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[Atheck]

Kishimoto: sorry, I forgot. Hahaha.

 

I don't mind that. It was an idiotic choice to give some undeserving side-character powers comparable to that of Rikudou in the first place. That old forgotten theory about Hamura granting his powers to Sakura and Kakashi sounds more appealing by comparison, actually. 

[Sakurafan1]

@sakurafan
Robotech is not macross

The bad thing about technology for manga and anime industry is piracy.
The good thing is we got it for free

 

Its just that people seem to solely placing blame on the otaku and their culture when there is enough blame to go around. Indeed a side effect of technology is the piracy, but that is another topic altogether.

Edited by Sakurafan1, 11 August 2015 - 11:47 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It feels like if outside of Japan audience didn't come in, they would have a lot of different direction and I'm not talking about pairings. I am aware he said things about people in Japan hating Sakura, but there are many times he asked if outside likes her, what he hears, etc. In other words, editors might think not just Japan but USA and others audience, depend on how big is the franchise.

[Nar123]

It feels like if outside of Japan audience didn't come in, they would have a lot of different direction and I'm not talking about pairings. I am aware he said things about people in Japan hating Sakura, but there are many times he asked if outside likes her, what he hears, etc. In other words, editors might think not just Japan but USA and others audience, depend on how big is the franchise.

 

Its Kishi fault in first place for letting himself be influenced and not working on his characters to  actually develop them, for example Sakura got so much hate in first place because KIshi didn't know what to do with her, so he frequently zig-zagged her character motivations and it ended being  an unstable mess

[RedFaction]

 

Its Kishi fault in first place for letting himself be influenced and not working on his characters to  actually develop them, for example Sakura got so much hate in first place because KIshi didn't know what to do with her, so he frequently zig-zagged her character motivations and it ended being  an unstable mess

Yeah, but the hate for her character is fully justified now because I would say she's one of the worst developed characters in all of anime/manga. There's villains in one piece that have more development from one chapter of backstory than Sakura. Heck we never even got a backstory for Sakura, and she was supposed to be the heroine of a 700 chapter manga series. It's a travesty what Kishi did to her, and if he thinks what he did with her makes her a great woman and a role model he's dead wrong.

[Narufan85]

Yeah, but the hate for her character is fully justified now because I would say she's one of the worst developed characters in all of anime/manga. There's villains in one piece that have more development from one chapter of backstory than Sakura. Heck we never even got a backstory for Sakura, and she was supposed to be the heroine of a 700 chapter manga series. It's a travesty what Kishi did to her, and if he thinks what he did with her makes her a great woman and a role model he's dead wrong.

It's frustrating because Kishi would give us these great moments of growth for Sakura only to have her run into Sasuke and revert to some weak 11-year old doing all sorts of things to justify the opinion of anti-Sakura people no consistency or sustained growth for her character.

[Nar123]

Yeah, but the hate for her character is fully justified now because I would say she's one of the worst developed characters in all of anime/manga. There's villains in one piece that have more development from one chapter of backstory than Sakura. Heck we never even got a backstory for Sakura, and she was supposed to be the heroine of a 700 chapter manga series. It's a travesty what Kishi did to her, and if he thinks what he did with her makes her a great woman and a role model he's dead wrong.

 

Of course it's justified, however back then it wasn't and the hate came and only got that strong because Kishi continued to mistreat Sakura's character development. So basically if someone should be blamed for the hate she got is Kishi himself 

 

Today, the only people who actually still like Sakura's current character are SS shipers and some NH shippers because they didn't care for her development at all. The haters were proven right, and the people who actually liked Sakura and her potential were basically  given the middle finger by the author

Edited by Nar123, 11 August 2015 - 12:12 PM.

[Nar123]

It's frustrating because Kishi would give us these great moments of growth for Sakura only to have her run into Sasuke and revert to some weak 11-year old doing all sorts of things to justify the opinion of anti-Sakura people no consistency or sustained growth for her character.

 

I think that by far the worst moment ( the one that began her character downfall) was during the Kage Summit arc where she accomplished nothing and said a line that completely went against one of her biggest character growth moments in part 1: "I am useless, I will have to believe in the two of them..." 

 

If Kishimoto wanted to take Sakura out of the Naruto & Sasuke fight in the end he could've done it in a different manner instead of assassinating one of her  best moments and turning it into meaningless development

Edited by Nar123, 11 August 2015 - 12:15 PM.

[Narufan85]

I think that by far the worst moment ( the one that began her character downfall) was during the Kage Summit arc where she accomplished nothing and said a line that completely went against one of her biggest character growth moments in part 1: "I am useless, I will have to believe in the two of them..." 
 
If Kishimoto wanted to take Sakura out of the Naruto & Sasuke fight in the end he could've done it in a different manner instead of assassinating one of her  best moments and turning it into meaningless development

Agree 100%

[RedFaction]

The fact of the matter is that all women in Naruto fall into two categories now. They either end up old and alone for the rest of their lives, or become a housewife/babymaker in a supposedly happy marriage.

 

Any accomplishments they might of had before hand are irrelevant because in the end their destiny was always to be a housewife or nothing at all. It doesn't matter if you were a Hokage like Tsunade because you'll just be branded a old, gambling drunk and forced to resign from your position by people who used to support you.

 

I don't see this trend changing for any of the new generation either and Kishi hasn't given us much of a reason to think any differently. You could say Sarada might be the only exception (because she's the daughter of Sasuke) but even if she becomes Hokage she will probably still be branded a failure of a woman if she doesn't marry and have children like Kishi says women are supposed to.

 

It's madness and disgusting and I don't know how anyone could defend or support this kind of writing.

Edited by RedFaction, 11 August 2015 - 12:31 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
I think that by far the worst moment ( the one that began her character downfall) was during the Kage Summit arc where she accomplished nothing and said a line that completely went against one of her biggest character growth moments in part 1: "I am useless, I will have to believe in the two of them..." 
 
If Kishimoto wanted to take Sakura out of the Naruto & Sasuke fight in the end he could've done it in a different manner instead of assassinating one of her  best moments and turning it into meaningless development

That was character's suicide if I ever see one. I gave more chances than I needed. If anything, that arc was when anti-Sakura came back full force, recruiting 10 additional nations thanks to Kishi's wild spread. That moment was so terrible because it literally went against her original development in all ways. Who does that? No one. I can see an already bad deed being the character but a good cause being "not right?" What's wrong with you.

Damn, that moment is getting to me again. I haven't felt so upset in a while, probably because I'm enjoying from what I got today, but going back to those moments is frustrating.

[HuskyLover]

So, Apparently Japan loves the boruto movie???

 

Are they deliberately giving it great ratings because the Last was so bad in comparison or something ?

 

A rating of 4.74/5 on Yahoo Movies?? really ??

 

Is the extra Sasuke relevance the cause ? (I'm well aware of how popular Sasuke and SasuSaku is in JP )

 

Also, apparently, there's a tag team fight with Nardo and Sauce that they say was really epic

 

Seems that they were successful in baiting back some of the NaruSasu/SNS fans.

 

Why can't this franchise die already

[Swagkura]

Lmao, I still love Sakura. I could care less about what haters/Kishimoto think of her. Canon doesn't mean sh**t now anyways, so why should I acknowledge it

[Shashank95]

 

Have some NS feels my fellow shippers

[Bail o' Lies]

It feels like if outside of Japan audience didn't come in, they would have a lot of different direction and I'm not talking about pairings. I am aware he said things about people in Japan hating Sakura, but there are many times he asked if outside likes her, what he hears, etc. In other words, editors might think not just Japan but USA and others audience, depend on how big is the franchise.

 

  He mentioned in a interview that his editors showed him a US reviewer who bashed Sakura and had a poster of the manga that he and that creator did a image of him making something while that guy made the tsunade jiraiya Sakura and Naruto out for lunch image. What i got from that and other information we have gotten is that people used the US fanbase heavily to convince kishi this is what his international fanbase wanted. Remember his big boast is that he is a larger international success that oda, and when you look from the outside or just rely on youtube videos all of the USA (which in theory is the one kish should always be trying to appease to keep his big international fanbase) Naruto fanbase seems like devoted nH fans.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 11 August 2015 - 03:12 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
  He mentioned in a interview that his editors showed him a US reviewer who bashed Sakura and had a poster of the manga that he and that creator did a image of him making something while that guy made the tsunade jiraiya Sakura and Naruto out for lunch image. What i got from that and other information we have gotten is that people used the US fanbase heavily to convince kishi this is what his international fanbase wanted. Remember his big boast is that he is a larger international success that oda. and when you look from the outside or just rely on youtube videos all of the USA (which in theroy is the one kish should alway be trying to appease to keep his big international fanbase) Naruto fanbase seems like devoted nH fans.

Yeah, especially when you see the relationship, it's the usual trope that you see dozens and dozens of times. But since USA casuals don't know it well, they hate it. I mean NH is not unusual but the story and genre doesn't match to it. Even DB matches to Shounen genre with a scary woman that can beat up the strongest person like no one can do.

[milan kyuubi]

Read a fanfic. It's nice to see a female akatsuki member! To bad Kishi doesn't have talent.

 

Imagine a female villian similar to Itachi in power! xd

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm still not over with women tolerance. I mean imagine if he didn't read some book to create Sarada in Gaiden. It would have been a disaster. I think that's why she's a different character in the movie since he can play off the usual scary woman character.

[Bail o' Lies]

So, Apparently Japan loves the boruto movie???

 

Are they deliberately giving it great ratings because the Last was so bad in comparison or something ?

 

A rating of 4.74/5 on Yahoo Movies?? really ??

 

Is the extra Sasuke relevance the cause ? (I'm well aware of how popular Sasuke and SasuSaku is in JP )

 

Also, apparently, there's a tag team fight with Nardo and Sauce that they say was really epic

 

Seems that they were successful in baiting back some of the NaruSasu/SNS fans.

 

Why can't this franchise die already

So basically it is relied heavily on the Japanese SNS fanbase to get the big numbers that it did. Huh, the impression i got from that granny weatherwax hat was that none of the SNS fans were buying into the baiting and none of them were going to go see it. Nice to see that color my prediction and assume similar thoughts colored others expectations since none of us were expecting SNS only nH and SS with a few other people going so they can their friends if its' good or not.

[Bail o' Lies]

I'm still not over with women tolerance. I mean imagine if he didn't read some book to create Sarada in Gaiden. It would have been a disaster. I think that's why she's a different character in the movie since he can play off the usual scary woman character.

I really didn't care for her personality and it didn't stick out or impress me other than when she was tearing apart SS or when she was interacting with Naruto. Without that she was fine. I don't think anyone would find anything offensive about her personality but she kind of bland. Chou chou on the other hand. wow.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 11 August 2015 - 03:17 PM.