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#2781 Yoshimoya

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 05:36 AM

QUOTE (Nate River @ Apr 27 2011, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know....

The hate against Akane is almost legendary. I think it probably set the bar for hate against tsundere characters. There is plenty of Kagome hate; Naru too. If you take into account fandom size and series popularity, I thought Naru-bashers were some of the more frequent offenders.

Anyway, all the characters you mentioned are routinely ripped for their treatment of the main character.


I'm reading Love Hina right now ^.^ so good. addicted 0.0

But I really don't understand that, tsundere characters are hated so much! I actually love them, they are fun and real with the main characters. People needa sense of humour or something... seriously, are their brains just wired differently?

I admit I disliked Sakura somewhat a lot in part I, but she's absolutely my favorite anime girl EVER. I love her she's awesome. Seeing people hate her at this point in the manga, holy crap... grow up people.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 07:51 AM

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and and as naruto-z suggested what if Kishimoto is planning on having the Juubi appear by having all nine Bijuu extracted what would Naruto do then hmm,hmm?

And if Juubi appear who the hell will defeat it? Half-dead Naruto? Naruto wont have any time for training during war. Revivng the Juubi = Madara winning a war, everyone trapped in his genjutsu. I dont think thats what Kishimoto is planning for us.

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Would be pretty weak without Kyuubi wouldn't he?

No, he would still be Kage-level shinobi with Sage Mode.

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I WANT him to be strong as a ninja

He was strong before taking control of Kyuubis power.

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And Kyuubi is a part of Naruto. He CAN'T be stripped of it now. Your argument is like I said, cliched and unrealistic. Kyuubi is a part of him and therefore it's his own power since HE controlled it.

Excacly. Kyuubi is just part of Naruto power, just like Sharingan is part of power of Uchiha.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 08:16 AM

QUOTE (Yoshimoya @ Apr 27 2011, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm reading Love Hina right now ^.^ so good. addicted 0.0

But I really don't understand that, tsundere characters are hated so much! I actually love them, they are fun and real with the main characters. People needa sense of humour or something... seriously, are their brains just wired differently?

I admit I disliked Sakura somewhat a lot in part I, but she's absolutely my favorite anime girl EVER. I love her she's awesome. Seeing people hate her at this point in the manga, holy crap... grow up people.


My exact sentiments. I totally hated Sakura during the whole of part 1. I thought she was the most useless character ever and hence rooted for NH. But wow Kishi had something planned all along. I started to like her more as part 2 progresses with how much she had grown and becoming an awesome ninja worthy of being Tsunade's successor. Very much like how Sakura hated Naruto in part 1 and started to develop strong feelings for Naruto in part 2. I'm a sucker for "hate you at first, love you alot later" characters. Ah kishi's a genius I hope he won't disappoint us and make NS happen.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 09:09 AM

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But aren't we off topic anyway?


Aren't we always? tongue.gif This is turning pretty much into a multifunctional discussion thread.

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But I really don't understand that, tsundere characters are hated so much! I actually love them, they are fun and real with the main characters. People needa sense of humour or something... seriously, are their brains just wired differently?


Beats me, but remember mangas are primarily written for Japan. People there happen to love tsunderes so of course authors will write female characters that way. It's a different culture, they also have their special sense of humor other people mostly don't understand. I have to say tsunderes are a bit harsh for my taste but I got used to them.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 10:41 AM

Hello all,

A long time manga reader, recently checked out some boards. Gotta say i was really suprised by how much hate some characters especially Sakura get. I think it's like Kim said that a lot of the western(US/UK mostly) fanbase simply do not get japanese storytelling via manga.
I quite like Sakura, it's only really in part 2 that Kishi started to seriously develop her. And i don't think there was anything wrong with her crush on Sasuke in part 1. If everyone already knew everything about themselves then there would be no point in growing up. We learn and we evolve, i don't believe there are any 12year olds that know all the answers. What you might find to be the truth now does not mean you will still believe it to be 10 y in the future. Naruto is a good example of this, in the last confrontation with Sasuke he told us that in hindsight he felt bad because in his mind he felt he made Sasuke his rival back then instead of trying to simply be his supportive friend. Same for Sakura, at the time that she made Naruto promise her to bring Sasuke back she thought that was the only thing she cared for. Now that she's growing up she realized how badly it hurt Naruto and continued to do so.

About the Juubi being possibly ressurected. Yeah, i think it's very likely. For that to happen Naruto would most likely lose the nine-tails. But obviously not it's power as Kushina stated that it would forever be his once taken. Kin Gin bro's are a good example of this, they only ate the 9tails flesh and they continued to still have some of it's power. Kushina's death was also shown i believe to make it clear that only Naruto being an Uzumaki can survive the extraction.
As for why i think this will happen, simply because the threat needs to be bigger then ever. And you can't get much bigger then a Madara in control of Juubi. And no Madara would not be invincible, don't forget that RS defeated Juubi without Juubi's power yet as Madara said RS only became godlike after becoming the Juubi's jin. So it's very likely that RS only defeated Juubi with his own power and the rinnengan.
Thus i think it's a fair trade off if it will be Naruto(with perfect jin body + maybe rinnengan(Sasuke's ems in uzumaki body might transform it) vs Madara +Juubi. It would sort of be a re-enactment of the Minato vs Madara+9tails fight, except on a much bigger scale. It is looking very likely that Naruto will be the true reincarnation of RS, everthing including Naruto's plan to aquire true peace, child of prophecy, Rikodu seal(hinting that RS might have been an Uzumaki) has been foreshadowing of this.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 12:28 PM

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Wow your explanation of the revival of jubi is the best. I agree the reason jubi will be resurrected is because that would be the biggest threat to the shinobi world and this story would tell how they overcomed it. By defeating Madara only, I don't really feel the epicness in that. The jubi's revival is like the ultimate calamity that naruto's world can face and it being a reality would be a really epic story. On how they defeat it we'll rely on Kishi to come up with the best ending.

Anyway isn't RS's sons ancestors to uchiha and senju, and uzimaki being a sibling clan of senju? Meaning RS is essentially the "Adam" of the powerful shinobi clans, all originating from him.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 02:34 PM

QUOTE (Darth Krypt @ Apr 27 2011, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@RS
Wow your explanation of the revival of jubi is the best. I agree the reason jubi will be resurrected is because that would be the biggest threat to the shinobi world and this story would tell how they overcomed it. By defeating Madara only, I don't really feel the epicness in that. The jubi's revival is like the ultimate calamity that naruto's world can face and it being a reality would be a really epic story. On how they defeat it we'll rely on Kishi to come up with the best ending.

Anyway isn't RS's sons ancestors to uchiha and senju, and uzimaki being a sibling clan of senju? Meaning RS is essentially the "Adam" of the powerful shinobi clans, all originating from him.

Thanks DK, and don't forget it's not a rehash of what RS had to overcome. Because of Madara being in control of the juubi the threat will be much larger. And i have no doubt that the only person that will be able to overcome this threat is Naruto, which will rally everyone behind him. Think of his Konoha celebration except on a much larger scale. It's that what is needed for Naruto to be able to change the whole ninja system which is the root of all the problems, Naruto will break the cycle of hatred by uniting everyone behind him. That's why i don't think Naruto will simply become hokage, eversince part 2 the title Hokage has been downgraded severly. We've seen corrupt,evil,misguided,ect kages. No kage of any village has ever been able to do what Naruto plans to do, that's why i believe Naruto will become the Fourth and true RS. As Madara said, he Madara was the second, Nagato was the third. I hope we are not close to the end as there is still so much more we need to see. I love mangas that last long and we see the characters grow and evolve.

So far it's revealed that Uchiha clan's origins come from the older son of RS that received his eyes and believed power was the way to true peace. And Senju clan's origins come from the younger son of RS that received his body and believed love was the way to true peace. We know very little of the Uzumaki's and i think we'll learn a lot more in the future. What we do know is that they were feared for their fuinjutsu(sealing techs) and eventually was the cause for the clan's demise as they were destroyed. Uzumaki's possess incredible longevity,lifeforce. It's why Kushina was able to survive the extraction(after just giving birth!). We know the last 3 jins of the 9tails were Uzumakis. We know that the 9 tails(excluding juubi) is by far the most powerful. And that Kumo even attempted to kidnap Kushina for her special chakra. This all leads me to believe that Naruto might end up being the jin of the juubi after Madara is defeated. And that in all likely hood RS was also an Uzumaki. RS is the ancestor,Adam as you said that preached and explained how chakra works. His purpose for it was find peace, instead people used it hurt,fight one another and that was how ninjutsu was born. Also the 9 tails reconigzing Naruto's new sealing tech and calling it Rikudo's...!!! again connects Uzumaki to RS. And Nagato who was an Uzumaki having the rinnengan. This makes me believe that it is impossible for the Uzumaki clan to simply be a sideclan of Senju because the Senju only got the body power of the sage. Either implying the Uzumaki's are also connected to Uchiha clan or it was RS's clan of origin. The latter being more likely as RS became the jin of the most powerful tailed beast, RS skills with seal techs must have already been extraordinary. We've seen how diffecult all the villages had it in trying to control their tailed beasts.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 05:47 PM

Just felt like throwing in another Narusaku moment, one that i feel is underrated.
It's in the first episode of shippuden, when Sakura blushes a couple of times when thinking about Naruto and how much he has changed. Also she said she missed the old Naruto
but is happy of the way he turned out. She also asks him if she looks more womanly and blushes. And Naruto being Naruto said of course not. Jiraiya was like o brother could it be more obvious. Also as soon as Naruto was about to do his sexy jutsu she punched him and grabbed and said we haven't seen each other for two years and this is how you treat me how do you think that makes me feel. AWWWWWWWWW <3333

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:11 PM

QUOTE (bthug @ Apr 28 2011, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just felt like throwing in another Narusaku moment, one that i feel is underrated.
It's in the first episode of shippuden, when Sakura blushes a couple of times when thinking about Naruto and how much he has changed. Also she said she missed the old Naruto
but is happy of the way he turned out. She also asks him if she looks more womanly and blushes. And Naruto being Naruto said of course not. Jiraiya was like o brother could it be more obvious. Also as soon as Naruto was about to do his sexy jutsu she punched him and grabbed and said we haven't seen each other for two years and this is how you treat me how do you think that makes me feel. AWWWWWWWWW <3333


That moment was no way underrated by us NS fans in H&E. We all know that is the first real NS moment where we see Sakura flirting back with Naruto for the first time. I don't know about other fans of pairings, probably just deny it, but I was NH during that moment and I was like "kitten Naruto, you actually got a change dawggg!"
Anyway that was so random throwing out that moment here. laugh.gif

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:27 PM

QUOTE (Darth Krypt @ Apr 27 2011, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That moment was no way underrated by us NS fans in H&E. We all know that is the first real NS moment where we see Sakura flirting back with Naruto for the first time. I don't know about other fans of pairings, probably just deny it, but I was NH during that moment and I was like "kitten Naruto, you actually got a change dawggg!"
Anyway that was so random throwing out that moment here. laugh.gif

Lol yea it was underrated for me just cause I forgot about it, and I like just seeing and talking about the Narusaku moments.

Also has anyone seen this http://www.youtube.c...p;feature=inbox
I've been trying to figure out if its cannon? If its a movie cause it looks like one? And If it is after chapter 469?

I also just found this
its a sweet Narusaku ending

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:45 PM

QUOTE (bthug @ Apr 28 2011, 03:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol yea it was underrated for me just cause I forgot about it, and I like just seeing and talking about the Narusaku moments.

Also has anyone seen this http://www.youtube.c...p;feature=inbox
I've been trying to figure out if its cannon? If its a movie cause it looks like one? And If it is after chapter 469?

I also just found this
its a sweet Narusaku ending

The first one is an NARUTO X Uniqlo (clothing japanese company) OVA. With some NaruSaku fan-service.
While the second vid is an alternative version of NARUTO: Shippuden 17th ED (NS fanservice again), but from what I heard, it was some sort of dedication for the victims of the earthquake and tsunami.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 08:13 PM

QUOTE (The Tax-Man @ Apr 27 2011, 04:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To think about it I didn't make much sense. Well I was half asleep so... rolleyes.gif

What I meant was that he IS strong on his own. But I think you said he would have it extracted and that's what I was going on about. Meh. You're saying now that he needs to be strong on his own and I'm sayin' no s**t. That's the whole point. He WILL train more in the future but he must grow as a Jinchuuriki too. Pretty much what Omega said. Forgive my half-asleep tired mind. tongue.gif


Oh thats what you meant Yeah I know he must grow as a jinchuriki too I'm for that for sure really part of the story is control the Kyuubi's chakra and prove he's not a monster or threat to the village and it is his own strength
Yeah sorry if I seemed harsh it just seemed you were against the idea of him developing his own powers

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 09:21 PM

QUOTE (Turson @ Apr 27 2011, 01:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And if Juubi appear who the hell will defeat it? Half-dead Naruto? Naruto wont have any time for training during war. Revivng the Juubi = Madara winning a war, everyone trapped in his genjutsu. I dont think thats what Kishimoto is planning for us.


No, he would still be Kage-level shinobi with Sage Mode.


He was strong before taking control of Kyuubis power.


Excacly. Kyuubi is just part of Naruto power, just like Sharingan is part of power of Uchiha.



^ What I was trying to say. That's the big problem I see with this. That would be unnecessary. But the revival could happen another way, somehow.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 09:50 PM

QUOTE (Outou @ Apr 27 2011, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The first one is an NARUTO X Uniqlo (clothing japanese company) OVA. With some NaruSaku fan-service.
While the second vid is an alternative version of NARUTO: Shippuden 17th ED (NS fanservice again), but from what I heard, it was some sort of dedication for the victims of the earthquake and tsunami.

Oh so your telling me both are fake?
Dammit they were so good, especially the ova one...that was hot.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 10:03 PM

QUOTE (bthug @ Apr 27 2011, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh so your telling me both are fake?
Dammit they were so good, especially the ova one...that was hot.


All OVA and fillers are fake...

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 10:06 PM

Fake is the wrong term for them.

Non-canonical would be the correct terminology.
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 10:21 PM

QUOTE (catsi563 @ Apr 27 2011, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fake is the wrong term for them.

Non-canonical would be the correct terminology.

Either way it would have been an amazing Narusaku moment. Too bad maybe something like that will actually happen.
So does anyone else think we might get a Narusaku moment?
I sure do hope so.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 10:38 PM

I love your post Paptala, but i don't agree about only one thing.
You know about this time when Sakura healed Hinata : i really don't think she's upset about Hinata loving Naruto.
I think she's just touched by what Hinata have done.
Neji asked why she've done such a fool act, and just after, the panel switch to Sakura, thinking that : " Hinata... Naruto no kotto...." Which means : " Hinata... about Naruto..." and it's implied she's thinking that Hinata have done this because she must love Naruto. She understand so well what she have done, because she appeared to have done the same several times for Sasuke and Naruto.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 11:05 PM

Umm guys... about the juubi thing, i hardly doubt it will be revived, for one reason, We all know how powerful the Rikudo Sennin was and not even he could defeat it thats why he sealed it inside him, I know Naruto is strong but he is nowhere near the Rikudo Sennin's level...
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 11:12 PM

QUOTE (hothead @ Apr 27 2011, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Umm guys... about the juubi thing, i hardly doubt it will be revived, for one reason, We all know how powerful the Rikudo Sennin was and not even he could defeat it thats why he sealed it inside him, I know Naruto is strong but he is nowhere near the Rikudo Sennin's level...


Uh...so? Actually he DID beat it. And that has nothing to do with Juubi being revived so what's you point?

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