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[Nostradamus]

@Nate River Agreed Izanami doesn't really make sense nor does the explanation on how it works. The whole A,B,C thing it sounded like math. Kishi tried to give us an intelligent explanation to a ridiculous technique. I understood the message he was trying to teach us but the explanation made the message seem like an afterthought.

Edited by Nostradamus, 13 February 2014 - 03:40 PM.

[dejavu]

You know, with this scene you remembered me of something.

As we all know, after Naruto fought Gaara, Sakura wanted to thank Sasuke.

So what if it goes like that: Naruto thanks his father for saving him and tells him the same words as he told Kushina, that he's happy yadda yadda and Minato does exactly like Sasuke did with Sakura... 
Something like "Don't thank me... Thank her! - while watching at Sakura - To keep you alive this girl risked everything" or something along the lines...

OMFG if that happens, I'll die!

 

No Chatte! you can't die without seeing their child! lol

that will be very sweet..

 

I feel so selfish for daydreaming about Minato-Sakura interaction when Naruto is a vegetable.. and now you're feeding me with this hoho~ 

 

But what if it will be Sakura doing some reassurance to Minato? SakuMina ftw

Afterall both of them seems to need/want Naruto's acknowledgement.

With Minato and his "failures" to protect his family

and Sakura with her "I can only do the dumbest thing for Naruto"

 

Then afterwards, can Minato do a "Yamato"? 

 

"Sakura....actually you...........have confidence issues" lol

 

Ohh Kishi please....

 

I know these are a bit of a stretch but hey.. you can get a flashback and stuffs with Neji doing and 'ok sign' at critical moments why not?

Edited by hello panda, 13 February 2014 - 02:28 PM.

[Hiraishin]

It might be cheesy but I'd like Naruto to openly acknowledge his father, i mean..i think Minato NEEDS IT.
That guy is probably in shambles already when he sealed the kyuubi on his own son and was not able to save his wife, then comes THIS.
Naruto even punched him the first time. I know boys in this manga "talks with their fist" but whatevs... i'll be happy for Minato if he will get some sort of acknowledgment from his son. not just with "i guess i'm fine since my dad is a hokage"

I feel the same way. Poor Minato, I feel sorry for him, getting punched like that. I hope there is a tender moment between them, probably during their goodbye scene... Ack. ;A;

 "Sakura....actually you...........have confidence issues" lol

Edited by Hiraishin, 13 February 2014 - 03:11 PM.

[harry4e]

All of you saying that the Kyuubi's chakra and the Gold and Silver brothers aren't in the pot you are correct. I forgot that the Gold and Silver brothers were Edo Tensei and they vanished when Itachi released the technique and I forgot that Naruto pulled all the Bijuu's from Obito even Kurama's part. So the pot and gourd will be used to seal Madara, unless Kishi decides that the Kyuubi's chakra is still in the pot and gourd which doesn't really make sense like most of you pointed out. So in the end Obito gaining control of his body might actually happen.

 

While it is correct, the part about the Kyuubi Chakra within the Gold and Silver brothers is questionable at best...unlike a Jinchuriki where the Bijuu is sealed within the host, the Gold and Silver brothers got the chakra by eating the flesh of the Kyuubi when they were in his stomach...and from what I understood that essentially made them part Kyubbi themselves, so it's entirely possible even with the chakra extracted from them they might still be capable of generating Kyuubi chakra themselves.

 

The reason I say this is, that Gaara who had the One Tails extracted from him could no longer go Bijuu-mode, and no longer use it's power (as it turned out the sand power was actually inherited) where Gold and Silver brother could still go Bijuu-mode even without the Kyuubi sealed within them, and this is years after they were in the Beast and their own death. So where is the Chakra coming from? they don't have a Bijuu within them to replenish any lost chakra so it's possible that they themselves are capable of producing the Kyuubi Chakra. So as long as they are still sealed  inside thepot they can still generate more.

 

Ofcourse I could be completely off and what ends up happenning is that while Lee and Gai fight Madara, Tenten with Gaara (warning new pairing fandom being created, Gaa/Ten incoming) and could use the weapon to seal away the black Zetsu (Gaara can disrupt his sneaky ground attacks and Tenten can make arial attacks a nuisance.) so Obito gains control and gives the other half of the Kyuubi to Naruto.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, Team Gai scenario could be a one trick pony moment that can happen in the next chapter. If we all recall, Madara can't be touched as a Jinchuuriki. I can see Gaara and Kakashi trying to stop him, but Minato tells them that they need to be in sage mode for nature chakra. Then, the sneak attack of the tools work as Madara gets caught but didn't work completely, yet Kakashi/Gaara/Minato takes back the Kuruma and Madara will try but perhaps Minato, Sakura, and Naruto will disappear by something (maybe Obito wakes up for one last Kamui). But that's just a guess.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 13 February 2014 - 04:37 PM.

[sushi.]

I don't even remember Madara eating the pot in the first place :v

[redragon88]

Anybody has a clue on how to save Naruto?

 

It seems the only option is to take Dark Kurama back from Black Zetzu. I have no idea on how they can do that.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't even remember Madara eating the pot in the first place :v

It was still inside of Juubi, but since it has the actual Kuruma (yang), it's no need anymore, hence heavy.

[六道仙人]

Anybody has a clue on how to save Naruto?

 

It seems the only option is to take Dark Kurama back from Black Zetzu. I have no idea on how they can do that.

 

Another possible scenario is that Obito manages to take possession of his faculties and then seal the yin kurama inside of Naruto.

[redragon88]

 

Another possible scenario is that Obito manages to take possession of his faculties and then seal the yin kurama inside of Naruto.

 

But isn't Dark Kurama inside Black Zetsu?

 

Black Zetsu has a body of his own that he reshapes in order to control Obito's body.

 

Now that it's confirmed that there's no Kurama chakra inside the Rikudo tools, the situation really is in high tension, isn't it?

[sushi.]

It was still inside of Juubi, but since it has the actual Kuruma (yang), it's no need anymore, hence heavy.

I see, I but it was so weird. x) I laughed out loud when he just spit it out. I didn't think he could do it directly just by sealing a bijuu with the pot inside of it.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

To those who think the Rikudo weapons have Kurama's charkra from the brothers:

 

 

As it's shown here during Obito's tug-of-war, that little part of Kurama's chakra was also pulled out along with Gyuki's tentacle chakra.

 

It seems the only way to save Naruto really is to get Dark Kurama back from Black Zetsu.

 

So now what?

 

 

Man, it looks like the options for saving Naruto are really limited.  I'm kind of at a loss now, the only thing I can think of is that Obito may be able to take control back from black Zetsu long enough to use Rinne Tensei, but I just really don't know.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I see, I but it was so weird. x) I laughed out loud when he just spit it out. I didn't think he could do it directly just by sealing a bijuu with the pot inside of it.

Well, it could work like a flash drive, where the data are stored. So in this case, it could be for Bijuus.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Man, it looks like the options for saving Naruto are really limited.  I'm kind of at a loss now, the only thing I can think of is that Obito may be able to take control back from black Zetsu long enough to use Rinne Tensei, but I just really don't know.

I know.

In short we can all sense the smell of an asspull coming.

[Strangelove]

I will say this...Sasuke will not get the rinnegan. Why? because Madara has the rinnegan, and apparently Sasuke has to surpass Madara...what Sasuke will get is the eye of the Shinso. [Did I spelled that right.] and the ability to cast Infinite Tsukuyomi on people.

 

We have seen what the Rinnegan can do...but that is just not his thing.

[Inferno180]

All of you saying that the Kyuubi's chakra and the Gold and Silver brothers aren't in the pot you are correct. I forgot that the Gold and Silver brothers were Edo Tensei and they vanished when Itachi released the technique and I forgot that Naruto pulled all the Bijuu's from Obito even Kurama's part. So the pot and gourd will be used to seal Madara, unless Kishi decides that the Kyuubi's chakra is still in the pot and gourd which doesn't really make sense like most of you pointed out. So in the end Obito gaining control of his body might actually happen.

 

Dude you forgot about when Kabuto released the edo tensei, Obito put the pot in after the technique was released. By all acounts this would mean the brothers just vanished and the pot and gourd only had the brothers chakra, therefore, this would either reduce the moment on Guy and Lee to simple one time comedy or the oversimplified means of Madara's defeat.

 

It is too hard to believe that Madara will just be defeated by being sealed up.

 

As for the extraction, nothing said it was the entirety of the nine tails chakra. Remember Obito was an imperfect host due to the missing poritions of Gyuki and subsitute by means of the brothers.

 

Basically by all this, we need to conclude that the pots override the release seal of the edo tensei, if the brothers did in fact vanish and only the chakra was there as saying again, Naruto is as good as dead. Sakura doesn't have the technique of revival, there are many reasons why sakura dying is a bad choice on kishis part and yes these impacts on story, NS and NH are tremendous.

 

What should this really mean? Its more evident that the brothers are still in the pot, Remember unlike anyone else, the brothers had the power infused into them as supplementing their own natural chakra, they are like naruto without the presence of kurama, basically the ideal jinchurki, all the power none of the tailed beast risks. The power infused onto them became their own, as it was in life. This means that if the edo tensei is still working on them, unconnected by Kabuto, they are still present in there with their power. Basically right now they are the same as when madara was in edo tensei after the release the pot and gourd severed the connection to obito, but they are just weaker than madara and only have to stick around for the heroes to take them for their energy.

 

Basically we need to think of the pot and gourd like a thing of batteries, they still have the power, just because they removed the power from obito didn't necessarily mean it was all taken, remember its the brothers supplying it, after these past chapters, it was just hanging around in there, they are edo tensei, this means no chakra limit, so whatever was collected wasn't necessarily removed for good. Madara has both Kurama and Gyuki and as far as things went, madaras most likely going to become perfect.

 

Again remember what I keep posting about the sage? Some time after their creation, the young tailed beasts were told that they were all still linked to one another despite being separate entities. Hagoromo also told them that would eventually become one again, yet not as they originally were, and that one shall appear at that time to show them what true power is.

 

isn't this situation of Naruto getting blocked the revival from Yin Kurama only to have another save drop literally out of the sky, doesn't this seem so overly suspicious and just placement for not only what the sage said to occur but also save naruto? If the sage stuff really is true, then yeah Yin Kurama would have to be taken by Madara only for the new save to be discovered.

 

Can anyone seriously tell me that they think that madara would be defeated simply by tricking him into saying his name, can you seriously expect that to occur? This guy has all the power, knowledge of the sage and his tools more than any, just imagine how anticlimactic it would be if he was not only beaten by such a simple task, but if even the pot itself was the key the whole time. Do people seriously expect this one tool to be the answer to everything? It could hold a tailed beast but the whole ten tails? If that was the case, WHY DIDN'T THE SA DEPLOY THIS THING EARILER! THEY COULD HAVE SOLVED EVERYTHING WITH IT! JUST TRICKING ENEMIES INTO SAYING THEIR NAMES! THIS WAR WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER SO LONG AGO IF THEY DID THAT!

 

The pots are not empty, they very much do contain the brothers or the energy at least to revive naruto. You know what I expect? The brothers are there, kishi makes them fodder to save naruto, minato or so takes the energy, bam naruto is revived. The brothers pissed at whats happening, they make the mistake of attacking madara, they get reduced to nothing so we finally see a true example of one in edo tensei actually killed.

 

Seriously things are likely to be this simple. I could always be wrong but things are just sticking out so much right now, what else could you call it on?

Edited by Inferno180, 13 February 2014 - 11:16 PM.

[sushi.]

^In short, are you saying that they might not have been sealed along with the others, because they were already sealed in the pot?

Because that is a possibility..

[Inferno180]

^In short, are you saying that they might not have been sealed along with the others, because they were already sealed in the pot?

Because that is a possibility..

 

Many on Naruto wiki long suspected that the effects of the pot and gourd blocked the release effect when Kabuto ended the edo tensei. This essentially severed their contract to Kabuto making them unbound immortals like Madara was.

 

Really going back to my younger days when I played Yu-gi-oh, i commonly call this the spell speed effect, in action series what has more priority over what? Its just a situation like this.

 

I'm really just going on with stuff that kishi had left behind, I mean all of us know, to look at the future, you need to look at the past, its like in any zelda game, you get stuck, you need to retrace yoursteps to find a path you didnt take before or use an item that didn't have purpose at one area. In reading, yes look at the past, not the present. Many clues are coming back here and there, if the mysterous guy is kabuto or shisui and if yamato really is in that zetsu, well it saves us the need of some hunt after the war now doesn't it?

 

I mean seriously, how can people expect naruto to be revived being so hard but also expect madara to be defeated so easy? It just don't add up. I'm not trying to be high and mighty here, but this is just a highly practical situation and analysis taking in the other occurrences right now based on what will most likely happen. The pots were dropped for a reason, otherwise its Yin kurama who gets saved. Its just one or the other, and madara didn't need the pots, heck don't be suprised next chapter when Black Zetsu mentions the other half of kurama and if Madara said he felt something was off about the "other" kurama chakra.

[Otaru]

 

While it is correct, the part about the Kyuubi Chakra within the Gold and Silver brothers is questionable at best...unlike a Jinchuriki where the Bijuu is sealed within the host, the Gold and Silver brothers got the chakra by eating the flesh of the Kyuubi when they were in his stomach...and from what I understood that essentially made them part Kyubbi themselves, so it's entirely possible even with the chakra extracted from them they might still be capable of generating Kyuubi chakra themselves.

 

BOLDED PART : That would be an even bigger asspull than Kin/Gin themselves. Please. Kishi. Just. No.

 

I don't even remember Madara eating the pot in the first place :v

 

The pot was eaten by the Gedo Mazo.

Then the Gedo Mazo became Juubi.

And now Juubi is inside Madara.

That's why he can spit those tools now.

 

 

What should this really mean? Its more evident that the brothers are still in the pot, Remember unlike anyone else, the brothers had the power infused into them as supplementing their own natural chakra, they are like naruto without the presence of kurama, basically the ideal jinchurki, all the power none of the tailed beast risks. The power infused onto them became their own, as it was in life. This means that if the edo tensei is still working on them, unconnected by Kabuto, they are still present in there with their power. Basically right now they are the same as when madara was in edo tensei after the release the pot and gourd severed the connection to obito, but they are just weaker than madara and only have to stick around for the heroes to take them for their energy.

 

I have to say : if those brothers are still in the pot/gourd with kyuubi chakra in them, It will be the biggest plot hole of all this manga. Enormous asspull.

Edited by Otaru, 14 February 2014 - 01:00 AM.

[Inferno180]

 

BOLDED PART : That would be an even bigger asspull than Kin/Gin themselves. Please. Kishi. Just. No.

 

 

The pot was eaten by the Gedo Mazo.

Then the Gedo Mazo became Juubi.

And now Juubi is inside Madara.

That's why he can spit those tools now.

 

 

 

I have to say : if those brothers are still in the pot/gourd with kyuubi chakra in them, It will be the biggest plot hole of all this manga. Enormous asspull.

 

Not really an asspull, again Obito threw the pots in after Kabuto released the edo tensei knowing he failed so while it was releasing, then by that count the brothers would have vanished in that moment of the release and the ten tails revival would never have occured but they didnt, either only the energy is left or the brothers are still in the gourd left unbound like madara was. Because they were in the juubi at the time, their contract was severed from kabuto so they didn't vanish. They could vanish very easily after minato takes the energy and madara reduces them to nothing.

 

Madara spit out the tools because of the energy they contained, though he was puzzled, remember this, he knew obito activated the ten tails revival but didnt know the full reasons for why it was occuring when he saw the eight and 9 tails still on the outside. As anything else, remember obito used the brothers as a sub for kurama.

 

In the long run, the brothers were made as plot armor for naruto,  it was a way for Naruto to fight the ten tails without dying but now its the exact reverse. At this point, it could be assumed that if either a tailed beast or a large porition of its chakra could be enough to offset the extraction toll which would lead to death, in any other case it could also be assumed kurama took a wild guess in saving naruto from death. Whatever happens, i'd say its easier to roll with it then complain about it, we just got a black zetsu troll event from naruto being revived so you honestly think anything else will happen?

 

Again naruto's recovery is either

- They recapture Yin Kurama, maybe obito can use this against black zetsu

-They use the brothers in the pots,

 

again 2 sources of 9 tails energy, at this point would make sense how naruto revives, the brothers are unique in that they are psuedo jinchurki, in essence, naruto reviving with the nine tails power but not kurama himself does lead to the event of new forms for the tailed beast after this fight too.

 

Really remember how a new era is supposed to start, one the new generation does? Well if a world ninja peace event is coming after all this, then it goes along with the whole stuff the sage predicted, true peace, new stuff on the tailed beasts, etc.

Edited by Inferno180, 14 February 2014 - 01:15 AM.