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[FireFox]

I think you missed the point.
If Sasuke praised her she would be acknowledged thus making impossible for Sakura to move on because she got what she wanted from Sasuke, in a way he told her the truth and that she should be.

However on Naruto's case on the hospital, it encouraged her but those moments arent about encouraging, because despite that Sakura still felt she was weak and the things she does is useless, what Naruto and Sasuke missed is the fact that they didnt acknowledged Sakura, they never did it, becuase if Naruto acknowledged her she would accept and see herself as a strong shinobi rather than just keep pointing out her flaws and mistakes, which she did thoughout the part 2.
That's the moment Kishi avoided between Naruto and Sakura, after the summit was the perfect opportunity for that and even during the hospital after Sasuke's chase, Naruto had many many moments to acknowledge Sakura but Kishi simply didnt.

I see well aren't those kind of things usually kept for them to be told at the end you know when the pairing becomes canon ? Still i don't know if the kage arc was the perfect opportunity for Naruto to tell her that since Sakura has never told him how she feels about not doing enough for him , i have always thought that authors keeps this kind of the things for the end when there is a confession and the paring becomes canon . 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Time like this I really wonder what's the first thing to happen when Naruto wakes up.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I see well aren't those kind of things usually kept for them to be told at the end you know when the pairing becomes canon ? Still i don't know if the kage arc was the perfect opportunity for Naruto to tell her that since Sakura has never told him how she feels about not doing enough for him , i have always thought that authors keeps this kind of the things for the end when there is a confession and the paring becomes canon .

Sometimes.
But Naruto has a love triangle so Naruto acknowledging her would made no difference(in terms of making them canon already) but would make their relationship more strong after all, during part 2 we saw both of them lying to each other mixed with cheer ups and some compelling moments.
That's why probably we never got a single moment where Naruto confronted Sakura or had a serious conversation with Sakura, or even when he had a chance he always changed the topic to talk about Sasuke (hospital after the rasenshuriken).

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 22 February 2014 - 11:48 PM.

[Awes9]

I think you missed the point.
If Sasuke praised her she would be acknowledged thus making impossible for Sakura to move on because she got what she wanted from Sasuke, in a way he told her the truth and that she should be.

However on Naruto's case on the hospital, it encouraged her but those moments arent about encouraging, because despite that Sakura still felt she was weak and the things she does is useless, what Naruto and Sasuke missed is the fact that they didnt acknowledged Sakura, they never did it, becuase if Naruto acknowledged her she would accept and see herself as a strong shinobi rather than just keep pointing out her flaws and mistakes, which she did thoughout the part 2.
That's the moment Kishi avoided between Naruto and Sakura, after the summit was the perfect opportunity for that and even during the hospital after Sasuke's chase, Naruto had many many moments to acknowledge Sakura but Kishi simply didnt.


@Awes9.
That didnt prevented her from kept calling off she still loved Sasuke didnt she thoughout the whole part 2.
You can claim whatever you want but Sasuke wanst a jerk at all times and Sakura loved the Sasuke he once was and this Sasuke was linked towards her happiness which is team 7.
You can even read her confession towards Sasuke which proves the point, she never wanted to bring Sasuke back for him but rather for her own motives she was selfish during her confession and during the POAL on which she admitted and it's perfectly normal for a 12 years old girl.

Also the current chapters are showing nothing other than her usual worrying about Naruto on which we saw this whole story, i'm looking forward to which decision she made during the love ninja moment.

What are you talking about ? I never said she didn't love Sasuke, and the fact he was decent at times doesn't change all the times he was a kitten to her, and again I reiterate my point all of this happened in part 1 we are in part 2, all of this happened almost 500 chapters, you can't look at one part which is a small part and forget all the rest which is the majority of the manga. The point was about which pairing has the least foundation and SS is the pairing which has the least foundation to stand on nothing more nothing less. I don't get how did you get to Sakura's feelings honestly when I wasn't talking about them nor was I denying them ?

[TyranntX]

Behold my list of anticipations of parings confirmed/died

 

NaruSaku - Confirmed in episode 3 when sakura said she'd be nicer to Naruto.

 

SasuSaku- Died on episode 3 when Sasuke called Sakura annoying.

 

NaruHina- Died when Hinata was first seen on screen. (yes, I realy mean early into episode 1)

 

SakuKarin- Deemed plausible when Karin first appeared.

 

Naruten- Died instantly.

 

Sakulee- Died during the Chunin exams.

 

InoSasu- died when Ino first met Sai

 

NaruIno- deemed plausible at first, but died after their only mission they had together.

 

Narutema- never deemed plausible.

 

SakuGaa- Never deemed plausible

 

InoGaa- Never deemed plausible

 

Gaatema- died on the discovery that they are sibling

 

Shikatema- deemed plausible... unless one of them dies again or I missed something.

 

NejiSaku- Never deemed plausible

 

TsuJira- Died when Jiraya drowned.

 

SasuHina- Never Deemed plausible

 

NejiTen- Unknown

 

NejiHina- Died on the discovery that they are cousins.

 

InoSai- Deemed plausible for the time being

 

all other parings that were not mentioned are either not yet confirmed/plausible ore never deemed plausible

[Awes9]

I think this post perfectly summarizes why SS has no basis and why it has no chance of happening, perfectly explains my toughts : http://bodegacowboy....le-in-the-manga.

[megi]

How suspicious of Kishimoto to have all those Sakura reaction panels 

 

*and another thing, how is Minato going to do the sealing without his hands? 

Edited by megi, 23 February 2014 - 12:38 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

What are you talking about ? I never said she didn't love Sasuke, and the fact he was decent at times doesn't change all the times he was a kitten to her, and again I reiterate my point all of this happened in part 1 we are in part 2, all of this happened almost 500 chapters, you can't look at one part which is a small part and forget all the rest which is the majority of the manga. The point was about which pairing has the least foundation and SS is the pairing which has the least foundation to stand on nothing more nothing less. I don't get how did you get to Sakura's feelings honestly when I wasn't talking about them nor was I denying them ?

He was a "kitten" like you described about but it didnt stopped her from loving him right?
Which is why she reinterate her love for him thoughout the entire part 2.
I'm a way the dilemna is she want to embrace Naruto's love or she accept her love for Sasuke regardless of what she's now, and also to get even better add the fact she cares about Naruto and doesnt want to hurt him and knows about his love for her.
Sakura's panel on love ninja, she showed she was still in love with Sasuke despite being sad about the fact he's evil.
And after it we dont have anything that shows that her love changed or whatever.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 23 February 2014 - 12:43 AM.

[TyranntX]

How suspicious of Kishimoto to have all those Sakura reaction panels 

 

*and another thing, how is Minato going to do the sealing without his hands? 

 I think that was established on the chapter 665 thread

[FireFox]

Sometimes.
But Naruto has a love triangle so Naruto acknowledging her would made no difference(in terms of making them canon already) but would make their relationship more strong after all, during part 2 we saw both of them lying to each other mixed with cheer ups and some compelling moments.
That's why probably we never got a single moment where Naruto confronted Sakura or had a serious conversation with Sakura, or even when he had a chance he always changed the topic to talk about Sasuke (hospital after the rasenshuriken).

The thing is Kishi chose to make the both of them unaware about those things ( Naruto seeing her care for him and Sakura hiding her feelings from him in order to protect him ) these things were revealed on some level after the kage arc but still Sakura has never told Naruto that she feels useless when it comes about doing something for him  for Naruto to make those compliments in the first place , plus its not like their relationship isn't strong as it is now its stronger then ever and it has been gradually developed  , for me its perfectly normal and logical for these things to be resolved at the end of the manga  before they go canon even if there is a love triangle plus things would have been pretty obvious if Naruto did all of that at the time that you think it should have happened , for me it would have lost the impact that it should have when they are doing their confession or when Naruto's about to go to fight Sasuke since i think this is gonna be the perfect time for that . But i guess it's a difference of an opinion and perception of how the both of us see them and things being played out between them i guess .    

[Awes9]

He was a "kitten" like you described about but it didnt stopped her from loving him right?
Which is why she reinterate her love for him thoughout the entire part 2.
I'm a way the dilemna is she want to embrace Naruto's love or she accept her love for Sasuke regardless of what she's now, and also to get even better add the fact she cares about Naruto and doesnt want to hurt him and knows about his love for her.
Sakura's panel on love ninja, she showed she was still in love with Sasuke despite being sad about the fact he's evil.
And after it we dont have anything that shows that her love changed or whatever.

Good god are you doing it on purpose or what ? That's absolutely not what I'm talking about, seriously stop answering with things that have nothing to do with my post. Please reread what I wrote, reread the conversation and then come back and discuss the subject I was talking about.

[ramenanmitsu]

If you are referring to my little comment since i think you are , i never said he didn't care for them at all it's obvious he did on some level but he did put those thoughts into her and he didn't do it in a nice way whether it was the truth or not it doesn't matter  , he could have said that nicely to her not the way he did or he could have offer to help her but he didn't   he wasn't thinking of Sakura's feelings at all or how would she feel , but i will retract my comment about the Genjustsu compliment and say yes he did notice and he did compliment her but it doesn't change the fact that she was like that because of him in the first place and wile that wasn't his intention he did hurt her but that's how Sasuke is he doesn't think about his choice of words and that more than often did hurt Sakura's feelings . Also this compliment of his doesn't override all the times he was being an ass to her and it doesn't make SS chances of being canon any better then they are now (i'm speaking in general here not referring to you  )  .

Actually I was speaking in generally, but thanks for replying to me anyways :)

Kakashi, Jiraiya, Sasuke have been equally, if not more, blunt with Naruto (ex. Wave arc, Tsunade arc). And unlike Sakura, all of this happened while Naruto was working hard but the results didn't follow up with him. If anything, Naruto had more reasons to become depressed, but instead, he trained harder. My point is, Sakura getting depressed is not Sasuke's problem, but only her own. It's not Sasuke's responsibility that Sakura cannot handle the truth. Nor is it his responsibility to forcefully train with somebody who doesn't want to train herself (if anything, that's Kakashi's job). And I'd say that Sasuke giving Sakura a wake-up call shows more concern than Kakashi, who did jackkitten about her situation.

Also, his genjutsu compliment does override his comment earlier. If it didn't, she would have remained depressed and wouldn't have participated in the Chuunin exams.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 23 February 2014 - 12:57 AM.

[sushi.]

Actually I was speaking in generally, but thanks for replying to me anyways :)

Kakashi, Jiraiya, Sasuke have been equally, if not more, blunt with Naruto (ex. Wave arc, Tsunade arc). And unlike Sakura, all of this happened while Naruto was working hard but the results didn't follow up with him. If anything, Naruto had more reasons to become depressed, but instead, he trained harder. My point is, Sakura getting depressed is not Sasuke's problem, but only her own. It's not Sasuke's responsibility that Sakura cannot handle the truth. Nor is it his responsibility to forcefully train with somebody who doesn't want to train herself (if anything, that's Kakashi's job). And I'd say that Sasuke giving Sakura a wake-up call shows more concern than Kakashi, who did jackkitten about her situation.

I agree. While we shouldn't demonize Sasuke for what he did here, we shouldn't glofiry his compliment either. He didn't say anything to be mean or kind, I believe he just spoke his mind.

 

About Kakashi, it's is a very bad thing Kishi did with the series. The plot made it necessary for him to not do anything. Kakashi's not the only one that has been put in this situation either.

[FireFox]

Actually I was speaking in generally, but thanks for replying to me anyways :)

Kakashi, Jiraiya, Sasuke have been equally, if not more, blunt with Naruto (ex. Wave arc, Tsunade arc). And unlike Sakura, all of this happened while Naruto was working hard but the results didn't follow up with him. If anything, Naruto had more reasons to become depressed, but instead, he trained harder. My point is, Sakura getting depressed is not Sasuke's problem, but only her own. It's not Sasuke's responsibility that Sakura cannot handle the truth. Nor is it his responsibility to forcefully train with somebody who doesn't want to train herself (if anything, that's Kakashi's job). And I'd say that Sasuke giving Sakura a wake-up call shows more concern than Kakashi, who did jackkitten about her situation.

Also, his genjutsu compliment does override his comment earlier. If it didn't, she would have remained depressed and wouldn't have participated in the Chuunin exams.

Well I will cut this in short :))) , my point was that Sasuke's lack of attention and care for her feelings excludes any possibilities of SS having any chance of being canon when that's exactly what Sakura's looking and needs and Sasuke being Sasuke making her more then often fell low about herself doesn't help her at all since Sakura is  very sensitive and had a low self esteem , and that his Genjutsu compliment doesn't overrides all of the other times he was being an ass toward her for this pairing to actually has a chance of becoming canon , heck just look at the confession when Sakura tells herself how their relationship actually was (Why won't you say anything to me , you never say a single word to me yada yada ) SS dead right here that's all i was trying to say . And i doubt that if it wasn't for his Genjutsu compliment that she would have quit form taking the exams or failed them for that matter as she is a  very smart girl and she knew the answers right away even if the questions were very difficult . Sorry for any misunderstanding i hope i make myself clear . 

[Hanabi]

How suspicious of Kishimoto to have all those Sakura reaction panels 

 

*and another thing, how is Minato going to do the sealing without his hands? 

Obito's going to do the job now

[Kundalini_Master]

Overall I feel this chapter was really suspenseful and I personally has foreshadowed how Naruto will end up changing the world. I believe this chapter is setting up for some big things to occur in one or two chapters. We'll probably find out who saved Sasuke, and there may be a chance that Obito dies as well after doing something major.

[ramenanmitsu]

Well I will cut this in short :))) , my point was that Sasuke's lack of attention and care for her feelings excludes any possibilities of SS having any chance of being canon when that's exactly what Sakura's looking and needs and Sasuke being Sasuke making her more then often fell low about herself doesn't help her at all since Sakura is  very sensitive and had a low self esteem , and that his Genjutsu compliment doesn't overrides all of the other times he was being an ass toward her for this pairing to actually has a chance of becoming canon , heck just look at the confession when Sakura tells herself how their relationship actually was (Why won't you say anything to me , you never say a single word to me yada yada ) SS dead right here that's all i was trying to say . And i doubt that if it wasn't for his Genjutsu compliment that she would have quit form taking the exams or failed them for that matter as she is a  very smart girl and she knew the answers right away even if the questions were very difficult . Sorry for any misunderstanding i hope i make myself clear .

Oh okay, then I have nothing to argue against you since we're talking about different things (or are we?)

Imo, SS isn't dead because Sasuke has always been evil/uncaring/ass towards her, because he wasn't (at least in part one). SS is dead now mostly because Naruto has become a more important person to Sakura(whether romantically or not) than Sasuke is.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 23 February 2014 - 02:25 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Sasuke of Part 1 shouldn't be demonized so much IMO. He definitely cared about Sakura as a teammate/friend and not every single thing he said to her was mean. On a regular basis, Sasuke was more indifferent with her than anything. That doesn't mean he didn't care about her because we saw how he tried to protect her and cheered her up to make up for saying that she should train more instead of chasing after him. To be fair, I feel like Sasuke was super annoyed in that moment but he was just saying the truth. It made Sakura feel bad, but he made up for it by complimenting her abilities. IMO, that wasn't him being opportunistic. That was his attempt at being nice.

 

It's true there's a considerable lack of depth between his friendship with Sakura in Part 1 and his friendship with Naruto. Personally, I feel like Sakura set that up for herself. IMO, I feel like Sasuke found it hard to be around her sometimes because she was always so busy forcing her affection and never actually tried to just be his friend. That's what annoyed Sasuke and I'm pretty sure her submissive/idolization with him bothered him too. Maybe that's partially why his bond with Naruto is deeper. Sakura just never treated him normally and since he really didn't want her attention, it made him create some distance with her (IMO).

 

But none of this stopped Sasuke from being her friend/teammate even if it wasn't a special bond. When she confessed to him, he showed some decency enough to listen and even lied at first about not remembering he called her "annoying" in front of the bench to maybe make her feel a tiny bit better (It back-fired, but still). When she told him she loved him, Sasuke said "You're annoying" as sort of a joke (you can tell by the smirk on his face) and then thanked her for caring even though he didn't change his mind. I still feel like that scene with Sakura was one of his best moments.

 

None of this means SS will happen though. It's very clear Sakura was the first bond of T7 he severed entirely and that the only person who really cares about is Naruto. Sasuke saved her with Naruto recently and acknowledged her abilities with a smirk because he respects power, but does not show remorse for nearly killing her. He's just entirely indifferent like in Part 1's beginning. That's hardly impressive. And Sakura might have love/feelings for Sasuke, but she doesn't want to be with him and her relationship with Naruto is already a very large threat.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 23 February 2014 - 03:18 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

Can I ask, why are we even looking at part 1 Sasuke in the first place? It's has no correlation to how Sasuke is now and honestly, it is pointless. Sure, he wasn't as much of a jerkass to her in part one, but he was still a jerk to her from time to time and has gotten worse between then and now. The fact that people hold on to this view point of the characters in Part 1, is the very reason why people think there is no such thing as development in this manga.

Really, tell me how does looking at Part 1 Sasuke help determine anything at this point?

Further more, it is really hard for me to believe that Sasuke cherished his friends as anything more than a means to a goal. If he cherished them that much, then he wouldn't have left the village or did what he had done. I just have a hard time accepting anything else because of how he is now. If it was a reverse, then maybe I can understand, but now he literally tells them "I don't care." We even have Kishimoto who admits Sasuke was always in it for himself. Not good nor evil. That tells me that he doesn't really care UNLESS it gets him what he wants.

This is why it was so easy for him to leave the village. I am starting to wonder if even those "bonds" exist.

I think the Doctor said it best.
"You let one of them go but that's nothing new. Every now and then a little victim's spared because she smiled, 'cause he's got freckles. 'Cause they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions. Because once in awhile—on a whim, if the wind's in the right direction—you happen to be kind."

Edited by James S Cassidy, 23 February 2014 - 07:09 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

@James S. Cassidy:

 

Your opinion of Sasuke in Part 1 seems overly harsh. Sasuke did care about Team 7. There were far from just a means to an end to him, especially for Naruto's case. At first, definitely. In fact, he viewed both Naruto and Sakura as people who would just slow him down and would be no help to him at all to reach his goals. He thought they were weak and that he was so much better than both of them. (It's ironic how this is still Sasuke's problem in Part 2; his arrogance)

 

If Sasuke only saw them as a means to a goal, then he wouldn't of nearly died for Naruto from Haku. That was easily one of Sasuke's rare selfless moments. He gave up his dream to kill Itachi just because Naruto would live and he accepted it. And he protected Sakura a few times too and even said he didn't want to see his comrades dying right in front of him again. In that moment, he specifically put T7 on par with his deceased family. They were all family to him, even if he showed in a rude and indifferent way at times.   (That's kinda why I've always seen SasuSaku as unlikely. Sasuke probably viewed Sakura more as a sister than a love interest. He has really messed up ideas of family, but I digress)

 

I never questioned that leaving the village hurt Sasuke far more than he showed, but it was proved in the VotE it was losing Naruto's bond that hurt him the most. He tried killing him and repeatedly talked down on him, but in the end he couldn't kill Naruto to gain power like Itachi had. What's most interesting is that the moment he said it was too late for him to turn back to T7, he awakened the 3rd tomoe in his Sharingan. Doesn't that only happen under severe pain and mental stress? That's how Uchihas get stronger, right?

 

I know Sasuke's not who he was in Part 1 and never will be completely, but we all know he will get redeemed so that's why talking about "good" Sasuke is a little relevant. Though there's not much a question for me that all the darkness Sasuke has gone through in  just four years, he will never be same even when he's "good" and cares about T7 like before.

 

And I will always say while Sasuke is officially "indifferent" to Sakura again right now, his relationship with Naruto is far more complex. Some part of Sasuke cares about Naruto in Part 2 and always has, but then there's a part that hates him too (He prefers to show the latter). You can't really label Sasuke's feelings for Naruto like it's black-and-white because it just isn't.