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[firegirl]

I think you might be confusing this with what I know he did say in an early interview (I have all the databooks and part 1 fanbooks)- when he first was planning the story there was no Sasuke or Sakura, just Kakashi and Naruto. His editor suggested he needed a rival male character and he created Sasuke, then immediately after that he decided there needed to be a girl too and created Sakura. So, no Sakura was a main character from her creation. And Sasuke was the only one that wasn't originally his idea.

Perhaps you heard something from a reader who is a Sakura hater who distorted the above into what you heard. I've never heard such a story from any of Kishimoto's interviews. Look at what happened with the Jump Festa answers from Kishimoto, look how the fanslators totally distorted it.

And again one only has to look at the color spread illustration for chapter 1, it shows you exactly who are the main characters- all of the original Team 7- including Sakura.

what do you think of sai and his involvement with the narusaku realtionship do u think he might do something else

sorry if im reapeting my question in most of my post but im very cusriou if he helps sakura and get a glips of sakura veiw on sasuke because i really think it changed in part one, once she saw his flaws she started to see sasuke darker side and to me she had fear with naruto she became more confortable with him a trustful, thoughout part 2 it became more clearer

at the reunion she seemed scaid of sasuke again.

i dont think she loves sasuke like that, even with the bench scecn

she was despreate in the confession to him and never told him why she loved him just her selfishness and it just doent seem she really loved him but belived that she loved him

are u getting what im trying to say

what i saying is we never saw sakura POV though out part one and two only glips th FOD where she became sacired of sasuke and the KN4 fight where she was scaird for naruto

hope u get what im seeing if not sorry

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

what do you think of sai and his involvement with the narusaku realtionship do u think he might do something else

I think Sai, being the opposite of Sasuke, part of team 7, wanted to know how bonds work, wanted to help Naruto and Sakura. First, I was confused when Danzou said "I know Sai will not betray us", I hought Sai was planning this all along in order for Naruto and Sakura to give up their quest for Sasuke, but my thought was wrong. It was revealed that Sai can't betray Danzou because of the seal in his tongue(in order not to speak about Danzou), He later refer the POAL to his own seal, making a strong mark, In realization in what kind of burden Sakura had given to Naruto.
With these events, Sai being an emotional retard, come to develop how he can read/feel people's emotions. I prefer Sai than Sasuke.

So in conclusion, for me, Sai is there to serve as the catalyst, how Naruto and Sakura relationship being defined, their true feelings and about their bonds as team 7.

[Miss Soupy]

I think Sai is meant to help the reader better understand bonds. When he is first introduced he helped describe the closeness of Naruto and Sakura's bond. Seeing this helps him decide to reevaluate his feelings and open his heart to his new team. He also is able to show the closeness of a teacher-student bond when he receives trust from Kakashi. Sai also acts like an honest conscience for the members of team 7 who hide their emotions (Sakura and Naruto). Through Sai we are able to learn what they are truly feeling and going through. I'm not going to say Sai's purpose is merely to bring Naruto and Sakura closer together because he is a much more complex character than that, but he does help reveal the truth of a situation. I wish team 7 had more appreciation for Sai than they currently show.

[socermania2]

Wow......... We're being compared to Harry/Hermoine fandom.

Except for the fact that Ron/Hermione was obvious. Harry/Hermione was just better (srsly it was)

And that Kishimoto would never spoil parings in an interview.

It's this kind of twisted logic that irritates the hell out of me.

I don't even think NaruHina/SasuSaku fans even REMOTELY like Sakura. Man, if she joins up with Sasuke, that's the end of her.......

As for the Pro-NS interview, it has been identified as the most corredt by SasuNaru fans and an Anti-NS fan, so I'm thinking it's the most accurate :/

I could be wrong

Edited by socermania2, 29 December 2009 - 05:15 AM.

[firegirl]

thanks for your thoughts



i think narusaku will become canon but after the sasuke issue is resoved with sakura who needs a closer to her feelings for sasuke read beneath the underneath its a theme to kishis manga their is more then meets the and sakura love is still a wildcard mystery. and she stated she loves naruto. look at the danm expersion and blush people(sakura cant fake a blush)

nothing has been confirmed that sakura is still in love with sasuke(dont count interview it was fantrainslated)

sasusaku never going to hapen sasuke is a dead man walking thats confermed hes going into more of the darkness

[ciardha]

what do you think of sai and his involvement with the narusaku relationship do u think he might do something else

He wants to keep Sakura and Naruto safe and wants to be friends with them. They semi accept him, Sakura I think moreso than Naruto. Sakura cares enough that even she doesn't want Sai's life in danger when the faceoff with Sasuke happens.

He thought he was fixing things when he told Sakura about Naruto being in love with her and just how extreme he had taken the POAL. Sai didn't realize Sakura had no clue about what kind of horrific rules Naruto had imposed on himself. Then Sakura was horrified by what Naruto had imposed on himself and even though it wasn't Sakura's fault at all, Sai's words triggered her own guilt and shame about making that request in the first place and she was blaming herself for everything.

She hoped going and telling Naruto her real feelings for him would be enough to stop this obsessive chase of Sasuke. Sakura wasn't "being arrogant thinking it was all about her" she was driven by her love for Naruto, her intense protectiveness, and shame and guilt because of what Sai said to her. Sakura is intensely compassionate, and to a person like that, nothing would traumatize them much more than to tell them that they were causing a person they loved intense emotional pain.

Sai feels his own guilt and shame for how he caused Sakura great emotional pain for something he had misunderstood, it wasn't Sakura that had caused Naruto pain, but Naruto himself. Now Sakura has decided to take on all of Team 7's burdens on herself, the biggest being what to do with the rabid dog Sasuke has become. She knew Naruto would never agree to Sasuke being killed out of the love they both have for their former team mate. Naruto clings desperately to the tatters of wanting to redeem Sasuke, like a pet owner who can't bear to have their rabid dog put down, he's sure there's a cure if they just try hard enough. Sakura knows better, a rabid dog cannot be cured, it will just grow more mad and violent and spread it's disease to others. Out of caring she wants to end Sasuke's life before nothing is left but a mad violent dog that lashes out at everyone and anyone that comes near. Kill him quickly and with mercy.

sorry if im repeating my question in most of my post but im very curious if he helps sakura and get a glimpse of sakura view on sasuke because i really think it changed in part one, once she saw his flaws she started to see sasuke darker side and to me she had fear with naruto she became more comfortable with him a trustful, throughout part 2 it became more clearer

at the reunion she seemed scared of sasuke again.

Yes, I don't see any evidence of her having romantic love for Sasuke in part 2 of the manga, fear doubts, and wariness instead. I see her feelings as memories of her naive love of Sasuke in part 1, and the far moreso the intense team mate bond.

Like I said before one only has to look at the Sanin to see how strong team mate bonds go. Even on Orochimaru's side with how evil and twisted he'd become, still he, in his own way, cared about Tsunade. The scream of outrage when he discovered she was going to kill rather than heal him, and even during the battle he says to her- I never wanted to kill you. And even after that he warns her about the danger of letting Naruto live and the kyuubi getting stronger and the seal getting weaker over time. He makes the threat to Tsunade about coming after Konoha, but never follows through with it. He seems to accept somewhere in his heart her right, no matter how foolishly wrong he thinks it, to keep Naruto alive and become Hokage. He's content with having Sasuke in his possession.

And look, even when Naruto and Sakura come after Sasuke, he spurs Naruto into going 4 tails but it seems more his twisted idea of fun than an actual life or death battle. Kabuto even partly heals Sakura's wound. Then in the compound he warns them about Sai and stops Sasuke from attempting to kill them. They are strongly attached to Tsunade, and even at that point, that does seem to mean something to Orochimaru- in his twisted way. Remember Sasuke scoffs at Orochimaru's reason for not killing them as "weak". Sasuke senses there's some sentiment there and verbally sneers at it.

Look as well at Jiraiya and Tsunade's reaction to receiving the news of Orochimaru's death, both look sad, despite the twisted evil man he had become and been for years, they mourn their team mate.... Jiraiya and Tsunade had years to prepare and distance themselves, plus Tsunade disliked and distrusted Orochimaru years before Jiraiya and Hiruzen did. For Naruto and Sakura it's coming fast and painfully, Sasuke also had more humanity at his best than Orochimaru did, thus a deeper bond and more intense pain over his descent into darkness.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Sai feels his own guilt and shame for how he caused Sakura great emotional pain for something he had misunderstood, it wasn't Sakura that had caused Naruto pain, but Naruto himself. Now Sakura has decided to take on all of Team 7's burdens on herself, the biggest being what to do with the rabid dog Sasuke has become. She knew Naruto would never agree to Sasuke being killed out of the love they both have for their former team mate. Naruto clings desperately to the tatters of wanting to redeem Sasuke, like a pet owner who can't bear to have their rabid dog put down, he's sure there's a cure if they just try hard enough. Sakura knows better, a rabid dog cannot be cured, it will just grow more mad and violent and spread it's disease to others. Out of caring she wants to end Sasuke's life before nothing is left but a mad violent dog that lashes out at everyone and anyone that comes near. Kill him quickly and with mercy.

I completely agree!!!

Wow......... We're being compared to Harry/Hermoine fandom.

It looks like Naruto is less Harry and more Ron

Edited by pinkheartsyellowstars, 29 December 2009 - 05:44 AM.

[firegirl]

He wants to keep Sakura and Naruto safe and wants to be friends with them. They semi accept him, Sakura I think moreso than Naruto. Sakura cares enough that even she doesn't want Sai's life in danger when the faceoff with Sasuke happens.

He thought he was fixing things when he told Sakura about Naruto being in love with her and just how extreme he had taken the POAL. Sai didn't realize Sakura had no clue about what kind of horrific rules Naruto had imposed on himself. Then Sakura was horrified by what Naruto had imposed on himself and even though it wasn't Sakura's fault at all, Sai's words triggered her own guilt and shame about making that request in the first place and she was blaming herself for everything.

She hoped going and telling Naruto her real feelings for him would be enough to stop this obsessive chase of Sasuke. Sakura wasn't "being arrogant thinking it was all about her" she was driven by her love for Naruto, her intense protectiveness, and shame and guilt because of what Sai said to her. Sakura is intensely compassionate, and to a person like that, nothing would traumatize them much more than to tell them that they were causing a person they loved intense emotional pain.

Sai feels his own guilt and shame for how he caused Sakura great emotional pain for something he had misunderstood, it wasn't Sakura that had caused Naruto pain, but Naruto himself. Now Sakura has decided to take on all of Team 7's burdens on herself, the biggest being what to do with the rabid dog Sasuke has become. She knew Naruto would never agree to Sasuke being killed out of the love they both have for their former team mate. Naruto clings desperately to the tatters of wanting to redeem Sasuke, like a pet owner who can't bear to have their rabid dog put down, he's sure there's a cure if they just try hard enough. Sakura knows better, a rabid dog cannot be cured, it will just grow more mad and violent and spread it's disease to others. Out of caring she wants to end Sasuke's life before nothing is left but a mad violent dog that lashes out at everyone and anyone that comes near. Kill him quickly and with mercy.





Yes, I don't see any evidence of her having romantic love for Sasuke in part 2 of the manga, fear doubts, and wariness instead. I see her feelings as memories of her naive love of Sasuke in part 1, and the far moreso the intense team mate bond.

Like I said before one only has to look at the Sanin to see how strong team mate bonds go. Even on Orochimaru's side with how evil and twisted he'd become, still he, in his own way, cared about Tsunade. The scream of outrage when he discovered she was going to kill rather than heal him, and even during the battle he says to her- I never wanted to kill you. And even after that he warns her about the danger of letting Naruto live and the kyuubi getting stronger and the seal getting weaker over time. He makes the threat to Tsunade about coming after Konoha, but never follows through with it. He seems to accept somewhere in his heart her right, no matter how foolishly wrong he thinks it, to keep Naruto alive and become Hokage. He's content with having Sasuke in his possession.

And look, even when Naruto and Sakura come after Sasuke, he spurs Naruto into going 4 tails but it seems more his twisted idea of fun than an actual life or death battle. Kabuto even partly heals Sakura's wound. Then in the compound he warns them about Sai and stops Sasuke from attempting to kill them. They are strongly attached to Tsunade, and even at that point, that does seem to mean something to Orochimaru- in his twisted way. Remember Sasuke scoffs at Orochimaru's reason for not killing them as "weak". Sasuke senses there's some sentiment there and verbally sneers at it.

Look as well at Jiraiya and Tsunade's reaction to receiving the news of Orochimaru's death, both look sad, despite the twisted evil man he had become and been for years, they mourn their team mate.... Jiraiya and Tsunade had years to prepare and distance themselves, plus Tsunade disliked and distrusted Orochimaru years before Jiraiya and Hiruzen did. For Naruto and Sakura it's coming fast and painfully, Sasuke also had more humanity at his best than Orochimaru did, thus a deeper bond and more intense pain over his descent into darkness.

i agre with everything thank you so much just need to reread sanini chapters

[Jenskott]

There many new and interesting and insightful posts since my last one. I'm glad.

I see the opposing side is still using the same arguments and fact-twisting fallacies. Nothing unusual, then.

They have been doing that since the beginning of the manga, so it shouldn't bother us. It won't alter the outcome (whatever it will be).

it was a very early interview given for one of the fan databooks.

the basics being that his original design of Sakura and her part of the story were in essence meant to be very minor parts.

I think you might be confusing this with what I know he did say in an early interview (I have all the databooks and part 1 fanbooks)- when he first was planning the story there was no Sasuke or Sakura, just Kakashi and Naruto. His editor suggested he needed a rival male character and he created Sasuke, then immediately after that he decided there needed to be a girl too and created Sakura. So, no Sakura was a main character from her creation. And Sasuke was the only one that wasn't originally his idea.

Perhaps you heard something from a reader who is a Sakura hater who distorted the above into what you heard. I've never heard such a story from any of Kishimoto's interviews. Look at what happened with the Jump Festa answers from Kishimoto, look how the fanslators totally distorted it.

And again one only has to look at the color spread illustration for chapter 1, it shows you exactly who are the main characters- all of the original Team 7- including Sakura.

I was confused about it because there never was read such an interview and it didn't mess well with what I already knew and was written. Thank you for clearing it up.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

There many new and interesting and insightful posts since my last one. I'm glad.

I see the opposing side is still using the same arguments and fact-twisting fallacies. Nothing unusual, then.

They have been doing that since the beginning of the manga, so it shouldn't bother us.

I agree..
Anyways just to share guys, about 4 years ago, I saw a local movie. Its theme is mainly on romance. There was a scene there, that I found kinda uncomfortable to my eye. It goes this way/ The main boy attends a typical holloween costume party. His love interest goes as Sakura and of course the main boy goes as Sasuke. One minor character, whose role is the best friend of the boy, goes as Naruto.
It seems that they are tolerating the SS fandom, influencing others to believe(even they don't watch/read Naruto), the pairing would be NH and SS. Remembering what happened there, I was kinda disappointed to scriptwriters of that movie.
Oh well...

Edited by pinkheartsyellowstars, 29 December 2009 - 03:12 PM.

[firegirl]

have any of you ever wonder if sakura confession to both sasuke and nruto are character development. like hinata(which relly dindt develpe her?

[Derock]

Actually, the issue of how Sakura was first created and Kishimoto's decision to make her the female lead was also in the manga volumes when the series first started (I believe it was in the first volume). It was shown as sketches of the main characters along with Konohamaru and Iruka and Kishimoto commments about their designing process. I think that with that specific part is how many people in this fandom perceived Sakura when he commented about her.

[TwilightLink20xx]

^That is indeed the case

I don't remember where I read this, but IIRC, and God, I know it sounds like I'm skewing, it, but I swear I read in one of the early volumes that he said it was going to be just Naruto and Kakashi, but his editors said take it back to the drawing board, and make Naruto a rival and a love interest. Thus the creation of Sasuke and Sakura, and that would give the series a true plot, rather than the episodic nature that it would have had. Let's face it, without the other parts of Team 7, would any of us HONESTLY still be reading this today? I doubt it, lol. Anyways, it's also probable that I'm confusing something I read online with what's in the volume.

[Miss Soupy]

At this point, I'm not sure if it even matters why Kishi decided on the characters he did. Kishi hadn't originally intended on having a Sasuke character, but look at the manga. Sasuke IS the plot. Whether or not he was Kishi's idea to begin with, he is extremely important. Same with Sakura. It doesn't really give us much insight as to what pairing kishi intends to end with.

[Cloud]

Kishi hadn't originally intended on having a Sasuke character.

It's a trap!

[Hopestar]

Well when you think about it Sasuke didn't play of a importance until his deflection and that's when everyone pay more attention to him. Now Kishi is putting such focus onto Sasuke but neglecting his characters is beyond me.

[Gravenimage]

Maby this is sasukes last moments

I don't think Sasuke will die...yet he is a main character but let's be realistic here. Kishi is turning Sasuke into an evil person and he said it himself in the interview that Sasuke will become more evil which leads me to believe that he will become the ultimate villain in the manga. Sasuke doesn't know of Madara's plan with the ten tails but I am sure that if he does finds out he will betray Madara because I'm certain he doesn't want to live in a world control by Madara. He wants to live by his own free will and fulfill his revenge in destroying Konoha which will leave me believe that Sasuke might attack Konoha in the future probably during the fourth ninja war.

I have come to two conclusions:

1. Either Naruto will save Sasuke but he will die helping him fight Madara or the ten tails.

2. Sasuke will die saving Naruto the cliche act of the "redemption act" aka "The Darth Vader act"

But anyway leaving the topic to come to the purpose of this thread I have a question to all of you so please answer it.

Do you guys think Naru/Saku will become canon in the manga by ch 500?

[Cupcake-chan]

Do you guys think Naru/Saku will become canon in the manga by ch 500?

I honestly don't know. I mean, it would be great! But, how things are looking, I doubt it. The fourth world war will begin and I'm sure it'll take some time to end, and I doubt the war will have finished till then, chap 500. But hey! If there's not going to be a pairring then tough luck, I mean, we all knew that this is a shounen manga. This type of manga doesn't focouse on romance, but on action, adventure and the plot, Naruto's and Sasuke's bond.

[Miss Soupy]

I hope Kishi doesn't stretch the manga out for too much longer. People are getting a bit agitated with Naruto's obsession over Sasuke; something needs to be done to move the plot forward, otherwise he will always be stuck in this worried/upset stage. He needs to figure out his position once and for all, stick with it, and get the job done. No more wavering...or passing out >.>;