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[Rick (Bonta-kun)]

hmm, ill just copy my rant from my FF.net profile:

Things in Fan Fiction I Hate: I don't have anything against gay people, But I absolutely hate Yaoi. I read on Vesvius B's profile that there is about 20 pages of NaruSaku and over 87 pages of NaruSasu. That is way too much in my opinion especially when sasuke tried to KILL HIM!. I also hate Character bashing of anyone but sasuke (he deserves it most of the time) especially Sakura bashing. Everyone who hates her is because she was mean to Naruto before the time skip. Most people tend to forget the fact that sakura was a 12 year old girl, who was bullied when younger and wants to be popular, what better way is there then to build a infatuation with sasuke? also i think Naruto pre-timeskip was a pain in the ass as well, so its easy to be mean to him. Another thing is from the wave arc onwards sakura is becoming less mean towards him.

Things that kind of annoy me: I don't hate these things, but things that still piss me off are when writers have english words for the jutsus (Shadow Clone Jutsu) instead of the Japanese words (Kage Bunshin no Jutsu). I also dislike when they write the names western style (Naruto Uzumaki instead of Uzumaki Naruto). Bad Grammar and Spelling also pisses me off and i dont particularly like it when people put useless A/Ns in the middle of a story.

Edit: After looking at my hate list again, i decided i was probably really pissed off with sasuke when i wrote this and thus slightly unfair to him, reason i say this is because most of the time he probably doesnt deserve it, however i still dont care if a story has sasuke bashing, as long as it isnt too much.

[BlackLightning]

Things I hate in fanfictions:

1. the authors character gets into an the anime and become a super important character.
2. Yaoi
3. OOCs
4. Emo-Naruto
5. Crazy Crossovers (example: Naruto and Harry Potter or Naruto and Star Wars)
6. Uchiha Naruto + Super Sharingan
7. No imagination name for Male turned Female characters (example: Naruto - Naruco)
8. Female Sasuke and Itachi
9. Stupid crack humor (Example: Orochimaru with a school bus saves the day)
10. Super Strong 12 years old kicking major asses.

[Rick (Bonta-kun)]

9. Stupid crack humor (Example: Orochimaru with a school bus saves the day)

Have you honestly seen this before?

This sounds like the most idiotic fic ever lol

[One-Shot]

i hate fics that make haku into a girl just so they have someone to pair sasuke with...

i also hate fics when they make naruto into a superman type of character that is untouchable and never dies

and finally, i hate fics where they make sakura kill herself... its just so stupid, especialyl when they turn her into an emo and make her cut her wrist

[Strausenhat]

Things I hate in fanfictions:
9. Stupid crack humor (Example: Orochimaru with a school bus saves the day)

The more I read this, the more I see "Orochimaru taking large amounts of innocent young'uns around" and it makes me wonder whose day is he saving?

[One-Shot]

oh yeah also about the emo thing i said, i also hate when Naruto is emo (that spot is reserved for sasuke!) like the fic "Sorrow and Sadness", he acceidentally injured Sakura with a kunai, and then he stops sleeping and getting all depressed, then Sasuke and Sakura start dating and Naruto starts to cut himself because he wants to (quote) "punish myslef for being jealous" (unquote) and in the end he dies cause of it (and in case you dont know, thats how emos die, NARUTO'S NOT EMO!)

im not gonna do 1 of these for every character so i'll just say it now, no one in Naruto fanfiction can be emo except Sasuke (and of course OC's)

and thats another thing i hate, when the main character in the story is an OC, i have a friend on FF who's main character is supposedly the "Dark Ninja: Enot Relno" where hinata gets kidnapped and he saves the day and s***, i have nothing againt him, but the fic sucks since like every moment revolves around his stupid OC

[Banana]

For some reason, I hate OCs. I mean, all the ones I've read about I hate. That's why I'm basically saying I hate all of them. I don't know. There's always something fake, stereotypical, or goody-goody about them. I just can't stand it.

I also hate it when Naruto is all like "I love you Sakura," and then Sakura is like "Me too!" and them BAM! they're together. I want slow development from Sakura, possibly some jealousy towards another girl.

[Rick (Bonta-kun)]

Actually there are some very good stories with OCs as main characters.

The only one i can remember off the top of my head is Fenrir and the Fox by Soul of the Silver Phoenix.

[Jwolf0]

One of my favorite Naruto fics is centered around an OC, but she's not overpowered by ANY means:
The Way of the Apartment Manager by Elizabeth Culmer.
Summary: Ayakawa Yukiko retired from being a ninja, and she's come to terms with that. Then the Third Hokage summons her for an assignment that will change her life. AU story, set six years premanga. COMPLETE

[chtulhu]

When fanfiction writers incorporate rape into their stories and portray it as a rough, erotic encounter instead of what it really is: a terrible violation of someone's body. I've gone through too many fics that have done this (most of which, were less than par excellence) and I often wonder why people romanticize such a horrible act. The most common type I've seen is a deranged Naruto in Kyuubi form who rapes Hinata/Sakura and the said-girls magically forgive and forget....or, Naruto finds someone who has been raped, rescues them, becomes their knight-in-shining-armor, etc.

This is partially due to the fact that rape, in literature, was romanticized for some time. Read the Canterbury Tales, or other fiction contemporary to that era. In the Wife of Bath, the knight rapes a maiden, and for his punishment, he is sent out on a quest to find out what women truly desire, and in his quest, he finds that the wife desires to be raped. It is, as literature professors studying the work say, the anti-feminist cliche.

Rape has been portrayed as an act of unbridled and uncontrollable love in literature for many years. The reality of it being portrayed in literature is a relatively new concept.

Not that that makes it right, but it isn't necessarily the sign of bad literature - no one can really say that Chaucer wasn't an amazing poet. Good works of literature often times have viewpoints that the rest of us do not agree with.

[FullmetalNinja25]

Character death.

[One-Shot]

Character death.

totally

[MagusKyros]

Character death can actually be pretty good if it was written good.

Not that I hate them, but Chouji, Neji, and Gaara would've all had good character deaths in the manga.

[SkyStrider]

Hello everyone! First time poster on this thread.

Let's see... Fanfiction hates...

In general, my fanfiction hates center more around technical details than specific trends, plot ideas, or premises. The reason for this is because many ideas that have proven to be "peeves" of people on threads and forums like this are actually ideas I find both incredibly interesting and full of immense potential IF DONE PLAUSIBLY (More on this later). However, the same cannot be said for basic technical flaws. One fic writer writing a story about Sakura persisting in her thoughts of romantically involving herself with Sasuke if/when he somehow returns to Konoha and by extension continuing to ignore/be oblivious to Naruto's feelings for her to the extent of (unwittingly or not) hurting him is a story a lot of people here will probably not like, yet there are also a lot of people out there in the Naruto fandom who would enjoy it like a little kid enjoys candy. And if that type of story was done in a reasonably logical way, I, for one, could easily see myself enjoying it. However, I can't see myself getting into any story (even a NaruSaku one) where the author makes chronic spelling errors, neglects punctuation, disregards basic grammar, ignores sentence/paragraph spacing, and so forth. To me, this shows that the author apparently doesn't care enough about his/her story to take the time to at least make their story legible to the people they're sharing it with. So if the author themselves don't care about their story to make it readable, then why should I care enough to try to read it?

To wit, I cannot stand:

1) Bad spelling
2) Lack of capitalization
3) Lack of punctuation
4) Lack of spacing (between words, sentences, paragraphs, etc.)
5) Disregard of grammar
6) Ambiguousness between thoughts, speech, memories, etc.
7) Bad sentence structure

When I sit down to read a fanfiction story (regardless of the topic matter), I want to READ. I don't want to wade through a sea of randomly littered letters that have no structure or reason to them, nor should I be made to. It's confusing, it's frustrating, it's insulting to me as a reader, and most of all, it's the one thing I, above all, DON'T want fanfiction to be: painful tedium. And I imagine practically any and every fanfiction reader, no matter their preferences, would wholeheartedly agree with me on that.

I'll be back with more later (like my views on plot-related peeves)...

SkyStrider

[MagusKyros]

Hello everyone! First time poster on this thread.

Let's see... Fanfiction hates...

In general, my fanfiction hates center more around technical details than specific trends, plot ideas, or premises. The reason for this is because many ideas that have proven to be "peeves" of people on threads and forums like this are actually ideas I find both incredibly interesting and full of immense potential IF DONE PLAUSIBLY (More on this later). However, the same cannot be said for basic technical flaws. One fic writer writing a story about Sakura persisting in her thoughts of romantically involving herself with Sasuke if/when he somehow returns to Konoha and by extension continuing to ignore/be oblivious to Naruto's feelings for her to the extent of (unwittingly or not) hurting him is a story a lot of people here will probably not like, yet there are also a lot of people out there in the Naruto fandom who would enjoy it like a little kid enjoys candy. And if that type of story was done in a reasonably logical way, I, for one, could easily see myself enjoying it. However, I can't see myself getting into any story (even a NaruSaku one) where the author makes chronic spelling errors, neglects punctuation, disregards basic grammar, ignores sentence/paragraph spacing, and so forth. To me, this shows that the author apparently doesn't care enough about his story to take the time to at least make their story legible to the people they're sharing it with. So if the author themselves don't care about their story to make it readable, then why should I care enough to try to read it?

To wit, I cannot stand:

1) Bad spelling
2) Lack of capitalization
3) Lack of punctuation
4) Lack of spacing (between words, sentences, paragraphs, etc.)
5) Disregard of grammar
6) Ambiguousness between thoughts, speech, memories, etc.
7) Bad sentence structure

When I sit down to read a fanfiction story (regardless of the topic matter), I want to READ. I don't want to wade through a sea of randomly littered letters that have no structure or reason to them, nor should I be made to. It's confusing, it's frustrating, it's insulting to me as a reader, and most of all, it's the one thing I, above all, DON'T want fanfiction to be: painful tedium. And I imagine practically any and every fanfiction reader, no matter their preferences, would wholeheartedly agree with me on that.

I'll be back with more later (like my views on plot-related peeves)...

SkyStrider

Touche, man, touche :]

However, I hate fanfics that don't have logic to them more than I hate bad grammar. I will take bad grammar as long as the story makes sense. Sometimes even if the plot has no logic or the characters kept in character, as long as the plot is actually interesting and somewhat original, then I'll read it.

It's why LD_1449 still holds, in my opinion, as a pretty good author. To give him credit to, his stories are at least readable for being someone who came from another country.

[SkyStrider]

Touche, man, touche :]

However, I hate fanfics that don't have logic to them more than I hate bad grammar. I will take bad grammar as long as the story makes sense. Sometimes even if the plot has no logic or the characters kept in character, as long as the plot is actually interesting and somewhat original, then I'll read it.

It's why LD_1449 still holds, in my opinion, as a pretty good author. To give him credit to, his stories are at least readable for being someone who came from another country.

I understand what you're saying here, especially in regards to plots making sense and foreigners or people with ESL (English as a second language). For a story to hold my interest, the plot has to make sense and it has to be interesting. Otherwise, I just stop bothering to care after a while. My point is that if I can't trust an author to take the time to at least make their story legible, how can I be expected to trust them to craft a logical story that can keep my interest?

I have more sympathy towards foreigners and ESL people on this matter, though. I don't expect a person born outside the U.S who's writing in a language secondary to them to be anywhere as aware of basic technical failures as a native English speaker/writer would. In those cases, mistakes can and do happen due to circumstance. However, if the author has the means to correct these faults (like getting a beta reader), and still refuses to, then my sympathy wanes.

And in fact, LD_1449 was a perfect example of this: His first story (a NaruSaku epic where Naruto leaves Konoha, to train w/ Itachi+Kisame) sounded interesting to me when I read the summary, and his ideas and scenes encouraged me to keep trying to slog on through despite the incredible amount of technical errors in the story, until he wrote an Author's note telling everyone that he'd gotten offers for people to be his beta reader and refused them all because he wanted to go at it alone. That right there turned me off from his story completely, and I haven't checked any of his stories since (He may have improved on this, so my opinions of him probably don't apply anymore). I understand pride and to an extent I also understand trying to do things yourself as a writer, but when you're being offered chance after chance to improve your story's readability (and by extension, improve yourself as a writer so that you make less of those mistakes later), and you STILL refuse to take it, then that shows ignorant idiocy, not pride.

Sorry if I was a little fierce there, but my feelings on this can be pretty strong, especially considering that whenever I write something, I take any and all pains to ensure that people can actually read what I'm trying to say.

SkyStrider

[MagusKyros]

I understand what you're saying here, especially in regards to plots making sense and foreigners or people with ESL (English as a second language). For a story to hold my interest, the plot has to make sense and it has to be interesting. Otherwise, I just stop bothering to care after a while. My point is that if I can't trust an author to take the time to at least make their story legible, how can I be expected to trust them to craft a logical story that can keep my interest?

I have more sympathy towards foreigners and ESL people on this matter, though. I don't expect a person born outside the U.S who's writing in a language secondary to them to be anywhere as aware of basic technical failures as a native English speaker/writer would. In those cases, mistakes can and do happen due to circumstance. However, if the author has the means to correct these faults (like getting a beta reader), and still refuses to, then my sympathy wanes.

And in fact, LD_1449 was a perfect example of this: His first story (a NaruSaku epic where Naruto leaves Konoha, to train w/ Itachi+Kisame) sounded interesting to me when I read the summary, and his ideas and scenes encouraged me to keep trying to slog on through despite the incredible amount of technical errors in the story, until he wrote an Author's note telling everyone that he'd gotten offers for people to be his beta reader and refused them all because he wanted to go at it alone. That right there turned me off from his story completely, and I haven't checked any of his stories since (He may have improved on this, so my opinions of him probably don't apply anymore). I understand pride and to an extent I also understand trying to do things yourself as a writer, but when you're being offered chance after chance to improve your story's readability (and by extension, improve yourself as a writer so that you make less of those mistakes later), and you STILL refuse to take it, then that shows ignorant idiocy, not pride.

Sorry if I was a little fierce there, but my feelings on this can be pretty strong, especially considering that whenever I write something, I take any and all pains to ensure that people can actually read what I'm trying to say.

SkyStrider

If I ever wrote something, I would rather go at it myself. However, before I ever post a story, I would not look at it for awhile, and reread through it to see how it looks like.

I also spend quite a bit of time rereading some other fanfics that have great use of grammar, so I can compare my work to theirs.

I wouldn't call it ignorant idiocy. Some people feel better when they do things themselves, like myself. Otherwise it'll just bug them because they wouldn't be able to call it their work in the end.

[Samantha]

Chat Speak

There is nothing worse then reading a story written in chat speak. It's plain laziness on the behalf of the author. Example: I luv Naruto! He's gr8!

[SkyStrider]

And now, onto some of my thoughts on the more "plot-specific" peeves on this thread or in fanfiction in general.

In my mind, Naruto is a very diverse and open manga in the sense that the vast majority of it's events and the motivations behind the characters involved in those events can be interpreted very differently from person to person. This applies even more so to Naruto fanfiction; as a matter of fact, I believe that the sheer amount of specific factors and aspects involved in the manga (yet nearly all delivered in a relatively fan-friendly, easy-to-understand manner) is what makes the Naruto Fanfiction wolrd as sucessful as it is (for instance, Naruto has nearly 100,000 stories on FF.net, which is over 20,000 stories (!) more than second-place Inuyasha). In that amount of stories, you're bound to get some of everything. And more often than not, the majority of those ideas do indeed have a fairly strong basis in the canon work, regardless of whether or not they appeal to certain people's personal tastes. And just because someone has a different take on what the manga gives us doesn't mean that they're wrong, nor that their story is not worth reading because they took up that specific view. As a matter of fact, many of the peeves I see on this thread that go against specific fanfic plots are based on ideas that I, personally, don't believe are consistent with what the manga has shown us.

To list a few examples of such ideas here in this thread:

1) The idea that Naruto was always a happy-go-lucky character who, despite all the crap he's been through, never hated or resented anyone from his village and always forgave/empathized with everyone who hated him, due to the fact that he has such a big heart to the point where he's not, has never been, nor will ever actually be capable of truly hating anybody.

As much as I can see why one would be tempted to believe this take on Naruto to be 100% true, I will respectfully have to say that I completely disagree with this. The manga has, in fact, shown us quite a few times that Naruto is very much capable of truly hating certain people when given just cause. He hates Orochimaru, he hates Itachi (and by extension, all of Akatsuki), he didn't care for Gatou, and, surprise of all surprises, he actually used to hate the village of Konoha itself! That's right, Naruto, (supposedly) Mr. I-have-such-a-big-heart-that-I've-never-hated-the-people-who-gave-me-abuse, did in fact hold a big grudge against the villagers of Konoha at one point in his life! What's more, it would appear that he held this grudge in him for years! Don't believe me? Take a look at Volume 15, Chapter 132, page 7 (where he reflects on the similarities between himself and Gaara before he takes on Gaara's fully awakened tanuki form), and read his thoughts on that page. Better yet, read his thoughts and look at the images all the way up to page 10, and then try to tell me (with a straight face) that Naruto never hated Konoha.

In fact, I'd even go so far as to say that Iruka's declaration to Mizuki all the way back in Chapter 1 was the big turning point for Naruto; if Iruka had held true to the resentful thoughts he had towards Naruto before Sandaime talked to him after the graduation, we more than likely WOULD be seeing Naruto taking up a Gaara-style "I will train myself to one day get revenge on Konoha" type of storyline for the manga. Because going by both those scenes in Chap. 132 and the scenes in Chap 252 (when Naruto reflects on how both he and Gaara are both Akatsuki targets), Naruto was very much on the verge of becoming the Konoha analog to Gaara before Iruka stepped in and saved him in the nick of time.

So in short, a Dark Naruto is far from being either OOC or a rape of his character; in fact, the manga would seem to indicate that it's what WOULD have happened, had it not been for Iruka's single act of acceptance.

2) The idea that the worst thing that could have ever happened to Naruto at the hands of the villagers before he became a ninja was simple rejection and shunning. Furthermore, that Naruto could not have possibly suffered any physical abuse because the Third was this ever-watching omnipotent force who would have been aware enough in time to stop people from even doing so much as THINKING about hurting Naruto, let alone actually going through with it.

Once again, I can understand why people would find themselves accepting this perception of Naruto's childhood (the idea of abuse is disturbing, it's never been directly or explicitly shown in the manga, it's already been seen before with Gaara, it seems to be making Naruto's past "unnecessarily melodramatic", etc.), but in this case, logical analysis of what people in the manga have said, Naruto's character, and various reading between the lines leads me to conclude that the abuse Naruto suffered in his past almost assuredly could not have all been as indirect and relatively merciful as some here have made it out to have been. For evidence of this, I point you once again to the scenes in 132 where Naruto reflects on his past. Take a good look at his expression on page 7, and more importantly, notice his thoughts here:

"I came to hate everyone... I never knew why I was despised... never knew why I had to live in such a world...".

Naruto felt hate, people. Not sadness, not despair, which are the feelings you would normally associate with people simply shunning and excluding someone. HATE. As we all know, it would take quite a lot for Naruto to downright hate someone. Insulting him, as Ebisu, Inari, Kiba, Neji, (heck, almost the whole Rookie Nine for that matter) Tsunade, Sai, and even Sasuke and Sakura themselves have proven, won't get him to hate you, even if you do it to his face constantly. Abandoning him or leaving him out of the loop, as his fellow classmates, Sai, and (in a different sense) Kakashi have proven, won't do it either. What will? Well, going by the reasons as to why he hates Orochimaru and the Akatsuki, you would have to hurt his "precious people" dearly, and do so constantly (or pose a threat to do so) for Naruto to truly despise you. But if he had no precious people before Iruka (as the manga implies), what then could the villagers have hurt to make him hate them so? It's simple, really: they could (and I'm more than convinced they did) hurt the one thing he still had to call "precious": himself.

But then you might ask yourself, would the villagers or the ninja of the village actually contemplate hurting Naruto in any way right under the nose of Sandaime? My answer is: As far as the ninja go, absolutely. In fact, in Chapter 1, they even got together in a group and agreed to kill him on sight, even whilst they were supposed to be following the direct orders of Sandaime to do nothing more than find him! Furthermore, we get introduced to that scene with a very conspicuous declaration: "We should have killed him!!!" So the Konoha ninja were most certainly prone to homicidal tendencies when it came to poor Naruto. Furthermore, Sarutobi was hardly perfect in his vigilance over the village even in his younger days, let alone the older ones he was in shortly before his death. If he had been, he would have discovered Orochimaru's little human experiment operation long before he really did, given how many people Orochimaru got his hands on before Sarutobi finally acted.

And finally, going by the lengths to which the manga goes to show how hateful the villagers were to Naruto in various scenes, I simply cannot believe that Naruto went through his entire childhood without having to suffer the pain of an overzealous villager secretly physically venting out a little hatred now and then towards what they considered to be the murderer of so many of their families and friends. After all, no one would have cared enough about "the demon" to tell Sarutobi if anything had happened, and Sarutobi would not have been able to watch him 24/7. And the people of Konoha village, far from the most benevolent in the Naruto world, have most certainly shown themselves capable of expressing extreme cruelty in the past, as the case of Sakumo Hatake proves beyond all doubt.

So given how much the villagers obviously hated Naruto (and the opportunities they almost certainly had every day to express it if they so wished), how willing the Konoha nin were to kill him regardless of their "beloved" Kage's orders, and how Naruto says he hated everyone in comparing his life to Gaara, I'd say it's impossible for him not to have felt physical abuse along with the mental pain.

Also, I think most fics that justify any hatred Naruto would have towards Konoha HAVE to include mentions of such abuse for the hatred to ring true, given the world of difference there is (and figures to be) between the sadness someone as hate-averse as Naruto would feel towards simple shunning and exclusion and the hate he in fact felt towards the village, emotions that figure to require suffering more direct and viscerally painful acts than just shunning.

There's more, but given that it all involves Team 7 interaction (and in particular, NaruSaku interaction), I need some time to organize my thoughts...

SkyStrider

[MagusKyros]

The only thing that is ever said about his treatment from the villagers was that they always ignored him.

Never has it been stated that he has been physically abused, not even Naruto himself when we learn more about his past in VotE. He was always ignored.

I mean, if he was being abused, Naruto wouldn't have spent so much time trying to get people to notice him, now would he?

Really, for the same reason you have stated, what is stopping any ninja in the village from killing Naruto? If they truly hated him and abused him like you said, somebody would have already killed him, and the Sandaime wouldn't even know about it.