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[rocci]

I defintively disagree, Kishi is the most predictable writer I have ever seen, but being predictable is not a bad thing since what matters is the journey and frankly put the journey is horrendous. At this point the end journey doesn't matter since the writing is subpar at best.

so that mean ns has the higher change to become canon or they are already canon?

[Gravenimage]

Kishi could still back-stab us by doing another parallel with Hinata later during the war. Minato is still here, so he can make a comment about Hinata later... i came to be sure about one thing : Kishi likes to surprise us. That's why he's made so much suspense with pairings, and about Naruto in particular because he's the hero. I think Kishi knows pretty well about the pairing war, and i think he wanted to play with it a little to add spice to his manga.

So i can never be sure of what he will do.

Yes he's made a parallel Sakura / Kushina about the tsundere thing. But maybe later he will make a parallel Hinata / Kushina with something else, like Hinata protecting Naruto, risking her life, like she has already did...

He still can say that Sasuke always loved Sakura but never allowed himself to show it openly...

He can do anything.

 

I'm not sure about Kishimoto anymore since he did so many things with Hinata.

I'm not sure of the reason why he made all those things. Maybe it's to nurture pairing war, maybe it's just for Hinata character development... for example, why the hell did he show Hinata while Sakura was called Naruto's girlfriend by his father ?

Things seemed pretty clear back then when Yamato made that comment to Sakura. He never finished his sentence but hell the end of the sentence was obvious.

Everything was made for us to think he was gonna say *that*.

Back then, Hinata was just a secondary character, as she always have been, and she always be in my opinion.

But lately he gave so much importance to her i don't understand him anymore.

 

Every week before every chapter, i'm in fear that he will broke my heart.

He made me (and so much readers) love Naru/Saku so much i would be terribly upset that he would do NaruHina...

 

I only see Kishi trolling the fandom with Hinata until the end. He had so many chances to make parallels with her but he hasn't done so. The only parallels when it comes to couples have all been involved with NS coincidence??? I don't think so. Hinata isn't important a side character will always be a side character no matter how you look at it. I'm pretty sure MInato or any of the kages will not even notice Hinata's presence in the battlefield since they're all focus on the Jiuubi.

Edited by Gravenimage, 23 June 2013 - 03:51 AM.

[Weltall]

so that mean ns has the higher change to become canon or they are already canon?

Of course NS will happen but here is the problem from my point of view : NS will happen not thanks to their relationship in itself but because of the plot, the plot itself supports NS but the relationship is damaged and has been damaged in the land of Iron arc by all the stupid drama ; it's exactly the same with the others big "revelations" like Itachi is a good guy (this one is the worst) or Obito (the timeline, the change in the character...). With Kishi you simply go by what is obvious and you wait for him to throw in some curveballs that will damage the revelation itself. Of course Kishi can still go to the no pairing end but there's too much to support NS, unfortunately I think the former would be the best outcome.
I may be wrong but I learnt my lesson with the 2 previous revelations the potential was there but the revelation the "how" and "why" has left me stunned by how stupid it was, not much hope left and I think a lot of people will be disappointed when NS will be canon because of the way it happened. Just my humble opinion of course but I don't trust Kishi his writing has been extremely sloppy lately. Well at least I will gain 200 euros from my NaruHina friend, I already made quite a few bucks thanks to Obito.

[bthug]

Just step for a moment and imagine NS not happening. How bizzare, think of what needs to happen that would undo all of the moments and just obvious hints. Its too much to overcome now, We are the end game.

[rikakim94]

Of course NS will happen but here is the problem from my point of view : NS will happen not thanks to their relationship in itself but because of the plot, the plot itself supports NS but the relationship is damaged and has been damaged in the land of Iron arc by all the stupid drama ; it's exactly the same with the others big "revelations" like Itachi is a good guy (this one is the worst) or Obito (the timeline, the change in the character...). With Kishi you simply go by what is obvious and you wait for him to throw in some curveballs that will damage the revelation itself. Of course Kishi can still go to the no pairing end but there's too much to support NS, unfortunately I think the former would be the best outcome.
I may be wrong but I learnt my lesson with the 2 previous revelations the potential was there but the revelation the "how" and "why" has left me stunned by how stupid it was, not much hope left and I think a lot of people will be disappointed when NS will be canon because of the way it happened. Just my humble opinion of course but I don't trust Kishi his writing has been extremely sloppy lately. Well at least I will gain 200 euros from my NaruHina friend, I already made quite a few bucks thanks to Obito.

 

You know.....you brought up really good points about naruto as of now i really do not understand why narusaku has to be plot driven i just want naruto and sakura have a decent conversation like in the begining of part 2 , but i guess sasuke dramatization is much more important than individual character and romance development.

 

Second issue that im much more concerned about is the possible regression towards naruto and sakura over sasuke. I have to admit the begining of this volume i had a little hope that the new volume might try redeem the drama of the previous volume. When sasuke showed up the quality steadily started to drop from their on.

 

For the first bolded part : Kishi has been doing this a lot lately just when he's about to execute his good ideas he just rushes it therefore creating a poor execution or worse create more questions than answers. As for narusaku i hate to see it happen in such a sloppy matter, but it might happen if kishi continues to fool around with other rival pairings or as i said before the unnecessary sasuke dramatization. 

 

The second bolded : Not going to lie, but it will impact many fans in such degree that naruto forums might close down. worse of all constant negative articles will appear making some pretty good points of why NS happened.

 

I really really don't mean to sound like a debbie downer, but this is my final chance i will give to kishi if its going to take the death of sai to knock some senses into naruto and sakura just because kishi for some reason can't make both his main characer and main heroine overcome there sasuke problem themselves.

I will stop reading this series im sick and tired of seeing the progression regression over and over again with these two. 

 

I will elaborate later on other issues of the manga that's harming the quality as of lately for now that's all i have to say. 

[Dragunov]

Spoiler Alert: Naruto says something stupid next chapter. Also, Sasuke. Lots of that guy.

 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Of course NS will happen but here is the problem from my point of view : NS will happen not thanks to their relationship in itself but because of the plot, the plot itself supports NS but the relationship is damaged and has been damaged in the land of Iron arc by all the stupid drama ; it's exactly the same with the others big "revelations" like Itachi is a good guy (this one is the worst) or Obito (the timeline, the change in the character...). With Kishi you simply go by what is obvious and you wait for him to throw in some curveballs that will damage the revelation itself. Of course Kishi can still go to the no pairing end but there's too much to support NS, unfortunately I think the former would be the best outcome.
I may be wrong but I learnt my lesson with the 2 previous revelations the potential was there but the revelation the "how" and "why" has left me stunned by how stupid it was, not much hope left and I think a lot of people will be disappointed when NS will be canon because of the way it happened. Just my humble opinion of course but I don't trust Kishi his writing has been extremely sloppy lately. Well at least I will gain 200 euros from my NaruHina friend, I already made quite a few bucks thanks to Obito.

I think the same, drama damaged NS, it should had been canon after the land of iron but Kishi skipped a moment where he could talk with Sakura and after being fainted he goes to another place.

[Gravenimage]

Spoiler Alert: Naruto says something stupid next chapter. Also, Sasuke. Lots of that guy.

 

 

Let me guess" I'm in love with Hinata"

[Akashi]

Spoiler Alert: Naruto says something stupid next chapter. Also, Sasuke. Lots of that guy.

 

The chapter will probably be 50/50 NaruSasu & KakaObi centered...

[Otaru]

I defintively disagree, Kishi is the most predictable writer I have ever seen, but being predictable is not a bad thing since what matters is the journey and frankly put the journey is horrendous. At this point the end journey doesn't matter since the writing is subpar at best.

I agree with you i always found Kishi predictable back then.

But since some chapters, not anymore.

I just hope i'm wrong.

Maybe Kishi has played to much with pairings.

 

Like someone else here said, if NaruSaku happen now, with things like they are, i will be a little disappointed because they lack some discussions and Kishi had been too ambiguous.

Edited by Otaru, 23 June 2013 - 11:28 AM.

[Verilance]

I defintively disagree, Kishi is the most predictable writer I have ever seen, but being predictable is not a bad thing since what matters is the journey and frankly put the journey is horrendous. At this point the end journey doesn't matter since the writing is subpar at best.

 

The first part may be true I find Naruto easy to read on terms of patterns but the second point is entirely subjective I like the story I would rather read Naruto than many other Manga considered popular.

[rocci]

I think the same, drama damaged NS, it should had been canon after the land of iron but Kishi skipped a moment where he could talk with Sakura and after being fainted he goes to another place.

hmm no wonder there are no ns moment after kage summit arc, because kishi separate them to the point he literally cut sakura screen time and make naruto drink amnesia potion to make sure naruto forget that he love sakura for 3 year in rl. and whenever any pairing moment he skip it. example :

1. when sakura ask naruto "if you don't like me, just say it" than naruto change to another topic.
2. when he met kushina, naruto ask her lovelife and when he remind the advice he skip the girlfriend part.
3. when he met sakura in kyuubi mode for the first time, he only say "are you hurt sakura?"(i belive this is a foreshadowing)
4. and the last one when minato ask sakura if she is his girlfriend, the one who answer that is naruto. why?

all that thing would lead ns to canon and will downplay VERY HARD chapter 615.

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of course.

do you know, that from not many shonen manga that i read, especially battle manga genre, it's rare to have a case like naruto.

most battle shonen jump manga ussually oblivious to love, or love someone but didn't have love rival.

 

but naruto is different, he chose sakura from the moment sakura introduce, and even after know she love someone else he still make sacrifice because he don't want to see her sad. and that's love my friend.

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Nice work but i feel that the comparison on certain part is wrong specifically on the part that say "Naruto's feelings for Sakura are serious" and then compare to Sakura and Hinata.

Naruto's love cant be compared to Sakura and Hinata's because really those two girls, Sakura on the begining on the part 1 her love for Sasuke was the motivation of her life and her rivalry with Ino she even says "I only want you to notice me" and when Kakashi asked them what are their motivations Sakura shows off the same thing.

Heck she even wanted to betray the village because of it.

But on part 2 it changed her motivation was to become strong and protect both Naruto and Sasuke and help Naruto to become hokage.

 

Hinata heck her love for Naruto is the whole motivation of her life and it's connected to all her goals.

 

But with Naruto, it was a childish crush, but later become love due to Sakura's traits, but still his love for her was never a motivation of his life, he wants to be hokage but his love for Sakura is not connected not even mentioned, and also many other things like wanting to be acknowledged by the village and even why he wants to save Sasuke, it's looks like the Poal was just another of the things that Naruto does to not see Sakura sad(emotional sacrifice), his desire for her happiness and the whoel "how can i" i just an excuse really, i dont think he would ever try to confess his love for Sakura because it needed Sai to do it for him, Naruto would never do this because it doesnt make sense, how he would confess if he thinks that she really loves Sasuke, what's the purpose of it?

When he tries to hide it and even turn his date requests into a joke.

it's like Obito when he went to confess to Rin but in the end dropped it because he knew that she loves Kakashi and still thinks that way.

 

So they think that Naruto's love for Sakura is not serious because it was never a motivation of his life or neither any of his goals.

 

I feel that Naruto's confession is not needed and neither important because the impact of it already happened when Sai told her that Naruto loves her.

It's like Hinata trying to sacrifice her life for Naruto again.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 23 June 2013 - 02:56 PM.

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Nice

[bthug]

The chapter will probably be 50/50 NaruSasu & KakaObi centered...

Looking forward to the parallels

[Inferno180]

Still theres just too much right now laid all out in front with NS and there are still just so many arguments which try to basically sum up it all as just vanishing and going away, its not going too. SS is cracking up and NH cannot just get a free pass. Just too much for NS to just conveniently go away as some would argue. We knew for a long time SS and NH could not just vanish, look what is happening, SS may finally be at breaking point. Things are not going to remain the same with Sakura towards Sasuke, the time of her maturing can be soon and following that its not too hard to imagine some type of moment between Naruto and Sakura, especially before the naruto vs Sasuke fight.

[rocci]

@darkess
Why not naruto try to confess to sakura?
It is necessary to make a pairing canon. And if naruto indeed confess to sakura than will answer( either she accept or not is another story) while obito drop it because at that the other friend come into scene, and obito indeed know that rin kakashi but he stil love her just like naruto to sakura. Obito even regret why he can't confess to rin.
And all confession always follow with answer except Hinata confession who only want to say love to naruto because at that time she tought that was her last change before naruto dead.