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[Akashi]

I need to start writing.

ASAP!

[Dario]

I completely agree with you. What hurt me the most was seeing that adult Naruto. It was as if his soul had been ripped off him and he was living an empty life, devoid of happiness. And housewife Sakura..? Words fail me. 

l think the worst part for me is the way he looks and the implied message he wanted to look like Obito. l remember when l tried to picture the ending in my mind, l was seeing hokage Naruto who looked like his father with the same kind of haircut, or maybe the Gutsy Ninja from the pain arc, with Sakura proudly standing at his side... And we get this thing. LOL.

 

Because obviously your main character should look like the terrible person who ruined his life for idiotic reasons, not like his father, a true hero. Afterall Obito was "the coolest guy". 

Edited by Dario, 22 November 2014 - 02:17 PM.

[rocci]

If naruto copy obito. He should get sakura.

[Elicit]

Was Kishimoto "on a fence" or "thought" about having Sakura be with Naruto?

[Nar123]

Was Kishimoto "on a fence" or "thought" about having Sakura be with Naruto?

He obviously considered, so he was more than "in the fence" dare i say
Early shippuden is the proof

[Dario]

Was Kishimoto "on a fence" or "thought" about having Sakura be with Naruto?

lsn't that the same thing? Obviously he thought about it at some point, early part 2 is all about NS momentum and the 3rd databook explicitely confirms it. There was only two possibilities after that: he changed his mind, or he was trolling us. Apparently he changed his mind.

[Nar123]

lsn't that the same thing? Obviously he thought about it at some point, early part 2 is all about NS momentum and the 3rd databook explicitely confirms it. There was only two possibilities after that: he changed his mind, or he was trolling us. Apparently he changed his mind.

And then he trolled us
-Kushina paralallel
-GF comment
-minato's words
-Obito's words
-CPR and heart-grabbing scene

If he decided for NH/SS in the Kage summit why not work on these pairings?
Make Sakura learn the truth about the uchiha, make naruto talk to Hinata again about her feelings she talked about 437!


But no
Kishimoto trolled every single one of us

Edited by Nar123, 22 November 2014 - 03:25 PM.

[Atheck]

He obviously considered, so he was more than "in the fence" dare i say
Early shippuden is the proof

 

Early shippuden? The momentum for Sakura reciprocating the feelings Naruto holds for her was being gradually built up through their mutual trust and interactions both out in the field and in their private civilian lives as well. Hinata didn't throw herself to the dogs so she could confess until four hundred thirty something. That's close to a third of the series dedicated to the honest-to-goodness bond held with NS before the Hyuga became a consideration for her "beautiful sacrifice" after hundreds of chapters of no wholehearted conversations or exchange of sympathies with Naruto.

 

Even afterwards we have no clear expression sign of shifting affections on Naruto's part. There's a subtle tease here from outside parties and a pep talk there, but nothing explicitly romantic or personally attractive from him.

 

If Kishi intended for Naruto to become the trophy husband of Hinata as early as the Pain arc then why did he string us along with the parallel devices and foreshadowing? Money? He and his cohorts already collect more in revenue individually than what billions of people will ever make in their lives. Moreover, his series has become an international phenomenon that will continue to have a massive following regardless of who he pairs who with at the midpoint of the manga. So popularity and ratings should be no concern for either Kishi or Pierrot.

 

Assuming this ending is what he truly desired then he should have properly resolved Naruto's feelings for Sakura at the Kage Summit instead of allowing him to dance around the issue. What Kishi did in this war arc and the epilogue following it amounts to a sick twisted mockery of what his series stood for. It was just lies and deception with a vulgar message sent to the readers that endorses the battered wife syndrome and single-minded obsessions achieving their desires without merit. 

[Pix]

Hate all the girls you want but I hope you don't mean Toph cause she is the best.

No that's my homie. (Actually she was my favorite other than Azula. Now Azula, is a good character.)

[Nami]

So we are all now officially not going to watch the movie right? RIGHT?

 

But seriously you guys, is anyone watching the movie? I don't want to watch it but I do have kind of a masochistic streak that might make me watch it. It's like the last chapter, after all the spoilers I knew what was gonna happen and didn't want to read it but ended up doing it anyhow because I guess I just had so see Kishi properly destroying his life's work with my own two eyes. I didn't believe what was going on until I saw it. The second reason for watching it is me hoping to get at least some kind of NS interaction and maybe a nice explanation why nothing was ever resolved. I'm sure it would be unrealistic but I just need something.

[KnS]

You didn't read the last two?

 

No.  I saw the spoilers and decided that was enough; no good was going to result from putting that garbage in my head.  It was the only form of protest I had, and I refused to be manipulated by Kishimoto and the sick game he and his handlers are playing.  I don't regret it in the slightest.

And just when I thought that guy couldn't disgust me any further, I found out that he had a daughter.

How can he not think about if HIS daughter was in the same position? Anyone with a daughter would think twice about making these statements because they would first stop and think "what if it was my daughter?"

But then again, unsurprisingly, I can imagine him telling her that, "all men with a problem has a reason to act so and we must be understanding."

 

I know.  I've had the same thought. How could he possibly extol such a philosophy -- such ideas about commitment, romantic love, marriage, parenthood, dedication, morality, you name it -- at all, but particularly if he has children?  

 

The entire manga ended up being a terrible, terrible message. You're right, too -- that comment of Kishimoto's about enemies or villains doing evil things for "unavoidable" reasons.  Just... wow.

 

One thing I keep thinking about....

 

If Naruto is a self-insert as Kishimoto has often claimed, then it makes me wonder about how happy he is as a person.  Maybe he didn't get the girl he wanted, either, and is too busy with his "dream job" to spend time with his children or even be glad he has them.,,,?  

 

Something like that would explain the bitter, careless emptiness that permeates the ending of the manga.

[Dario]

 

 

 

Assuming this ending is what he truly desired then he should have properly resolved Naruto's feelings for Sakura at the Kage Summit instead of allowing him to dance around the issue. What Kishi did in this war arc and the epilogue following it amounts to a sick twisted mockery of what his series stood for. It was just lies and deception with a vulgar message sent to the readers that endorses the battered wife syndrome and single-minded obsessions achieving their desires without merit. 

Perfect summary, especially the last sentence.

[tricksie]

Assuming this ending is what he truly desired then he should have properly resolved Naruto's feelings for Sakura at the Kage Summit instead of allowing him to dance around the issue. What Kishi did in this war arc and the epilogue following it amounts to a sick twisted mockery of what his series stood for. It was just lies and deception with a vulgar message sent to the readers that endorses the battered wife syndrome and single-minded obsessions achieving their desires without merit. 

 

 

Holy crap. Perfect in every way.

[ThroughWithLove]

So in the end, NaruSaku is just another one of the NUMEROUS retcons and abandoned subplots throughout this sh-t manga. Yep folks, that's some good storytelling there.

 

I'm currently in the process and rewriting the last seven chapters and giving this manga the ending it deserves. I'm being as objective as possible with the characters and I'm finding myself having no trouble whatsoever leading into NaruSaku. Kishimoto is just a hack and sellout. To hell with him and to hell with his new movie.

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 22 November 2014 - 04:58 PM.

[tricksie]

 

No.  I saw the spoilers and decided that was enough; no good was going to result from putting that garbage in my head.  It was the only form of protest I had, and I refused to be manipulated by Kishimoto and the sick game he and his handlers are playing.  I don't regret it in the slightest.

 

I know.  I've had the same thought. How could he possibly extol such a philosophy -- such ideas about commitment, romantic love, marriage, parenthood, dedication, morality, you name it -- at all, but particularly if he has children?  

 

The entire manga ended up being a terrible, terrible message. You're right, too -- that comment of Kishimoto's about enemies or villains doing evil things for "unavoidable" reasons.  Just... wow.

 

One thing I keep thinking about....

 

If Naruto is a self-insert as Kishimoto has often claimed, then it makes me wonder about how happy he is as a person.  Maybe he didn't get the girl he wanted, either, and is too busy with his "dream job" to spend time with his children or even be glad he has them.,,,?  

 

Something like that would explain the bitter, careless emptiness that permeates the ending of the manga.

 

i wish I hasn't read it. I had worked so hard to steer clear of the spoilers, and it was such a heartbreak to realize what was happening in the manga, right before my eyes.

 

Your last line sums it all up. I remember a critic saying that The Last Airbender movie was joyless. And one statement had such perfect clarity as to why we were so disappointed with it after it had been such a good show.

 

A permeating "bitter, careless emptiness" is the perfect description for what happened at the end of Naruto.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

A permeating "bitter, careless emptiness" is the perfect description for what happened at the end of Naruto.

 

Yeah, just like I feel regarding Naruto's attitude in Chapter 700. His life seems empty, even if he's Hokage and has a family...

[ThroughWithLove]

I hope Oda is seeing this and is not gonna eff up Luffy and Nami.

 

I prefer Luffy x Hancock myself to be honest and see a lot more leading in that direction. That said, Oda has made it pretty clear that he ain't touching romance . . . ever, so we won't have to worry about crap like this happening in One Piece.

[rocci]

Luffy x Hancock is nh equivalent.

[trang95]

Let's just leave one piece out of all this kitten.

[Nate River]

 

No.  I saw the spoilers and decided that was enough; no good was going to result from putting that garbage in my head.  It was the only form of protest I had, and I refused to be manipulated by Kishimoto and the sick game he and his handlers are playing.  I don't regret it in the slightest.

 

I know.  I've had the same thought. How could he possibly extol such a philosophy -- such ideas about commitment, romantic love, marriage, parenthood, dedication, morality, you name it -- at all, but particularly if he has children?  

 

The entire manga ended up being a terrible, terrible message. You're right, too -- that comment of Kishimoto's about enemies or villains doing evil things for "unavoidable" reasons.  Just... wow.

 

One thing I keep thinking about....

 

If Naruto is a self-insert as Kishimoto has often claimed, then it makes me wonder about how happy he is as a person.  Maybe he didn't get the girl he wanted, either, and is too busy with his "dream job" to spend time with his children or even be glad he has them.,,,?  

 

Something like that would explain the bitter, careless emptiness that permeates the ending of the manga.

 

 

Nope. I ended up taking one for the team :)

 

Anyway, even if Sasuke weren't trash I fail to understand why Sakura must put her life on hold and wait for Sasuke in perpetuity AND sit around on Hinata to make a move no matter how long it takes. Simply liking Naruto is not a claim where no one can make a move. If Hinata a fails to do so or Sasuke doesn't show reciprocation she has every right to move on. The world won't wait for Hinata.