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#2901 redragon88

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 08:08 AM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Jul 29 2012, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I kind of find it funny that we are all here arguing that Naruto would never change his feelings for Sakura, because that isn't his character, BUT we never really talked about Hinata's feelings for Naruto. Hinata has had a crush on Naruto since they were little kids, as shown in the flashback chapters when Naruto first met Sasuke, so why would she give up her feelings for him? Is it because he is in love with somebody else (Sakura), but in that case shouldn't Naruto given up when he realized Sakura loved Sasuke?

If she doesn't get with him, especially after her proclamation in 573, then it will seem as if she failed to get him. It would be any other failure she gains, and her character would have been pointless. Of course there can be situation written in the manga that can solve that problem, but for now I just don't know how Kishi going to solve this. I see the series definitely going to Narusaku, especially after reading some of the rumors of the latest movie that he was in charged in, but I now just don't understand Hinata's proclamation, and why it was given so much emphasis.

Well, one could argue that the core of Hinata's love for Naruto is different from Naruto's love for Sakura.

Hinata's love is based on her admiration of him and how that makes her improve as a person, so basically that love is focused on herself.

Naruto's love is based on his desire to make Sakura the happiest girl in the world regardless of his own feelings, so his love for her is focused not on what he wants but on what's best for Sakura.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 08:34 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jul 28 2012, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well I know I don't talk about Hinata because I've lost hope in her. I was really interested in her clan's future until the whole holding hands thing. That was the ultimate troll by Kishi. Have an entire page saying how Hinata is done with Naruto only to have supreme disappointment the next page.


I think he did for the movie. He seemed to have set up NH and SS pretty good. The panel that showed Sakura's feelings for Sasuke lingered and how much Hinata wanted to hold hands and walk with Naruto seemed to do the trick in trolling those fan bases. The icing was both the RtN and the RtN one-shot covers. I really laugh my guys out when they stated this proves us NS shippers are dead meat, when cleay they are judging a book by its cover. You know the old cliche. Never judge a book by its cover.

And I still can't believe that you people are cursing about Sakura's line, "Only Sasuke knows whom I am." Some like that. That line was not meant for us. It was simply a ploy to entice NH and SS into believing that Sakura has no love interest for Naruto. This was a preparation to stage the trolling, which led to Hinata failing to claim Naruto as her own. And Sasuke flirted with the other girls and offered them roses. Sakura then runs away crying from a summary I read.

My opinion, I don't see why it should not be a bad thing. If Sakura really loved Sasuke. Shoudn't she unleashed her true Tsudere from on Sasuke and berate him never to flirt, intimate and sleep with any other woman but her. But she never, which I believe that Sakura knew she came close to hurting Naruto's feelings, or a part of her realizes she never was in love with Sasuke in the first place, comparing both the Sasuke's from her POV.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:23 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jul 29 2012, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, one could argue that the core of Hinata's love for Naruto is different from Naruto's love for Sakura.

Hinata's love is based on her admiration of him and how that makes her improve as a person, so basically that love is focused on herself.

Naruto's love is based on his desire to make Sakura the happiest girl in the world regardless of his own feelings, so his love for her is focused not on what he wants but on what's best for Sakura.

yeha i agree i also think like that . but one thing i want to know why hinata jumped in to the battle field while naruto was fighting to pein . i am not a NH fan >_> .

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 01:30 PM

I had post this on a different topic (the end), and I thought it will be more better to post it here, its about Kishi stating that the manga will end in 2 years or longer.

I heard about Kishi will end Naruto with in next 2 years or longer, that might be good or bad news, because the current situation we have with the parings. Naruto knows Hinata loves him and Sakura knows Naruto loves her, so whats gonna happen between them until the final chapter (assuming that a paring will be canon in the final chapter). Kishi could continue the pairing wars to the final end, or he could kill one of the parings very soon, probably after the war arc (looking at you NH) and make a pairing canon before the final chapter, or my worst fears, that kishi might do a 180 development and focus on Naruto and Sasuke feelings on Hinata and Sakura to give it more time to develop (low chance of happening but you could never know with Kishi). I just hope that the next 2 years means more NaruSaku romantic development.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 02:10 PM

QUOTE (4000TMNT @ Jul 29 2012, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I had post this on a different topic (the end), and I thought it will be more better to post it here, its about Kishi stating that the manga will end in 2 years or longer.

I heard about Kishi will end Naruto with in next 2 years or longer, that might be good or bad news, because the current situation we have with the parings. Naruto knows Hinata loves him and Sakura knows Naruto loves her, so whats gonna happen between them until the final chapter (assuming that a paring will be canon in the final chapter). Kishi could continue the pairing wars to the final end, or he could kill one of the parings very soon, probably after the war arc (looking at you NH) and make a pairing canon before the final chapter, or my worst fears, that kishi might do a 180 development and focus on Naruto and Sasuke feelings on Hinata and Sakura to give it more time to develop (low chance of happening but you could never know with Kishi). I just hope that the next 2 years means more NaruSaku romantic development.

he said one year or one year and half.
i doubt he will do a 180, everyone is growing up, even sakura, i think sakura will recognizer her romantic feelings for naruto after this war.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 03:13 PM

hey You copied that post here . no matter .and yes are you sure about 1 or 1.5 year i am not . and yes i want sakura to recognize that feeling in the war like jumping to save naruto and then naruto saves her in bijju mode and she completely fell in love with naruto

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 03:19 PM

QUOTE (narulsaku @ Jul 29 2012, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hey You copied that post here . no matter .and yes are you sure about 1 or 1.5 year i am not . and yes i want sakura to recognize that feeling in the war like jumping to save naruto and then naruto saves her in bijju mode and she completely fell in love with naruto

i doubt he will use bijuu mode to save her again, everyone is growing up here, even naruto, that lover-nin make sakura think about her feelings for once and think about her feelings towards sasuke, when she said "no matter what you say this time we gonna be together" but it's not on the same sentence i think kishimoto did not want to spoil it right away and said that all will fight together.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 04:00 PM

I wonder if Naruto will ever tell Sakura about that time he transformed into Sasuke, I am very curious as to how that would be set up and how it would turn out. I cannot think of a way for that to be brought up in a conversation.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 04:18 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jul 29 2012, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wonder if Naruto will ever tell Sakura about that time he transformed into Sasuke, I am very curious as to how that would be set up and how it would turn out. I cannot think of a way for that to be brought up in a conversation.


Well a lot of NS shippers, including myself, believe that that scene might be the final step in NS becoming canon.

Perhaps when or if Naruto and Sakura finally deicde to sit down and discuss where they stand with each other. For example, Sakura might start to list of all the reasons for why she doesn't consider herself worthy of his love, like how she doesn't come from a very prestigious background or how she considers herself ugly because of her forehead or something. Then Naruto might say something like "I don't think you're ugly at all Sakura chan. In fact, your forehead is so charming. Makes me wan't to kiss it." Basically repeating his words from chapter 3. Then Sakura might say "The only other person to ever compliment my forehead was..." and then Naruto will say "Me. It was me." and then Sakura will remember how Sasuke said that "That sounds like something Naruto would say".

And then they lived happily ever after. The end. tongue.gif

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 06:44 PM

I would like for Sakura to find out about the forehead scene by herself. Like some flashbacks, we need flashbacks. Then she says OMFG it was you Naruto argh1.png

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Because I think Sakura thinks of this scene as a much bigger deal than Naruto. or that Naruto don't know how much impact that had on her.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 08:02 PM

I thought Sakura already knew that it was Naruto hendged into Sasuke. Something is defiantly wrong here.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 08:08 PM

QUOTE (TerrorKing @ Jul 29 2012, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well a lot of NS shippers, including myself, believe that that scene might be the final step in NS becoming canon.

Perhaps when or if Naruto and Sakura finally deicde to sit down and discuss where they stand with each other. For example, Sakura might start to list of all the reasons for why she doesn't consider herself worthy of his love, like how she doesn't come from a very prestigious background or how she considers herself ugly because of her forehead or something. Then Naruto might say something like "I don't think you're ugly at all Sakura chan. In fact, your forehead is so charming. Makes me wan't to kiss it." Basically repeating his words from chapter 3. Then Sakura might say "The only other person to ever compliment my forehead was..." and then Naruto will say "Me. It was me." and then Sakura will remember how Sasuke said that "That sounds like something Naruto would say".

And then they lived happily ever after. The end. tongue.gif


Why she woudl say that when she knows that sakura loves sasuke, who needs to start must be naruto not sakura.

he must confess his feelings to her like all shounen heros do.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 08:50 PM

QUOTE (Konoha'sCrimsonFox @ Jul 29 2012, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thought Sakura already knew that it was Naruto hendged into Sasuke. Something is defiantly wrong here.



Nope, she had no idea.. she wasn't very skilled at seeing a fake yet, I think that scene happens at chapter 3 right? so she hasn't gotten any ninja training yet...so no, she thought that was the real Sasuke.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 09:17 PM

She still doesn't know that Naruto henged Sasuke. The only part she knows that she was completely wrong about Naruto and trust him the most. The only problem now is that she doesn't know her feelings for Naruto is too strong. Sai and Yamato tried to comment it, but of course, interruption. It's a useful technique in manga, especially when done right. Example like Yamato. He said, "in reality, you-" then it stops at the last panel. You are engaged in this conversation, so turning to next page is adlerine. Once you see the be the panel, it was cutoff.

I do agree about one thing. Naruto should confess his love. It's one of the most anticipated moment that people in general are waiting for because he's the main hero. People wants him to overcome his fear and get the girl he loves. That's the best way with the best payoff.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:43 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jul 29 2012, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She still doesn't know that Naruto henged Sasuke. The only part she knows that she was completely wrong about Naruto and trust him the most. The only problem now is that she doesn't know her feelings for Naruto is too strong. Sai and Yamato tried to comment it, but of course, interruption. It's a useful technique in manga, especially when done right. Example like Yamato. He said, "in reality, you-" then it stops at the last panel. You are engaged in this conversation, so turning to next page is adlerine. Once you see the be the panel, it was cutoff.

I do agree about one thing. Naruto should confess his love. It's one of the most anticipated moment that people in general are waiting for because he's the main hero. People wants him to overcome his fear and get the girl he loves. That's the best way with the best payoff.


I prefer Flashback of Sakura moments that Naruto was on her side when she needed him most than that bench scene.

i do not want to see the name sasuke during the moment it's totally out of context.
i think kishimoto will not want to narusaku gets canon because sasuke was not on the village.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:58 PM

I really like the idea that when Naruto confesses to Sakura (IF he confesses), it wouldn't really be a confession. What I mean by that is that I picture him talking to Sakura all normal, nothing special. But as their conversation continues, he starts saying stuff like how she has always been at his side, and how she always makes him happy. In other words, he would be confessing to her without him actually planning it out, nor does he realizes it. Sakura will figure it out he is trying to tell her the truth, because, we know, she already knows that he loves her. But he never gets to say the words, I love you, to her, but she knows.

I see this happening as a final talk, right before the final fight. The hero will talk to everyone he needs to talk to, and say his final words to them.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 02:55 AM

I can't explain the stupidity in this response from a Sakura basher I've come to know over at another forum :|

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If Sakura got 250+ chapters of development then I must have been reading some different manga. Of course one chapter does not equal 250+ chapters of development, but its sad when a secondary female character is grown in about 4 chapters when she was ignored for the majority of the manga than the main female does in 100s of chapters.

Same for Ino who has grown in the team 10 focused chapters, more so than Hinata imo. Temari and Tenten are the only females who haven't shown any development because they are even more minor characters than Hinata.

I would cause many Sakura fans to cry if I went into my list of things Sakura has done wrong and why she is beyond redemption imo.

I'm waiting for him to give me that list biggrin.gif

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 04:30 AM

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I can't explain the stupidity in this response from a Sakura basher I've come to know over at another forum :|


I'm waiting for him to give me that list biggrin.gif


So is this guy honestly trying to say that Sakura from chapter 1 isn't any different compared to Sakura now? Is he trying to say that Sakura has developed very little? Even less than Ino and Hinata and other minor female characters? If so, wow... This is a fine, fine example of the power of human bias. I know Sakura haters who readily admit that Sakura is one of the most developed characters in the manga.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 06:45 AM

Stuff like this is the very reason I stay to this forum, and avoid NF most of the time. ^^ It's peaceful, and what people say actually makes sense. err.gif

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:29 AM

QUOTE (KeikoxYusuke @ Jul 29 2012, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nope, she had no idea.. she wasn't very skilled at seeing a fake yet, I think that scene happens at chapter 3 right? so she hasn't gotten any ninja training yet...so no, she thought that was the real Sasuke.


It was the second time around. Thanks for the input.

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i can tell your being scaracastic but in reality naruto has given hinata the required attention, also there off screen you have to account for...its unlikely hinatas confession went on deff ears and naruto hasnt shown or reaffirmed any feeling towards sakura you can see the difference in when his clones arrived on the battle feild and save them both...naruto saving hinata showed more affection than when he just asked sakura if she was okay. he would make hinata state her resolve only to have her be rejected by naruto. Hinata will succeed where sakura failed with sasuke. because i think after this arc naruto will take the 1st hokages scroll and jutsu of his parents to prepare for his show down with edo madara. he will fool everyone accept hinata with a clone and will want to go with him and will suceed at convincing him to take her with him to which is likely to be sage mountain. thats what i see
I got this off a NH shipper who is debating against my friend RamenRennegade.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 30 July 2012 - 07:29 AM.

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