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[MelisaArtemis]

Hmm... where should I start...

Sakura lying in her confession to Naruto is basically fan interpretation, its not confirmed in the manga (yet?) and therefore mood point. Lets just leave it at that.

Sakura's confession to Sasuke in part one, emotional as it was was something that she did out of selfish desire for herself. Not the village, not for Sasuke, only herself. In the other hand, her confession to Naruto was done out of the concern for anyone but her own. Which 1 is the better one? you choose.

Now... Sakura's feeling to both Sasuke and Naruto is clearly there: She care about both of them. Which 1 is more important for her? I honestly don't know. I think her action right now and her decision to kill Sasuke is her attempt to kill two birds with one stone: 1. Prevent Sasuke from going into darkness that he can't get out of and 2. Prevent Naruto from hurting anymore. Is it a good decision? I like to think its not. It does seem like a decision that she took in a hurry at first glance but considering the effort and determination, I have to think that its something that she has taken careful planning into.

Edited by MelisaArtemis, 26 December 2009 - 01:20 AM.

[firegirl]

Hmm... where should I start...

Sakura lying in her confession to Naruto is basically fan interpretation, its not confirmed in the manga (yet?) and therefore mood point. Lets just leave it at that.

Sakura's confession to Sasuke in part one, emotional as it was was something that she did out of selfish desire for herself. Not the village, not for Sasuke, only herself. In the other hand, her confession to Naruto was done out of the concern for anyone but her own. Which 1 is the better one? you choose.

lol i know what i would choose ok i got another one speaking how honust sakura confession to sasuke and hinata confession to naruto so really what to say seems like everyone dosent look at the big picture of these two confesions? hes a qoute from guy i am debating

I'm sorry but did we read the same manga? You honestly think with that face she was truthful about "loving" Naruto and about being over Sasuke? She had to "confess" if Naruto ever had a chance of giving up on Sasuke, obviously not even Sakura herself believed that so she knew she was going to have to keep quiet about the decision to kill Sasuke with her own hands anyway. Her face said it all...did you see Hinata when she confessed to Naruto? Now that's an honest confession...Sakura's confession to Sasuke before he left Konoha another good example. Do you see the difference? It wasn't only Naruto who noticed, Kakashi, Kiba and Yamato did as well, the only one who believed it was Lee (but it's Lee we're talking about so it's not surprising). I don't know maybe it's just me but if she had been honest then the least she could've done was look him straight in the eye but she couldn't even do that. Sakura isn't terrible at lying it's just that Naruto knows her too well for her to lie to him.

I already said that her deciding to kill Sasuke was proof that she really loves him. I also agree that the fact that Kishi said Sakura still "loves" Sasuke doesn't necessarily mean she loves him as a man but not only friends and family kill loved ones...I can't come up with other examples right now but if you ever saw X-Men the movies and especially the 3rd one it's kind of like the same thing when Logan killed Jean (main difference being that Logan WAS capable of doing it). IMO it's the same thing, if she cares for him then kill him because so far there's no way of saving him from hurting himself and others...not everyone can be as determined and optimistic as Naruto. All this time Sakura has unconsciously relied on Naruto sticking up for Sasuke in front of everyone and giving HER hope that he can be saved but with Sai making her realize how much Naruto was hurting himself because of that I don't see what else she could do.

i dont know why hese using an american comic movie as an example if this is japanses manga?

Edited by firegirl, 26 December 2009 - 01:32 AM.

[MelisaArtemis]

The only difference between the two confession he told us about: Hinata and Part 1 Sakura against Sakura's confession to Naruto was this: The person saying it was completely emotional during the situation. This is completely opposed to Sakura's confession to Naruto where she was shown very calm with near complete control over her emotion. Now, while emotion during confession is good and all but going there in tears and ready to die isn't. If anything, Sakura's confession to Naruto is the one that I think as the better confession compared to the other two: Emotional but calm.

Now, Here's the first hole in his argument: Naruto did NOT know she's lying, Naruto merely ASUUME she was lying. Wether or not she was is still a huge question mark that noone can answer other than Kishimoto.

Next, I have to ask how does Sakura decides to kill Sasuke equals to love? She cares about him deeply, I'll give it that much but love? not necessarily so. If anything its no different than how a someone decide to pull the plug of a life support for hospitalized family member, its anything but romantic.

Here's the next hole: Kishimoto saying "Sakura loves Sasuke" in the interview was added by the translator who happens to be a SasuSaku fan. The one translated by a neutral party doesn't have it ,merely implied and it remains vague.

Sakura's main reason of her action is her desire to protect Naruto, it just happens that Sasuke is one of the biggest contributor to it other than herself. I don't know where did he get the: Sakura relied on Sasuke sticking up for Sasuke and giving her hope because I honestly can't find it. The only thing I can find thats even remotely similar to it was when Sakura mentioned that she doesn't love Sasuke anymore but I view it as a means to make Naruto believe her confession was sincere. The only problem with that was that Naruto is the one that still clings to the past where he believed that Sakura was in love with Sasuke and Sasuke is still salvage-able, not Sakura.

[firegirl]

The only difference between the two confession he told us about: Hinata and Part 1 Sakura against Sakura's confession to Naruto was this: The person saying it was completely emotional during the situation. This is completely opposed to Sakura's confession to Naruto where she was shown very calm with near complete control over her emotion. Now, while emotion during confession is good and all but going there in tears and ready to die isn't. If anything, Sakura's confession to Naruto is the one that I think as the better confession compared to the other two: Emotional but calm.

Now, Here's the first hole in his argument: Naruto did NOT know she's lying, Naruto merely ASUUME she was lying. Wether or not she was is still a huge question mark that noone can answer other than Kishimoto.

Next, I have to ask how does Sakura decides to kill Sasuke equals to love? She cares about him deeply, I'll give it that much but love? not necessarily so. If anything its no different than how a someone decide to pull the plug of a life support for hospitalized family member, its anything but romantic.

Here's the next hole: Kishimoto saying "Sakura loves Sasuke" in the interview was added by the translator who happens to be a SasuSaku fan. The one translated by a neutral party doesn't have it ,merely implied and it remains vague.

Sakura's main reason of her action is her desire to protect Naruto, it just happens that Sasuke is one of the biggest contributor to it other than herself. I don't know where did he get the: Sakura relied on Sasuke sticking up for Sasuke and giving her hope because I honestly can't find it. The only thing I can find thats even remotely similar to it was when Sakura mentioned that she doesn't love Sasuke anymore but I view it as a means to make Naruto believe her confession was sincere. The only problem with that was that Naruto is the one that still clings to the past where he believed that Sakura was in love with Sasuke and Sasuke is still salvage-able, not Sakura.

thats exatly what i was trying to say but i think i did more then that i put more detales in it because i just want to get it though his thick scull jeez i thought people who are not into parings would be more understadable they are indeed are worse

[MelisaArtemis]

thats exatly what i was trying to say but i think i did more then that i put more detales in it because i just want to get it though his thick scull jeez i thought people who are not into parings would be more understadable they are indeed are worse

Fire, theres a difference between Neutrality and Respect. I personally prefer the second one, I prefer people who support non-Narusaku pairing but accepts the idea and Narusaku rather than those that claim to be "Neutral" because of 1 thing: "Neutral" is an extremely fragile position, they merely goes with the first person who can convince them. Acceptance is what I'm looking for in any opposing pairing fans in a debate.

[firegirl]

Fire, theres a difference between Neutrality and Respect. I personally prefer the second one, I prefer people who support non-Narusaku pairing but accepts the idea and Narusaku rather than those that claim to be "Neutral" because of 1 thing: "Neutral" is an extremely fragile position, they merely goes with the first person who can convince them. Acceptance is what I'm looking for in any opposing pairing fans in a debate.

hm i guess your right, wish they have more respect so what do you think about this qouat its atually funny

However, the one with Sasuke was A LOT more honest in my opinion. When she was screaming words like "I BEG YOU! PLEASE DON'T LEAVE ME!" ,I thought "Wow...Sakura...she really IS in love with Sasuke". She even wanted to go with him,TO BE with him... AT ANY COST...she even said that she would help him with his revenge. So basically, she's ready to do ANYTHING for him...and I REALLY don't see what's selfish about that...infact, that moment was really touching in my opinion.

its the last qoute i swear

[ciardha]

i dont know why hese using an american comic movie as an example if this is japanses manga?

Likely because that's the only thing he's ever seen with that plotline. Oh and if someone claims they have no interest in pairings yet shows up and debates and as evidence pulls out a pairing from another fandom- he's lying about not being interested in pairings.

So he wants to use western pop fiction examples? Let's look at in Buffy the Vampire Slayer how 17 year old Buffy was able to fight and win against Angel and send him to hell even though she loved him "so much (she) want(ed) to die" and her heartbreak was very fresh and she hadn't even begun to entertain a attraction to Spike yet. Angel had very recently gone completely evil and was wanting to destroy the world just out of hate for everything. Buffy is able to hold a calm resolve when she fights Angel and stabs him with the sword that sends him into the hell dimension gate he'd opened (closing the gate) with that same resolve.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Well, that quote is heavy. But like I said, Fire, I think Sakura said she wanted to go with Sasuke and help him in his revenge just because she might have felt desperate to want to stay by his side, considering she never got to know the real him, and Sasuke always seemed to never be honest, even when it seemed like he complimented her, such as in the start of the Chunin Exam when he complimented her on her skills in Genjutsu, when he likely did that just to keep moving due to how arrogant he'd been getting due to people wanting to fight him in the exams.

And as we've seen, when others thought of her as a dead weight, Naruto always believed in her. Someone said it best in the beginning; Sakura mostly held back when Sasuke was around and due to her feelings/crush on him... and how she wanted to NOT impress him and didn't even acknowledge his faults. One NaruSaku fic I read had said that one reason why Sakura always challenged what Naruto did was simply to try to garner favor with Sasuke, like any other girled if paired with him and Naruto would do, and also her assuming Naruto'd always be the reckless one and Sasuke'd always be the more cautious one. But we saw how she started to see them for who they truly are; Naruto as someone who'd never give up when driven into a tough spot, and Sasuke being an avenger, trying to prove the worth of his existence through battle, just to be ready to kill Itachi when the time came.

In the end, this isn't for either Naruto or Sasuke. It's for both of them. Sakura wants to protect Naruto from him and his allies in the Akatsuki, and she wants to save Sasuke from even further darkness. But we still are NOT sure of her feelings on Sasuke and how romantic they are. Even if Naruto seems to assume Sakura still madly loves Sasuke, when it's a different kind of love, thanks to her maturing quite a bit under Tsunade.

Bryon

[Cupcake-chan]

Lisa-chan, you have a point. I have to agee with you on the lie that Sakura told Naruto in her confession. I also understand that she's trying to "kill two birds with one stone". Have you guys ever thought that maybe she knows that she could die and that's why she is going to fight Sasuke? I mean by doing so she would be ending Naruto's pain. But hopefuly she won't comitt suicide. Hopefully she'll think before acting, something she didn't before her unexpected confession to Naruto.

[firegirl]

Lisa-chan, you have a point. I have to agee with you on the lie that Sakura told Naruto in her confession. I also understand that she's trying to "kill two birds with one stone". Have you guys ever thought that maybe she knows that she could die and that's why she is going to fight Sasuke? I mean by doing so she would be ending Naruto's pain. But hopefuly she won't comitt suicide. Hopefully she'll think before acting, something she didn't before her unexpected confession to Naruto.

geez i hope she dosent do that because thats very stupid of her and um well selfish

? does naruto and kakashi really know sakura, knows how she feels know how she thinks? because they seem to but i really dont think they do

Edited by firegirl, 26 December 2009 - 03:24 AM.

[Cupcake-chan]

WHO WROTE THIS!?!?

However, the one with Sasuke was A LOT more honest in my opinion. When she was screaming words like "I BEG YOU! PLEASE DON'T LEAVE ME!" ,I thought "Wow...Sakura...she really IS in love with Sasuke". She even wanted to go with him,TO BE with him... AT ANY COST...she even said that she would help him with his revenge. So basically, she's ready to do ANYTHING for him...and I REALLY don't see what's selfish about that...infact, that moment was really touching in my opinion.

There is no way Sakura said those things because she loved Sasuke. The descriptions above describe a desperite person, and that's how Sakura was when Sasuke was leaving. She begged, recalled memories and also offered to go with him. She did those things so that Sasuke wouldn't go with Orochimaru. In the end, everything she said was useless because all Sasuke did was thank her and then knock her out. She might have loved him in the past, but the feeling were one sided and would never be returned.

[Tyliout]

^ I really wonder why some people try to think that Sakura confession to Sasuke was made out of anything other that desperation (damn i even got a NTC named "desperate attempt" with a picture of part one Sakura crying during her Confession to sasuke. )

Now is there also something in the lastest event that as forced Sakura to confess to Naruto yeah i think there is but if i have to make a choice between Part one confession where she seem like (IMO) she was forcing herself to say it and Sakura confession to Naruto with her embarrassed face i'll choose the later everytime.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Lisa-chan, you have a point. I have to agee with you on the lie that Sakura told Naruto in her confession. I also understand that she's trying to "kill two birds with one stone". Have you guys ever thought that maybe she knows that she could die and that's why she is going to fight Sasuke? I mean by doing so she would be ending Naruto's pain.

I think I am starting to be confused with Sakura Are all teenage girls like that? If that is I agree to what she said about "a girl's heart is like an autumn sky".
To some extent,
Comparing to the two confession she gave, both are rejected.
The first one was made out of desperate, selfish factors and the second one aiming for unselfish and "killing the two birds in one stone".. but the conclusion there that they are both rejected.
Now the lying part as what i understand, is that because Naruto was enraged of the confession and telling Sakura, she is lying to herself and thus indeed it can be interpreted she is lying. But the missing piece there, in making that decision she stated "she will not make anymore mistakes." Prior to this, if we listen to the words she spoke to Naruto, it is calm and assured. Unlike her confession to Sasuke which ended, she was hurt by Sasuke.
OVERALL, we still need for Sakura POV. Kishi said she will be more heroine. Let us see what he is talking about

But hopefuly she won't comitt suicide. Hopefully she'll think before acting, something she didn't before her unexpected confession to Naruto.

If she commit suicide, then she gave up everything which contradicts to Naruto influence over here. and thus stating the fact she indeed died because she love Naruto and her love for Sasuke. but what now it seems, if we connect it tot the interview, she will die in vain. Sasuke will continue to be more evil, and Naruto will continue his training, with most of his hardwork.

Edited by pinkheartsyellowstars, 26 December 2009 - 07:09 AM.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Why would she commit Suicide?

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 26 December 2009 - 07:15 AM.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

..^ I am not forgetting the point, that Sakura has MATURED. When Sai told her about the feelings of Naruto, and had make a decision, HER MATURITY can be seen, compared to Naruto who is still enslaved by the fact Sasuke can be saved etc..(before he hyperventilated)

Anyhow, I am just connecting the parts of what is a better confession of Sakura had made. In fact, to some extent they are both rejected (Kishi hates confession?)
and I would like to add, in some point Naruto was enraged to Sakura's confession basing on Values Dissonance again, Naruto is not out of his character to doubt any romantic feelings etc. I was in a debate recently with a NH fan because he is blaming Naruto not giving to much attention to Hinata and even he argue Naruto did not remember.

Then again, Naruto missing romantic cues is not out of character for him, especially considering that he did not realize Hinata had feelings for him until she told him in Chapter 437.

So my conclusion would be,
Connecting with this, I think it is a normal reaction of Naruto to Sakura's Confession. and I think Sakura really LOVE Naruto.(and kishi please stop trolling with us)

Edited by pinkheartsyellowstars, 26 December 2009 - 11:11 AM.

[firegirl]

it comes down to naruto haveing
to get his head out of his butt

lets just hope naruto can get it together before anything happens

anyway i found this hilerous qoute from and nh shipper aperntly this is what what ther all thinking

Isn't it clear that NS won't happen? I mean it was said 5 times n recent chapters that Sakura loves Sasuke, plus Kishi said it again in his interview, while also saying that she's not in love with Naruto at all. xD

Mix that in with Naruto's rejection, not thinking about his supposed 'feelings' for Sakura yet, and Hinata's confession. It just all seems too good to not realize.

Edited by firegirl, 26 December 2009 - 04:02 PM.

[RedDelicious]

i dont know why hese using an american comic movie as an example if this is japanses manga?

Especially X3. That had some truly horrific writing. What a waste of potential, built up in the first two movies.

Now, Here's the first hole in his argument: Naruto did NOT know she's lying, Naruto merely ASUUME she was lying. Wether or not she was is still a huge question mark that noone can answer other than Kishimoto.

Kishi gave a fairly convincing hint, in the next two chapters. Naruto thought she was kidding herself, because what she said opposed his worldview of her and Team 7 (which hadn't changed in three years). He has since found out that HIS viewpoint was wrong. Since his reason for thinking that she was "lying to herself" turned out to be wrong, we haven't found out yet if he changed his mind about what she said.

The descriptions above describe a desperite person, and that's how Sakura was when Sasuke was leaving. She begged, recalled memories and also offered to go with him. She did those things so that Sasuke wouldn't go with Orochimaru.

That is a wonderful summation of how I viewed it as well. If she went with Sasuke, it wouldn't have been to aid his quest for revenge, but to spend another 2 or 3 days nagging him NOT to go to Orochimaru.

She doesn't want Sasuke to die, she must love him!
She wants to kill Sasuke herself, she must love him!
Her original plan was to take Naruto back to the village with her, and not go after Sasuke at all. She must love Sasuke!

I was in a debate recently with a NH fan because he is blaming Naruto not giving to much attention to Hinata and even he argue Naruto did not remember.

For all we know, Naruto did try to find Hinata, but she was busy hiding/fainting. Again.

He should thank her. "Thank you for being the last bit of anguish that encouraged me to turn into the 6-tails fox. It was by pure luck that the beast didn't succeed in blowing up the village, so that everyone would have been dead instead of resurrected by Nagato. But the guilt from murdering my home would have been worth it, so you can get a confession off your chest in the middle of a battle."
(Sorry, I guess I went a little heavy on the snark.)