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[Sai]

I don't know Sasuke-kun very well, but even I can see that he has no intention of returning. Even if he did want to return, there are certain punishments for rougue shinobi who abandoned their villages. There is also what he has done to Naruto-kun and Sakura-san. There is also the fact that he is a murderer and a dangerous criminal. Even if Sasuke-kun wished to return, the elders would not look kindly upon his actions. Not even Sakura-san is being very forgiving.

On another note, I was wondering if Naruto-kun might resent Sakura-san for what she might do. I don't think so, since he loves her so much, but he also loves Sasuke-kun... These emotions are still very confusing.

[Devil Keyz]

On a personal note, you should of just pwned sasuke lol.

Edited by Devil Keyz, 01 January 2010 - 07:43 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I don't know Sasuke-kun very well, but even I can see that he has no intention of returning. Even if he did want to return, there are certain punishments for rougue shinobi who abandoned their villages. There is also what he has done to Naruto-kun and Sakura-san. There is also the fact that he is a murderer and a dangerous criminal. Even if Sasuke-kun wished to return, the elders would not look kindly upon his actions. Not even Sakura-san is being very forgiving.

On another note, I was wondering if Naruto-kun might resent Sakura-san for what she might do. I don't think so, since he loves her so much, but he also loves Sasuke-kun... These emotions are still very confusing.

Don't worry, Sai. Emotions are confusing for EVERYONE, and even the most cold-natured person still feels. It's just human nature.

As for what you said, it makes sense. I get why Sasuke did what he did, due to his feelings of not being strong enough in his eyes, but at the same time, he had a good chance to have a better life with his friends. Though I've talked with my friend, Gil, and he's said too that in most cases, what happened to Sasuke in terms of his obsession with power and his heart filled with so much hate is because of how it sounded when Itachi told him to live hating him, when Gil told me he feels Sasuke was to use his hate to push himself to work harder so he could become stronger.

Though in the end, I guess Sasuke didn't care since it was too depressing what happened.

In the long run, Sasuke doesn't want to come back, and it's evident too with the way he tried to kill you guys when you ran into him at Orochimaru's lair. Not to mention his mercilessly attacking Naruto's Shadow Clone with the Chidori. It shows he doesn't care anymore and anyone who gets in his way will die. Though he's come off worse. I just hope Naruto'll have the heart to realize that Sasuke won't ever be forgiven for his actions, especially since he's now affiliated with the Akatsuki thanks to Madara's actions. It's painful for him since Sasuke was one of his first friends... and because he can't try his hardest to change him back to how he was, yet Naruto is a trooper. He'll push through, I hope, and realize he may have to kill Sasuke in order to save him and work on his goal to becoming Hokage and to end the vicious cycle of hatred.

Bryon

[firegirl]

Don't worry, Sai. Emotions are confusing for EVERYONE, and even the most cold-natured person still feels. It's just human nature.

As for what you said, it makes sense. I get why Sasuke did what he did, due to his feelings of not being strong enough in his eyes, but at the same time, he had a good chance to have a better life with his friends. Though I've talked with my friend, Gil, and he's said too that in most cases, what happened to Sasuke in terms of his obsession with power and his heart filled with so much hate is because of how it sounded when Itachi told him to live hating him, when Gil told me he feels Sasuke was to use his hate to push himself to work harder so he could become stronger.

Though in the end, I guess Sasuke didn't care since it was too depressing what happened.

In the long run, Sasuke doesn't want to come back, and it's evident too with the way he tried to kill you guys when you ran into him at Orochimaru's lair. Not to mention his mercilessly attacking Naruto's Shadow Clone with the Chidori. It shows he doesn't care anymore and anyone who gets in his way will die. Though he's come off worse. I just hope Naruto'll have the heart to realize that Sasuke won't ever be forgiven for his actions, especially since he's now affiliated with the Akatsuki thanks to Madara's actions. It's painful for him since Sasuke was one of his first friends... and because he can't try his hardest to change him back to how he was, yet Naruto is a trooper. He'll push through, I hope, and realize he may have to kill Sasuke in order to save him and work on his goal to becoming Hokage and to end the vicious cycle of hatred.

Bryon

i have a question do u think that sakuras feelings of love in an romantic light mature in part 2 for sasuke or was slowly fading and are now linguring feelings? because im having an tough debate and this person keeps saying sakura feelings for sasuke are still strong and in love. i just dont see her having still that strong of feeling with him also she keeps on putting she is saving him from the darkness its at the viz forums if your wondering. she is anoying the heck out me and twists my words in the debate. shes a sasusaku

please could anyone give me an anwser because i really feel her feelings didnt get stronger by being separated by sasuke for so long but this person keeps saying it other wise, sould really help(since im so frustrated)

Edited by firegirl, 02 January 2010 - 08:56 PM.

[Strangelove]

i have a question do u think that sakuras feelings of love in an romantic light mature in part 2 for sasuke or was slowly fading and are now linguring feelings?

More like platonic.

Part 1: very beginning. Sakura considered Sasuke a shining light among all other shining lights...and considered Naruto an idiot. Naruto considered Sakura to be very cute, and Sasuke annoying. Sasuke considered Sakura and Naruto annoying, as well as everyone else in Konoha.
Middle of Part 1: After the Exams. Sakura considered Sasuke the love of her life, and Naruto as a friend. Naruto considered Sakura as the love of his life, and Sasuke as a friend. Sasuke considered Sakura as annoying, and Naruto as an annoying friend.
End of Part 1: Sakura considered Sasuke the love of her life, and Naruto as her good friend. Naruto considers Sakura as the love of his life, and Sasuke as his brother. Sasuke considers Sakura as a friend, and Naruto as his best friend that he just lost.

Part 2: The very beginning. Sakura considers Sasuke as a lost love, and Naruto as a close friend. Naruto considers Sasuke as his brother, and Sakura as the love that he cannot have.
Sometime in between [After the 4 tails]: Sakura is very very confused about her feelings for Naruto, Naruto considers Sakura still the love he cannot have.
Present day: They are both, very very confused now. I would recommend for Naruto to read one of Jiraiya's perverted books...even if they haven't really help Kakashi on his love life...[I think]

Edited by Strangelove, 02 January 2010 - 11:15 PM.

[ciardha]

End of Part 1: Sakura considered Sasuke the love of her life, and Naruto as her good friend.

No, she knew when she confessed to Sasuke he'd never love her. That confession broke her major illusion about Sasuke and her heart is breaking when she makes the request that Naruto turns into the POAL. It's at this moment that Sakura truly begins to fall in love with Naruto- note her thoughts immediately after Naruto makes the POAL, it has romantic overtones. Look as well when she tries to make Naruto give up on the POAL, then promises to get stronger so they can bring back Sasuke together, then when she goes to Tsunade to ask her to train her, in her thoughts already Naruto and Sasuke are equal.

Part 2: The very beginning. Sakura considers Sasuke as a lost love, and Naruto as a close friend.

No, compare how Sakura reacted on seeing Naruto vs Sasuke for the first time in 2 1/2 years

Naruto- smiles, blushes, looks at him coyly and flirts in an overt way- inviting him to look at her body in sexual way. At this point she's aware of a new strong attraction to him but can't identify what it is yet. Soon we see her emotional bond has deepened a great deal as well with her great empathy and fear for Naruto's safety. She fights Sasori with such ferocity because she's fighting to defend Naruto from the Akatsuki- they will not do to Naruto what they did to Gaara as far as Sakura is concerned.

Sasuke- brief moment of awe (which could easily not be romantic at all, just stunned at how much he's changed and the power she can sense coming off him), no blush, no smile, certainly no flirting and we know Sakura doesn't hold back on flirting even in public, instead she's almost immediately afraid, then anger spurred action when Sasuke threatens Naruto.

Sometime in between [After the 4 tails]: Sakura is very very confused about her feelings for Naruto.

Again no. Sai and especially Yamato clear up what her confused feelings for Naruto is. She knows she's in love with Naruto- look at Sakura's expression when Yamato talks to her, that's not a confused expression, that's a look of realization. Sakura's actions after that hold to that realization. She's letting things develop naturally with herself and Naruto, but she's teasing him more and putting even more trust in him than before. Immediately after the debacle with the encounter with Sasuke, Sakura flirtatiously teases Naruto during the explanation to Sai about nicknames, she teasingly says Naruto's nickname is baka, this is a very typical teasing thing Japanese girls do with their boyfriends. You can even see this depicted as far back as the late 1940's in Ozu's films. (seems to have emerged in Japanese youth culture during the US occupation of Japan) And of course the overt flirtatious way she offered to feed Naruto in 343 (that was so overt, that it even briefly broke through Naruto's wall of denial about how Sakura's feelings had changed for him.) Not only does she offer, which in and of itself is a traditional and subtle way for a Japanese girl to suggest that she wants a more intimate relationship with a boy, but she makes that overt in the manga by her bedroom eyes look and how close she moves in- close enough that had Sai not interrupted, Sakura's breasts would have been brushing against Naruto each time her arm would have lifted the ramen to Naruto's mouth.

Present day: They are both, very very confused now. I would recommend for Naruto to read one of Jiraiya's perverted books...even if they haven't really help Kakashi on his love life...[I think]

Sakura isn't confused about her feelings for Naruto. That's she's certain of- even Kishimoto said in the Jump Festa interview she was being honest and determined when she confessed. The feelings she has for Sasuke is just lingering remnants of her feelings for Sasuke as her illusion of how he was back when they were in Team 7. She knows that person doesn't exist now and will never exist again. Her love is a bit of that remnant of the illusion of him but mostly the team mate bond, which we know from even the Sanin is an intense thing, as strong as a familial bond. Even Orochimaru still felt a sense of that bond to Tsunade, and even Tsunade and Jiraiya felt a sense of mourning for Orochimaru when he was killed. That's why Jiraiya and Tsunade understood Naruto and Sakura's feelings about wanting to try to rescue Sasuke, even though they both knew in their hearts that Naruto and Sakura were just setting themselves up for an even greater heartache.

Naruto was Jiraiya's betareder on Tactics, he's read it, and wasn't impressed by Jiraiya's porno novels. Jiraiya's porno novels didn't help his romantic pursuit of Tsunade either.

Tsunade would be a better person to speak to them both about their feelings, she was in romantic relationship with Dan, and had planned to get in one with Jiraiya when he returned- having finally seen through his assholish/perverted facade with her. Although she'd probably be inclined to give Naruto a clue-by-four for being such an idiot, then send them on a long mission alone to Wave country or somewhere that would be fairly peaceful.

[Miss Soupy]

i have a question do u think that sakuras feelings of love in an romantic light mature in part 2 for sasuke or was slowly fading and are now linguring feelings? because im having an tough debate and this person keeps saying sakura feelings for sasuke are still strong and in love. i just dont see her having still that strong of feeling with him also she keeps on putting she is saving him from the darkness its at the viz forums if your wondering. she is anoying the heck out me and twists my words in the debate. shes a sasusaku

please could anyone give me an anwser because i really feel her feelings didnt get stronger by being separated by sasuke for so long but this person keeps saying it other wise, sould really help(since im so frustrated)

Sakura's feelings definitely didn't get stronger. She had already matured in her love during part I by caring about Sasuke in a less fangirlish way. Sakura actually began seeing Sasuke as more than just the cool, popular guy and saw him and accepted him for his faults, which meant she matured in her love. There isn't really any evidence that she loves Sasuke even more at this point; either she loves him the same amount or her love has lessened. I believe her love has lessened due to the continuous heartbreak she has felt.

I know a popular response to this is that you can't choose who you love. Really, I think Sakura is a practical type of person. If she is hurt continuously, she will begin to lose her feelings towards Sasuke. She will always love Sasuke in some way, but she doesn't always have to be in love with him.

It's interesting to me that Itachi is such a popular character, especially since he sacrificed everything for Sasuke. He loved Sasuke, but traded his love for hatred to make him happy. Sound familiar? This is, essentially, what Sakura is doing for Naruto. She is trading his love for hatred all to keep him safe. And yet Sakura is so disliked D: sad.

[Strangelove]

Sakura isn't confused about her feelings for Naruto. That's she's certain of- even Kishimoto said in the Jump Festa interview she was being honest and determined when she confessed.

I seen that interview...and so far...it points to Sakura being detestable, and that she is truly in love with Sasuke.

[Derock]

I seen that interview...and so far...it points to Sakura being detestable, and that she is truly in love with Sasuke.

Which was mistranslated by a certain NH/SS fan.

[Strangelove]

Which was mistranslated by a certain NH/SS fan.

So...does anyone has the real thing?

[ciardha]

I seen that interview...and so far...it points to Sakura being detestable, and that she is truly in love with Sasuke.

No, that translation was deliberately distorted by a naruhina shipper fan. A sasusaku shipper who doesn't even like narusaku pointed out deliberate distortions, finding the original Japanese text reporting. It was letters Kishimoto recieved from rabid naruhina shippers that called Sakura detestable. Kishimoto was shocked and eventually got rather annoyed by these letters going on and on about Hinata. He says he wrote that scene with Sakura being "a honest and surprisingly determined girl" and that he thought he was writing her heroic. His response is to make sure these rabid naruhina shippers learn Sakura is the heroine of this manga and make Sakura even more prominent and heroic.) And the true translation of the line about her feelings is "Naruto is close (meaning to her heart, meaning she is in love with Naruto) but but she ... (he didn't say anything about her being in love with Sasuke at all, he doesn't say anything at all he trails off) Sasuke" (It could easily be translated to be very pro narusaku in fact, and with far more accuracy when you look at what Kishimoto says about writing Sakura as "honest and determined" in that scene.)

This reflects exactly what we see in the manga- what Sakura says in 469 and fiercely defends to Naruto in 470, and what Sai further emphasizes in 474. Sakura has moved on from Sasuke and now is in love with Naruto. The only thing Sakura is in denial about is her mind has put any romantic feelings for Sasuke in the past, but her heart still has remnants of those feelings, but her true depth of feelings toward Sasuke is the team mate bond, in part 2 that's how she loves him- as her former team mate, she knows that killing him is the only way to save the rabid dog he's become- kill him quickly and with mercy before he goes completely into the darkness and spreads his infection to others.

Look at the Sanin to see how strong the team mate bond is- even when one team mate turns evil. Orochimaru as well, still felt that bond to Tsunade. Look at the sad expressions on Jiraiya's and Tsunade's faces when they deal with the news of Orochimaru being killed. Even though they know he was an evil twisted man who deserved to die, and Tsunade never like or trusted Orochimaru, still they both are mourning their team mate, and that's with many years to deal with putting their bonds to Orochimaru behind them, but still... For Naruto and Sakura this is happening very fast and they had a much stronger bond with Sasuke...

Edited by ciardha, 03 January 2010 - 06:03 AM.

[Strangelove]

No, that translation was deliberately distorted by a naruhina shipper fan. A sasusaku shipper who doesn't even like narusaku pointed out deliberate distortions, finding the original Japanese text reporting. It was letters Kishimoto recieved from rabid naruhina shippers that called Sakura detestable. Kishimoto was shocked and eventually got rather annoyed by these letters going on and on about Hinata. He says he wrote that scene with Sakura being "a honest and surprisingly determined girl" and that he thought he was writing her heroic. His response is to make sure these rabid naruhina shippers learn Sakura is the heroine of this manga and make Sakura even more prominent and heroic.) And the true translation of the line about her feelings is "Naruto is close (meaning to her heart, meaning she is in love with Naruto) but but she ... (he didn't say anything about her being in love with Sasuke at all, he doesn't say anything at all he trails off) Sasuke" (It could easily be translated to be very pro narusaku in fact, and with far more accuracy when you look at what Kishimoto says about writing Sakura as "honest and determined" in that scene.)

This reflects exactly what we see in the manga- what Sakura says in 469 and fiercely defends to Naruto in 470, and what Sai further emphasizes in 474. Sakura has moved on from Sasuke and now is in love with Naruto. The only thing Sakura is in denial about is her mind has put any romantic feelings for Sasuke in the past, but her heart still has remnants of those feelings, but her true depth of feelings toward Sasuke is the team mate bond, in part 2 that's how she loves him- as her former team mate, she knows that killing him is the only way to save the rabid dog he's become- kill him quickly and with mercy before he goes completely into the darkness and spreads his infection to others.

Look at the Sanin to see how strong the team mate bond is- even when one team mate turns evil. Orochimaru as well, still felt that bond to Tsunade. Look at the sad expressions on Jiraiya's and Tsunade's faces when they deal with the news of Orochimaru being killed. Even though they know he was an evil twisted man who deserved to die, and Tsunade never like or trusted Orochimaru, still they both are mourning their team mate, and that's with many years to deal with putting their bonds to Orochimaru behind them, but still... For Naruto and Sakura this is happening very fast and they had a much stronger bond with Sasuke...

Woah :OO how do you find this stuff Ciardha?

[Derock]

Woah :OO how do you find this stuff Ciardha?

Somebody posted it in that thread, somewhere...

[ciardha]

Somebody posted it in that thread, somewhere...

Yep! Except for the stuff about how strong team mate bonds are and using the Sanin as a perfect example of how even when one goes evil the bond still remains, that was my own observations about the intensity of team mate bonds in the manga.

Edited by ciardha, 03 January 2010 - 06:27 AM.

[Miss Soupy]

ehh Ciardha, you are pretty much doing the same thing the SS/NH shippers are doing, which is to twist Kishi's words to fit your pairing.

He was vague about the pairings; he didn't reveal who Sakura loves more. He said Naruto is close, but still she...for Sasuke. Which essentially means, Sakura still has issues with her emotions towards Sasuke, but Naruto is also close to her heart. The last thing I want to see is NS fans going around flaunting a review that revealed very little about the pairings >.>;

I'd rather stick to the manga. Kishi will reveal what he plans to do.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

No, that translation was deliberately distorted by a naruhina shipper fan. A sasusaku shipper who doesn't even like narusaku pointed out deliberate distortions, finding the original Japanese text reporting.

I thought it was a NaruSasu shipper who really dont like the NS pairing.

[Devil Keyz]

No, she knew when she confessed to Sasuke he'd never love her. That confession broke her major illusion about Sasuke and her heart is breaking when she makes the request that Naruto turns into the POAL. It's at this moment that Sakura truly begins to fall in love with Naruto

[Gravenimage]

ehh Ciardha, you are pretty much doing the same thing the SS/NH shippers are doing, which is to twist Kishi's words to fit your pairing.

He was vague about the pairings; he didn't reveal who Sakura loves more. He said Naruto is close, but still she...for Sasuke. Which essentially means, Sakura still has issues with her emotions towards Sasuke, but Naruto is also close to her heart. The last thing I want to see is NS fans going around flaunting a review that revealed very little about the pairings >.>;

I'd rather stick to the manga. Kishi will reveal what he plans to do.

You're right we shouldn't be going this low like the N/H and S/S fans were nothing like them . However Kishi did said Naruto is close that right there is some evidence that leads to pro N/S not to mention that he never said Sakura still loving Sasuke. Which means that Naruto and Sakura still has more development to go before it becomes canon. But I do agree with Chiardha on how Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and Naruto have change. She must be feeling some left over feelings from the Sasuke of team seven and I believe Kishi will make Sakura lose those remnants feelings by making her see the new dark cold Sasuke. Once she sees how evil he has become I believe she will lose any signs of feelings she will have for him except her teammate bond for him and she will embrace the strong feelings she has developed for Naruto.

Edited by Gravenimage, 03 January 2010 - 12:38 PM.

[Jenskott]

You know, I have just seen a SS fanart where Sakura is determined to tell Sasuke the "truth" (hah!) and then she finds him when he is repeatedly stabbing someone and tells him it wasn't true and she loves him and begs him he doesn't believe it not matter what he hears and Naruto didn't believe her either and she knows he isn't a bad person and then leaves as Sasuke is staring with a "What the hell was that?" expression. And then the author tells he/she likes Sakura but oh, please, Sakura, don't hurt Naruto like that.

So... That person claims liking Sakura but he/she would rather thinking she is a liar before admiting she loves Naruto. And he would rather depicting her like a brainless fangirl instead of the honest, determined girl we have seen.

Gee, Sakura told she didn't want hurting Naruto anymore and she didn't want commiting more mistakes. Do you think she would tell Naruto she loves him if she wasn't in love with him? It would be a BIG mistake and it would most definitely hurt Naruto.

And YES, she knows Sasuke is a bad person and she has decided he is beyond salvation, or that salvation isn't worth of the effort or the cost. So she has decided hunting him down in order to KILL him because she thinks that is the only way to save him now and it is her duty like friend and teammate. Whatever it happens, she isn't searching Sasuke to tell him she lied to Naruto and she is in love with him.

Heh. That person's behavior is akin to some Hinata fans hate Sakura but would love Hinata was a tsundere or even a yandere (then again, they usually imagine her like a yandere: stalking Naruto, obsessing over him, stricking down whoever badmouths him, slaying Sakura because Naruto likes her...).

It is pretty offensive because Hinata is a meek, but nice and tranquile person.

No, that translation was deliberately distorted by a naruhina shipper fan. A sasusaku shipper who doesn't even like narusaku pointed out deliberate distortions, finding the original Japanese text reporting.

I don't want coming across like biased -albeit I guess I am-, but that translation sounds likelier than Kishimoto calling one of his characters "detestable".

It was letters Kishimoto recieved from rabid naruhina shippers that called Sakura detestable. Kishimoto was shocked and eventually got rather annoyed by these letters going on and on about Hinata. He says he wrote that scene with Sakura being "a honest and surprisingly determined girl" and that he thought he was writing her heroic. His response is to make sure these rabid naruhina shippers learn Sakura is the heroine of this manga and make Sakura even more prominent and heroic.)

It isn't a wonder he got irritated about it. I would also be.

Hinata is a SECONDARY and UNIMPORTANT character. Sakura is the FEMALE LEAD and the HEROINE. She is most important and way more relevant to the history than one character whose backstory was significant four hundred chapters ago, because it fleshed out a secondary subplot was reasonably closed several years ago and hasn't been brought up again.

I'd rather stick to the manga. Kishi will reveal what he plans to do.

Of course. He won't reveal important details about the plot or the ending during interviews. No writer does that.

[Gravenimage]

You know, I have just seen a SS fanart where Sakura is determined to tell Sasuke the "truth" (hah!) and then she finds him when he is repeatedly stabbing someone and tells him it wasn't true and she loves him and begs him he doesn't believe it not matter what he hears and Naruto didn't believe her either and she knows he isn't a bad person and then leaves as Sasuke is staring with a "What the hell was that?" expression. And then the author tells he/she likes Sakura but oh, please, Sakura, don't hurt Naruto like that.

So... That person claims liking Sakura but he/she would rather thinking she is a liar before admiting she loves Naruto. And he would rather depicting her like a brainless fangirl instead of the honest, determined girl we have seen.

Gee, Sakura told she didn't want hurting Naruto anymore and she didn't want commiting more mistakes. Do you think she would tell Naruto she loves him if she wasn't in love with him? It would be a BIG mistake and it would most definitely hurt Naruto.

And YES, she knows Sasuke is a bad person and she has decided he is beyond salvation, or that salvation isn't worth of the effort or the cost. So she has decided hunting him down in order to KILL him because she thinks that is the only way to save him now and it is her duty like friend and teammate. Whatever it happens, she isn't searching Sasuke to tell him she lied to Naruto and she is in love with him.

Heh. That person's behavior is akin to some Hinata fans hate Sakura but would love Hinata was a tsundere or even a yandere (then again, they usually imagine her like a yandere: stalking Naruto, obsessing over him, stricking down whoever badmouths him, slaying Sakura because Naruto likes her...).

It is pretty offensive because Hinata is a meek, but nice and tranquile person.



I don't want coming across like biased -albeit I guess I am-, but that translation sounds likelier than Kishimoto calling one of his characters "detestable".



It isn't a wonder he got irritated about it. I would also be.

Hinata is a SECONDARY and UNIMPORTANT character. Sakura is the FEMALE LEAD and the HEROINE. She is most important and way more relevant to the history than one character whose backstory was significant four hundred chapters ago, because it fleshed out a secondary subplot was reasonably closed several years ago and hasn't been brought up again.



Of course. He won't reveal important details about the plot or the ending during interviews. No writer does that.

That S/S fan who drew that fan art proves the point of every single S/S as well as N/H fans point of view of Sakura. Like Naruto sees her they ALL SEE HER as the 12 year old Sakura fan girl whose head over heels for Sasuke when that is clearly wrong and Kishi has shown dozens of times how much she has grown up and mature. They will always see her as the Sasuke fan girl and NOT as the 16 yeard old mature Sakura who has developed strong unique feelings for Naruto. They rather die a horrible death than admit that she has grown and stop loving Sasuke for loving Naruto truthfully.