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[DattebayoXShannaro]

But now, to the actual legit topic, I can't really answer you there because I want the manga to take me this ride. I won't open my mouth for anything. I will just wait for a week. Period. Sorry.

 

Yeah, I'm the same.  I don't want to speculate on whether or not he accepts.  I just want to wait to find out.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Yeah, I'm the same.  I don't want to speculate on whether or not he accepts.  I just want to wait to find out.

Indeed, though I find myself to be a guy who can curse the outcome, so I'll be quiet.

[KnS]

Obito is the false Sage of the Six Paths much like Nagato was the false child of prophecy.

 

Yep.  This is what I tried to say in my lame post on the last chapter.  Obito captured the biju and has been using them for his own purposes and against their will, while the biju actually cooperate with Naruto by their own will.

 

You make a good point that first there was a false child of prophecy, and now the false Sage.  If there is to be another Sage, it has to be Naruto.

 

As for the rest of the chapter, I thought it was great.  It might not have been NS straight up, but it was definitely... NS-flavored.  Rin was depicted as being very similar to Sakura -- not only in looks and expressions, but attitude.  It made complete sense that she was supporting Obito as a serious friend, but one whose feelings for him were very deep.  Because even though we know she thought she loved Kakashi at that time, she clearly loved Obito as well.  

 

Someone has already mentioned this, I'm sure, but I couldn't help but notice:

 

 

Like Kushina and Sakura, Rin-chan does the same arm/fist move.  

 

And then there was Naruto's comment to Obito, "I don't want to know an easy shortcut.  I want to know how to walk down a steep path."  Which has included loving Sakura so much that he has resolutely put her happiness before his own, and been determined to bring Sasuke back even if it means she'd never realize how Naruto feels.  

 

Yes, it was a lovely chapter.  I did get the feeling that Kishimoto is making every effort to hold back the big reveal -- or any more significant NS hints -- until he must.  He tries to be such a sly boots.  

[redragon88]

As for the rest of the chapter, I thought it was great.  It might not have been NS straight up, but it was definitely... NS-flavored.  Rin was depicted as being very similar to Sakura -- not only in looks and expressions, but attitude.  It made complete sense that she was supporting Obito as a serious friend, but one whose feelings for him were very deep.  Because even though we know she thought she loved Kakashi at that time, she clearly loved Obito as well.  

 

I'm surprised to see this perspective from you since not to long ago I think you said that it would be better if Rin had only loved Kakashi, but now you're saying she only thought she loved him. Could it be that the scenes of Obito's memories of Rin in the course of this year made you changed your mind about ObiRin?

 

For a while now I've personally had the certainty that if tragedy hadn't strucked Obito and Rin that they would've surely ended up together. Ever since we had that flashback of Minato telling kid Obito to not give up on Rin it was pretty telling that Obito simply needed to keep it up so that Rin could come to love him.

 

You know it's pretty serious when Minato Namikaze give his seal of approval to pairings, and so far the only ones to have it are NaruSaku and ObiRin.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I stand that if Obito achieve his dream while Rin is alive, I think they would have gotten together. It's the gaiden moment that changed everything, let alone Obito spending time with Madara. Yes, Madara helped him to get up, but the idea of who's right was playing with Obito's mind. Real shame.

[Mistraal]

it's pretty normal that Naruto recalled Neji's death here because at Naruto's side, the only thing that can be almost compared to Rin's death for Obito is that Neji's in fact. Neji is the only friend of Naruto who has died. Sakura is still alive and Naruto doesn't be able to understand how's the death's meaning of a person that he loves.

Hm...Naruto doesn't know Kakashi killed Rin yet.

Sasuke almost killing Sakura? Naruto saving her?

I think parallel is still to come.

[rocci]

Naruto : come join us, join NS fanclub. Here sit down beside my father.

Obito. : am I the last one?

Naruto : No....(look at sasuke)....soon

[catsi563]

Well most likely see NaruSaku confirmed for one basic reason.

As with all the parallels we have gotten, the parallels come in Confirmaiton of the pairing not before.

 

Basically we have a NaruSaku moment, then we get a parallel confirming the moment.

Examples include the rescue, the Obi Rin stuff, the shes like Kushina stuff.

 

All of these parallels happened well after the events they parallel.

 

this has been a consistent pattern for Kishimoto sensei in this regard.

[Don-kun]

If the claims regarding NH comparing OR to thier couple is true then I will say that they are really desperate for something that will give them an advantage over NS, even when there wasn't any pairing hint in this chapter when you see Rin she reminds you so much of how Sakura behave when it comes to Naruto.

I might not be participating much on the forum mainly because I have to pay to much for internet, anyway the times I get a chance to read on what is going on and what takes place after this chapter I can say that some people are not wort paying somuch attention, make them believe what the want, it's kind of sad because the Manga and the Anime give us so much hint about the final pairing to believe that at this stage we stil having this type of discutions. :(

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I stand that if Obito achieve his dream while Rin is alive, I think they would have gotten together. It's the gaiden moment that changed everything, let alone Obito spending time with Madara. Yes, Madara helped him to get up, but the idea of who's right was playing with Obito's mind. Real shame.

Obviously after Kakashi rejecting Rin and saying that Obito loved her and giving a wake up call that he tried to abandon her if Obito didnt intervenied is kinda obvious they would had gotten together.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 October 2013 - 12:37 PM.

[sushi.]

Hm...Naruto doesn't know Kakashi killed Rin yet.

Sasuke almost killing Sakura? Naruto saving her?

I think parallel is still to come.

I predicted Obito will start questioning Naruto on his perspectives, asking him is he's felt spesifically what he has. This might become more of a Team 7 parallel than a OR/NS one though. When Naruto brought Rin up, he mentioned Minato and Kakashi as well. If they'll talk about her as an individual and what she meant to Obito, it might be later on..the climax of the TnJ because that's what hits him right in the heart.

 

btw; Did Obito witness Naruto saving Sakura from Sasuke or did he arrive right after? I always comes right after NS moments, just like 631.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If the claims regarding NH comparing OR to thier couple is true then I will say that they are really desperate for something that will give them an advantage over NS, even when there wasn't any pairing hint in this chapter when you see Rin she reminds you so much of how Sakura behave when it comes to Naruto.

I might not be participating much on the forum mainly because I have to pay to much for internet, anyway the times I get a chance to read on what is going on and what takes place after this chapter I can say that some people are not wort paying somuch attention, make them believe what the want, it's kind of sad because the Manga and the Anime give us so much hint about the final pairing to believe that at this stage we stil having this type of discutions. :(

Hey, it's great to see you again. It's sad that you got to pay in order to use internet, which prevents you to do many tasks using it. Well, so long everything is ok with you.

 

Obviously after Kakashi rejecting Rin and saying that Obito loved her and giving a wake up call that he tried to abandon her if Obito didnt intervenied is kinda obvious they would had gotten together.

Yeah. That is true.

 

I predicted Obito will start questioning Naruto on his perspectives, asking him is he's felt spesifically what he has. This might become more of a Team 7 parallel than a OR/NS one though. When Naruto brought Rin up, he mentioned Minato and Kakashi as well. If they'll talk about her as an individual and what she meant to Obito, it might be later on..the climax of the TnJ because that's what hits him right in the heart.

 

btw; Did Obito witness Naruto saving Sakura from Sasuke or did he arrive right after? I always comes right after NS moments, just like 631.

Well, it does seem like Obito does know the connection with Naruto's "Kakashi" and "Minato", just not "Rin". It's the reason why Obito keeps bringing up Sasuke as a traitor. I do think he would connect it if he turns good not far from his death, though I do think the "Rin" aspect would be more of the surprise to him than anything. Looking at the chapter, Obito was really focused on Rin more than anything. Naruto was there to open the gates of truth for Obito. It's like how Tobi did to Sasuke everytime Sasuke tried to deny that Itachi was the good guy out of the two. So Naruto pretty much explained the dream (no shortcuts), the consequences on escaping reality (the world hates you), and still have the old you buried (the reason why he won against Juubi).

 

Also, he showed up after Naruto saving Sakura. It would be funny that Kishi would input movie scenes to make it officially canon.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 30 October 2013 - 02:24 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

This irks me because as long as the manga is about peace, it is about politics and I can't imagine the eternal peace with this government. In fact, all villages needs a whole new lawsystem. Naruto can make everyone love eachother, but as long as the source of all the corruption is still there, it won't ever stop.

 

Naruto can TnJ people while Sai, Shikamaru and/or Sakura go repair the system. They have brainpower and experience, but so far it's only a pleseant headcanon with little foreshadowing. I think Minato said something about fixing the system, and the ANBU is set up to change. That's the adressed issues, the rest are ignored. Shinobis only have 12 years secured education of kunai throwing and who knows how little math, the villages have their own torture and interregation force and like you said..child soldiers. Learning to kill at that age is bad for the psyche. But the ignored issues doesn't seem to have a bad influence on any of the rookies so far, no matter how unrealistic it is. That's why it's more of a personal frustration than criticism.

 

Exactly how I feel. Naruto wants to achieve ultimate peace in the world, ending the cycle of hatred by making everyone understand each other, that's great, but hardly realistic. How is he even going to go about accomplishing this? By simply "not giving up?" Eternal peace is just not plausible to me, you can't force everyone to see eye to eye, because oftentimes, people don't want to see things another way, I know it's what Kishi's aiming for, but the logistics of it just don't fit. This is still a world that brings children up as child soldiers, run by militaristic government. 

 

For f**cks sakes... I can't enjoy Tumblr anymore because all I see are parallels. Yes, I especially mean NaruHina/ObiRin in the NaruSaku tag. GO AWAY.

 

okignoretherage   I really enjoyed this chapter! I'm gaining a soft spot for Rin. Buuuuut... is it just me... I just want this war to end already. LOL.

 

No, you're definitely not alone. I'm so ready to have this war arc finish already.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 30 October 2013 - 06:38 PM.

[MangaReader]

Second week I review something... I'm on Fire

 

Chapter was full of feels, even if talking in an action manga is boring. So continue's the the Talk no Jutsu solving every issue

Anyway, I don't care what any pairing fanbase thinks, there is no way to logically dispute the parallels between Rin and Sakura. But the hypocrisy outside of this fanbase (NaruSaku) is uncharacteristically strong... Rin does absolutely nothing and is already classed as a bad@ss... Sakura hatred runs strong likely out of fear now XD 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Exactly how I feel. Naruto wants to achieve ultimate peace in the world, ending the cycle of hatred by making everyone understand each other, that's great, but hardly realistic. How is he even going to go about accomplishing this? By simply "not giving up?" Eternal peace is just not plausible to me, you can't force everyone to see eye to eye, because oftentimes, people don't want to see things another way, I know it's what Kishi's aiming for, but the logistics of it just don't fit. This is still a world that brings children up as child soldiers, run by militaristic government. 

 

 

Yep the same, since that the villages maintain itself perfoming missions which are dangerous and involve killing bandits, escort and hunt missing ninjas which doesnt show an example that the world is now peacefull.

Which sounds to me that there will be another arc, in fact Sasuke is one step ahead on this matter since he heard the kages and probably has some idea on his mind, Naruto is not after this task yet, the whole peace subject hasnt even bought up on this whole battle agains Obito, Obito was just wanting Naruto to give up and peace subtopic was put behind, it's not being empashized as it should be and Obito never asked how Naruto would bring peace ot the world.

Obito sounded way more dull on his task on wanting to Naruto give up rather than arguing about their views off a better world.

 

In the end Obito became a retard who just wanted to run away from himself, by declaring a war and killing thousands off people just to prove that Naruto is wrong and he would give up of kitten happens on his life, but now as he failed hard turned the whole war meaningless, by giving up this plan and restrained himself from winning the fight, because Obito was way more stronger than Naruto and Sasuke he got defeated because he give up.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 October 2013 - 06:43 PM.

[LadyGT]

I kind of feel that the next chapter will cover the rest of flashbacks that happened in the "Tobi is Obito" chapter. Last chapter's were Hokage-centred, maybe next week's will be about his relationships with Kakashi and Rin, or about Rin's death incident, who knows.

[BlueStarSaber]

Second week I review something... I'm on Fire
 
Chapter was full of feels, even if talking in an action manga is boring. So continue's the the Talk no Jutsu solving every issue
Anyway, I don't care what any pairing fanbase thinks, there is no way to logically dispute the parallels between Rin and Sakura. But the hypocrisy outside of this fanbase (NaruSaku) is uncharacteristically strong... Rin does absolutely nothing and is already classed as a bad@ss... Sakura hatred runs strong likely out of fear now XD

Come to think of it their are a lot Sakura & Rin threads on the NarutoBase ever since the chapter came out.

Edited by BlueStarSaber, 30 October 2013 - 08:16 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I kind of feel that the next chapter will cover the rest of flashbacks that happened in the "Tobi is Obito" chapter. Last chapter's were Hokage-centred, maybe next week's will be about his relationships with Kakashi and Rin, or about Rin's death incident, who knows.

I hope Kakashi comes back but i think only after the TnJ.

[arian_rad]

I kind of feel that the next chapter will cover the rest of flashbacks that happened in the "Tobi is Obito" chapter. Last chapter's were Hokage-centred, maybe next week's will be about his relationships with Kakashi and Rin, or about Rin's death incident, who knows.

I see 3 possibilities that can happen next chapter and these are all my guesses. 1st possibility is that obito does in fact accept Naruto's hand and with that the focus switches back to the battlefield. 2. Obito does not accept Naruto's hand and starts making the talk more personal talking to him about sasuke and sakura. 3. Obito doesn't take Naruto's hand and the focus switches to the battlefield.

Btw is it me or did anyone notice naruto is literally walking in circles around obito? It's like he's playing cop and robber with him. Lool

[LadyGT]

I hope Kakashi comes back but i think only after the TnJ.

Yeah I think he will show up after the TnJ, so probably in 2 chapters? From the preview it looks like we will get Obito's final answer...it kind of stinks though.