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[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, I can understand what you mean with that statement. Nowadays, I am not as angry as I used to be with this so-called pairings wars. I am just like "all right, if it happens if happens and if it happens wrong, well, at least, I got other interests to keep me occupied."

Well for me, I know what to expect ending wise, I'm just reading it like enjoying the ride. People often read it to see if a pairing gets a share to steal one for the team, but it's just going circle, especially if one won't be relevant, let alone if tone to normal level, it's not as lovely as you wanted it. If you follow me, I have always keep it in normal tone, never go overblown or make it seem like a "romantic" pairing moment, instead of friendship pairing moment. 616 is the only time I laughed because people were pushing me so I have to get a small payback. Honestly, I'm calm but man if they keep pushing me and something that will backfire them back, then I will go more crazy than Death Note near ending scene with Light or that OVA scene with Light in the graveyard. But I digress. The ending is clear, so I'm just enjoying the ride to see how it goes down to it.

[Dkey]

But that would mean Naruto has to be part of this. Naruto needs a conclusion with Obito because Minato is counting on him, so the least he can do is defeat them. That means Kakashi is the starting line for TnJ. I could be wrong but maybe I'm right.

Even thou Naruto seemed to forget Kurama for killing his parents some if not all of the blame for their deaths would be Obito. If he didn't act when he did Naruto would have had a family.

Spiral Zetsu said Minato was away on a mission. And with Kushina's status as a Jinchuuriki, she's probably not allowed to stray far from the village since she's their last-measure weapon. And even if Rin would've known that Kushina would be able to stop her, innocents more would die from the outbreak of their battle. Having two Bijuus fighting smack dab right in the middle of the village is the last thing any village needs.

I actually have the feeling that this mission Minato went on is the mission where he met Ei and Bee. I've got a gut feeling that Kumo was in cahoots with Kiri at the time. Ei and Bee would act as a decoy for Minato, thus preventing him from reaching his students. Kumo and Kiri knew that Minato would be the only person capable of suppressing Isobu.

I forgot about what Zetsu said. Well if that's the case then probably the seal decay was time based and it would've released 3 tails when Rin and Kakashi would've reached the village, thus no time could be left for Kushina or Minato to act. Yet seeing the way Kushina and Minato are as characters if they could they would've helped Rin. But after this Obito goes years later into Konoha and releases the kyuubi on the village. Just like the Myst village wanted to do with the 3 tails.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I am being kinda evil today... But forgive me, I want Sakura to get hurt in front of Naruto because... you know I want to see him react to that. Maybe while healing him, someone attacked them, and she used herself as a shield for Naruto, I guess. But she needs to get really hurt. I'M SO SORRY FOR BEING EVIL I ONLY WANT NARUTO TO REALISE HOW SAKURA CARE FOR HIM MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE!!!! I overreact to much but hope you understand...

I...never thought of that. Hm...If Sakura continues to stay by him on-panel, we can see his reaction whenever she gets hurt. We'll see.

Even thou Naruto seemed to forget Kurama for killing his parents some if not all of the blame for their deaths would be Obito. If he didn't act when he did Naruto would have had a family.

Yeah, so maybe Naruto will meet Obito one more time then. Hm, well it's like I said, it all lies on Kakashi for now. If he fails, then Naruto got to settle it once and for all.

[Akashi]

It was an alright chapter.
So Hinata is getting more panel time all of a sudden and acting all 'heroic'. After all she's ever done/said it looks really out of place. Kind of unnatural if you know what I mean. Oh well.
Good thing is that Kishi didn't forget about Sakura! It's about time we see her shine.
Can't wait to see the outcome of Obito vs Kakashi.

Edited by Tauriel, 09 May 2013 - 08:31 AM.

[Gravenimage]

I think Kishi realized his mistake in not developing Hinata's character after so long in the manga. This is the result he's doing in it all in one arc but there's no need to complain what else to expect from a side character??? Now I would like some development for Shino, Kiba and of course Tenten who hasn't had any at all since the beginning of the manga other than losing to Temari in the chunin exams.

[Akashi]

I couldn't care less about Hinata. I just don't like the fact that it's her who Kishi has to put in almost every chapter doing/saying something, while we get no panels of other, more important characters.

[Nefertieh]

I think that the ninjas around her are all from different villages. Notice that they all have different types of uniforms.

But it is as you said, Kishi wants to show that Hinata has what it takes to be the future leader of the Hyuugas. She's already taking her father's place in the defense of Naruto since he's the key to victory.

Sadly I have the feeling many will try to twist it into making Hinata out to be the greatest waifu ever for defending her man. At least that's what experience tells me some fans will react. That's why I won't go to any discussion boards that involve NH fans.

The problem is that it just seemed out of place. Hinata has already had a substantial amount of development in this arc already, so I'm not sure why there has to be more emphasis on her at the moment. The Hyuuga clan virtually has no role in the politics of the manga.

[redragon88]

The problem is that it just seemed out of place. Hinata has already had a substantial amount of development in this arc already, so I'm not sure why there has to be more emphasis on her at the moment. The Hyuuga clan virtually has no role in the politics of the manga.

Well, if we're being honest there has also been some emphasis on Chouji too. He appeared in the last chapter and in this one commenting about Naruto protecting them.

For all we know Kishi isn't really putting too much thought on the situation. Maybe he just put Hinata there because it felt appropriate at that moment. Sometimes characters appear just for the sake of appearing. It's not always some grand plan.

[Akashi]

Well, if we're being honest there has also been some emphasis on Chouji too. He appeared in the last chapter and in this one commenting about Naruto protecting them.

For all we know Kishi isn't really putting too much thought on the situation. Maybe he just put Hinata there because it felt appropriate at that moment. Sometimes characters appear just for the sake of appearing. It's not always some grand plan.

Lately she's the character that has been appearing/talking the most.

[Nefertieh]

Well, if we're being honest there has also been some emphasis on Chouji too. He appeared in the last chapter and in this one commenting about Naruto protecting them.

For all we know Kishi isn't really putting too much thought on the situation. Maybe he just put Hinata there because it felt appropriate at that moment. Sometimes characters appear just for the sake of appearing. It's not always some grand plan.

I don't think Chouji has been given nearly as much as Hinata in this arc. For me, Hinata's presence in this arc is already complete. Her development for this part is complete, and it ended nicely. Dragging it on doesn't seem right.

[Atheck]

Well, if we're being honest there has also been some emphasis on Chouji too. He appeared in the last chapter and in this one commenting about Naruto protecting them.

Choji has been receiving an excessive amount of development as well. Presumably the reasoning for why no one has been commenting on it much is because of Kishi's present fixation on Hinata's endeavours in this fight. Beyond the confines of Team 7, Choji and his squad have been receiving the greatest amount of focus of anyone in the K11 since Part 2 began. If Kishi were to alternate to another segment group of the rookies, excluding Sakura herself, it might be reasonable to allow Team Guy and the rest of Team 8 the opportunity to exhibit some of their own capabilities both physically and mentally. This should not be an exclusive opportunity for Hinata. The fight with Jubi and Madara may in fact be the final possibility that any of the rookies have to receive some amount of screen time. Kishi should not be reserving it for the benefit of a single character.

For all we know Kishi isn't really putting too much thought on the situation. Maybe he just put Hinata there because it felt appropriate at that moment. Sometimes characters appear just for the sake of appearing. It's not always some grand plan.

This is equally possible. Kishi has alluded to his writing style being of a somewhat impulsive process back during an interview when the Kage Summit arc was occurring. Some components of the manga he has had planned since the beginning but for others he creates it as time passes. Still, if his present desire is to establish Hinata as a more significant character than the other rookies then he's going to receive criticism from proponents and fans of other characters who wish to have more development dedicated to their respective favourites.

[Branden]

I don't think Chouji has been given nearly as much as Hinata in this arc. For me, Hinata's presence in this arc is already complete. Her development for this part is complete, and it ended nicely. Dragging it on doesn't seem right.

it seems natural after 615 that she would play a more active role in protecting Naruto.

how messed up would it be if after Neji died protecting Naruto that she just stuck to the sidelines and said nothing more? right now she's carrying on Neji's will.

like it or not a character shining moments aren't confined to 1 chapter, they are spread out over an arc to make it clear who the shining characters in that arc were.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

it seems natural after 615 that she would play a more active role in protecting Naruto.

how messed up would it be if after Neji died protecting Naruto that she just stuck to the sidelines and said nothing more? right now she's carrying on Neji's will.

like it or not a character shining moments aren't confined to 1 chapter, they are spread out over an arc to make it clear who the shining characters in that arc were.

The problem is what is Neji's will?
He talked only to Naruto and his emphasis was Naruto, he didnt talked with Hinata or had any scene of him saying anything to Hinata.
Neji's will was to die choosing his own death and he died protecting Naruto, as a crap writing it is nothing related with Hinata who was her cousin.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 May 2013 - 11:44 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

I don't think Chouji has been given nearly as much as Hinata in this arc. For me, Hinata's presence in this arc is already complete. Her development for this part is complete, and it ended nicely. Dragging it on doesn't seem right.

Also, considering that 615 is the foundation for her actions here, said foundation is awful. 615 is a mistake that would be best for Kishi to forget ever happened so the least amount of damage possible is done to his story. Since 615 already affected the story, it's even more imperitive that he leave it alone. When the foundation for something is weak, whatever you try to build from it becomes weak as well. In 615, tons of characters were sidelined and put on pause so that Hinata could shine. Not to mention Neji dying for that reason, also (though that was technically 614). That's why I can't just overlook the attention to Hinata lately, and why it's only becoming more and more irritating as time goes on. The foundation for her newfound strength and attention is too weak, unstable, and badly constructed.

[redragon88]

Lately she's the character that has been appearing/talking the most.

So?

I don't think Chouji has been given nearly as much as Hinata in this arc. For me, Hinata's presence in this arc is already complete. Her development for this part is complete, and it ended nicely. Dragging it on doesn't seem right.

Is that a joke?





Kishi isn't dragging on her development, he's just showing that Hinata is indeed starting to act like the leader she's meant to be. This chapter simply shows the results of her character development in 615. This is way better then having her end with that comment about Naruto's big hand.

What you saw in this chapter isn't more development for Hinata, it's just the result of said development so that people understand that she really did grow thanks to dealing with Neji's death.

[Codus N]

Also, considering that 615 is the foundation for her actions here, said foundation is awful. 615 is a mistake that would be best for Kishi to forget ever happened so the least amount of damage possible is done to his story. Since 615 already affected the story, it's even more imperitive that he leave it alone. When the foundation for something is weak, whatever you try to build from it becomes weak as well. In 615, tons of characters were sidelined and put on pause so that Hinata could shine. Not to mention Neji dying for that reason, also (though that was technically 614). That's why I can't just overlook the attention to Hinata lately, and why it's only becoming more and more irritating as time goes on. The foundation for her newfound strength and attention is too weak, unstable, and badly constructed.

Agreed. Progress-wise, Hinata's moment here is fine as it is. But story-wise as a whole, it just doesn't make sense and is too forced as hell.

[Gravenimage]

I don't have a problem with Hinata getting panel time and some spotlight it doesn't change a thing aside from her character development. She's not in the way of NS or been a wall been in the way of the pairing to become canon she never was. NH fans might say otherwise and claim that he's giving her more moments to shine because she's the new" heroine" or that he wants to make NH" canon" but that's not it at all. Sasuke has always been the one true burden for NS to advance and become canon.

Edited by Gravenimage, 09 May 2013 - 12:04 PM.

[Dkey]

So?


Is that a joke?





Kishi isn't dragging on her development, he's just showing that Hinata is indeed starting to act like the leader she's meant to be. This chapter simply shows the results of her character development in 615. This is way better then having her end with that comment about Naruto's big hand.

What you saw in this chapter isn't more development for Hinata, it's just the result of said development so that people understand that she really did grow thanks to dealing with Neji's death.

Hinata couldn't disappear after 615. Kishi had to write her doing something usefull. Now she is protecting Naruto properly with everybody helping her. It's the least all of them could do. Maybe next chapter if the focus remains on Naruto and not go 100% on Obito/Kakashi we will see the others of K11 assisting not just Hinata. In a way for a defensive role she was the best to act as a shield because of her skill set. Now arguably they aren't as strong as they were a few chapters back but all they need to do is survive long enough for Naruto to get healed and his chakra restored OR/AND for Hashirama and the others to join the fight. Again we have to wait for the next chapter ( good thing that it's only a 7 day wait) to see what happens. 615 wasn't the last we have seen of Hinata. There will also come a time when her feelings will come to play regarding Naruto. Now if that happens in the epilogue or in the near future we just don't know.

[Branden]

The problem is what is Neji's will?
He talked only to Naruto and his emphasis was Naruto, he didnt talked with Hinata or had any scene of him saying anything to Hinata.
Neji's will was to die choosing his own death and he died protecting Naruto, as a crap writing it is nothing related with Hinata who was her cousin.

I take it you really don't like Hinata.

I bet if this were Lee encouraging and protecting Naruto so that his Rival wouldn't have died in vain nobody would be complaining. I bet you would all cheer him on in fact. But no, since it's Hinata everything is forced and bad writing.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I take it you really don't like Hinata.

I bet if this were Lee encouraging and protecting Naruto so that his Rival wouldn't have died in vain nobody would be complaining. I bet you would all cheer him on in fact. But no, since it's Hinata everything is forced and bad writing.

I dont dislike her character the problem is just like Codus N, and James and other people said, she does not have basis to become what she is, it's all forced, there'sno development, i dont bother with her having screentime, i bother is she getting stuff with no development, we have characters like Ino, Chouji who had development to become what they are in other hand we had Hinata who just became like that with nothing.

Why he would do that when he was encouraged by Naruto, i would also dislike someome who's capable of encouraging Naruto when earlier got encouraged by him, just like Hinata's case on 615 what development she had ot give that speech? She had none, she was never tested or faced situations like Naruto, she doenst have anybody who sacrificed their lives for her or have people who depends on her.

Also Neji was about to die in vain because instead of beating the Juubi he passed the entire battle protecting his friends literally losing the battle and claiming he was right in front of Obito when it was obvious that he was wrong.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 May 2013 - 12:18 PM.