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[Phantom_999]

As long as Naruto shows his BOUNDLESS LOVE for  his one true soulmate Hinata Hyuga nothing else matters in their minds ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Bail o' Lies]

You know what's one thing that really bothers me? Naruto three away his mother's scarf and Hinata's fanboys don't give a damn.

...No No No. That wasn't his mothers scarf...It would have made more sense but that wasn't Kushina's scarf.

 

Kushina's scarf was the one Naruto was wearing throughout the film (Blue and Yellow one) that made Hinata give up the second she saw it and Naruto had to throw it away to please her. Because no one is allowed to love or be loved by Naruto except Hinata.

 

The Red Scarf of Fate when he was three was just some random scarf. Its only importance was that he lost it defending Hinata from some bullies when he was three. Then she kept by her bedside for 15 years.

 

I know people keep forgetting that because it makes more sense to tie Hinata with a scarf Kushina made to add some connection and meaning. But again. NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO BE IN LOVE OR LOVED BY NARUTO EXCEPT HINATA. Not even his mother.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 28 January 2021 - 04:09 AM.

[Phantom_999]

I would remember that detail if I bothered to watch the movie. But I didn’t and I never will.

[TheFirstEvil100]

I would remember that detail if I bothered to watch the movie. But I didn’t and I never will.

Lol, none of us want to watch that BS film, well unless they are NH fans.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Or make fun of the movie Nostalgia Critic/Mystery Science 3000 style

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

...No No No. That wasn't his mothers scarf...It would have made more sense but that wasn't Kushina's scarf.

 

Kushina's scarf was the one Naruto was wearing throughout the film (Blue and Yellow one) that made Hinata give up the second she saw it and Naruto had to throw it away to please her. Because no one is allowed to love or be loved by Naruto except Hinata.

 

The Red Scarf of Fate when he was three was just some random scarf. Its only importance was that he lost it defending Hinata from some bullies when he was three. Then she kept by her bedside for 15 years.

 

I know people keep forgetting that because it makes more sense to tie Hinata with a scarf Kushina made to add some connection and meaning. But again. NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO BE IN LOVE OR LOVED BY NARUTO EXCEPT HINATA. Not even his mother.

 

Which is something else that pisses me off about the "canon", that Naruto can't be loved by anyone else or he can't love anyone else except for Hinata, in spite of the fact that Naruto never knew his mother fully, and that connected him to her, and it also feels the same way with how she's so ready to defend his lazy ass when it comes to his terrible parenting with Boruto and Himawari, even if I still say he does that and ignores Hinata because he blames them for his life being in the crapper like his missing his own inauguration and such.

[VanitasDS76491]

Question is anyone fanfic account having issues with getting a 503 message in the place where you message people

[Bail o' Lies]

I would remember that detail if I bothered to watch the movie. But I didn’t and I never will.

I don't expect anyone here to watch it, but if you all are going to keep complaining about it, questioning it and bringing it up constantly. At least remember a summary so you can properly complain about it.

 

Which is something else that pisses me off about the "canon", that Naruto can't be loved by anyone else or he can't love anyone else except for Hinata, in spite of the fact that Naruto never knew his mother fully, and that connected him to her, and it also feels the same way with how she's so ready to defend his lazy ass when it comes to his terrible parenting with Boruto and Himawari, even if I still say he does that and ignores Hinata because he blames them for his life being in the crapper like his missing his own inauguration and such.

It so breaking of the character that it destroys Naruto. Which is one of the reason Kishi tries to ignore it and to only treat the general story as canon.

 

They had to make him abandon her entirely because Kushina was the first NarutoXSakura shipper. Her dying wish for Naruto was to avoid the getting with a weird girl (Hinata) and to find a girl like her (Sakura with Minato backing this up upon meeting her.) She is the enemy of Studio Pierrot's desires which is why they rarely did anything with her and as far as I recall she is not mention that often in Boruto -if at all- compared to her husband; because she is THE awkward hold over from when NS was the intended pairing.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 31 January 2021 - 08:23 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

[Phantom_999]

I don't expect anyone here to watch it, but if you all are going to keep complaining about it, questioning it and bringing it up constantly. At least remember a summary so you can properly complain about it.

 

Not sure if that is directed at me specifically,  but I posted that because I for one, only recall details in manga or anime clearly if I've personally read or watched it. Naruto's story comes back fine to me because I read the entire series, multiple times. I've never watched The Last or Boruto in person, so if you think I'm doing that on purpose, Let me clarify, because summaries I'm quick to forget. That's how just I am personally.

Edited by Phantom_999, 31 January 2021 - 04:34 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Not sure if that is directed at me specifically, but I posted that because I for one, only recall details in manga or anime clearly if I've personally read or watched it. Naruto's story comes back fine to me because I read the entire series, multiple times. I've never watched The Last or Boruto in person, so if you think I'm doing that on purpose, Let me clarify, because summaries I'm quick to forget. That's how just I am personally.

No. More in general, but also Kentucky because he couldn't remember the scarf stupidity that makes that movie even worse. Though I don't blame him.

 

Look if people are going to keep complaining about it and bringing it up again anywhere from one a month to every six months. Then it polite to try to remember the general idea or at least what one is complaining about to make sure what they are complaining about is accurate. So the answer can quickly be given. Since it not like the last has changed in the time since the question was last asked. Also because people aren't looking up new things to complain about, and due to some problems with the site apparently some people have problems joining the site recently so no new perspective to answering the question.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 31 January 2021 - 06:38 PM.

[Moon_Girl]

The editors lying to Kishimoto (or maybe they misunderstood, which is likely) is probably the biggest reason things turned out this way. If he stayed with the original course, then it probably wouldn't have happened.
Actually, if they just ignored the Western fandom completely, then this wouldn't have happened. A lot of people really don't realize just how immensely different Japanese culture is compared to Western cultures. And it gets even worse when you bring it to the internet because the immature people are loud, shameless about their hypocrisy and bias and double standards. And I'm not sure if the editors fully understood this. 
It's hard to say. Maybe they did. I know Studio Pierrot had a huge hard on for Hinata regardless. 

Regardless, I now have a strong hatred for the silent moe blobs with crushes and zero personality types. There's more than I'm comfortable with in the world of anime. And they are all usually adored because 'cute' and/or 'aww look they're trying so hard <3(and failing)'. Hate it hate it hate it.

Though part of it does have to do with the fact that Japan still has traditional gender role views. I can't help but wonder if they didn't give Sakura many more action scenes because Kishimoto didn't want people to find her too "manly". It's considered an unattractive trait in women in Japan. Considering Sakura vs Sasori was so well received, however, and Japan loved Sakura, that view may only fall on the staff if they're older. The newer generation is more progressive. 

Ooooor it could be the staff (minus Kishimoto) were otaku and their Hinata bias was a result of that. That's a possibility as well. There are those types. Maybe a mix of both because Hinata def is an old fashioned Japanese view's wet dream. Pretty (depending on who you ask), Quiet, Submissive, Weak (except for her feelings for her crush apparently), Shy, Bends over backwards for love interest, ect.
As a woman, I really hate how the word 'sexist' is thrown around all the time...so I don't use this lightly. Hinata is a sexist's wet dream. Especially if they don't want her to improve and actually grow a personality or think she's 'perfect' the way she is. People like that are just as revolting to me as Hinata is. 
Oh, same goes to studio pierrot when they tried to give her mary-sue powers. That's a typical trope for the "no personality girl with a crush" character. Why give them character growth or give them a personality when you can throw them into situations or give them stupid powers out of nowhere? Writing is hard guyyyysss...
Though that's also a telltale sign that said girl wasn't planned on having any sort of important role in the first place. I've seen it twice now.

Edited by Moon_Girl, 01 February 2021 - 01:35 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

The editors lying to Kishimoto (or maybe they misunderstood, which is likely) is probably the biggest reason things turned out this way. If he stayed with the original course, then it probably wouldn't have happened.
Actually, if they just ignored the Western fandom completely, then this wouldn't have happened. A lot of people really don't realize just how immensely different Japanese culture is compared to Western cultures. And it gets even worse when you bring it to the internet because the immature people are loud, shameless about their hypocrisy and bias and double standards. And I'm not sure if the editors fully understood this. 
It's hard to say. Maybe they did. I know Studio Pierrot had a huge hard on for Hinata regardless. 
Regardless, I now have a strong hatred for the silent moe blobs with crushes and zero personality types. There's more than I'm comfortable with in the world of anime. And they are all usually adored because 'cute' and/or 'aww look they're trying so hard <3(and failing)'. Hate it hate it hate it.
Though part of it does have to do with the fact that Japan still has traditional gender role views. I can't help but wonder if they didn't give Sakura many more action scenes because Kishimoto didn't want people to find her too "manly". It's considered an unattractive trait in women in Japan. Considering Sakura vs Sasori was so well received, however, and Japan loved Sakura, that view may only fall on the staff if they're older. The newer generation is more progressive. 
Ooooor it could be the staff (minus Kishimoto) were otaku and their Hinata bias was a result of that. That's a possibility as well. There are those types. Maybe a mix of both because Hinata def is an old fashioned Japanese view's wet dream. Pretty (depending on who you ask), Quiet, Submissive, Weak (except for her feelings for her crush apparently), Shy, Bends over backwards for love interest, ect.
As a woman, I really hate how the word 'sexist' is thrown around all the time...so I don't use this lightly. Hinata is a sexist's wet dream. Especially if they don't want her to improve and actually grow a personality or think she's 'perfect' the way she is. People like that are just as revolting to me as Hinata is. 
Oh, same goes to studio pierrot when they tried to give her mary-sue powers. That's a typical trope for the "no personality girl with a crush" character. Why give them character growth or give them a personality when you can throw them into situations or give them stupid powers out of nowhere? Writing is hard guyyyysss...
Though that's also a telltale sign that said girl wasn't planned on having any sort of important role in the first place. I've seen it twice now.

Well said, Moon Girl! Also, I would hate to see the first time you saw something like you described for Hinata. In my case, seeing how things went here with one pairing being really thorough and planned out only to be tossed to the side for something else irked me years ago, and I hated seeing it done here in Naruto as well!

[James S Cassidy]

can't imagine writing for something you never wanted in the first place. Would make sense that he doesn't know what's going on, or how SS got "married." If asked about how NS got married, I imagine he would have a whole segment dedicated to it, because his heart would actually be in it. I know he has the script for NS getting married in the epilogue just sitting in his drawer.

Chances are, if he were to talk about NS, he would refer more to his wife about it since he has made claims that all that kind of stuff was his wife's idea. You know Kushina and Minato and that story? His wife's idea, not his own. She pushed him to give Naruto a family after his started with her and his kids.

I am just sad he didn't listen to his wife more often.

I will never understand why he ONLY listened to the people that just wanted to jerk to Hinata and not say actual people who wanted to put good elements in the story.
 

 

 

I never got the try to make Sakura more pretty to make her more liked by Kishimoto. Did he really not know why Sakura was disliked by certain fans and was misinformed why some disliked her by the editors and SP staff or does he really have that shallow view of women and what makes them popular? Because if he did know the reasons some fans disliked her was because:

1. Her feelings for Sasuke as shallow and don't get why she would still love him after everything that he has personally done to her.
2. She didn't much fighting or display of her abilities after her fight against Sasori and only got small action scenes afterwards, like when she took out pain's centipede summon.
3. After the New team 7 arc her role became rather small in the following arcs and didn't get a major part again until the kage summit arc
4. They are diehard NH shippers and view her as a threat to their ship, so they bash and hate her.

He could of solved these issues by:

1. Get her to move on from her feelings for Sasuke and clearly show it, by ether show her questioning why she would still be in with him ay this point given what he has done or show more clearly that she is falling in love with Naruto.
2. Give her more solo one on fights or even proper teams ups, like having her fight Sasuke in the Kage summit arc, take part in the battle against the seven swordsmen like in storm 3 rather than just heal wounded soldiers and play a more active role in Team 7's fights against Obito, Madara & Kaguya. Heck kishimoto wanted to make her more popular he should of looked at 3rd databook were it showed her fight against sasori was ranked 3rd best, only sasuke vs deidara and sasuke vs itachi was scored higher. This shows that enough would enjoy she her in action more.
3. Have her involved more in arcs like the first half in the war and possibly show her developing her abilities and learning a bit more about stuff in the plot such as the history of the senju, Uzumaki & Uchiha clans, the white zetsus, learn why sasuke joined the akatsuki and get more involed with the jinjurki plotline and how she can help naruto as examples.
4. If they hate her because she is a threat to their ship, there is no really helping them. He is just going to have to ignore them and focus on developing why Narusaku will happen and why NH & SS won't work and try to avoid any strong teases that these ships will happen at all.
    

I do wonder if one day Kishimoto will ever come clean of what happened with the ending of Naruto, though that may only happen if Boruto ever finishes and that it becomes clear to shonen jump that it's just not profitable to keep the NH/Boruto canon going

We don't know and that's the problem. And not a single interviewer will ask these hard hitting questions. Hell, I have heard stories that when fans TRIED to ask questions like this...they were immediately thrown out (the questions, not the fans) or they put a stop to it. I don't know if that is true, but it seems like it is.

As for Kishimoto coming clean, I doubt it. I don't think Boruto is that profitable, but apparently it is making just enough money to keep it going.
 

 

...No No No. That wasn't his mothers scarf...It would have made more sense but that wasn't Kushina's scarf.

 

Kushina's scarf was the one Naruto was wearing throughout the film (Blue and Yellow one) that made Hinata give up the second she saw it and Naruto had to throw it away to please her. Because no one is allowed to love or be loved by Naruto except Hinata.

 

The Red Scarf of Fate when he was three was just some random scarf. Its only importance was that he lost it defending Hinata from some bullies when he was three. Then she kept by her bedside for 15 years.

 

I know people keep forgetting that because it makes more sense to tie Hinata with a scarf Kushina made to add some connection and meaning. But again. NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO BE IN LOVE OR LOVED BY NARUTO EXCEPT HINATA. Not even his mother.

I think RetrospectGreg said it best. ( I am going to paraphrase here)

"Kushina's love for Naruto was seen as an obstacle for Hinata to overcome considering she got jealous of the scarf Kushina made for Naruto."

Although, my BIGGER question is...where did this blue and yellow scarf actually come from and how come it wasn't decimated when Pein flattened the village?

Edited by James S Cassidy, 01 February 2021 - 07:52 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

We don't know and that's the problem. And not a single interviewer will ask these hard hitting questions. Hell, I have heard stories that when fans TRIED to ask questions like this...they were immediately thrown out (the questions, not the fans) or they put a stop to it. I don't know if that is true, but it seems like it is.

As for Kishimoto coming clean, I doubt it. I don't think Boruto is that profitable, but apparently it is making just enough money to keep it going.

That's because the ending clearly a corporate decision. If it was Kishimoto alone he could admit to the kitten up and try to fix it. But like I pointed out early on years ago the stuff that came out after the ending was too well pre-planned not to have the companies involvement in it.

 

Which means if he tried to tell the truth some blame is going to land on the execs even if they just gave a nod of approval. With how badly Naruto's star fell because of that decision. Egg will be on the execs' faces and it would effect various companies involve bottom line. So instead he better keep his mouth shut and just try to make Boruto good.

 

I think RetrospectGreg said it best. ( I am going to paraphrase here)

"Kushina's love for Naruto was seen as an obstacle for Hinata to overcome considering she got jealous of the scarf Kushina made for Naruto."

Although, my BIGGER question is...where did this blue and yellow scarf actually come from and how come it wasn't decimated when Pein flattened the village?

The Third Hokage apparently was keeping it in his attic. After the War the truth of Naruto's parentage came out, and Konohamaru gave him all the stuff his grandfather had that belong to the Fourth.

[BlueStarSaber]

Founded this on quora https://qr.ae/pNzipO

[Illnevergiveup3]

Founded this on quora https://qr.ae/pNzipO

one of the answers on there is so ridiculous. I seen one that says NH and SS was foreshadowed. 😂😂😂 A dude who ignored Hinata for the whole Manga and is in love with another woman while Hinata barely shows u WHILE having dreams of confessing to Sakura-Chan somehow foreshadows NH.

The woman who clearly chose Naruto over Sasuke while actively falling in love with Naruto, putting her complete trust in him, and even taking on an obvious wife role to Naruto throughout the Manga especially in the War Arc, somehow foreshadows SS. Got to love the denial.

[BlueStarSaber]

Found this video of rogerbase watching the naruto anime for the first time, be interesting to see how he reacts to stuff as I like many here believe that the anime portrayal of characters effected the western fandoms views namely Sakura & Hinata which eventually lead to Naruto's downfall. Granted he knows who ends up with who and that obito is Tobi.

 

https://youtu.be/xPcmh5jqsNI

[Derock]

A bit relevant:

 

I 'm currently watching the dub version of the Rock Lee anime, and I noticed that Naruto has a different voice actress.

[Nostradamus]

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