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[Swagkura]

How was she selfish when she said Sasuke's name though? He showed up first, and it was her first time being able to fight alongside them, so of course she would be excited. I don't understand, to be honest

Edited by Swagkura, 22 August 2014 - 05:47 PM.

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Remember that picture of Sasuke's VA giving her flowers while pretending to be Charasuke. Maybe she read a little too much into it.

 

Seems to me Chie has a slight dislike for Sakura given her criticism of Sakura's confession to Naruto and the comment she wrote on her real blog about yesterday's episode.

 

I'm guessing Chie doesn't ship Sakura with anyone since she doesn't think to highly of the character.

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Criticism should be part of every character/person 

I can criticize Jay Z for some of things he done in his music, doesn't mean I don't like him or slightly don't like him 

[redragon88]

I don't think so, there is a part of the comment in which she also reconizes that Sakura has some merits for being so strong while coming from a normal family. 

 

I checked your translation post and you're right.

 

I suppose she's simply critical of Sakura's focus on Sasuke. She basically has the same criticisms we have.

 

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Criticism should be part of every character/person 

I can criticize Jay Z for some of things he done in his music, doesn't mean I don't like him or slightly don't like him 

 

I don't really know what you're trying to tell me with this.

 

People can criticize people they like and dislike. What about it?

Edited by redragon88, 22 August 2014 - 05:55 PM.

[Khaleesi]

My, my, my, this certainly has been entertaining.

Anyways, just a quick, slightly off topic question. What are your thoughts on Hiruzen? Just wanna know. Personally I just can't bring myself to like him. Not only for the whole Danzo deal, but something keeps me from liking a guy that sat back, did nothing, and watched while an innocent child pretty much got tortured psychologically for years on end, all while he had the power to put an end to it. If there was one thing that I wish, it would be that Minato would be absolutely furious with the man, even though Minato is partly responsible for Naruto's treatment.

Oh, also another question: regarding Hinata's little scene in the latest episode (which happened in the manga as well) and also her IT dream, does it not bother anyone that she seems to only think about herself time in and time out? We all know that Naruto puts Sakura's happiness over his own well being and his own happiness, and we also know that Sakura puts Naruto's health and safety over what she wants (or what she thinks that she wants), so their relationship can be seen as a selfless relationship (part of the reason why I love NS). Does anyone get frustrated that Hinata fails in this department?

Uhhh, i don't hate Hiruzen and i don't like him specially...it's kind of indiferent to me, but i have to say, it0s true he has something to do with Naruto treatment and Sasuke's deal but you need to see it for another perspective. As he said, he was too soft, so he let Danzo do the "dirty work" for him. Something similar to Hashirama and Tobirama, "The dreams, naivety and hope" + "Regulations, scepticism and a strong hand." The problem here is that Danzo is not like Tobirama, Danzo is jealous and he thinks that the end justifies the means everytime.

Sarutobi was always keeping an eye on Sasuke and Naruto, but he couldn't tell him the truth because he wanted to protect them. Itachi didn't want to Sasuke to know. It would be his fault but it isn't, so we look back and we find Uchiha's problem. The Uchiha's problems are the center of all of this. Every Hokage tried to solve it with differents options, but they didn't find a way to do it with efficacy AND not looking themself like the bad guys. 

I always see this kind of development in History. And i'm a law student, so i know how the state works, when it fails, etc. Of course in reality people like Hashirama or Hiruzen are unusual and die first :v That kind of sistem doesn't work for more pretty it looks. But they are beautiful people. We need them to remind us we are human. 

But whatever, the thing here is that Hiruzen did what he could. Or what his personality let him do. All him decisions were made for the sake of them both. Because what he was trying to do is "Naruto is going to suffer if i don't tell him the truth. No, he's going to suffer anyway. He can't know he has the Kyubbi inside. Should i tell him his parents are heros? That would make him happpy. Or not? He will be angry with the village...or not? What if i tell everyone on the village that subject is tabu, so he will not know about the bijuu until he's mentally strong enough to understand. A kid can be easly changed by their emotions." What he did was trying to find a way that it would be "less painful".  And for Sasuke, remember again it was Itachi's decision and Hiruzen telling Sasuke the truth it would make a lot of problems. You know, They explain that in the manga. And, about Hiruzen's personality that would be betray to his own words. So, he promised, at least, take care of Sasuke. 

 

(My english is very bad, sorry)

[Gojira]

Thanks for understanding. Apparently, I made myself an enemy of SS fans on tumblr by translating Kakashi's statement on this website. I'll take a hiatus on translations to not have to bother with all these comments from SS fans and to let the members of this site know that I don't plan to battle against SS fans like a raging bull. I only want to stay within this site.

 

 

that's a good idea. We used to have one, but it kinda died off haha... We'd have to ask the translators if they'd be okay with it, though.

 

I figured at the very least it should atleast won't congest our translators' inbox and if someone asks them a question that they've heard for the upteenth time they could just give them a link to the thread. If nothing else it will atleast serve as a temporary solution.

Edited by Pepsi, 22 August 2014 - 06:08 PM.

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I checked your translation post and you're right.

 

I suppose she's simply critical of Sakura's focus on Sasuke. She basically has the same criticisms we have.

 

 

I don't really know what you're trying to tell me with this.

 

People can criticize people they like and dislike. What about it?

I'm saying that just because you criticize a character, it doesn't really mean you dislike that character 

[redragon88]

I'm saying that just because you criticize a character, it doesn't really mean you dislike that character 

 

Oh that. Yeah, you're right.

 

In the end we don't really know what she truly thinks about Sakura. We just know that she has different things to say about her.

 

My guess would be that Chie could overall like her, but not be fond of the focus Sakura gives to Sasuke, which in the end is Sakura's only main flaw.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Quite honestly, if she ends that flaw, I can read with breeze. Spoilers I mean.

[Khaleesi]

Uhmmm, guys, do you rememeber if there is a filler when Sasuke things that Sakura is prettyor something like that? (they were 6 or so)

[Gojira]

Uhmmm, guys, do you rememeber if there is a filler when Sasuke things that Sakura is prettyor something like that? (they were 6 or so)

No? I remember Neji said that Hinata was cute when they were around that age. 

[Sedna]

Off topic: My friend just told me NS was a crack couple XD

[Gojira]

Off topic: My friend just told me NS was a crack couple XD

That's nothing, my friend told me she found Mufasa to be attractive.

[ns.Believe.It]

Off topic: My friend just told me NS was a crack couple XD

The person who said so is the one that's crack 

Edited by ns.Believe.It, 22 August 2014 - 06:41 PM.

[elmas]

SS fans really need that smirk?They are really immature.But reading their comments,it's priceless.

Yay SasuSaku

[BlazingDynamo]

When NS becomes canon they're going to remove Sakura's page. LOL


I don't even think he said that. I don't even look at her page. I'm too busy to worry about trivial things like editing a page.

I have feeling that would probably happen because if it does become canon some SS and NH fans will looking stupid

[Zoey]

Sasuke has showed zero interest in Sakura in p2 even as a friend. He has reacted more to Karin than to Sakura. 

[Liu bie]

Sasuke has showed zero interest in Sakura in p2 even as a friend. He has reacted more to Karin than to Sakura. 

Agreed, when Karin hugs Sasuke doesn't get annoy so much.

[AHK]

This is just wrong. Hiruzen had the power but he couldn't prevent Naruto from being psychologically tortured? Naruto's greatest pain was that he wasn't treated like a human but more like a pest by the people of Konoha. It may be true that Hiruzen was the most powerful person in Konoha but that doesn't mean he had the power to control how every person in the village felt about Naruto. Hiruzen was not a dictator to force people to alter their emotions!  It was Miinato's wish that the truth about Naruto should be kept a secret. Minato was trying to protect his son and Hiruzen was just doing what Minato wanted. 
 
Hiruzen always tried his most to help Naruto and ease Naruto's pain of loneliness. Even though Naruto, as a kid ,was an obnoxious prankster, Hiruzen never punished him but instead understood why Naruto acted so. Hiruzen gave Naruto the chance to become a ninja to prove himself. He convinced Iruka, who had suffered similar pain as as a boy, to look after Naruto. Iruka has been one of the most important people in Naruto's life. Hiruzen then appointed Kakashi to mentor Naruto. Naruto became a ninja with a strong will of fire partly due to Hiruzen's efforts and this helped Naruto form newer bonds with Team Seven which eased his loneliness.
 
Hiruzen has done his best to help Naruto and this is why he is one of the people that Naruto respects the most.

I'm not saying he should have controlled their emotions, and I agree with you that he wouldn't have done that anyway. However, I do have to disagree that Hiruzen did everything he could to help Naruto. Understanding Naruto and the way he acts is great and all, but he still did nothing to ease the pain. Let's take a look:

Minato's wish, as stated previously, was that Naruto be regarded as a hero, not in the future way down the line for beating pain and doing all the stuff that he did now, but as a child simply for being the Jinchuriki and living with a burden that was forced upon him. Sure, Hiruzen can't control the thoughts and emotions of those around the Leaf, but at the very least, he could have explained to the village the difference between the prisoner and the jailor. Had he at least taken the time to explain that difference, and that Naruto was not Kurama, then perhaps the villagers would not have treated him he same. Sure, they may have been wary, but with their knowledge of Naruto, coupled with the wishes of Minato, they might not have treated Naruto like the dirt at their feet. Furthermore, they would definitely not have passed their misguided sense of hate to their children, and Naruto might have at least had one friend growing up. The secrecy law that was passed by Hiruzen only added to the effect of suspicion towards Naruto being the Nine tails.

You brought up Iruka. When was it that Iruka had taken to Naruto? The day before he graduated the academy, when Naruto was 13. 13. That means that it took 13 years for Hiruzen to get off his ass and convince someone to actually look out for Naruto. There's a saying that goes "all it takes for evil to prosper in this world is for a good man to sit by." If you look at Hiruzens career as a Hokage, that damn sure fits the bill.

You also mentioned that Hiruzen allowed Naruto to become a ninja, but the same thing that applied with Iruka applies here. He waited and did nothing until way later.

Ironically, Hiruzen was not responsible to passing the will of fire to Naruto, that honor belongs to the tandem of Zabuza and Haku.

Honestly, the only thing that Hiruzen truly did was give Naruto an apartment. That Naruto sat in. Alone. For thirteen years.

[Khaleesi]

I'm not saying he should have controlled their emotions, and I agree with you that he wouldn't have done that anyway. However, I do have to disagree that Hiruzen did everything he could to help Naruto. Understanding Naruto and the way he acts is great and all, but he still did nothing to ease the pain. Let's take a look:

Minato's wish, as stated previously, was that Naruto be regarded as a hero, not in the future way down the line for beating pain and doing all the stuff that he did now, but as a child simply for being the Jinchuriki and living with a burden that was forced upon him. Sure, Hiruzen can't control the thoughts and emotions of those around the Leaf, but at the very least, he could have explained to the village the difference between the prisoner and the jailor. Had he at least taken the time to explain that difference, and that Naruto was not Kurama, then perhaps the villagers would not have treated him he same. Sure, they may have been wary, but with their knowledge of Naruto, coupled with the wishes of Minato, they might not have treated Naruto like the dirt at their feet. Furthermore, they would definitely not have passed their misguided sense of hate to their children, and Naruto might have at least had one friend growing up. The secrecy law that was passed by Hiruzen only added to the effect of suspicion towards Naruto being the Nine tails.

You brought up Iruka. When was it that Iruka had taken to Naruto? The day before he graduated the academy, when Naruto was 13. 13. That means that it took 13 years for Hiruzen to get off his ass and convince someone to actually look out for Naruto. There's a saying that goes "all it takes for evil to prosper in this world is for a good man to sit by." If you look at Hiruzens career as a Hokage, that damn sure fits the bill.

You also mentioned that Hiruzen allowed Naruto to become a ninja, but the same thing that applied with Iruka applies here. He waited and did nothing until way later.

Ironically, Hiruzen was not responsible to passing the will of fire to Naruto, that honor belongs to the tandem of Zabuza and Haku.

Honestly, the only thing that Hiruzen truly did was give Naruto an apartment. That Naruto sat in. Alone. For thirteen years.

Uhmmm, i think we don't have the right of telling if Hiruzen said to the village that or not. I actually believe he did. If he prohibited to all the citizens to said a thing, i really believe he did. He HAD to do it. Because, you know, he needed to inform how the Kyuubi was selled, and how Minato and Kushina died, why is the Kyuubi inside Naruto and all. That's not the problem. Is really innocent to think after that and they knowing it it would make any difference. That's not how humans in general are. Their reactons are veeeery commun. I see that everyday... and i'm sure you see that too. People doesn't "think" all the facts and separate their feelings. Humans are know for their capability of being rational, sadly, that doesn't mean we actually apply it...

Edited by theunburnt, 22 August 2014 - 08:40 PM.

[AHK]

Uhmmm, i think we don't have the right of telling if Hiruzen said to the village that or not. I actually believe he did. If he prohibited to all the citizens to said a thing, i really believe he did. He HAD to do it. Because, you know, he needed to inform how the Kyuubi was selled, and how Minato and Kushina died, why is the Kyuubi inside Naruto and all. That's not the problem. Is really innocent to think after that and they knowing it it would make any difference. That's not how humans in general are. Their reactons are veeeery commun. I see that everyday... and i'm sure you see that too. People doesn't "think" all the facts and separate their feelings. Humans are know for their capability of being rational, sadly, that doesn't mean we actually apply it...

Evidence suggests that he didn't ever explain the difference between Naruto and Kurama, the only thing he did was make the law. That is supported by that guy that Iruka saved Naruto from at the beginning of the series. Do you remember what he said to Naruto? He said "You ARE the Nine Tailed Fox" not "you are his container". This falls in line with how the villagers treated Naruto.

When it came to down to it, in regards to Naruto, he failed miserably. He failed Minato as well. Hashirama would never have stood for how Naruto was treated, seeing as how his wife was the jinchuriki, you can be damn sure that Minato would not have stood for it, and Tsunade didn't stand for it at all, which she proved time and time again.