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[Froot]

what you just wrote was excatly what i was thinking while reading it, i find it really amizing people think hinata is so important to the story, while even kish says in his interviwe sakura is the HEROINE.

seriously i dont get these people, why why do they think hinata is more important then sakura, even ino is more imortant the n hinata, she seems not important in her team compaire to kiba.

i just dont get it.

It's like them loving Deidara, a minor side character - Just because they like him they think he's 5000 times more important than he really is. They're looking at their favorite characters through rose colored glasses. I suppose, to them, Hinata's confession secured her a spot as the lead female in her single fleeting moment of heroism - A moment I wouldn't even call heroism, but reckless martyrdom. Heroism would have been actually saving Naruto. *shrug*

But, well, I can't blame them. At the end of Part I, where Hinata stood behind the pole thinking "Maybe I should get stronger, too" even I thought she was to become a more important character, maybe even as important as Sakura, sort of like a Rukia/Orihime situation where there's almost two heroines (even though it's obvious Rukia is the main character between the two.) Even heronite thought so. She used to be an NH fan.

But when Part II picked up, and Hinata was no where to be seen for, like, three whole arcs, that dream died. I suppose this caused a great disappointment amongst NH or Hinata fans when she was still shrouded in minor character obscurity. And I suppose they began hoping again when she oh-so-heroically confessed. But like before, nothing came out of it, and they're claiming that it should have, she got her chance, she should be the heroine, etc. I feel it'll be just like the Part I foreshadowing, where it seemed like she would become important, but never did. But who knows?

fanslators". ™

Sorry, PHearts

Then its so obvious. When you go to other forums, You can see SS fans signatures, naming "Because she loves him".. makes me..
either way, they are not happy when Sai told Sakura "Even I can tell, He really LOVES YOU

of course not. It detriments NH/SS. NaruSaku bad.

Edited by Froot, 27 December 2009 - 04:25 PM.

[firegirl]

For now, I assume that the other fandoms are greatly please with the "fanslators".

Then its so obvious. When you go to other forums, You can see SS fans signatures, naming "Because she loves him".. makes me..
either way, they are not happy when Sai told Sakura "Even I can tell, He really LOVES YOU

danme i am having an arugment with solefire if you could go to the confeession thread in HOU and see that would be helpfull

oh and agree with everything you just said

I dunno...Sakura apparently began to scheme on using Naruto's assumed feelings for her right after Sai confronted her with his revelation of Naruto's 'love'. She told Shikamaru to let her handle Naruto because 'the fool is ln love with me.' That right there points to her notion that she could use this love to sway him away from pursuing Sasuke and perhaps soften him up for the revelation that the rookies were intending to 'take care' of Sasuke, themselves. She never got around to telling him the rookie plan because she got miffed at his negative reaction to her 'confession' (took it out on poor Kiba) and simply stormed off in a huff. At least that's how I see it.

I still find Sakura's 'confession' to Naruto as cringe worthy

this is what he said about the confession to naruto oh poor kiba who devered that step

ok this person is she for real seriously

I think Sakura definitely planned to use Naruto's assumed feelings to lead him out of harm's way. Her obvious discomfort and inability to follow through with her plan is caused by her difficulty in lying to Naruto to his face about her true feelings (I'll leave it there). Even her hug appears forced and uncomfortable (and is reinforced by Naruto's stiffened lack of response).

Well, I disagree that Sasuke had no feelings for Sakura. I do agree that he did not want to have feelings for her, or Naruto, or anyone. Doesn't mean that his feelings weren't there, buried beneath the surface.

Sakura clearly was the only one to realize that Sasuke would leave and placed herself in his way to dissuade him from his path to darkness. She was as capable of feeling love at the age of 12 as was Naruto (and Sasuke). It was her love and concern for Sasuke that drove that confession, much like her confession to Naruto. The difference was in the sincerity behind her words.

I actually believe that she wants to save Sasuke. She intends to appeal to the Sasuke she knew as team mate and friend. Attempting to kill him is a last ditch solution that she hopes she doesn't have to face (she is aware of his greater power and is not stupid). Of course, this is my speculation and I could be all wrong. :wink

Edited by firegirl, 27 December 2009 - 08:43 PM.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Sorry, PHearts

Its okay Froot..
Nah...

of course not. It detriments NH/SS. NaruSaku bad.

I agree completely

danme i am having an arugment with solefire if you could go to the confeession thread in HOU and see that would be helpfull

oh and agree with everything you just said

oh thanks.
There are so many stubborn/troll people in hou .. I can't even bring some manga evidence because i am so sure, other fan will just distort it and of course will present the interview

[Cupcake-chan]

The thing about Hinata is that she doesn't trust Naruto. There have been several scenes where she tells him to "look out" or just jumps into the fight. There was the fight with Tobi, where Sakura told her to believe in Naruto and pay attention to the fight (can't recall which chapter). And there was also before her confession, she got envolved in a fight she wasn't welcome in, and made it worse. Shesh! Can't she just believe in Naruto and let him do things his way?!? I mean, what use is there in a realationship, if the two can't trust each other.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

The thing about Hinata is that she doesn't trust Naruto. There have been several scenes where she tells him to "look out" or just jumps into the fight. There was the fight with Tobi, where Sakura told her to believe in Naruto and pay attention to the fight (can't recall which chapter). And there was also before her confession, she got envolved in a fight she wasn't welcome in, and made it worse. Shesh! Can't she just believe in Naruto and let him do things his way?!? I mean, what use is there in a realationship, if the two can't trust each other.

Another time she didn't believe in him is after he got up from Neji's 8 Trigrams 64 Palms and wanted Naruto to stop.

I see the lack of trust because of the fact they don't hang out enough for them to know each other, since Hinata's admired Naruto from a distance alone.

Bryon

[X105]

I have to disagree with this one.

For example, during the Kage conference, one of the characters (I forget which one) talked about how Sasuke defeated Zabuza and Haku. We (the reader) know this to be false. But it is completely in character for anyone outside the village to assume "the genius Uchiha" was the one who won the fights.

What the manga has shown us is that the only certifiably true statements are when we see the characters thinking to themselves. We get a peek at what they are feeling, or how they viewed a situation. Anything that is said from one person to another might be influenced by emotion, bias, etc. Just because an Uchiha talks about an impregnable defense, doesn't mean it won't be broken later (just that it will be very difficult to do so).

In any case, I find it interesting how many people who latch onto Sai's statement that "Sakura loves Sasuke", manage to insist this somehow means she cannot love Naruto, despite everything else Sai said in that same conversation.

I see what you are talking about. I was thinking about when Madara made his rant to Sasuke about the village origins and Itachi a lot of people were saying it was a lie. We know now that he was telling the truth except for the part about the nine-tails attack because Itachi already confirmed it was Madara not an act of nature. That is one of the main examples of a part of the text being proven as a lie.

I totally agree that most people forget about Sai explaining the other reason Sakura was going after Sasuke, but I think that is how Kishimoto really wanted it.

[firegirl]

Its okay Froot..
Nah...


I agree completely


oh thanks.
There are so many stubborn/troll people in hou .. I can't even bring some manga evidence because i am so sure, other fan will just distort it and of course will present the interview

you should see what she wrote to reply because she thinks sakura planed everything including the confession

and the person thinks she is saving sasuke not killing him please

do SS people think that Pink

Edited by firegirl, 27 December 2009 - 08:24 PM.

[catsi563]

Oh I think she trusts him enough. But her concern for him overrides that trust.

look at the Neji Naruto fight again, and the Kiba fight as well. Sakura also shows concern for Naruto in those fights. But she also understands that hes tough he can take the pounding. So she supports him even though it hurts her to do so.

Showing concern for someone isnt really the issue between Naruto and Hinata in the Neji fight.

alot of people point to that fight as the great beginning of NaruHina. but the truth is that Hinatas entire point in that battle is to presage the Neji Naruto battle, and more specifically the conflict between main and branch households.

also in the theme of every battle having a specific theme with which the victor of the battle ((if not necessarily the fight)) can be deduced. The Neji Naruto fight was about losers and hard workers defying what their pereived destiny was. this is an oft over looked aspect of the manga and fight by NaruHina fans who try and see more into it then is there.

at one moment in the fight naruto thinks of both hinata and lee. He is thinking this as Neji berates him and tries to tear him down.

also to consider is Sakuras actions when Naruto was in the grip of the fox. does her rushing forward to stop him form further harm show a lack of trust in Naruto?

No it shows a distinct concern for his well being, which is something both of them share.

what we need to be concered with is development.

Hinatas development was done in the battle between her and Neji. But after that her development as a character stopped. and as shown in part 2 she showed no signs of growth or changing as a character. she was still painfully shy around naruto and fainted around him.

even in the moments when she was teamed with him her behavior was unchanged from pre shippuden. In essence Hinatas plot relevance ended when Naruto defeated Neji thus cementing the notion of Hardwork being able to defy destiny.

if we look at Sakura though she on the other hand has changed almost from the beginning. Our initial impressions of ehr as a Sasuke fangirl are slowly but steadilly changed and forgotten as she shows clear and steady growth throughout part 1 and well into part 2.

Hinatas first and only step in character development in part 1 comes when she talks to naruto before his battle with Neji. her second step comes when she leaps into battle to defend Naruto against pein.

but thats it thats all the development she gets.

Sakura is show under constant development and the results are clear with each chapter she appears in.

[Froot]

Sorry for jumping in so late.

I dunno...Sakura apparently began to scheme on using Naruto's assumed feelings for her right after Sai confronted her with his revelation of Naruto's 'love'.

Love how they use scheme. Like what she said to Naruto was negative.

She told Shikamaru to let her handle Naruto because 'the fool is ln love with me.' That right there points to her notion that she could use this love to sway him away from pursuing Sasuke and perhaps soften him up for the revelation that the rookies were intending to 'take care' of Sasuke, themselves. She never got around to telling him the rookie plan because she got miffed at his negative reaction to her 'confession'

Again, they are absolutely missing the point.

Sakura "schemed" to protect Naruto! It doesn't matter how she said it, what she did, the reason for it all was to PROTECT Naruto! It was for him, and they just don't see it. Why would she want to protect Naruto? I don't know, but I'm getting a hunch it's because of "I love you!" But whatever. Apparently, it doesn't matter if you performed CPR and saved someone's life. You broke their ribs, and that's all that matters.

(took it out on poor Kiba) and simply stormed off in a huff. At least that's how I see it.

I could facepalm all day. I really could.

"Took it out on Kiba?" She was shutting him up because he was about to tell Naruto about the thing that Sakura was trying to protect him from! In all regards he deserved that hit. I love how they make Sakura seem so petty.

The thing about Hinata is that she doesn't trust Naruto. There have been several scenes where she tells him to "look out" or just jumps into the fight. There was the fight with Tobi, where Sakura told her to believe in Naruto and pay attention to the fight (can't recall which chapter). And there was also before her confession, she got envolved in a fight she wasn't welcome in, and made it worse. Shesh! Can't she just believe in Naruto and let him do things his way?!? I mean, what use is there in a realationship, if the two can't trust each other.

Agreed. Hinata has absolutely no faith in Naruto, no matter how you look at it. She has no confidence in his strength, even to the point where she thinks she can defend him as if he's a helpless child. She knows nothing about him. I mean, that's pretty discouraging.

NH fans argue that she's "worried about him, that's all." Okay. Maybe. But you can be worried about someone while at the same time having confidence in them. Sakura knows Naruto better and actually has faith in him. Yes, she's worried about him, and the only time she's ever moved into action to stop him from doing something was when he wasn't even in control of himself. What Hinata did was try to save him (even though she expected to die, what is that? "I love you, so I'm going to try to save you after I give my big heroic speech and make you feel guilty about my death")

and the person thinks she is saving sasuke not killing him please

That's the thing... She IS saving him. By killing him.

Oh I think she trusts him enough. But her concern for him overrides that trust.

I don't think "concern" is the right word. I think "sick worry" fits a little better.

look at the Neji Naruto fight again, and the Kiba fight as well. Sakura also shows concern for Naruto in those fights. But she also understands that hes tough he can take the pounding. So she supports him even though it hurts her to do so.

Which proves what I said. You can worry about someone but have faith in them at the same time.

Showing concern for someone isnt really the issue between Naruto and Hinata in the Neji fight.

alot of people point to that fight as the great beginning of NaruHina. but the truth is that Hinatas entire point in that battle is to presage the Neji Naruto battle, and more specifically the conflict between main and branch households.

Right. Her only significance is as a Hyyuga, and a reason to make the blood vow. Actually, Lee was the reason too. Underdogs. It was for the underdogs.

also to consider is Sakuras actions when Naruto was in the grip of the fox. does her rushing forward to stop him form further harm show a lack of trust in Naruto?

The difference is that when he was posessed, Naruto didn't even have control of himself. It was a last minute thing, trying to save him, whereas Hinata had to have her little monologue first before she did anything.

Hinatas first and only step in character development in part 1 comes when she talks to naruto before his battle with Neji. her second step comes when she leaps into battle to defend Naruto against pein.

but thats it thats all the development she gets.

Sakura is show under constant development and the results are clear with each chapter she appears in.

I think that's part of the reason they went so crazy over the confession. It was sudden and unexpected. But then it ended like that. Whereas NaruSaku continues to develop in subtle strides and constantly and continuously develops. Exactly why I think Hinata's confession was either fanservice of just a Hinata moment.

[firegirl]

what do u guys think of sai and his involvmet with naruto and sakura realationship?

this has been an curiosity to me since he has been so involved from the begining he was introduce. what i think is he is the one that will put naruto and sakura to the big test of love trust .and comunication, thoughout this ark sai has represented to tell the truth between naruto and sakura because compair to sasuke he cares about both naruto and sakura, kish is showing this alternative sasuke who is sai. sai has been more of a friend then sasuke has ever been so truth is i think sasuke is going to die and sai will becaome the true friend naruto and sakura have been seeing sasuke as thoughout part 2.

so i think sai has a very big role for the manga he wasent just put their for no reason or a sasuke replasment.

also he knows the diffrence between sibling love and romantic love remember he had a brother he loved.

he is confised about the feelings sakura and naruto give to eachother. he even told sakura he read in a book that she is gentle with narutoand does not understand it.

thoughout his whole time with them he and yamato have obsvered their realationship.

[catsi563]

thats pretty much what Sai is for the story. He was introduced as a way to explain the relationship dynamics in the story between Naruto and Sakura.

his studies of humanity and emotions being the prime catalyst for this.

# He explained through his reading how Sakura was gentle with naruto, thus revisiting what Shikaku said to Shikamaru about tough women and the men they love.

#He explianed about Suffixes and what they mean, and what the lack of a suffix means. Denoting the little touched upon fact that Sakura has never used a suffix with Naruto, indicating a deeper closeness with him then many give credit for.

#lastly he has been used as a catalyst to get both Naruto and Sakura to explore their feelings for each other. without his interference Naruto would likely have never revealed to anyone how he felt about Sakura. Nor would Sakura have taken the bold steps she has taken lately.

[firegirl]

thats pretty much what Sai is for the story. He was introduced as a way to explain the relationship dynamics in the story between Naruto and Sakura.

his studies of humanity and emotions being the prime catalyst for this.

# He explained through his reading how Sakura was gentle with naruto, thus revisiting what Shikaku said to Shikamaru about tough women and the men they love.

#He explianed about Suffixes and what they mean, and what the lack of a suffix means. Denoting the little touched upon fact that Sakura has never used a suffix with Naruto, indicating a deeper closeness with him then many give credit for.

#lastly he has been used as a catalyst to get both Naruto and Sakura to explore their feelings for each other. without his interference Naruto would likely have never revealed to anyone how he felt about Sakura. Nor would Sakura have taken the bold steps she has taken lately.

agree and i think he has a bigger role instore he will defenatly do something else to their realatioship

[tricksie]

I hope, hope, hope he doesn't get killed off in the end. Some kind of sacrificial team member to take down Sasuke, leaving Naruto and Sakura without blood on their hands. I'm so worried he's going to get killed, since his purpose is to help move the plot along, that he might not make it once the plot issues are resolved.

[firegirl]

I hope, hope, hope he doesn't get killed off in the end. Some kind of sacrificial team member to take down Sasuke, leaving Naruto and Sakura without blood on their hands. I'm so worried he's going to get killed, since his purpose is to help move the plot along, that he might not make it once the plot issues are resolved.

stop stop stop hes one of my favorite characters i dont want him to die

he needs to resolve everything but i think sasuke is going die leaving sai to live

gah bad vision nooo sai dont die

[Froot]

The fandom's are getting cocky with this new interview... I'ts like they completely abandoned the manga just for this. But it's funny, how they obsess over it, when it doesn't even say anything positive for SasuSaku, OR NaruHina. (If anything, it's a slap to the face for Hinata.)

This fandom... It's the most irritating fandom I've ever had the displeasure of seeing...

[firegirl]

The fandom's are getting cocky with this new interview... I'ts like they completely abandoned the manga just for this. But it's funny, how they obsess over it, when it doesn't even say anything positive for SasuSaku, OR NaruHina. (If anything, it's a slap to the face for Hinata.)

This fandom... It's the most irritating fandom I've ever had the displeasure of seeing...

your right it is really imature and anoyying

sometimes i just rather stick with bleach, shugo chara and one peice

at least their abit tamed

[Froot]

Okay, guys, you know those little comic strips they make, and it's kind of like a series of arguments? Kind of like Paptala's "In Defense of NaruSaku." Well, I've become SO annoyed with all of the people using the JF Interview as an argument, so I've been wanting to make one of those about it. The only problem is, I don't really think I know enough about it yet... Could you guys help me? Just list a few arguments about it. I know that's what we've been doing for the past... What, like, week? But I just sort of need a summary. Yeah, that's it. I'd just like a summary of this, if you don't mind?

Thank you

[firegirl]

Okay, guys, you know those little comic strips they make, and it's kind of like a series of arguments? Kind of like Paptala's "In Defense of NaruSaku." Well, I've become SO annoyed with all of the people using the JF Interview as an argument, so I've been wanting to make one of those about it. The only problem is, I don't really think I know enough about it yet... Could you guys help me? Just list a few arguments about it. I know that's what we've been doing for the past... What, like, week? But I just sort of need a summary. Yeah, that's it. I'd just like a summary of this, if you don't mind?

Thank you

ii can give you some

first kishi never wanted sakura to be detestable, the hug was suppose to be more romantic it think(someone correct me if im wrong) kishi never said sakura love sasuke, and i think he was fed up with hinata fans and saying sakura is the heroine not hinata in the nicest way possibe

uh i hope that helps somewhat

ill get back to you when reread about it

Edited by firegirl, 28 December 2009 - 05:23 PM.

[Kenny-kun]

I'm a huge NaruSaku fan, but even I have to admit that my confidence in the pairings has been dwindling. It's like Harry/Hermoine all over again. I remember coming up with reasons which were "irrefutable" when up against the Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermoine crowd, yet that didn't change the truth in the end.

This interview has certainly been pretty startling and I'm very sure that I could rationalize it in favor of "Kishi definitely supports NaruSaku" in the end just as I am sure anyone can, but perhaps all of that "pairing development" is nothing more than bad writing on Kishi's part. Kishi has made quite a few ridiculous moves throughout part II (Pein waving a magic wand and bringing everyone back to life, Kisami's death and the Uchiha cluttered plot to name a few) and has maintained Sakura's feelings for Sasuke when they pretty much have no reason to be anything more than a childish crush. And quite frankly, I never did buy the whole "brothers" theme between Naruto and Sasuke (it could have been better developed, but I won't get into that here). In many ways, he is on par with Tite Kubo; he'll often disregard storyline potential and do something completely ridiculous instead.

Now I'm not saying that I don't believe NaruSaku will not happen, but I certainly don't deny the likelihood of there being no confirmed pairings in the end or . . . *shudders* NaruHina.

[firegirl]

I'm a huge NaruSaku fan, but even I have to admit that my confidence in the pairings has been dwindling. It's like Harry/Hermoine all over again. I remember coming up with reasons which were "irrefutable" when up against the Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermoine crowd, yet that didn't change the truth in the end.

This interview has certainly been pretty startling and I'm very sure that I could rationalize it in favor of "Kishi definitely supports NaruSaku" in the end just as I am sure anyone can, but perhaps all of that "pairing development" is nothing more than bad writing on Kishi's part. Kishi has made quite a few ridiculous moves throughout part II (Pein waving a magic wand and bringing everyone back to life, Kisami's death and the Uchiha cluttered plot to name a few) and has maintained Sakura's feelings for Sasuke when they pretty much have no reason to be anything more than a childish crush. And quite frankly, I never did buy the whole "brothers" theme between Naruto and Sasuke (it could have been better developed, but I won't get into that here). In many ways, he is on par with Tite Kubo; he'll often disregard storyline potential and do something completely ridiculous instead.

Now I'm not saying that I don't believe NaruSaku will not happen, but I certainly don't deny the likelihood of there being no confirmed pairings in the end or . . . *shudders* NaruHina.

umm im a ron adn herminoe fan and to me thats way more of the narusaku realationship both couples have tension and both girls gradualy if read the book and manga carefully grew affection torwds those two boys. ron can be jerk sometimes but hes has a good heart unlike sasuke, naruto can be jerk too when hes cocky but also has a good heart.

and they are both dumb book with mishivous personality and cocky boy and booksmart girl with bad temper

so i see both couples well balanced

harry and hermine never have that much tension and it was more shown in the movies then the book

but i do agre with wth when did harry started liking ginny, but at least she had more devlopment then hinata

so dont give up narusaku

just keep reading

Edited by firegirl, 28 December 2009 - 05:33 PM.