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[Phantom_999]

He doesn't think the Juubi will revive because no one alive can kill it I'm assuming well I bet it will pop up eventually because its a crucial element to the plot and IF that does happen and Naruto loses the Kyuubi then He should have you know enough strength to beat down the Juubi I'm sick of that corny cliche where someone lacks the strength,skill etc. to win at something and then pulls off some miracle move! if they're going to win at least let it be because they they already have what they need to win not some lame cheap shot THAT's why I want Naruto to be strong without the Kyuubi so he can win because he had the potential to, not pull of some "miracle win" that is so abused its ANNOYING not meaning to sound negative but we've all seen that before, so yeah not saying Naruto is NOT strong I just want him to to Have a couple or more new kick a** techniques that he could do on his own with his own chakra and be able to use rasenshuriken without sage mode and so on and at the end he takes Kyuubi back or becomes the new jinchuriki for the juubi or whatever yeah thats what I meant not that he was weak or doesn't need Kyuubi

Edited by Phantom_999, 28 April 2011 - 12:14 AM.

[hothead]

Uh...so? Actually he DID beat it. And that has nothing to do with Juubi being revived so what's you point?

If he did beat the juubi please tell me in which chapter, because when Madara was telling everybody about the juubi, it was never stated that it was defeated, only sealed and then split into nine beings at the time of the sage's death leaving its body intact in the moon.

[Super Boom]

Fake is the wrong term for them.

Non-canonical would be the correct terminology.

Hmm, just thought I'd throw my own two cents in on this. A lot of shipping fans on all sides like to toss around non-canon moments from the anime and push them as fact. I hope I don't need to remind anyone of that Part 1 Bikochu Filler Arc that the NHers love. But keep in mind that all the characters in Naruto are Kishimoto's original creations, and from what I hear Japan has pretty strict copyright laws, so I doubt any of these fillers/OVA's would be made without his consent. But as to whether that consent is Kishimoto actually sitting on an advisory committee for the episode, or just stamping his sig on a legal document is pretty much debatable. I guess at the end of the day it's all about making more money.
Someone also mentioned Episode 74 of Shippuden earlier. I loved that episode for the huge NaruSaku moments, what with Sakura making soldier pills for Naruto and cheering him on, and then having a revelation in her room about her 'changing feelings', even recalling Yamato's unfinished sentence from a previous arc. I mean, obviously it's all filler, but there's a difference between a cute romantic moment and actually implying one character's actually falling in love with another one. I mean, in the manga it was more of a SasuSaku moment, and look how it changed. Personally, if NaruSaku doesn't happen for some crazy reason, I really hope someone gets fired or heavily reprimanded for that episode, lol.
The canonicity of that recent OVA's also debatable, though due to the content and the animation style, I feel it's a little more important than your average filler. I've also heard that Kishimoto helped produce it, although I don't want to push that theory without evidence, for fear of being in the same boat as a lot of the NaruHina fans out there...

[The Tax-Man]

If he did beat the juubi please tell me in which chapter, because when Madara was telling everybody about the juubi, it was never stated that it was defeated, only sealed and then split into nine beings at the time of the sage's death leaving its body intact in the moon.

It was obviously defeated. You can't seal a beast within you without defeating it first. Especially the Juubi. He became it's jinchuuriki and the split wasn't until long after, when he was at his deathbed. The sage was strong. BTW, defeating and overpowering are different things. No way he was stronger than the Juubi. Nothing can ever be. He just beat it. Just like Naruto beat the Kyuubi.

[hothead]

It was obviously defeated. You can't seal a beast within you without defeating it first. Especially the Juubi. He became it's jinchuuriki and the split wasn't until long after, when he was at his deathbed. The sage was strong. BTW, defeating and overpowering are different things. No way he was stronger than the Juubi. Nothing can ever be. He just beat it. Just like Naruto beat the Kyuubi.

Ok I agree with you saying that the sage isn't more powerful that the Juubi, but it doesn't have to be defeated to be sealed,it can be sealed if it was in a comatose state, or at least i think so...

[The Tax-Man]

Ok I agree with you saying that the sage isn't more powerful that the Juubi, but it doesn't have to be defeated to be sealed,it can be sealed if it was in a comatose state, or at least i think so...

Are you getting me here? Comatose means defeated. If he could knock it out, then he won.

[bthug]

Are you getting me here? Comatose means defeated. If he could knock it out, then he won.

Can we stick to Narusaku plz lol =)

[hothead]

Are you getting me here? Comatose means defeated. If he could knock it out, then he won.

ok man you got me!
And I think bthug i s right we shouldn't go off topic anymore, whatever kishi is planning I'm sure will live up to all our expectations!

[lelouch the lord]

question. if sakura feels guilty for what she has done to naruto, would that be helpful to the pairing or hurtful? I only ask this because it could hurt it because she could only be with him out of guilt. just curious.

[Super Boom]

question. if sakura feels guilty for what she has done to naruto, would that be helpful to the pairing or hurtful? I only ask this because it could hurt it because she could only be with him out of guilt. just curious.

Well, she feels guilty, but I don't see how she could only be with him out of guilt. Previous development has more or less implied that she has developed feelings for Naruto. Besides, the reason she feels so guilty in the first place is because of how close they are. So in a sense, guilt is helping her realize her own true feelings.

Sorry if that doesn't make sense.

[ShippudenGirl]

Are you getting me here? Comatose means defeated. If he could knock it out, then he won.

Just a quick response: If I remember correctly, you don't have to "defeat" 'em to seal 'em. I mean, look back to when Minato was attempting to seal the Kyūbi within Naruto, he was the one with a claw through his torso. I think it is more of a matter if they can keep them still long enough, I suppose. Also, we have little to no facts about anything on the Jūbi, it's all basically speculation and theories. I could be misinterpreting what you are trying to say, though. If a person can perform a seal strong enough to, well, seal the demon their good; if they can get a seal on them.

[The Tax-Man]

Just a quick response: If I remember correctly, you don't have to "defeat" 'em to seal 'em. I mean, look back to when Minato was attempting to seal the Kyūbi within Naruto, he was the one with a claw through his torso. I think it is more of a matter if they can keep them still long enough, I suppose. Also, we have little to no facts about anything on the Jūbi, it's all basically speculation and theories. I could be misinterpreting what you are trying to say, though. If a person can perform a seal strong enough to, well, seal the demon their good; if they can get a seal on them.

I meant you have to make them weak enough to seal. Kyuubi just came out of a seal when Minato did it. Plus it was under Madara's genjutsu. It's not about being still. If it's focusing it's chakra on getting out, you're screwed. You have to overpower a chakra to seal it, obviously, whether you knocked it out of it's under a genjutsu. I'm getting this from Hiruzen. He didn't have enough chakra and Orochimaru was trying to not get sealed, so he couldn't totally do it. But yeah it's all theories and I should stop before I get a warning or something for being off topic.

[Yoshimoya]

I love your post Paptala, but i don't agree about only one thing.
You know about this time when Sakura healed Hinata : i really don't think she's upset about Hinata loving Naruto.
I think she's just touched by what Hinata have done.
Neji asked why she've done such a fool act, and just after, the panel switch to Sakura, thinking that : " Hinata... Naruto no kotto...." Which means : " Hinata... about Naruto..." and it's implied she's thinking that Hinata have done this because she must love Naruto. She understand so well what she have done, because she appeared to have done the same several times for Sasuke and Naruto.

I'm sorry if my english is no good ^^'

The look on Sakura's face was of regret/sorrow/pity/sadness. She was concerned for hinata's well being, but instead of saying something like "hinata you overdid it... poor girl" she said "hinata... you loved... naruto"

thus resulting in her thinking, "am I worthy of his love?" "if i do love him would it be right?"

Yes, she was touched, but the main factor was her concern for hinata loving naruto and she compares it with her own. resulting in the sorrowful face.

[Rikudo Sennin]

Umm guys... about the juubi thing, i hardly doubt it will be revived, for one reason, We all know how powerful the Rikudo Sennin was and not even he could defeat it thats why he sealed it inside him, I know Naruto is strong but he is nowhere near the Rikudo Sennin's level...

Tax-man is correct, it wasn't about killing the Juubi, no tailed beast can ever really be killed. They are immortal and would just be reborn after a while as Kushina/Minato explained this when they were trying to reseal the fox into a dying Kushina. And it's not as if it's that easy to seal up a tailed beast, as we saw in the manga, many villages had trouble containing their tailed beast after having received it from the 1st hokage. The fact that RS became the first jin to the most powerful tailed beast tells us how masterful he was with his sealing tech(again implying that RS was an Uzumaki), the same seal Naruto used and that the 9tails recongized as being RS's.
I think the tailed beast by the end of the story would either have to be remade into 1 and Naruto becomes its jin or they might be purified and become good demons like the hachiba. The latter i find unlikely because we've seen so many villages take advantage of their tailed beast and it's jin to destroy. I think Naruto will take away all the tailed beast so they can no longer be misused, the only thing i can't figure out is what will Naruto do with the Juubi when he's on his deathbed.
And don't forget, RS was very powerful but it was only after becoming the jin of the Juubi that he became god-like. It's the number 1 reason why Madara wants to be Juubi's jin. Both Madara and Naruto are heading into the direction of becoming RS, the only difference is Madara is doing it the unnatural,scientific way driven by hatred and the quest for power. While Naruto is doing it the natural way, he's not even aware that he'll become the next RS, simply letting love guide him and it's exactly that love that will have him become the next true RS. Every person that loved him and has died believes him to be the child of prophecy, Minato,Kushina,Jiraiya,ect.

question. if sakura feels guilty for what she has done to naruto, would that be helpful to the pairing or hurtful? I only ask this because it could hurt it because she could only be with him out of guilt. just curious.

She feels guilty for the promise of a lifetime and how much it hurt Naruto. She was even willing to have Naruto hate her and kill Sasuke behind his back. That shows us how selfless Sakura's love for Naruto is. I do think some of Sai's words were bullsh** as him saying that it was because Sakura loved Sasuke so much that she was willing to kill him as to not see him go down such a dark path. Sai is quite perceptive, but he totally got that wrong which is to be expected because Sai was not really part of the group for a long time.
As for Sakura being with Naruto out of guilt? No way, Sakura is not that kind of person. If she chooses to be with Naruto then it will be because it's what she wants.
I just reread tome 52 yesterday which has the final confrontation between team 7 before Naruto heads out to train with B. And i simply love Sakura in it, just like in the past Sasuke insults Naruto in a cruel way, claiming that Naruto has no understanding of the pain Sasuke feels because Naruto doesn't have a family. Except this time, Sakura is there and she with much anger towards Sasuke defends Naruto, now that is sticking up for your man .

[bthug]

Now I wonder if we will get a lot more Narusaku moments, I hope we do what do you think?
Also some people say that Narusaku will become canon, what exactly does that mean?
Does that mean Naruto will become kind of like a romantic story? Do you think the show would continue even after the saskue thing is over?

[ciardha]

She feels guilty for the promise of a lifetime and how much it hurt Naruto. She was even willing to have Naruto hate her and kill Sasuke behind his back. That shows us how selfless Sakura's love for Naruto is. I do think some of Sai's words were bullsh** as him saying that it was because Sakura loved Sasuke so much that she was willing to kill him as to not see him go down such a dark path. Sai is quite perceptive, but he totally got that wrong which is to be expected because Sai was not really part of the group for a long time.
As for Sakura being with Naruto out of guilt? No way, Sakura is not that kind of person. If she chooses to be with Naruto then it will be because it's what she wants.
I just reread tome 52 yesterday which has the final confrontation between team 7 before Naruto heads out to train with B. And i simply love Sakura in it, just like in the past Sasuke insults Naruto in a cruel way, claiming that Naruto has no understanding of the pain Sasuke feels because Naruto doesn't have a family. Except this time, Sakura is there and she with much anger towards Sasuke defends Naruto, now that is sticking up for your man .

Thank you, that's how almost all of it reads to me as well. The bit about Sakura's having loved Sasuke, etc.. isn't bs though, it's all about the power of memory and emotional bonds. Look at the Sanin as your key- their's is less complicated- Tsunade never was in love with Orochimaru and was the first one to break with Orochimaru emotionally- disliking and distrusting him long before he left Konoha. She exaggerates this a bit in her words (just like Sakura saying she had cut off any emotional bonds to Sasuke) saying she "never liked or trusted" Orochimaru. Look how many years Tsunade had to rid herself of any emotional bond to Orochiimaru, yet it takes her a week to come up with the plan to kill him and look what she does too (she tells no one of her plan and knocks out just about anyone with her that she cares about). Tsunade is usually pretty confident in her actions, but there she just looks grim. When Orochimaru is finally killed, Jiraiya and Tsunade both mourn him, and Tsunade speaks positively about him from when they were all Genin.

Kishimoto also showed for all of Orochimaru's sick and evil actions, he still retained an emotional bond to Tsunade- he cries out in anguish of a betrayal when he discovers Tsunade was planning on killing not healing him, he declares he never wanted to kill her during the battle, and even warns her about the danger Naruto poses in the future because of being the Kyuubi's host. He makes a claim he still wants to destroy Konoha, but it's an empty threat. Tsunade being Hokage doesn't offend him, he leaves Konoha alone once he has Sasuke (which he already wanted for his immortality jutsu) and in fact decides Konoha is something of an ally to him, at least the part that is connected to Tsunade. He even saves Naruto and Sakura from Sasuke. This is meant to show, like Madara, Sasuke is even more evil than Orochimaru in his heart, if not yet in deed. Orochimaru never made an effort to fully severed his emotional bond to Tsunade. In his sick way he still liked and respected her.

Edited by ciardha, 28 April 2011 - 01:55 PM.

[Living Lavish]

I love your post Paptala, but i don't agree about only one thing.
You know about this time when Sakura healed Hinata : i really don't think she's upset about Hinata loving Naruto.
I think she's just touched by what Hinata have done.
Neji asked why she've done such a fool act, and just after, the panel switch to Sakura, thinking that : " Hinata... Naruto no kotto...." Which means : " Hinata... about Naruto..." and it's implied she's thinking that Hinata have done this because she must love Naruto. She understand so well what she have done, because she appeared to have done the same several times for Sasuke and Naruto.

I'm sorry if my english is no good ^^'

what the hell you talking about? she was upset and CLEARLY BOTHERED by it! look at her face! what she said was ''Hinata...you for..Naruto''
her face was full of sadness. when Neji asked that question Sakura figured it out thought of Naruto and it hit a nerve. it upset her!! because Sakura has these strong feelings for Naruto too.

[Rikudo Sennin]

Thank you, that's how almost all of it reads to me as well. The bit about Sakura's having loved Sasuke, etc.. isn't bs though, it's all about the power of memory and emotional bonds. Look at the Sanin as your key- their's is less complicated- Tsunade never was in love with Orochimaru and was the first one to break with Orochimaru emotionally- disliking and distrusting him long before he left Konoha. She exaggerates this a bit in her words (just like Sakura saying she had cut off any emotional bonds to Sasuke) saying she "never liked or trusted" Orochimaru. Look how many years Tsunade had to rid herself of any emotional bond to Orochiimaru, yet it takes her a week to come up with the plan to kill him and look what she does too (she tells no one of her plan and knocks out just about anyone with her that she cares about). Tsunade is usually pretty confident in her actions, but there she just looks grim. When Orochimaru is finally killed, Jiraiya and Tsunade both mourn him, and Tsunade speaks positively about him from when they were all Genin.

Kishimoto also showed for all of Orochimaru's sick and evil actions, he still retained an emotional bond to Tsunade- he cries out in anguish of a betrayal when he discovers Tsunade was planning on killing not healing him, he declares he never wanted to kill her during the battle, and even warns her about the danger Naruto poses in the future because of being the Kyuubi's host. He makes a claim he still wants to destroy Konoha, but it's an empty threat. Tsunade being Hokage doesn't offend him, he leaves Konoha alone once he has Sasuke (which he already wanted for his immortality jutsu) and in fact decides Konoha is something of an ally to him, at least the part that is connected to Tsunade. He even saves Naruto and Sakura from Sasuke. This is meant to show, like Madara, Sasuke is even more evil than Orochimaru in his heart, if not yet in deed. Orochimaru never made an effort to fully severed his emotional bond to Tsunade. In his sick way he still liked and respected her.

I agree Ciardha, about the loving part i think it's just a misunderstanding. I don't doubt that Sakura still loves Sasuke but not that it's romantic in nature. The love is based on as you say friendship,bonds. It's that what stopped her from killing him when she had the chance(remembering the past and the team's bond). The part i was disagreeing with is when Naruto says that Sakura would never do that(kill Sasuke) because she loves him. And Sai responding that it is precisely because she loves him so much that she wants to stop his descent into darkness by killing him. Now i know how Naruto meant it, he actually believes that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. I don't know how Sai meant it but most of Sakura's haters use that as proof that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. If that's the case then i disagree(with them). Also does anyone know where Kishi said that Sakura's confession was truthful?

Agreed about sannin, everyone of them was hurt by the severing of bonds. What is also important to remember is that unlike team 7, they had a much longer stable relationship/bonds. What was it for team 7? A year or so of doing missions before Sasuke went rogue? Jiraiya,Oro and Tsunade were teammates for many years, theygrew up together, fought wars together, became famous together,ect.

[tricksie]

Thank you, that's how almost all of it reads to me as well. The bit about Sakura's having loved Sasuke, etc.. isn't bs though, it's all about the power of memory and emotional bonds. Look at the Sanin as your key- their's is less complicated-

Somewhere in these scenes, Kakashi make some mention too of understanding the Third Hokage's love for his student, even when he'd left the fold. So I agree, as the reader we are supposed to understand that Sakura's love is through her teammate bond, not a real love like she has for Naruto. The statement is there for the reader to connect the dots, otherwise (even though it's a nice sentiment for Kakashi) it's not really necessary for that part of the story. We would have just as much understanding of Kakashi's motivation without it. So it's meant to shed light on Sakura's motivation.

Yeah the motivations for Orochimaru are completely different from Sasuke's. But Sasuke has to be the ultimate evil to Naruto's ultimate good.

Agreed about sannin, everyone of them was hurt by the severing of bonds. What is also important to remember is that unlike team 7, they had a much longer stable relationship/bonds. What was it for team 7? A year or so of doing missions before Sasuke went rogue? Jiraiya,Oro and Tsunade were teammates for many years, theygrew up together, fought wars together, became famous together,ect.

Yeah, and the same for Yahiko/Konan/Nagato. They had a more adult bond than Team 7. It would have been more realistic to give Team 7 more time to mature together, and more missions to go on. And I definitely think this is why the stupid anime fillers keep going back to that. But, then again, Kishimoto may not have been thinking these things 10-ish years ago when he started doing the manga. He may have needed to move the characters quickly into the drama, with less time together to mature.

I'd love to see an interview where they ask him 10+ years on what he'd do differently, other tangents he'd explore, characters he'd change or add or drop, and which he's very pleased with.

Edited by tricksie, 28 April 2011 - 05:16 PM.

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@Rikudo Sennin

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