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[shadow_Uzumaki]

50 something Tsunade is currently 54 in the manga. (She'll be 55 when the storyline gets to late summer. August 2nd is supposed to be her birthday. Currently it's sometime in spring in the storyline)

So I'm off by 6 years. My point still remains, she's an old woman who'll still punch you so hard you'll fly and see the curvature of the Earth.

Details, details.

[FoolishYoungling]

So I'm off by 6 years. My point still remains, she's an old woman who'll still punch you so hard you'll fly and see the curvature of the Earth.

Details, details.

Are you saying that she shouldn't be as strong as she really is? I find it all humorous, not to mention she helped Sakura's small arms become a monster killer... *CHAA*

[ciardha]

So I'm off by 6 years. My point still remains, she's an old woman who'll still punch you so hard you'll fly and see the curvature of the Earth.

Details, details.

I think President Obama would be amused that you would consider him "old" at 50 years old. You kids today

[Fliss]

I think President Obama would be amused that you would consider him "old" at 50 years old. You kids today

Who said anything about Obama?

50 is old. You're life is more than half over lol
Not that I mean offense to Tsunade. I think her age makes her strength even more impressive.

[ciardha]

Who said anything about Obama?

50 is old. You're life is more than half over lol

Only if you plan on dying before you're 90, I've had several ancestors who lived past 100. Human beings are capable of living into their 120's- so therefore "old" wouldn't be until 70. Heh, don't you know- life begins at 40. There's a reason why the 40's-60's are the "prime of life". It's funny how in the teens so many people believe all the joy in life ends at 30 and you are old at 50. I knew differently even when I was a kid because I was around my extended family a lot. I saw even my great aunts and uncles with that self-assurance that only comes to you around the time you hit 40, and that to me was what being a "grown up" meant. Not this dour, dreary trudge toward death, but strength and vibrancy. I wondered about that self-assured mischievous laugh that only came to my female relatives around the time they hit 40. Then I hit 40 (five years ago and found out. It does feel like your life really has finally started, you feel like you have indeed hit the prime of your life.

Interestingly enough, Kishimoto does communicate this better than most mangaka. Tsunade, even at her lowest moments almost always radiates strength and assurance. Look at Team 10's parents too, same strength and self assurance. Not a bind self inflated ego, but a 'I can handle this, and see it through." Ei does have a big ego (and a even hotter and more violent temper than Tsunade , but that's his character flaw, and it's based on his real skill- he really is that uber and still very much in his prime somewhere in his 50's. (Jiraiya was too)

Note how the point was made even in part 1 that a shinobi doesn't get past prime until around the time they hit 70. Yet even then Hiruzen and Chiyo were tough opponents for someone in their prime years. Look how tough Ei's father was too... Even Oonoki, with his bad back, and probably around 75-80 years old is still no push over.

[RedDelicious]

Hmmm... Sorry to bring up this topic again but something has been troubling me for the past few hours.
If it is true that Naruto's Kyubi mode reacts to zetsu's cells and causes him to sprout trees, then when the clone naruto punched that zetsu attacking hinata how come that zetsu did not sprout trees? On the last page of that chapter, we see naruto pointing up and sakura possibly going with him , but naruto is standing on the white zetsu's backs and they are sprouting trees right? So if it is the real clone naruto that saved hinata then how come the Kyubi mode did not react to the zetsu?Sorry If I make no sense....

Naruto didn't punch any of the Zetsus that were attacking Hinata. Look at pages 20 and 21 again.
He blocked their swords with his arm, which is the case on both pages. You might have been confused by seeing Sakura's and Team 10's battles too.

What is a shame (if we wanted to tease NH supporters ) is that we see Naruto directing the big guy on page 19. But we are missing the scene right before pages 18-19, where Naruto is telling the big guy to beat the daylights out of "Hinata".

Edited by RedDelicious, 08 October 2011 - 09:29 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

Oh yeah... He blocked their swords with his arms. Now I feel embarrased....

Reminds me of too many scenes in Bleach.

topic: what do you guys think "Kuchiyose no justu" will do?

Edited by NaruSaku1, 09 October 2011 - 01:53 AM.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Only if you plan on dying before you're 90, I've had several ancestors who lived past 100. Human beings are capable of living into their 120's- so therefore "old" wouldn't be until 70. Heh, don't you know- life begins at 40. There's a reason why the 40's-60's are the "prime of life". It's funny how in the teens so many people believe all the joy in life ends at 30 and you are old at 50. I knew differently even when I was a kid because I was around my extended family a lot. I saw even my great aunts and uncles with that self-assurance that only comes to you around the time you hit 40, and that to me was what being a "grown up" meant. Not this dour, dreary trudge toward death, but strength and vibrancy. I wondered about that self-assured mischievous laugh that only came to my female relatives around the time they hit 40. Then I hit 40 (five years ago and found out. It does feel like your life really has finally started, you feel like you have indeed hit the prime of your life.

Interestingly enough, Kishimoto does communicate this better than most mangaka. Tsunade, even at her lowest moments almost always radiates strength and assurance. Look at Team 10's parents too, same strength and self assurance. Not a bind self inflated ego, but a 'I can handle this, and see it through." Ei does have a big ego (and a even hotter and more violent temper than Tsunade , but that's his character flaw, and it's based on his real skill- he really is that uber and still very much in his prime somewhere in his 50's. (Jiraiya was too)

Note how the point was made even in part 1 that a shinobi doesn't get past prime until around the time they hit 70. Yet even then Hiruzen and Chiyo were tough opponents for someone in their prime years. Look how tough Ei's father was too... Even Oonoki, with his bad back, and probably around 75-80 years old is still no push over.

...Right.

[FoolishYoungling]

Okay.. new topic:

We need more Sasuke! I want to see him develop more and get even stronger. Why can't they show him in more than like just once every 20 chapters?... I don't want Naruto vs Sasuke to come to a close so easily because one of them was too powerless!

[tricksie]

Only if you plan on dying before you're 90, I've had several ancestors who lived past 100. Human beings are capable of living into their 120's- so therefore "old" wouldn't be until 70. Heh, don't you know- life begins at 40. There's a reason why the 40's-60's are the "prime of life". It's funny how in the teens so many people believe all the joy in life ends at 30 and you are old at 50. I knew differently even when I was a kid because I was around my extended family a lot. I saw even my great aunts and uncles with that self-assurance that only comes to you around the time you hit 40, and that to me was what being a "grown up" meant. Not this dour, dreary trudge toward death, but strength and vibrancy. I wondered about that self-assured mischievous laugh that only came to my female relatives around the time they hit 40. Then I hit 40 (five years ago and found out. It does feel like your life really has finally started, you feel like you have indeed hit the prime of your life.

Interestingly enough, Kishimoto does communicate this better than most mangaka. Tsunade, even at her lowest moments almost always radiates strength and assurance. Look at Team 10's parents too, same strength and self assurance. Not a bind self inflated ego, but a 'I can handle this, and see it through." Ei does have a big ego (and a even hotter and more violent temper than Tsunade , but that's his character flaw, and it's based on his real skill- he really is that uber and still very much in his prime somewhere in his 50's. (Jiraiya was too)

Note how the point was made even in part 1 that a shinobi doesn't get past prime until around the time they hit 70. Yet even then Hiruzen and Chiyo were tough opponents for someone in their prime years. Look how tough Ei's father was too... Even Oonoki, with his bad back, and probably around 75-80 years old is still no push over.

I think, historically, there are not many cultures which put such an emphasis on youth as our contemporary/modern cuture does. And I think that's to our detriment. Just like in one of the other threads about dating/sexlife @ 16. A little bit of maturity changes the experiences so much: friends, love, "sex" at 16 are a world apart from those of age 26, and so on, just as your worldview has changed from age 6 to 16. I think life, and your own understanding of it, only gets richer.

And as ciardha pointed out, it's definitely to Kishimoto's credit that he includes so many multi-generational characters in such vital roles. Tsunade and Jiraiya are middle age, and certainly bad ass. But look at Chiyo, Grannie and Grandpa frog, the old flying kage and the sword-wielding leader of the land of iron (sorry it's late and i can't remember their names), as well as Danzou and the Third Hokage. They are well into their senior years and are the most formidable of all. That's not just a few token characters in supporting roles. Older, multi-generational characters make up a big chunk of his cast. I think that's pretty exceptional in any genre.

Edited by tricksie, 09 October 2011 - 05:02 AM.

[Phantom_999]

I think, historically, there are not many cultures which put such an emphasis on youth as our contemporary/modern cuture does. And I think that's to our detriment. Just like in one of the other threads about dating/sexlife @ 16. A little bit of maturity changes the experiences so much: friends, love, "sex" at 16 are a world apart from those of age 26, and so on, just as your worldview has changed from age 6 to 16. I think life, and your own understanding of it, only gets richer.

And as ciardha pointed out, it's definitely to Kishimoto's credit that he includes so many multi-generational characters in such vital roles. Tsunade and Jiraiya are middle age, and certainly bad ass. But look at Chiyo, Grannie and Grandpa frog, the old flying kage and the sword-wielding leader of the land of iron (sorry it's late and i can't remember their names), as well as Danzou and the Third Hokage. They are well into their senior years and are the most formidable of all. That's not just a few token characters in supporting roles. Older, multi-generational characters make up a big chunk of his cast. I think that's pretty exceptional in any genre.

OOOOKAYYY? How bout we predict what will happen with regards to NS instead next chapter

Edited by Phantom_999, 09 October 2011 - 11:11 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

OOOOKAYYY? How bout we predict what will happen with regards to NS instead next chapter

NS fanboy opinion:
Sakura: Ohh look how big and muscler your arms have gotten!
Naruto: Why don't we go make love right beside Sasuke and Hinata?
Sakura: Okay!


Honest opinion:
Sakura: Kakashi! are you okay (just a guess they will be helping Kakashi)
Kakashi: your just in time!
Naruto: lets deal with this guy/these guys


does this seem right?

[Super Boom]

OOOOKAYYY? How bout we predict what will happen with regards to NS instead next chapter

I don't think much will happen with N/S next chapter, it's only a clone with her after all. There's a possibility something will happen at the medic camp, but I think it's more likely we'll see something happening with the real Naruto and Bee (wherever they're going) or with the clone that just saved Hinata. At the end of the chapter, we saw panels of the clones helping out Sakura and Team 10, so we can safely assume what's going on at those fronts without seeing them next chapter. With the one that saved Hinata, though, he only blocked the enemies' attacks, so there's more to conclude on that front, if Kishi wanted to focus on something over there. Though I personally think the most likely scenario is that the thing that Kabuto/Muu summoned will go for the real Naruto and Bee, and maybe we'll see the beginning of the end for Killer Bee. I hope not, but I feel like he has to be captured eventually, since Madara already has the Kyuubi chakra through Kingaku and Gingaku.

Back to N/S though, I suppose we might see what all the clones are doing at some point in the next chapter or so, and maybe we'll see a small hint between Sakura and the Naruto clone.
Also, I mentioned it earlier, but I'm liking how, despite the fact that Naruto reunited with several characters this chapter, the WSJ preview from a few weeks ago only mentioned how Naruto would be going to where Sakura is. To me, that tells me that Kishi, or Kishi's editor (whose opinion I assume would mostly the reflect what the fandom wants), cares more about Naru/Saku than any of the other character relationships. Unless the original preview was a post by a lucky troll who was just off by two weeks, I'm enjoying the implication of this.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 10 October 2011 - 12:54 AM.

[tricksie]

OOOOKAYYY? How bout we predict what will happen with regards to NS instead next chapter

um, no thanks

Ages ago we had been discussing the difference between the Naruto-Sakura interaction and the Naruto-Hinata interaction in this chapter. I don't know if anyone else thought this, but I thought it was quite a joke that Kishimoto played by ending the page on a panel where the audience is made to believe Naruto is about to intervene and save Hinata...only to flip the page and see her kicked through the air. The two interactions were certainly built that way to make you believe it she was going to get the same treatment as Sakura.

It was also interesting the pov was certainly tightly focused on Naruto and Sakura in their interaction, close faces and straight-on speech, while their body positions where facing each other. In the Naru/Hina interaction, it was much more muddled, many more people involved and with the switcheroo of not knowing which was Hinata and which wasn't, and finally having the Naru/Hina moment not be face-to-face. Rather with her in a helpless, hero-worship position behind him. And a final, possibly unintentional stroke to undermining the NH interaction, the audience is not even completely sure the Naruto is an authentic clone or a zetsu.

So even though the actions, on the surface, seem parallel, they way the characters are portrayed and the finer points of their interactions paint quite a different picture.

This is the stuff I find interesting — how does Kishimoto tell his visual story and get the reader to feel a certain way, without the use of words. Sometimes it doesn't matter, like in a battle situation where there's a clear winner and loser, good guy and bad guy. But here, there's a definite suspense, and the carefully crafted images only reinforce it. Sometimes Kishimoto's plot handling can leave me flat, but sometimes he can work magic in the visual storytelling.

Anyway, anyone else feel that way about the Hinata panel, that maybe Kishimoto was pulling one over on us? Also, it interesting that he chose to have Hinata be the one that's physically pummeled in that stark panel where she/zetsu is kicked, instead of showing something violent happening to Sakura. Hinata's fanbase quite adores her, while Sakura has so many detractors from lots of ships. They hate Sakura and don't seem to care about Hinata. So imagine if it was the other way around and Sakura was in the scene getting kicked in the ribs! There would be de-motivational posters all over deviant art about it! They would say she deserved it, she's getting her own medicine, blah, blah, blah, all feeding into all those fanfic sterotypes we hate.

So it's interesting that he shows Hinata in a fake violence situation (you know: it's her, but it's not), whereas he chooses to show Sakura with the real threat. The leering mouths and faces and fists of people going straight for her, and her alone. Hinata's threat is less specific to her, and does not carry as much weight for the audience, even though she portrayed in an overtly violent situation. I can't help but think Kishimoto took into account the general attitudes toward the two ships when he created these panels.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

I know what'll happen! This is my speculation:

Kishimoto will show us what happens next chapter!

Lookin' forward to it.

[Anguyen92]

Well, whatever happens in the next chapter, should have, like everything else that should be in a story, some sort of long-term meaning or something like that whether it would be a pairings thing or a plot thing. Hope it comes on a Tuesday again, I am stoked for it as always.

Edited by Anguyen92, 10 October 2011 - 04:08 AM.

[FoolishYoungling]

Well, whatever happens in the next chapter, should have, like everything else that should be in a story, some sort of long-term meaning or something like that whether it would be a pairings thing or a plot thing. Hope it comes on a Tuesday again, I am stoked for it as always.

Yeah man! I'm getting really pumped for it. HOOOPPPEEE for it to be on tuesday!

[Nutt Man 117]

Finally have a chance to review
To caught up with getting sidetracked and thinking about what everyone else said on the recent chapter. We haven't topped this many replies in a while.
So glad Naruto finally caught up with his fellow Leaf Ninja. More importantly Naruto is back with Sakura after around 70 chapters. God I hope to see them fight together! I'd pay big bucks to see it happen
Dan's dialogue was of great interest also. Instantly making a comparison to Nawaki and himself. Although I can't remember when he entered the battle field Team 9 were on. They didn't explain how they captured him in that barrier either. But I'm assuming his part in the war isn't finished there.
Also I just remembered, has Naruto had any concerns of what happened to Captain Yamato ever since his capture? We haven't seen him for a while including Anko. I miss Yamato's scary face and Anko.... being disturbing as usual I wonder who will save them. I imagine Yamato would be grieved if Kakashi saved him. Kakashi will be all smug and quietly rub it in his face.

[Soul]

I really dont understand the thing about Dan and Nawaki that everyone speaking of... can someone explain it to me please?

Edited by Roy menethil, 10 October 2011 - 10:41 AM.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

I really dont understand the thing about Dan and Nawaki that everyone speaking of... can someone explain it to me please?

Dan was Tsunade's Boyfriend/fiance I think, he had a dream like Naruto's to become Hokage but died in Tsunade's hands on a mission. Nawaki is Tsunade's younger brother he acted just like Naruto and had the same dream as Dan and Naruto to become Hokage. In a way that's why Tsunade's so protective of Naruto, do to Nawaki and Dan dieing and not being able to fulfill there dreams.

Edited by Fyuria'sLeo, 10 October 2011 - 12:47 PM.