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#2901 Miss Soupy

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:08 PM

It is very complicated Sai-kun hm.png especially since Sakura also has old feelings for Sasuke. Perhaps she isn't sure yet who she loves the most but wants to help them both?

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:14 PM

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Dec 30 2009, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is very complicated Sai-kun hm.png especially since Sakura also has old feelings for Sasuke. Perhaps she isn't sure yet who she loves the most but wants to help them both?


^ but she is willing to kill sasuke for naruto my bet is on naruto sasuke wants to kill her sleep.gif

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 09:21 PM

Not entirely. Sakura wants to kill Sasuke because she loves him too. By killing him she would be saving him from himself. Sakura chose to do this without Naruto in order to protect Naruto, thus showing a high level of love for him as well.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 10:08 PM

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Dec 30 2009, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not entirely. Sakura wants to kill Sasuke because she loves him too. By killing him she would be saving him from himself. Sakura chose to do this without Naruto in order to protect Naruto, thus showing a high level of love for him as well.


Exactly, and people just assume that she's doing this for Sasuke alone, when it's both for him and Naruto. And you gotta wonder if Naruto even SEES that, or if he's just too bothered by the fact things have changed when he'd chosen to NOT change his ways because of the path set with Legend of a Gutsy Ninja. After all, he seemed to dislike the idea of Sakura being in love with him possibly, since he perceived her to be in love with Sasuke still.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 10:28 PM

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Dec 30 2009, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not entirely. Sakura wants to kill Sasuke because she loves him too. By killing him she would be saving him from himself. Sakura chose to do this without Naruto in order to protect Naruto, thus showing a high level of love for him as well.


she was willing to be with naruto so she chose naruto see what im saying happy.gif



we all know sasuke dosent like her she still thinks of chapter 3 i think she will find out sometime than i cant wait.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 10:53 PM

^ Ok, I see what you mean.

QUOTE (Bryon_Konoha_Ninja @ Dec 30 2009, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Exactly, and people just assume that she's doing this for Sasuke alone, when it's both for him and Naruto. And you gotta wonder if Naruto even SEES that, or if he's just too bothered by the fact things have changed when he'd chosen to NOT change his ways because of the path set with Legend of a Gutsy Ninja. After all, he seemed to dislike the idea of Sakura being in love with him possibly, since he perceived her to be in love with Sasuke still.

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That's true, I don't think Naruto even realizes. He views Sakura through SS glasses dry.gif Part of Naruto's problem is he still views himself as less than Sasuke, I think. He wants to be on Sasuke's level, but the only thing holding him back from going beyond Sasuke is himself.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 11:00 PM

QUOTE (SS3 Goku @ Dec 30 2009, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
she was willing to be with naruto so she chose naruto see what im saying happy.gif



we all know sasuke dosent like her she still thinks of chapter 3 i think she will find out sometime than i cant wait.


I agree with you if Sakura does still have some feelings left for Sasuke it has to be because of the bench scene from ch 3. I'm sure Sakura hasn't forgotten something so important like that we all know that she hates to be made fun of her forehead to see the boy she likes telling her exactly what she was thinking complimenting her forehead to her it must be the most wonderful experience ever. Of course if she finds out that it was Naruto who transformed into Sasuke then I believe everything will change and Sakura will erase any possible trace left of her feelings for Sasuke. cool.gif

There is a reason why Kishi made that scene it only developed Naruto's feelings for Sakura to grow stronger when he said" I think I finallyl understand why I like her". The chapter also shows how much Naruto knows Sakura very well knowing that she was tease because of her forehead and he knew complimenting her forehead will make her feel flatter. Also Sakura does think the exact word Naruto were going to say at the chunin exams when he was fighting Kiba "go ahead Naruto tell everyone with your words." wink.gif

That has to be the only logical reason for her to still be loving Sasuke because let's face it if there's something that Sasuke has done for Sakura during part 1??? huh.gif compare to all the things Naruto has done for her Sasuke is not even close.
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Posted 30 December 2009 - 11:03 PM

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Dec 30 2009, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ Ok, I see what you mean.



That's true, I don't think Naruto even realizes. He views Sakura through SS glasses dry.gif Part of Naruto's problem is he still views himself as less than Sasuke, I think. He wants to be on Sasuke's level, but the only thing holding him back from going beyond Sasuke is himself.


Yeah we all have to realize that Naruto is in deep denial here. Look at the flashbacks of Naruto during 469 when Sakura was still twelve as well as the flashback of the blushing Sakura next to Sasuke from 474. Naruto still sees Sakura as that twelve year old who is still deeply in love with Sasuke. Naruto believes that Sakura's love for Sasuke is eternal and undying like his love for her. I think he doesn't want to admit the possibility that Sakura may have move on from Sasuke and developed strong feelings for him.
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:02 AM

Please watch the double posting Graven. If you need to add something simply use the edit button.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:06 AM

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It is very complicated Sai-kun hm.png especially since Sakura also has old feelings for Sasuke. Perhaps she isn't sure yet who she loves the most but wants to help them both?


In the short time I've been with Naruto-kun and Sakura-san, I've seen them go through a lot together. Their bond is strong. But the bond between Sakura-san and Sasuke-kun... Sakura-san is smart. She must realize that she's closer to Naruto-kun than she is to Sasuke-kun. I can understand that she wants to help both of them, but the difference is that she's doing what she is doing to benefit Naruto-kun and try to save Sasuke-kun. She obviously holds Naruto-kun's life in higher regard, or else she would be siding with Sasuke-kun. She's doing it ultimately for Naruto-kun.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:52 AM

Intelligence is oft overridden by emotions.

Sakura is an exceptional shinobi but for a while her skills took a back seat to her crush on Sasuke. Thusly depsite being highly intelligent her skills as a shinobi were average at best. it was not until she began trully working hard after Sasukes departure that she became the Ninja she is today.

Naruto is a prime example of emotion overriding logic. It is not very intelligent to make a lifelong promise to return the very person who is your prime rival for the affections of the person you love.

yet he did just that. His emotions overode his better judgement and he did what he had to, to make Sakura happy again.
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:55 AM

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Dec 30 2009, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's true, I don't think Naruto even realizes. He views Sakura through SS glasses dry.gif Part of Naruto's problem is he still views himself as less than Sasuke, I think. He wants to be on Sasuke's level, but the only thing holding him back from going beyond Sasuke is himself.


That's how I feel too, Miss Soupy. But Naruto is ON Sasuke's level now thanks to all the training he's done with learning the Rasenshuriken and gaining the title of Sage. It also could be as Gravenimage said;

"Yeah we all have to realize that Naruto is in deep denial here. Look at the flashbacks of Naruto during 469 when Sakura was still twelve as well as the flashback of the blushing Sakura next to Sasuke from 474. Naruto still sees Sakura as that twelve year old who is still deeply in love with Sasuke. Naruto believes that Sakura's love for Sasuke is eternal and undying like his love for her. I think he doesn't want to admit the possibility that Sakura may have move on from Sasuke and developed strong feelings for him."

And in reality, it's true. It's the one flaw with Naruto trying to be just like the hero in Legend of a Gutsy Ninja. He fails to realize the hero, Naruto, had to probably face some tough trials in his quest to really change the world. And in short, Naruto is already like the main hero in his guts, his bravery, and his inability to give up.

Sakura said it best too, that she's been there for Naruto to witness his change so much, as well as his being there to support her and comfort her. Even if at first she didn't really understand him as well as she thought, and her learning how much Naruto really DID always understand her.

In short, Sakura has come to understand Naruto , and Naruto himself still has to understand some things with Sakura. After all, Sai said it best to him that Sakura isn't so childish that she isn't unaware of other people's decisions, since she's come to realize too that Sasuke has to be stopped.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 04:39 AM

Ugh...teenagers...the Naruto pairing wars will last forever, until Kishi pulls the plug and make them grow up.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 06:16 AM

Well, if we just look at it objectively, without out personal feelings but more at the way the plot has been structured out and what the main themes are, I think we can conclude that Kishi is pushing for NaruSaku.

1) Naruto hasn't shown any indications of liking Sakura any less/feelings fading.

2) What's consistent is that he's always thinking about Sakura's feelings. For instance, when they got into a confrontation with Karui and Omoi, and when Sakura started crying, just look at the way Naruto looks at her. Naruto's always wanting to make Sakura happy.

3) Naruto hasn't had much interaction with Hinata after her confession- that was really the moment to build upon if Kishi wanted to go in that direction. Instead, he immediately had Naruto caught up in the news about Tsunade and Sasuke and then the Kage summit.

Now, I think in general, we can agree Naruto has done alot for Sakura. I mean, just looking at the plot as it is now, what would it be like if he didn't get the girl he loved in the end- after all that he's done? Considering the lack of development in NaruHina, if he just in the end ends up with Hinata (and with SasuSaku) it kind of smacks of this "consolation prize" feel (note, I am NOT saying that Hinata is like a consolation prize, but that the way the plot is now) and like an affront to Naruto, after all he'd done for Sakura. Why would Kishi do that? He started the story with Naruto being a nobody, he would end it with Naruto gaining the acknowledgment and love he deserves (:

IMO this pic: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/450/06/

It's Kishi's little memo and symbol on it all smile.gif Hinata may have had confessed her love for Naruto, but it is Sakura who goes up and hugs him, while she watches approvingly?/resigned? (why would he put the "..." in the speech bubble).

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 08:04 AM

...^ I guess it only shows acceptance.smile.gif it is a different reaction where Naruto sees Sakura hugged Sasuke on the hospital scene, Where Naruto smiled but a bit sad on his face as he walked away.sad.gif really touching scene back in part 1.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 08:07 AM

QUOTE (pinkheartsyellowstars @ Dec 31 2009, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...^ I guess it only shows acceptance.smile.gif it is a different reaction where Naruto sees Sakura hugged Sasuke on the hospital scene, Where Naruto smiled but a bit sad on his face as he walked away.sad.gif really touching scene back in part 1.



Yeah, and I also wouldn't be surprised if besides accepting it that Hinata also felt a bit jealous.

XD Of course, with Naruto thinking that he can't have Sakura because of his thinking she's so deeply in love with Sasuke that he needs to remember...

SOMEDAY, LOVE WILL FIND YOU!!

And I think it'll be with Sakura. smile.gif

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:01 PM

Sakura loves Naruto more than Sasuke she just hasn't realize yet. It's true that she promised herself she will save both of them but finding out about Sasuke being a dangerous criminal and joining Akatsuki has pushed her to make her top priority to protect Naruto she's doing all of this for his sake. Even before the whole Sasuke criminal thing she was helping Naruto to bring him back to the village she was doing in it for Naruto's benefit because she knows how much Sasuke means to him. Let's face it if Sakura really loves Sasuke as much "as she claimed to him" during part 1 she would have betrayed Konoha and join him even if Sasuke could care less and end up killing her. This is the truth Sakura only cares for Naruto she wants to protect him and for his sake she's willing to kill her teammate and the person she "supposedly" love with all her heart. The truth is Naruto is everything to her he's her most precious person no one can't deny that.

We can't forget Yamato's speech as well what Sai said to her during the Sasuke arc there is a reason why Kishi has taken his time to make those scenes everything will be explain sooner or later. smile.gif

Edited by Gravenimage, 31 December 2009 - 06:03 PM.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 06:14 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Dec 31 2009, 07:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura loves Naruto more than Sasuke she just hasn't realize yet.


No, she point blank says to Naruto she no longer is in love with Sasuke and now is in love with Naruto. Sakura gets angry when Naruto tells her she's lying to herself, she's not lying to herself about moving on from Sasuke and being in love with Naruto. Sai reinforces this. What's she's in denial about is there is still some lingering feelings for the Sasuke she knew back when they were all 12. She knows Sasuke will never be that person again, and she's grown and changed as well, as has Naruto. It is Naruto that is blind to how much Sakura has changed. One only has to go back and look at chapter 248 when Naruto and Sakura saw each other for the first time in 2 1/2 years. Sakura notes how much Naruto has changed and she blushes, smiles, and flirts in an overt fashion inviting him to look at her body in a sexual way. But to Naruto he doesn't see Sakura's changes- "she's exactly the same". And we see indeed he does view her in his mind as still that 12 year old Sasuke fangirl. He's forgotten all the moments where she showed her feelings for Naruto.
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 07:51 PM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Dec 31 2009, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, she point blank says to Naruto she no longer is in love with Sasuke and now is in love with Naruto. Sakura gets angry when Naruto tells her she's lying to herself, she's not lying to herself about moving on from Sasuke and being in love with Naruto. Sai reinforces this. What's she's in denial about is there is still some lingering feelings for the Sasuke she knew back when they were all 12. She knows Sasuke will never be that person again, and she's grown and changed as well, as has Naruto. It is Naruto that is blind to how much Sakura has changed. One only has to go back and look at chapter 248 when Naruto and Sakura saw each other for the first time in 2 1/2 years. Sakura notes how much Naruto has changed and she blushes, smiles, and flirts in an overt fashion inviting him to look at her body in a sexual way. But to Naruto he doesn't see Sakura's changes- "she's exactly the same". And we see indeed he does view her in his mind as still that 12 year old Sasuke fangirl. He's forgotten all the moments where she showed her feelings for Naruto.


You're right I know that Naruto still views Sakura as the twelve year old Sasuke fan girl from the flashbacks he had about her from 469 and 474 he's blind to see that she has matured and move on from Sasuke. It's because he's too stubborn to see the truth and that he thinks he's not worthy for Sakura because he can't fulfill his promise and can't keep his word. He's also selfless always thinking about Sakura's happiness before his own happiness and since he think he's not worthy to love Sakura what better way to hand her over to his rival and best friend. I just hope Naruto realize the truth and he matures like Sakura has he has to stop thinking like he has to save Sasuke at all cost. sleep.gif

You can't save someone who doesn't wants your help. dry.gif

Edited by Gravenimage, 31 December 2009 - 07:53 PM.

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