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[Liu bie]

do y'all think Kaguya is finally defeated or is still too early?

Who knows the Hokages are coming and BZ  probably is about to be seal may be for TenTen.

[rocci]

do y'all think Kaguya is finally defeated or is still too early?

No or madara will emerge and take over.
The next volume is the climax of this war arc, I think.

[Uzumaki9000]

Another off topic: I watch a lot of Bollywood movies and this song totally reminds me of NaruSaku. It's beautiful. 

 

[六道仙人]

you know... alice band is a sort of hair slide.... Mito had 3 hair clips, Kushina one... All those people have some hair slides...coincidence? maybe yes, maybe not.... who knows...

[redragon88]

Off topic: I don't know what will NH/SS fans and Sakura haters do when NaruSaku becomes canon. 

 

Some will just be sad and the rest will go into massive denial. Probably say that Kishi was forced to change the pairings for some reason or another.

 

The cruel reality is that some people just can't admit that they're wrong even when you throw the proof right in their face, and the more excuses they make to justify themselves the more stupid they end up looking.

 

you know... alice band is a sort of hair slide.... Mito had 3 hair clips, Kushina one... All those people have some hair slides...coincidence? maybe yes, maybe not.... who knows...

 

Do you think the alice band holds her hair in place for that sideways style that Kushina and Mito also had? It doesn't give me that impression, but you never know.

[rocci]

@rikudo
She just look like eureka from eureka7.

[Sakura~]

I can't understand the Sasuke hate. He's one of the most developed character in the series. He's original and interesting imo. Ok he'a a jerk but its not always rainbows and butterflies... part of the manga success is Sasuke.

[ns.Believe.It]

I'm relunctant to dump on him over this because its just a giant hole in Naruto's back story. The same could be said of Kakashi (who was Minato's student), Asuma, or any other adult ninja. Mizuki was the only ninja truly bothered by it. None of them did anything and Naruto nevers asks about it.

The offenders are mostly unidentified villagers. It's really a giant dodge.

Agreed. Kishi probably wrote it this way just to let the readers know and sympathize with Naruto's terrible childhood. Kishi probably wanted to highlight Naruto's 'Never give up no matter how hard it is' way of life. But its been done badly and it raises more questions than answers. Why would Jiraiya, the one who named Naruto not bother to show affection and care for Naruto in his childhood? Why wouldn't Kakashi, Minato's student, show care for Naruto? Its not been explained properly.

 

 

The current generation might not like him, but at the same time if he had explained to him the difference between the Jinchuriki and the beast, they could have realized that Naruto was preventing the outbreak of Kurama. In this way, they could consider him a hero, and hate the beast inside him. They may have still hated the beast, but with the understanding of his burden, they might not have passed down their propensity to ostracize Naruto to their children.

Treating Jinchuriki normal did not just become taboo, it was always a practice to treat them like animals. Why? Lack of understanding. Your example is the best way to consider this. You spoke of a time bomb, Naruto was not a time bomb, especially as a child. He was completely different. He was a jailer to a prisoner. Just because a prisoner has committed a crime, it does not mean that the ones that guard him are guilty by association. Had Hiruzen had the foresight to explain this, Naruto might not have been ostracized.

 

Also, yes I was serious. Considering that the entire Leaf knew that he was the Jinchuriki right from the start anyway, not including the next generation. He didn't have to bring up the 4th or Naruto's lineage at all, he could have easily skirted around that (which he actually did). Especially since no one knew that Naruto was Minato's kid anyway, with a few exceptions. 

Did you even read my post? You keep saying the same things and putting all the blame on Hiruzen! 

1) Hiruzen had to keep Naruto's story a secret to protect him. There was no way he could make it public that Naruto was Minato's son and that Naruto was indeed the Jinchuriki.

2)Even if he had showed his support to the 'Jinchurikis are heroes' cause, he was still just one man. He would never be able to influence  the minds of every other person. He was powerless in this regard.

[T XD]

do y'all think Kaguya is finally defeated or is still too early?

I think she'll still be battling for another few chapters at least.

 

I can't understand the Sasuke hate. He's one of the most developed character in the series. He's original and interesting imo. Ok he'a a jerk but its not always rainbows and butterflies... part of the manga success is Sasuke.

Some don't understand his character. This kind of character is always cold and jerk. And some others cause they're tired of Kishi giving him power ups many times. That's what I think the main causes of the hate.

Edited by T XD, 23 August 2014 - 12:14 PM.

[Swagkura]

I can't understand the Sasuke hate. He's one of the most developed character in the series. He's original and interesting imo. Ok he'a a jerk but its not always rainbows and butterflies... part of the manga success is Sasuke.

I don't hate Sasuke. As long as he doesn't disrespect the queen, then he's ok with me.

[luffyq1]

[T XD]

Agreed. Kishi probably wrote it this way just to let the readers know and sympathize with Naruto's terrible childhood. Kishi probably wanted to highlight Naruto's 'Never give up no matter how hard it is' way of life. But its been done badly and it raises more questions than answers. Why would Jiraiya, the one who named Naruto not bother to show affection and care for Naruto in his childhood? Why wouldn't Kakashi, Minato's student, show care for Naruto? Its not been explained properly.

I don't have proof, but from Jiraiya's past life, he travelled for years, so maybe he was not in the village yet to take care of Naruto. As for Kakashi, don't know... It's going to stay unanswered or Kishi will say something about it later.

Edited by T XD, 23 August 2014 - 12:11 PM.

[AHK]

I think the only ones who really understood about the Jinchiruki deal might were the shinobis, even if not all. At least a part. But not the village. No, then again you are implying that he didn't say a thing about how a selled bijuus works. It's unbelieveble that he didn't explain what happened. I think he really did. "Our fourth Hokage and his wife Kushina gave their lifes and saved the village. They even decided to sell the kyuubi inside their own child. (...)" Do you really think, someone like Hiruzen wouldn't make a BIG speech about it?

  
If the village didn't know about the jinchuriki deal, then they wouldn't have treated Naruto like kitten. They knew and understood. And yes, I think that he did not make any kind of speech about it, especially as it pertains to Minato and Kushina for two reasons:

1.) if his heritage became public knowledge, he would have had many more enemies because of Minato
2.) had the village known about his heritage, and Minato, they would not have dared to treat him like garbage.

Agreed. Kishi probably wrote it this way just to let the readers know and sympathize with Naruto's terrible childhood. Kishi probably wanted to highlight Naruto's 'Never give up no matter how hard it is' way of life. But its been done badly and it raises more questions than answers. Why would Jiraiya, the one who named Naruto not bother to show affection and care for Naruto in his childhood? Why wouldn't Kakashi, Minato's student, show care for Naruto? Its not been explained properly.
 

Did you even read my post? You keep saying the same things and putting all the blame on Hiruzen! 
1) Hiruzen had to keep Naruto's story a secret to protect him. There was no way he could make it public that Naruto was Minato's son and that Naruto was indeed the Jinchuriki.
2)Even if he had showed his support to the 'Jinchurikis are heroes' cause, he was still just one man. He would never be able to influence  the minds of every other person. He was powerless in this regard.

Yes, I did read your post. No, I did not put all the blame on Hiruzen. In fact, in the last post, I said he was only partially reaponsible, but responsible nonetheless.

1.) Everyone already knew he was a Jinchuriki, that's the reason they treated him like kitten. The only thing they didn't know was that Naruto was Minato's son.
2.) Funny, because Naruto is just one man, he has even less power than a hokage, yet he has changed the minds of many people. Hiruzen failed because he did not try. He was not powerless, he just did nothing.

I can't understand the Sasuke hate. He's one of the most developed character in the series. He's original and interesting imo. Ok he'a a jerk but its not always rainbows and butterflies... part of the manga success is Sasuke.

Imo, I don't think he's really all that developed. His character to me is very simple. He doesn't have much depth, and his attitude only adds to that. I don't hate the guy, I just don't care about him in the slightest. There is nothing redeeming about him.

Edited by AHK, 23 August 2014 - 12:24 PM.

[rocci]

Sasuke is an avenger, nothing more nothing less.

[ns.Believe.It]

 Yes, I did read your post. No, I did not put all the blame on Hiruzen. In fact, in the last post, I said he was only partially reaponsible, but responsible nonetheless.

1.) Everyone already knew he was a Jinchuriki, that's the reason they treated him like kitten. The only thing they didn't know was that Naruto was Minato's son.
2.) Funny, because Naruto is just one man, he has even less power than a hokage, yet he has changed the minds of many people. Hiruzen failed because he did not try. He was not powerless, he just did nothing.

1) Not everybody knew. The grown-ups who knew about this hated Naruto. The children who did not know this did not hate Naruto. This was another reason why Hiruzen made the decree and restricted people talking about Naruto being Jinchuriki. He did not want the younger generation to find out the truth and start hating on Naruto as well. 

2) What sort of an argument is this?!  Of course Naruto is the only person who could make people change their opinions about him!

[BlazingDynamo]

BZ has Kishi's personality.Trolling!I'm sure his favourite character is BZ.

Kishi be like they see me trolling they raging!

[ns.Believe.It]

There seems to be a lot of confusion over Minato's wish and Hiruzen's actions towards Naruto. I just re-watched Naruto episode 2. Everything was perfectly explained by Hiruzen in this episode. You can watch it here. Hiruzen's explanation starts at the thirteenth minute in this. I hope this clears everything up.

 

Edited by ns.Believe.It, 23 August 2014 - 01:25 PM.

[FireFox]

I can't understand the Sasuke hate. He's one of the most developed character in the series. He's original and interesting imo. Ok he'a a jerk but its not always rainbows and butterflies... part of the manga success is Sasuke.

Its not about being cold and dark many characters are like that but they are written good unlike Sasuke there is nothing original in this  yes he has development but its utter kitten .  The problem with Sasuke is that there is no consistency to his character he changes his goals like I change my soaks  he's all over the place and the plot changes bc of that so he can fit in the plot that's poor writing , also Sasuke is the reason why this manga went the wrong way by giving to much focus on Naruto and Sakura   chasing him , every characters suffers when involved with him and needs to be reduced to being an idiot so he can shine  and the asspulls to many everything is handed to him that's bad writing.

 

There are many more problems with his character but him being cold and dark is not the reason why he's hated but bc the story went the wrong way by giving to much focus on bringing him back when at the same time he didn't wanted that .

[ramenanmitsu]

I can't understand the Sasuke hate. He's one of the most developed character in the series. He's original and interesting imo. Ok he'a a jerk but its not always rainbows and butterflies... part of the manga success is Sasuke.

He isn't really a developed character. His actions don't make sense most of the times and his goals change from left to right.

As for people hating him, I blame Kishi. If he didn't force this vomit inducing bromance the hate would've been less intense. But no, you have Sasuke do kitten here and there, and Naruto is waiting and ready to forgive him with open arms like the love sick puppy he is. People would rather wish Sasuke to die in comparison than having this whole manga centered around him, an unattractive guy the reader can't sympathize with.

[AHK]

1) Not everybody knew. The grown-ups who knew about this hated Naruto. The children who did not know this did not hate Naruto. This was another reason why Hiruzen made the decree and restricted people talking about Naruto being Jinchuriki. He did not want the younger generation to find out the truth and start hating on Naruto as well. 
2) What sort of an argument is this?!  Of course Naruto is the only person who could make people change their opinions about him!

1.)The grown ups knew, and they passed down their tendency to ostracize him to their children, without actually telling them the reason. They treated Naruto like dirt because their parents did.

2.)Naruto didn't just change their minds of him, he changed peoples minds of something that had nothing to do with him. Look at Zabuza, Gaara, Jiraiya (regarding Sasuke), Tsunade (regarding the leaf), Nagato, Obito, Ay, Ohnoki etc. He changed their minds on topics that had nothing to do with him, their opinions of him changed because of the initial change. Their opinion was secondary. Hiruzen cold have done the same thing, but did nothing.