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[Awes9]

All I know is, even if NS goes Canon soon or later on, people will still be debating it for years to come, I mean there have been Zukatra fans saying stuff like "Katara had a secret affair with Zuko because she truely loved him" even though the korra series removed all traces of this stuff.
 
If NS goes canon people will still make fanfics of stuff like Naruto feeling guilty of leaving Hinata behind, Sakura still loving Sasuke (even after we see everything happen even if its negative), or do some outrageous stuff like Sakura getting harmed, thats just ugh.
 
If NS goes canon, its simple Kishi wrote it that way for the story to allow it, kinda like how the story does right now. People will still disagree with it though and try to make something different out of it still.

Sure that will most likely be the case but I won't let anyone ruin my enjoyment I am at the point where I just don't care about the opposite fandom's opinion and we have this beautiful place to enjoy it so just let them be. It's incredible tough how the drama in the fandom is worse than what is taking place in the manga, people should give it a rest it's just a manga.

[Chatte]

You know these kind of things never end, I think you just tell her you don't care about her opinion and that most likely the feeling is reprocical and if she is not happy about it then she should stop following you since you're not going to stop posting whatever pleases you just because of her opinion otherwise this might last a long time, as I always say no need to debate just let the manga speak for itself. Of course I can understand your frustration since she is attacking you directly.

Yeah, I had some stuff prepared but I will just leave it like that...

@Inferno. Matter is, cannon cannot be changed. And I am sure there will be an interview with Kishi afterwards and if someone dares to oppose him, I feel like he's going to do some drastic statements...

[Awes9]

Yeah, I had some stuff prepared but I will just leave it like that...
@Inferno. Matter is, cannon cannot be changed. And I am sure there will be an interview with Kishi afterwards and if someone dares to oppose him, I feel like he's going to do some drastic statements...

So I just went to the tumblr page and I see a lot of people even SS fand enjoying it, it really seems more the case of a hardcore shipper than a consensus.

[Inferno180]

Yeah, I had some stuff prepared but I will just leave it like that...

@Inferno. Matter is, cannon cannot be changed. And I am sure there will be an interview with Kishi afterwards and if someone dares to oppose him, I feel like he's going to do some drastic statements...

 

People are still making a case over 631 and who exactly is right and wrong over Naruto and Minato's statements well, its complete chaos, but again this is stuff made so middle school children can understand, its funny how most kids may not even do the whole shipping stuff or know it even exists. If Kish makes that interview, well things will not be pretty, I would not be surprised if he said, "it was intended from the start of part 2." But hey as I said in my fanbases and their demands topic, sometimes criticism is a way for the authors to work when people react, just like when storylines in marvel comics begin to bomb, they pull something strange and someone who was dead comes back to life. In this case, if he really did react to the land of iron events he gave Sakura, it was all because of the people who hated what Sakura did.

Edited by Inferno180, 21 June 2013 - 01:20 PM.

[Chatte]

So I just went to the tumblr page and I see a lot of people even SS fand enjoying it, it really seems more the case of a hardcore shipper than a consensus.

Yup... some of my SS followers reblogged it and everything, she was just the only one who started attacking. Meh...

Not to mention the fandom kinda wants Sakura to kick at least for once Sasuke's butt...

[Awes9]

Yup... some of my SS followers reblogged it and everything, she was just the only one who started attacking. Meh...
Not to mention the fandom kinda wants Sakura to kick at least for once Sasuke's butt...

I think everyone wants to see that even Sakura's haters lol, that's one of the things almost everyone agrees with.

[Chatte]

I think everyone wants to see that even Sakura's haters lol, that's one of the things almost everyone agrees with.

Yup.

@Inferno, you're right. And about the interview, I believe that IF it will be, it will be something very rough becuase Kishi takes it very personally when it comes to Sakura and Naruto. I mean, look at the interview with the confession. He found it disrespectful from others that they dared to call Sakura "that chick" or something like that.

[Inferno180]

Guess all I should say is, look at the trope "Like parent like spouse" on tvtropes, look at the anime/manga section and look under Naruto, that should be enough, it even says how Naruto is the opposite to Hinata's  own father (Hisashi) right under the immediate section. But there is a difference, no fallback parallels or build up on NH for this stuff is there?

Edited by Inferno180, 21 June 2013 - 01:39 PM.

[Awes9]

I don't understand the overreaction really, it's clear everything is leading to a confrontation between Sakura and Sasuke, she already tried two times to confront him and they say "third time is the charm", people can be so obtuse that they refuse to at least admit the possibility it's really sad. Sometimes I get the impression we don't all read the same manga.

[Chatte]

Guess all I should say is, look at the trope "Like parent like spouse" on tvtropes, look at the anime/manga section and look under Naruto, that should be enough, it even says how Naruto is the opposite to Hinata's  own father (Hisashi) right under the immediate section. But there is a difference, no fallback parallels or build up on NH for this stuff is there?

Hmm dunno I haven't checked that regularly.

@Awes9 sometimes the other guys do bring good points, nevertheless, however, other times, it's like they totally ignore everything.

With NH fandom from what I recall, the problem is that she is a Tsundere and hits him, therefore he doesn't deserve him.

With SS fans what I have seen is that, some, totally ignore the fact that Sakura has developed feelings for Naruto.

And I mean, overall, tho'...some of the people in this fandom have read different mangas through time and shonen is always like main char x main female char. Excluding the development.

It's the same route all over again! How comes with Naruto has to be different?! I really don't get it.

[Inferno180]

Hmm dunno I haven't checked that regularly.

@Awes9 sometimes the other guys do bring good points, nevertheless, however, other times, it's like they totally ignore everything.

With NH fandom from what I recall, the problem is that she is a Tsundere and hits him, therefore he doesn't deserve him.

With SS fans what I have seen is that, some, totally ignore the fact that Sakura has developed feelings for Naruto.

And I mean, overall, tho'...some of the people in this fandom have read different mangas through time and shonen is always like main char x main female char. Excluding the development.

It's the same route all over again! How comes with Naruto has to be different?! I really don't get it.

 

Its just due to a standard or something, like if its more popular then it has to do something different, Naruto is very popular, usually right below One piece, but because one piece forwent any romance stuff, they focus to the popular one which does have it like Naruto. Also taking in the whole culture aspect too.

 

I mean given other series where the heroine acted rash and hit the hero, well it really does depend on the initial view, if its an act of hosility it makes things harder later on. Yet in ALTA, kinda find it hard to see how Zutara began when they were enemies just hoping the other would suffer.

 

The whole trope for like parent like spouse I cannot think of anything better than how it applies to NaruSaku, I mean just look, yes Naruto has traces of Minato and Kushina in him, but for the most part the Minato aspect is the dominant one considered everything we have seen when others have compared Naruto to Minato and what we have seen in similarities and events. Its just the perfect trope fit for NS. The hinata part underneath it though, that is referring to how if there is a bad relationship then they tend to go for the opposite or what their parents said not to do. Hinata wants Naruto in a sense because he was free and unbound from the strict stuff set up on her by her father Hizashi, rules were set up for Hinata, she fell for one who was not following any, kinda like that.

 

But the whole deal with this just still sits perfectly on NS due to the events I mean seriously now, who fits Naruto better than his father or parent Minato, and who fits Minato's spouse Kushina better than Sakura? The words just perfectly sink in there.

[Awes9]

Hmm dunno I haven't checked that regularly.
@Awes9 sometimes the other guys do bring good points, nevertheless, however, other times, it's like they totally ignore everything.
With NH fandom from what I recall, the problem is that she is a Tsundere and hits him, therefore he doesn't deserve him.
With SS fans what I have seen is that, some, totally ignore the fact that Sakura has developed feelings for Naruto.
And I mean, overall, tho'...some of the people in this fandom have read different mangas through time and shonen is always like main char x main female char. Excluding the development.
It's the same route all over again! How comes with Naruto has to be different?! I really don't get it.

Oh yes of course I do agree but here I am talking about the close mindedness of the Naruto fandom in general ourself included, I have never seen such polarized and extreme fandom than this one, I mean I was one of those who tought Hinata's development was over with the confession yet the manga proved me wrong, the right thing to do in that case is simply admit you're wrong and reevaluate your perception of the manga yet some people refuse to do that. For example Naruto's feelings for Sakura have been confirmed again yet some people deny it and brush it off as a joke it's completely illogical to refuse what's written in the manga but some people deny it, the same is true for the Kushina/MK parallel. Many people in this fandom have belief and will simply deny whatever facts goes against this belief it is like a religion and I know for a fact you can't change people's belief only they can change themselves. The best thing is to keep an open mind, I mean I am pretty sure NS is endgame but I still won't discard other possibilities. Honestly the Naruto fandom is quite something.

Edited by Awes9, 21 June 2013 - 02:27 PM.

[Chatte]

To be honest, I don't blame the fandom in a way. I kinda blame the society we're living in today and the media impact that has a large influence over one's views.

[sushi.]

Hmm dunno I haven't checked that regularly.

@Awes9 sometimes the other guys do bring good points, nevertheless, however, other times, it's like they totally ignore everything.

With NH fandom from what I recall, the problem is that she is a Tsundere and hits him, therefore he doesn't deserve him.

With SS fans what I have seen is that, some, totally ignore the fact that Sakura has developed feelings for Naruto.

And I mean, overall, tho'...some of the people in this fandom have read different mangas through time and shonen is always like main char x main female char. Excluding the development.

It's the same route all over again! How comes with Naruto has to be different?! I really don't get it.

I disagree with the main char x main char argument. Just because they're main characters doesn't mean they have to end up together. I just think they will because it seems the author has went that route. I don't think it's a big deal with them being main characters, it just gives Kishi and easier way to develop romance, more screentime, tie to the main plot etc. And we all know how he sucks at the romance part XD

 

Guess all I should say is, look at the trope "Like parent like spouse" on tvtropes, look at the anime/manga section and look under Naruto, that should be enough, it even says how Naruto is the opposite to Hinata's  own father (Hisashi) right under the immediate section. But there is a difference, no fallback parallels or build up on NH for this stuff is there?

I've seen NH fans wanting to stay away from the parallells because their pairing is unique or something. But I don't think it works tht way, the parallells are right in our faces whether we like it or not. XD It's not going to help bypassing ridiculously similar events between generations or the words coming straight out of the characters mouth like it's a coincidence.

 

And at the same time compare Minato to Hinata when the best argument is that they're both calm. I think Hinata is a very unique character in the series, because I can't find anyone that reminds me of her. That's a good thing, because honestly the parallells  can get a little tiresome.

[FrenchMyToast]

I've seen NH fans wanting to stay away from the parallells because their pairing is unique or something. But I don't think it works tht way, the parallells are right in our faces whether we like it or not. XD It's not going to help bypassing ridiculously similar events between generations or the words coming straight out of the characters mouth like it's a coincidence.

 

And at the same time compare Minato to Hinata when the best argument is that they're both calm. I think Hinata is a very unique character in the series, because I can't find anyone that reminds me of her. That's a good thing, because honestly the parallells  can get a little tiresome.

 

Well, parallels are tiresome when they don't support your argument. I just get annoyed when other pairings try to bend parallels to support them, even when they've already been confirmed to parallel NS.

 

But from a reader's perspective (not a shipper), I think parallels are a cheap form of story telling. I can see how a few of them can keep a story relevant and interesting, but when every little action was performed by the generation before, it just seems lazy. 

[Saku-chan]

Please refrain from bringing the heresay opinions of other fandoms into this thread. Do the opinions of other fans affect the canon? No. There is nothing to debate about it. They are not here on this site to debate with you. Even if you do not say it out right, the only purpose that bringing in opposing fandoms' arguments is to put them down in an environment where you don't actually have to argue with the author of that opinion.

 

With that said, let's continue with the thread in a positive tone!

[Chatte]

Please refrain from bringing the heresay opinions of other fandoms into this thread. Do the opinions of other fans affect the canon? No. There is nothing to debate about it. They are not here on this site to debate with you. Even if you do not say it out right, the only purpose that bringing in opposing fandoms' arguments is to put them down in an environment where you don't actually have to argue with the author of that opinion.

 

With that said, let's continue with the thread in a positive tone!

Once again, I am sorry, my bad!

 

@Sushi, I didn't mean to say that the main char x main char is a definitive in the whole situation, it was the fact that if the development is not enough, isn't obvious that since it's there, this is the direction is headed?
Sorry I was not clear enough!

[T XD]

@ Chatte: If you'll reply to her again, can you ask her these two questions: Would you mind Sakura not doing anything when she's seeing Naruto on the verge of getting killed ? And then after he gets killed, Sakura will be happy with this and will absolutely assure 100% that she will be with Sasuke... Happily also ?

Edited by T XD, 21 June 2013 - 03:52 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, I seriously think Japan is just chilling and know the endgame while we shooting at each other and see who will be the last man standing. I won't be surprise.

[bthug]

I just rewatched Naruto OVA 2011 and its So kittening perfect. I think we all imagined something similar playing out, however since its kinda been done Idk if it play out like that. 

 

Just to make sure the what happened with the OVA, its not canon right, just something the anime team put together?

 

@NaruSaku4life3g Ur probably right, cause thats what I was doing before I joined this fourm :) However much more good then bad has come, Im here for the Journey

Edited by bthug, 21 June 2013 - 03:52 PM.