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[James S Cassidy]

For me the manga to be ruined, something absolutely horrible and vile would have to happen. And now we are talking about stuff like extreme misogyny, someone raping somebody in a graphic scene or Naruto decapitating Sasuke and laughing about it or smt like that. If anything like that happened, the whole manga would be ruined for me. It would no comfort that my favourite pairings happened.

It's not what I am talking about. I mean what if you have a characters who get killed off for no other reason than to support the pairing. If you have a character who completely goes against their original character type and does things that they are not really supposed to be doing.

What if a plot comes along, that makes no sense, happen just so this person can get the couple pairing.

Sasuke has always been evil and vile, but let's say with no cause or reason becomes good and is madly in love with Sakura and they get together. Is this acceptable?

If Hinata from the RtN movie showed up in the manga and she bullied Naruto to be with her. Is this acceptable?

What if Sakura said "I love Naruto" right in the beginning of manga right after she said she loved Sasuke and they got together. Is this acceptable?

I have to see the development. I don't like couples just happening on a whim because it's boring and easy. The better and more thrilling relationships are the ones that go through trials.

If this was NS, (I might not be shipping it as hard)
Pros:
I get bragging rights

Cons:
Kishi is a kitten writer

Well, I ship NS hard, but I want something pure and true. If the relationship happened too easily, then there is no point to it. Even if NS became canon, it would feel like a hollow victory.

Look at how Final Fantasy was with VIII and how Squall was with Rinoa. She was in love with Cypher, but she met squall and became a teammate, she started to open up to him. Squall closed himself off and thought he could only rely on himself. Then he opened up to her.

That made the relationship so perfect and they did fight along the way and have problems, but it was worth it in the end.

Actually to think about it, NS has a similar thing to FVIII

Squall was in love with Rinoa who was in love with Cypher in the beginning. Quistis was in love with Squall, but she later comes to realize that maybe her love was for to be the sister to him that he wanted. Even she makes note of how she might have confused the two feelings.

It's not exact, but it seems rather similar to how things are going now in Part 2.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 23 January 2013 - 11:55 AM.

[六道仙人]

I'll admit that part of this chapter I kept wondering "Where exactly is Sakura?", and then when I saw that hand to help Naruto with his shoulder I thought we would finally see her, so I felt disappointed that it was actually just Hinata. But then I thought that it actually made sense since her open palm was perfect to put a joint back into place. I'm sure Sakura could do it as well, but Hinata's open palm seemed like the quickest and most practical solution for it.

Guys, it's not like Naruto had some open wound, his bone was just out of place and Hinata probably noticed it with her byakugan. She was just the perfect candidate for that specific situation.

This chapter just strengthens my believe that Kishi is leaving Sakura out of the picture on purpose. Last chapter's cover page should be a dead give away that Sakura is still on Kishi's mind. He put her in a battle ready position side by side with Naruto.

As for what reasons he not including her right now, I simply don't know. But if Sakura was just meant to take a basic role as the rest of the characters then she would've at least appeared in the group shot and be attacking the juubi just as the rest.

If Sakura was just meant to keep herself in the background to just heal people then I'm pretty sure that Kishi wouldn't have bothered giving her a speech of how she'll be together with Naruto no matter what he says. What is most telling in her speech is that she singled herself out before mentioning and everyone would fight together with him.

If she was simply going to heal in the background I think it would've looked more appropriate in 573 for her to say something like "Naruto, don't worry, with my healing jutsu I'll get everyone back on their feet so they can help you", but no, she said that they would fight together. I'll hold on to the hope that Kishi is not such a fool as to contradict what he makes characters say, which would be incredibly retarded now considering how he made Hinata's wish more true.

Sakura's absence is something to take notice of and something to be believed to be done on purpose. If Kishi really is saving her for the next arc then she should at least appear with the rest of the giant group fighting with Naruto, she would deserve that much at the very least considering that she's part of Naruto's team.

Sakura has a role to play considering all I just said, and if that isn't the case then Kishi is simply a fool, but I believe he's actually playing everyone for a fool right now. Let's wait and see.

I thinks that would be positive for her... Since the battle is still at the beginning. We knows that Juubi will have at least another transformation... Obito and madara now will be forced to fight the alliance since they've been disconnected from the Juubi, just as Shikaku planned.

Each battle is decided at the end of course... Well, and we aren't still at the end of this battle. So I'm not worried about her lacking... To be honest, not even that thing about naruto's shoulder curated by Hinata hasn't bothered me (since she has the byakugan and can watch clearly the dislocated shoulder).

Edited by 六道仙人, 23 January 2013 - 11:55 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It's not what I am talking about. I mean what if you have a characters who get killed off for no other reason than to support the pairing. If you have a character who completely goes against their original character type and does things that they are not really supposed to be doing.

What if a plot comes along, that makes no sense, happen just so this person can get the couple pairing.

Sasuke has always been evil and vile, but let's say with no cause or reason becomes good and is madly in love with Sakura and they get together. Is this acceptable?

If Hinata from the RtN movie showed up in the manga and she bullied Naruto to be with her. Is this acceptable?

What if Sakura said "I love Naruto" right in the beginning of manga right after she said she loved Sasuke and they got together. Is this acceptable?

I have to see the development. I don't like couples just happening on a whim because it's boring and easy. The better and more thrilling relationships are the ones that go through trials.




Well, I ship NS hard, but I want something pure and true. If the relationship happened too easily, then there is no point to it. Even if NS became canon, it would feel like a hollow victory.

Look at how Final Fantasy was with VIII and how Squall was with Rinoa. She was in love with Cipher, but she met squall and became a teammate, she started to open up to him. Squall closed himself off and thought he could only rely on himself. Then he opened up to her.

That made the relationship so perfect and they did fight along the way and have problems, but it was worth it in the end.

Why he could not with a limit break that deal 9999 with each hit.
i thought he could beat everyone with a single hand.

[James S Cassidy]

Why he could not with a limit break that deal 9999 with each hit.
i thought he could beat everyone with a single hand.

Yeah well XD

He had a hard time beating his own insecurities. The one foe a limit break couldn't destroy.

[六道仙人]

For thosew who are bothered by sakura's absence in this chapter I would suggest to watch this image



If even Akamaru has showed a little, the're still hope for Sakura... Believe it and don't worry

Edited by 六道仙人, 23 January 2013 - 12:03 PM.

[Qia]

Hinata... you relocated my shoulder, just like how you relocated my heart......
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yeah.......
no.

LMAO I'M SO POSTING THAT ON TUMBLR XDD

[Namaenash]

Well, personally I think it was a decent chapter. The Alliance prepared something, then go on with the attack, and followed by another hero talk by Naruto. Nothing really new in this chapter. I'm not sure about everyone, but the level of suspense is not there... The Pein Arc really dwarfs this war arc.

As for Hinata part, well, it truly felt forced and out of place really. I can still accept, if in the past, we were shown that someone with Jouken skills can recover the shoulder lodge. As far as I know, such thing doesn't exist. Even byakugan user was never shown to be able to detect body parts which are dislodged. Not to mention healing. So, you have someone flying around / jumping and heal someone else. That would require a lot of skills and precision I'd say. Which should've been done by a medic or someone who knows how to heal while jumping.

so, yeah, it's unquestionably out of place. This is coming from an old bird witnessing this manga journey (more than a decade ago, when I started to read it for the first time in Japan). Oh well, I'll just read it when the volume for this arc ends. I'll just keep my expectation low... Same approach when I watched Road to Ninja.. Who knows I'll have a pleasant surprise by then.

Signing-off from Naruto for the time being, after following it dearly for a decade+

[六道仙人]

I guess that TentenNaruto is just canon now

[James S Cassidy]

I guess that TentenNaruto is just canon now

Naruto x Everyone FTW. XDD

[Chatte]

God, to me, this is worse than 615 with that big NH moment. Really, it's like Kishi is making us all some fools. What the hell, Kisihi?
God, I'm so disappointed!

[六道仙人]

God, to me, this is worse than 615 with that big NH moment. Really, it's like Kishi is making us all some fools. What the hell, Kisihi?
God, I'm so disappointed!

he's just playing with us (and everyone)...

don't be bothered about this and have a some of patience

Don't worry, Kishi has something in his mind for Sakura. We only must to wait it.

What's annoyed you in this chapter? The fact that Hinata cured naruto's shoulder? Honestyle to me that wasn't a big disappoint..

[Awes9]

I'm not worried about NaruSaku i still believe in it and either way I I'll always like it and prefer it over the other 2 and nothing will change that even not Kishi himself, what I'm worried about Sakura she needs a lot of development and focus for her to grow up and I'm not sure Kishi will provide it ; she doesn't deserve the treatment kishi is giving her.

[luffyq1]

God, to me, this is worse than 615 with that big NH moment. Really, it's like Kishi is making us all some fools. What the hell, Kisihi?
God, I'm so disappointed!

Agreed.

[六道仙人]

That's disappointing me too a quite but I would still have to wait for next chapters (even though next chapter will focus on Sasuke, I think...).

he has definetely something in mind regarding Sakura. I just guess about what... Hopefully she won't have the same destiny as that's Neji...

[Chatte]

he's just playing with us (and everyone)...

don't be bothered about this and have a some of patience

Don't worry, Kishi has something in his mind for Sakura. We only must to wait it.

What's annoyed you in this chapter? The fact that Hinata cured naruto's shoulder? Honestyle to me that wasn't a big disappoint..

I'm having patience for years.
After Kazekage rescue Arc, no significant Sakura actions.
How many years my patience has to last?
Sakura missing and Hinata taking her place, that's what annoyed me in this chapter.
She's been doing this ever since the friggin' war started.
I don't care about pairings anymore, to be honest.
Kishi has ruined Sakura. Period.
And what's bad it's that it's beyond repair.

[六道仙人]

I'm having patience for years.
After Kazekage rescue Arc, no significant Sakura actions.
How many years my patience has to last?
Sakura missing and Hinata taking her place, that's what annoyed me in this chapter.
She's been doing this ever since the friggin' war started.
I don't care about pairings anymore, to be honest.
Kishi has ruined Sakura. Period.
And what's bad it's that it's beyond repair.

meh, be honest here... he hasn't just ruined Sakura only after this chapter... I would wait until the end of this battle. He promised that our favourite characters will shine. But I understand your angry anyway. This man just likes to playing up with us, as always.

Men, I've really a huge patience towards this man. I hope that one day he'll give me back

Edited by 六道仙人, 23 January 2013 - 12:53 PM.

[redragon88]

God, to me, this is worse than 615 with that big NH moment. Really, it's like Kishi is making us all some fools. What the hell, Kisihi?
God, I'm so disappointed!

I think the disappointment comes from the fact that we kept theorizing how Sakura was gonna come and heal Naruto's shoulder ever since we saw him complain about it.

This is the danger of putting your expectations to high. In the end it actually made sense for Hinata to do it, but since we want to see Sakura be involved so much in the fight we can't help but come up with scenarios.

Sakura will have a role. Her absence is way to notable. Kishi is doing it on purpose. And something to take note of is that the last time we saw her was when she looked at Hinata encouraging Naruto. This all seems to fishy.

Sakura's speech in 573 would be too much of a contradiction of she just stayed in the background.

[James S Cassidy]

I'm having patience for years.
After Kazekage rescue Arc, no significant Sakura actions.
How many years my patience has to last?
Sakura missing and Hinata taking her place, that's what annoyed me in this chapter.
She's been doing this ever since the friggin' war started.
I don't care about pairings anymore, to be honest.
Kishi has ruined Sakura. Period.
And what's bad it's that it's beyond repair.

He has ruined a lot more than that.

The only love he has been given anything to is Hinata. Every other character, even Naruto himself, has been shelved recently. I don't just mean in terms of attentions, but character development.

It's still very sad that, to me, in order for Hinata to look better he has to make every other character look worse.

However, whining is not going to make what I want come any quicker which is why I am taking it easy and just waiting.

[Enkai]

I'm having patience for years.
After Kazekage rescue Arc, no significant Sakura actions.
How many years my patience has to last?
Sakura missing and Hinata taking her place, that's what annoyed me in this chapter.
She's been doing this ever since the friggin' war started.
I don't care about pairings anymore, to be honest.
Kishi has ruined Sakura. Period.
And what's bad it's that it's beyond repair.

I get what your saying about ruining Sakura but I think he can still fix it, the main thing is that it's not only Sakura that is missing but also Sai. In otherwords the remaining members of team 7, Sakura may well have gone to see Tsunade maybe Sai was also reverse summoned although unlikely I still think there must be something big that will happen with Sakura's character. Overall I think this chapter is primarily aimed at Lee's development it just so happened that Hinata was next to Naruto when his shoulder was dislocated even though I admit it is strange she knew it was dislocated... It would have been much worse if it had shown Sakura just standing there and then have Hinata fix Naruto's shoulder, so we should all be glad that didn't happen!

Overall just read the next coming chapters without expecting too much and if Sakura does appear and does happen to do something big then it would be like a nice surprise right?

[Tsubaki]

found it on tumblr.. quite interesting

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NaruSaku and NaurHina metaphor

The difference in the way Kishimoto has been writing NaruSaku and NaruHina in the manga reminds me of two college students preparing a term paper.

The first student begins planning the paper at the start of the semester, considering numerous topics before settling on one, making frequent trips to the library to gather research, and setting aside the time every day to work on the draft bit by bit, even if it’s only a few sentences. This slow go allows the student to make steady improvements to the paper over time, until the due date arrives and the student turns in a polished piece worthy of an A grade.

This first student represents NaruSaku and its development throughout the series.

The second student gives the paper a few thoughts early on in the semester, but forgets about it pretty soon after. Whenever the professor reminds the class that this is not the sort of assignment that should be left to the last minute, he waves away the professor’s words, certain it’s can’t be that big of a deal and that the paper will get done eventually. Weeks and weeks pass, the paper is due the next day, and suddenly, the second student realizes he’s barely done any research or writing at all, and this paper just is not writing itself. Hours burning the midnight oil result in a finished paper, but the final product is rushed and worthy of a C grade.

This second student represents how Kishimoto has treated NaruHina throughout the series.

As the manga’s close approaches ever nearer, it’s seeming more and more likely that NaruHina will be endgame, and while the pairing itself doesn’t bother me (I think their personalities mesh well and all that), I sincerely wish it had been more developed. For all their foibles, the relationship between Naruto and Sakura has been the most developed in the entire series, which gives me respect for the pairing, even if I don’t actively ship it most of the time (I prefer my crack pairings thank you very much). These last few chapters with Naruto and Hinata have just seemed so last-minute, and it disappoints me how poorly cultivated the pairing was. Because NaruHina could have been amazing, but because Kishimoto’s had to go and rush it and make it less than stellar.