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[EmperorZeo]

bolt trying to save his company with the help of sasuke. sasuke and bolt having a piccolo/gohan relationship.

Does this include Sasuke getting blown to bits by a Napa-like villain? Because I would love that. Also, just finished watching that episode of DBZ Kai.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well my problem is that the later villains are all misguided such as Obito and Madara. Even Toneri. I didn't mind Pain, but didn't like the mass resurrection ending aspect. I don't mind villains with background intention that felt good but wrong at the same time. Metal Gear Solid has those but they are done much better than here. The thing is everyone gets a redemption moral ending rather than die with a tragic ending as a guy who had good intention or just evil. Itachi is the one that really bothered me till this day.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Love is based off of supporting each other, their hopes and dreams. That's why I supported NS because I felt they did that. 

[rocci]

@ahk
Kishi use grey morality and he fail.
Oh he try to portray sympathy villain

Edited by rocci, 15 February 2015 - 05:48 AM.

[AHK]

Well my problem is that the later villains are all misguided such as Obito and Madara. Even Toneri. I didn't mind Pain, but didn't like the mass resurrection ending aspect. I don't mind villains with background intention that felt good but wrong at the same time. Metal Gear Solid has those but they are done much better than here. The thing is everyone gets a redemption moral ending rather than die with a tragic ending as a guy who had good intention or just evil. Itachi is the one that really bothered me till this day.

I don't mind those characters either, it's just that they were so inconsistent that it didn't actually seem like they had any worth. Obito was the best villian to me because his pain was the most palpable to me and remained consistent. Madara was supposed to be motivated by his pain, but when it came to that, it really just felt hollow. He would have been better if he had just been doing it to do it, because they original motivation he had as a villain didn't even get expounded on later. It was glossed over in the flashback arc with him and Hashirama, and then never mentioned again.

Edited by AHK, 15 February 2015 - 05:47 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't mind those characters either, it's just that they were so inconsistent that it didn't actually seem like they had any worth. Obito was the best villian to me because his pain was the most palpable to me and remained consistent. Madara was supposed to be motivated by his pain, but when it came to that, it really just felt hollow. He would have been better if he had just been doing it to do it, because they original motivation he had as a villain didn't even get expounded on later. It was glossed over in the flashback arc with him and Hashirama, and then never mentioned again.

Exactly. I do like Pain more because his background made sense. He tried and tried, but failed so he believed everyone in suffering would bring peace. Obito seems a bit confusing because he said Rin's death didn't change him yet later on, he claimed it was her that made him. So which is it?

[AHK]

Exactly. I do like Pain more because his background made sense. He tried and tried, but failed so he believed everyone in suffering would bring peace. Obito seems a bit confusing because he said Rin's death didn't change him yet later on, he claimed it was her that made him. So which is it?

It was the latter. In my mind, he told Kakashi that Rin had nothing to do with it so that Kakashi would stfu and fight. I don't think at that time he had any interest connecting/talking with Kakashi, he just wanted to kill him. Later on he said that Rin was his only light, so I think that overrides everything.

There was only one problem I had with Pain, and that was the use of the intermediary body between Nagato and Naruto (us). I felt like it was a little harder to connect with him because his use of the intermediary bodies made him distant from us. Part of that was the mystique of Pain, as Nagato did refer to himself as God a few times, but I think it would have been much more personal had he squared off against Naruto and Jiraiya, and in extension us, in person. It would have made his ideologies that much more personal. That is what made the difference between Obito and Nagato for me.

Edited by AHK, 15 February 2015 - 06:00 AM.

[Change]

Agreed. Naruto lacked real villains and real evil. Where was that big badass like Teach that just wants to see the world burn? I feel like most of the time Naruto tried to be too philosophical in its lessons, so philosophical that not even Kishi knew what he was writing. Sasuke's ambition made zero sense. Madara and Kaguya didn't have any real motive. OP is more subtle in its philosophy, you have to dig a little more to catch what Oda is trying to say. Kishi sits there and tries to explain it himself and has no kittening idea what he's talking about lol

I agree, there really wasn't a true villain

You can say Danzo was the one that you could easily hate but he wasn't a true villain either. 

Every important moral message that kishimoto was trying to show completely failed

[Liu bie]

Valentine's Day is over but they're giving one of my favorite episode of Hey Arnold. The valentine one. The simple yet truthful resolution of believing you found love only to find out nothing in common.

Please send money.

[Change]

Apparently the score is 2.79

Edited by TheMagicConch, 15 February 2015 - 06:38 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

I find the two chapters rife with nH/SS pandering to be the more probable secret than some nondescript closeup of a rumoured eye. Kishi and Pierrot wouldn't dare retract on the path they have chosen because it would practically be an admission of their judgement having been erroneous.

Unless, there true intentions are just to milk off the NH and SS fanbase much as possible and the Bolt movie in one and a million chance shows and confirmed Pt3 being the IT and it happens at the end of the Bolt movie or near it.

[Advaith]

Anything new ?

[Kakashi-Sensei]

There is not a single thing original about the last.

 

Hinata was turned into Sakura, Naruto was turned into a tsundere, SP rehashed Shion's movie, Hinata and Naruto's combo was just like SasuNaru's, Sakura was reduced to her 12 year old SP version, of pushing for NH, so that she could be with Sasuke, and every other character was just there for props.

 

Every time I think of this movie, it's just makes me want to pinch the bridge of my nose in frustration. How could anyone kitten up this bad? God, I hope this series crashes and burns completely with part 3.

I just saw the movie and it was so sad... Like all the development between Naruto and Sakura relationship never existed... Sakura was pushing Naruto to Hinata like it was her mission, saying that Naruto dosen't know anything about love and bla bla bla. Makes me wanna puke. What about her confession to Naruto ? POAL ? All the time they spent together ? I guess that's all irellevant

And the kiss at the end, i couldn't watch, so much kitten 

 

The movie didin't answer the questions that we had after chapter 698, like what happen to Orochimaru, Karin, Yamato, the rest of team taka...This movie is just 98 % Naruto and Hinata crap relation , 1 % action with a bad villain and no suspense , 0,00000000000000000000001 % Sasuke, just ridiculous 

[redrose3443]

 

Logically, two tweens shouldn't have the physical or cognitive maturity necessary to understand what romance is. But in Kishi's warped point of view, small prepubescent girls who lust after boys for their looks and the "cool factor"  have a better understanding of what sincere and positive affections are like compared to teenage boys who have demonstrated that they would go to the ends of the earth for their precious someone's smile and happiness, even at the expense of their own.  

 

The two-face bastard can't even remain consistent with his statements made in interviews. He asserts that waiting until the two characters are adults is the adequate time to realise the intricacies of true love and commitment. How does pairing off two ten year olds with as much chemistry between each other as InoSasu or watching non-existent paint dry convey a positive image to anyone?  

Kishi's interviews, are garbage, when it comes to trying to understand the ending. He says he didn't want to write about romance at all, but included it in his story. He said he would not write a romance for Shikamaru, but had already been throwing in small hints of him getting with Temari. Then he said he wanted to wait, for Naruto to mature, before experiencing romance, then why the hell did he make multiple preteens state they had crushes and even loved someone?

 

He's clearly just talking out of his ass, because he needs any excuse he can think of to try and justify this horrible ending. But, he seems to fail in understanding, that he's just digging himself into a deeper hole.

 

 

I just saw the movie and it was so sad... Like all the development between Naruto and Sakura relationship never existed... Sakura was pushing Naruto to Hinata like it was her mission, saying that Naruto dosen't know anything about love and bla bla bla. Makes me wanna puke. What about her confession to Naruto ? POAL ? All the time they spent together ? I guess that's all irellevant

And the kiss at the end, i couldn't watch, so much bullsh** 

 

The movie didin't answer the questions that we had after chapter 698, like what happen to Orochimaru, Karin, Yamato, the rest of team taka...This movie is just 98 % Naruto and Hinata crap relation , 1 % action with a bad villain and no suspense , 0,00000000000000000000001 % Sasuke, just ridiculous 

 

Yeah. It's not even like, they just changed the characters a little, like SP normally do in filler arcs. These characters are practically unrecognizable.

 

Naruto the sweet, yet lonely orphan, who understood others better than they themselves, turned into a scumbag, with the emotional knowledge of a tea spoon.

 

Sakura a girl who was supposed to be a normal preteen and grow out of her foolish ways, was forced to go full circle. Then cater to the wishes of a side character, instead of the guy, she had placed above all others and had been through a lot with.

 

Sasuke was just there for ticket sales.

 

And the Naruto series was turned into a failed imitation of a shoujo series. It's sickening.

[Decius23]

What about her confession to Naruto?

 

A plothole the depth of the mariana trench. What was the sense in confessing (even faked) when Naruto doesn't understand what love is

[Advaith]

Why did this have to turn out like this ?

[Princess Iris]

02
A plothole the depth of the mariana trench. What was the sense in confessing (even faked) when Naruto doesn't understand what love is

I am still trying to understand how it makes sense
The one who doesn't know what love is, understands the difference between real & fake confession !!????
He knew how much Sakura loved Sasuke but failed to understand Hinata's love??!!

& compared love to ramen's love like wtf

[RedFaction]

I am still trying to understand how it makes sense
The one who doesn't know what love is, understands the difference between real & fake confession !!????
He knew how much Sakura loved Sasuke but failed to understand Hinata's love??!!

& compared love to ramen's love like wtf

To be honest it shouldn't have mattered if he knew exactly what Hinata's love for him meant. He wasn't interested ever in the entire manga. But what The Last is basically showing us is that men's feelings don't matter and it's all the women. Sasuke never felt love towards Sakura, and the same for Naruto towards Hinata. There is no logic to be found there.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It was the latter. In my mind, he told Kakashi that Rin had nothing to do with it so that Kakashi would stfu and fight. I don't think at that time he had any interest connecting/talking with Kakashi, he just wanted to kill him. Later on he said that Rin was his only light, so I think that overrides everything.

There was only one problem I had with Pain, and that was the use of the intermediary body between Nagato and Naruto (us). I felt like it was a little harder to connect with him because his use of the intermediary bodies made him distant from us. Part of that was the mystique of Pain, as Nagato did refer to himself as God a few times, but I think it would have been much more personal had he squared off against Naruto and Jiraiya, and in extension us, in person. It would have made his ideologies that much more personal. That is what made the difference between Obito and Nagato for me.

I can understand that. I just wish it was more than false staged death for Obito to go crazy. Like you said, the later part of Nagato would have been more personal have he join the battle himself, but still, it still took him a while to lose hope and begin to become Pain. Obito got tricked, which is odd because the whole Rin situation kept changing from Kakashi killing her to Rin do it for good to Madara controlling. It's like wow, what a cycle of who's behind one moment. I was waiting for Black Zetsu to say something that he made Kakashi blindsided in order to hit Rin, accidentally.

In any case, the one villain that had great potential in my opinion was Kabuto. When Naruto met him the last time, he screamed psychopath, but sadly, he too got to be innocent and redeeming. To me, I find it to be bs, but hey, new direction.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 15 February 2015 - 12:28 PM.

[Drivenbyflame]

Hey guys! Anything new these days?