaction. Mangapanda is the right one...

 

...ウチもあっちにSざろっかなぁ.......
Karin: ...Should I mingle over there too...?
邪魔だってまた刺されるよ
Suigetsu: You'll only get in the way and you'll get stabbed as well.

Edited by 六道仙人, 27 September 2013 - 12:55 PM.

[megi]

As I thought, Mangastream was the wrong one about Karin-Suigetsu interaction. Mangapanda is the right one...
 
...ウチもあっちにSざろっかなぁ.......
Karin: ...Should I mingle over there too...?
邪魔だってまた刺されるよ
Suigetsu: You'll only get in the way and you'll get stabbed as well.

Of course it was wrong! Their language was so strange...they do this quite a lot haha so I never read theirs. Thanks 六道

As for chapter discussion, I don't have anything to add because it was sort of boring to me (besides Tobirama ). The momentum slowed since the last volume , so I'm still anticipating something big . At least the kages are back!

[redragon88]

As I thought, Mangastream was the wrong one about Karin-Suigetsu interaction. Mangapanda is the right one...

 

...ウチもあっちにSざろっかなぁ.......
Karin: ...Should I mingle over there too...?
邪魔だってまた刺されるよ
Suigetsu: You'll only get in the way and you'll get stabbed as well.

 

Troll-getsu strikes again. I wonder how closely related he is to Troll-kage? They are from the same clan after all.

 

But seriously, am I the only one who found that scene hilarious? I sometimes think people get too riled up about fictional situations.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Troll-getsu strikes again. I wonder how closely related he is to Troll-kage? They are from the same clan after all.

 

But seriously, am I the only one who found that scene hilarious? I sometimes think people get too riled up about fictional situations.

Nope. I laughed too. It's like saying to Sakura, "Don't go to Naruto. You'll poison him."

[T XD]

 

If you see Kishi's writing, there is no true evil. It is only, really ignorant villains who believe that they're own actions are good. You won't find any sadist in this story. The closest is Orochimaru, and he seemed to have lost his sadism.

I see that in every anime, movie, series etc. Many villains who were shown their reasons of their bad and/or evil actions that they were victims of. Kishi tends to do it like that and because he wants the story to be more close to reality.

Edited by T XD, 27 September 2013 - 04:30 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I see that in every anime, movie, series etc. Many villains who were shown their reasons of their bad and/or evil actions that they were victims of. Kishi tends to do it like that and because he wants the story to be more close to reality.

I dont see it as one of his intentions sadly.

The villains are being seemed of as victims and on real life you know that it's those things are not the cause but rather they made a choice, like when Orochimaru made his choice to become evil and do bad things but then got seemed off as a victim because he wasnt kage.
Sasuke is worse did a lot of crimes and is obviously not going to face any consequence but worse being seemed as a victim when he made his choice to be a villain.

He choose revenge over his friends and he's not going to pay for his evil deeds.(like killing samurais and kumo ninjas) but wow people can argue they are fodders, then the (closer to reality) dies right before the arguments begins.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 September 2013 - 04:38 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

For the villain characters I meant. For situations, power ups and things like that, well, it's fiction.Things happening from out of nowhere and then explained by the author are two of the features for writing a fictional story.

What do you mean, characters behavior also count on the characters too.
Their behaviors has nothing to do with close to reality or whatever.

Even Nagato who forgot what he said on the book and Naruto redeemed him with his line, but how could he forget that and more stupid why he didnt ressurrected yahiko.

Neither of the villains are close to reality, but worse all of them are fallacious.

 

Sasuke : You never had parents how can you understand me? (fallacy)

Nagato : My pain is greater than yours. ( i think it's fallacy too due to the situation, refusing Naruto's arguments)

Madara : My brother is dead and yours is still alive (i think it's fallacy due to the situation)

Obito : It's certain the same bs but it involves he losing a love interest instead of a friend but the set-up is the same.

Fallacy.

 

The only exception was Kabuto he was close to reality, he wanted power and stuff, wanted to surpass his master and continue his work, 0 fallacy, 0 (mimimi).

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 September 2013 - 04:49 PM.

[T XD]

I dont see it as one of his intentions sadly.

The villains are being seemed of as victims and on real life you know that it's those things are not the cause but rather they made a choice, like when Orochimaru made his choice to become evil and do bad things but then got seemed off as a victim because he wasnt kage.
Sasuke is worse did a lot of crimes and is obviously not going to face any consequence but worse being seemed as a victim when he made his choice to be a villain.

He choose revenge over his friends and he's not going to pay for his evil deeds.(like killing samurais and kumo ninjas) but wow people can argue they are fodders, then the (closer to reality) dies right before the arguments begins.

In real life, things happening in your early life that influence and affect you in a negative way and that determine who you are today is a big probability of the cause of being victims from these influences. Choice is also the cause, but this cause is a choice made later after what happened in your early life which is why you see Kishi showing us flashbacks of the villains of how they were and what happened with them that affected them this badly.

 

In the end, they will have to see the wrong things they have done and thought of which will make for them a way for what happened with them to be ended and settled.

 

P.S: Saw that you edited your post after you posted it while I was replying then deleted my previous post of it to reply to your edited post.

Edited by T XD, 27 September 2013 - 04:55 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

In real life, things happening in your early life that influence and affect you in a negative way and that determine who you are today is a big probability of the cause of being victims from these influences. Choice is also the cause, but this cause is a choice made later after what happened in your early life which is why you see Kishi showing us flashbacks of the villains of how they were and what happened with them that affected them this badly.

 

In the end, they will have to see the wrong things they have done and thought of which will make for them a way for what happened with them to be ended and settled.

But dont change the fact that they will go out unpunished, and mostly important why all the fallacy?

Why having thigns like, let me kill everyone that acknowledges you then i'll listen to you.
The fact is that those villain doesnt have an objective from the very start, it's like dangerous hate machines lurking around and nothing else, when on reality it's not and despite early things affect your life they made a choice and knows the good and the bad things to do, Sasuke knows that he's doing evil things even when he tried to kill Sakura, but no Naruto treats him like he's a victim or a prisoner of hatred in other words an innocent and to sums up if Sasuke killed Sakura there i doubt he would be saying those things.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 September 2013 - 05:02 PM.

[T XD]

But dont change the fact that they will go out unpunished, and mostly important why all the fallacy?

Why having thigns like, let me kill everyone that acknowledges you then i'll listen to you.
The fact is that those villain doesnt have an objective from the very start, it's like dangerous hate machines lurking around and nothing else, when on reality it's not and despite early things affect your life they made a choice and knows the good and the bad things to do, Sasuke knows that he's doing evil things even when he tried to kill Sakura, but no Naruto treats him like he's a victim or a prisoner of hatred and that pisses me off.

They can be punished or die or redeemed by people and it's in the fiction world style I'm talking of in how decisions are putted for the plot's sake. In Naruto, all villains will die except maybe Sasuke and don't know what Kishi is planning for Orochimaru for sure cause I didn't think much of it to know how he'll end up.

 

The choice is what leads to the ending treatment that either they die or live but not like before cause they are grown ups. But, the root of their bad actions are the influences of when they were children which the choice has a source from these influences. People, Naruto characters and villagers, that are judging them now is because it's a choice made or still taken into consideration to be done by a grown up who knows right from wrong. Those who treat them in a not judgmental way is because they understand them and what they have been through.

 

I'm sure everyone of us had been through something that can not be forgotten and/or is hurtful, and when we see someone has gone through the same thing or is experiencing the same, we'll feel what we felt before during this incident and will have at least a thought and an understanding of what they're doing and are going through. This applies to Naruto on why he shows more mercy to Sasuke.

[rocci]

@TXD
Do you mean emphaty?

I think it's more about execution, and if the story convice able or not.

[T XD]

@TXD
Do you mean emphaty?

I think it's more about execution, and if the story convice able or not.

Empathy, yeah, on how Kishi is showing Naruto having empathy towards Sasuke, but Naruto also cause he has experienced the feelings that Sasuke had when they were little.

 

I think Kishi is trying to be more realistic for his villains characters and some other characters.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Empathy, yeah, on how Kishi is showing Naruto having empathy towards Sasuke, but Naruto also cause he has experienced the feelings that Sasuke had when they were little.

 

I think Kishi is trying to be more realistic for his villains characters and some other characters.

Which causes a problem, he does understand Sasuke but should understand it enough that what he's doing is wrong not to view his as an innocent and turn the whole hatred thing an villain.

Like Naruto as an example, he said that their roles could easily be reversed but..

It was due to Naruto's decision, he decided to not give up while Sasuke chose revenge, doesnt matter if they experienced the same thing or not, it's about morality.
Take Hashirama as an example, he was blamed and tagged as a failure because he killed Madara who was selfish and was doing the wrong thing, Tobirama the same thing, he put the uchihas on a special position but was never explained why they were persecuted since on part 1 kishimoto showed how the uchiha had a high reputation on the village and still kishi come up saying they were persecuted and hated(cops are hated deal with it).

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 September 2013 - 06:56 PM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

You can say only the upper echelon, namely Danzo and elders persecuted the Uchiha.  I would go as far to say even Tobirama's actions were persecution though was not to be intended in that way.  The rest of the villagers had no idea what was going on.  The Uchiha's resentment didn't stem from nothing, and as a result, they took to greed in hopes of quelling it.  Of course, it wasn't right, but that's what they decided.

[Dkey]

You can say only the upper echelon, namely Danzo and elders persecuted the Uchiha.  I would go as far to say even Tobirama's actions were persecution though was not to be intended in that way.  The rest of the villagers had no idea what was going on.  The Uchiha's resentment didn't stem from nothing, and as a result, they took to greed in hopes of quelling it.  Of course, it wasn't right, but that's what they decided.

 

I think the persecusion was concerning leadership in the village. You were either related or a student of the first hokage's and you had a far greater chance of becoming hokage or becoming an advisor/councilmember. Probably there was an Uchiha councilmember at one point or at least they had a voice but Uchiha didn't want to be at the same level as the other clans of the village but wanted to be above them on the same footing the senju was. But wonder what happened to the senju clan.

[Hiraishin]

Nope. I laughed too. It's like saying to Sakura, "Don't go to Naruto. You'll poison him."

What?... How? Sakura didn't poison him. She poisoned the kunai that cut him, but she wasn't wielding it - Sasuke was, and he didn't even mean to cut him lmao. It's not like Sakura did it on purpose, haha.