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[BakeNeko-Chan]

that was never explained is an assumption, the reason why this whole "Jinchuuriki dies when their bijuus" get removed was never fully explored and on the ninja world we know that there's always an exception.

There's no absolute rule.

 

If her life force had been sucked out she would have the appearance of an old woman much like Nagato after he used Rinne Tensei.

 

Again, you are screwing my words around. I DID NOT SAY HER LIFE FORCE WAS SUCKED OUT. Was that clear enough for you? I said a jinchuriki's life force is tied to the bijuu, and I am quite sure to was mentioned somewhere, though unfortunately I can't remember where exactly. 

 

You are also assuming by saying Kushina would have survived, when again, there is nothing in the manga that even indicates it. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Again, you are screwing my words around. I DID NOT SAY HER LIFE FORCE WAS SUCKED OUT. Was that clear enough for you? I said a jinchuriki's life force is tied to the bijuu, and I am quite sure to was mentioned somewhere, though unfortunately I can't remember where exactly. 

 

You are also assuming by saying Kushina would have survived, when again, there is nothing in the manga that even indicates it. 

If her life force is tied to the bijuu obviously she lose it anyway, and if she loses it she would appear like an old woman and gaara would look old, much like Nagato's status after he used his Rinne Tensei on which he used his life force.
Kyuubi's chakra is full of life force which even replenished Nagato's life force but he was an edo tensei.

 

To add evne when Tsunade uses her forbidden technique she loses a part of her life force on which her real appearance she looks way more older than Jiraiya despite being a senju.

To finish off, this topic didnt got a closure and Kishi didnt fully explained all this on purpose to probably finish it off later because we dont even know why they die.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 25 October 2013 - 07:39 PM.

[Jake]

If her life force is tied to the bijuu obviously she lose it anyway, and if she loses it she would appear like an old woman and gaara would look old, much like Nagato's status after he used his Rinne Tensei on which he used his life force.
Kyuubi's chakra is full of life force which even replenished Nagato's life force but he was an edo tensei.

 

Nagato absorbed Gyuki's chakra not Kurama's

[BakeNeko-Chan]

If her life force is tied to the bijuu obviously she lose it anyway, and if she loses it she would appear like an old woman and gaara would look old, much like Nagato's status after he used his Rinne Tensei on which he used his life force.
Kyuubi's chakra is full of life force which even replenished Nagato's life force but he was an edo tensei.

 

 Frankly, I just don't know where you're pulling your logic from. Renne tensei and bijuu extraction are entirely different things, why are you trying to use the comparison as a basis for your argument? It just doesn't make sense, nor does it prove your point. This conversation is a headache I just don't need. Good day.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

 Frankly, I just don't know where you're pulling your logic from. Renne tensei and bijuu extraction are entirely different things, why are you trying to use the comparison as a basis for your argument? It just doesn't make sense, nor does it prove your point. This conversation is a headache I just don't need. Good day.

yes they are but relies on the life force which you used as an argument, when someome loses it the person gets old and die, and the jinchuurikis didnt get old despite "their life force being tied up to the bijuus".

Good day.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 25 October 2013 - 07:48 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Nagato absorbed Gyuki's chakra not Kurama's

Yep i checked it now my bad he used human path on Naruto and preta path on Killer Bee, he absorbed a bijuu chakra and it somehow restored his life force.

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Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 25 October 2013 - 08:03 PM.

[rocci]

@ns4life
What do you mean by split?

[TouKen4Life3g]

@ns4life
What do you mean by split?

I feel like this arc is the conclusion to the Bijuus' dilemma with humans and everything. Naruto got their trusts and vice versa. So that said will he let Kuruma go? I mean it is used for Tobi and his evil plan, but if it's over, will Naruto keep him or what? I mean I know, death and all, but I was thinking maybe this is one way to equal Sasuke, I think. I don't know. Maybe they will stay together. I think so at least.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I feel like this arc is the conclusion to the Bijuus' dilemma with humans and everything. Naruto got their trusts and vice versa. So that said will he let Kuruma go? I mean it is used for Tobi and his evil plan, but if it's over, will Naruto keep him or what? I mean I know, death and all, but I was thinking maybe this is one way to equal Sasuke, I think. I don't know. Maybe they will stay together. I think so at least.

 

They've become a team now, so it would kind of seem like a waste for them to just - separate. I'm really not sure how it could work for Naruto to just let him go anyway, as I do believe he couldn't survive without the Kyuubi, and even Gaara took Shukaku back.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

They've become a team now, so it would kind of seem like a waste for them to just - separate. I'm really not sure how it could work for Naruto to just let him go anyway, as I do believe he couldn't survive without the Kyuubi, and even Gaara took Shukaku back.

Good point. I was just throwing ideas because well, I wonder how Sasuke would drain his stamina because Naruto no doubt has extreme stamina to go forward.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Good point. I was just throwing ideas because well, I wonder how Sasuke would drain his stamina because Naruto no doubt has extreme stamina to go forward.

Sasuke is either obviously going to get another powerup or this will be resolved here with Naruto being nerfed due to the fact he already overused the kyuubi's chakra but i dont know fans would certainly be disappointed if they dont fight with their max potential.

It's the most expected fight on Naruto.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Good point. I was just throwing ideas because well, I wonder how Sasuke would drain his stamina because Naruto no doubt has extreme stamina to go forward.

 

I expect there will definitely be more powerups for Sasuke. Maybe he'll get some help from Orochimaru.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sasuke is either obviously going to get another powerup or this will be resolved here with Naruto being nerfed due to the fact he already overused the kyuubi's chakra but i dont know fans would certainly be disappointed if they dont fight with their max potential.

It's the most expected fight on Naruto.

 

 

 

I expect there will definitely be more powerups for Sasuke. Maybe he'll get some help from Orochimaru.

That's true. It's just occur to me that Naruto has some crazy stamina/chakra with Kuruma together. So, there must be something that can either nerf it or make Sasuke get something that will force Naruto to waste more or drain more. I mean when you think about it, Naruto has done a lot and it's like it takes to the limit of him to equal Sasuke (currently) in 648. No doubt Sasuke will get powerup, but I just want to know how Sasuke got to beat his storage first before anything. We have to wait and see. It will be much worse if Minato actually gives him the rest.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

 

That's true. It's just occur to me that Naruto has some crazy stamina/chakra with Kuruma together. So, there must be something that can either nerf it or make Sasuke get something that will force Naruto to waste more or drain more. I mean when you think about it, Naruto has done a lot and it's like it takes to the limit of him to equal Sasuke (currently) in 648. No doubt Sasuke will get powerup, but I just want to know how Sasuke got to beat his storage first before anything. We have to wait and see. It will be much worse if Minato actually gives him the rest.

 

Naruto's an absolute beast now power wise, so Sasuke will definitely need some kind of ace up his sleeve if he hopes to match him. What that will be is anyone's guess really.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Regarding Sasuke i have a question to ask.

Does he acknowledge Taka as his comrades or he still think they are tools?

*When he was about to kill Karin he said that she had no use for him anymore.

*Juugo, he said that he will stick up with Sasuke because he can control his murder desires and he doesnt feel bothered by the fact he's being used by Sasuke as a tool.

 

What are you thoughts on this matter?
Does he really acknowledge them as his teammates/comrades?

[TouKen4Life3g]

The current Sasuke? Hm, I think he considered his comrade again. I mean he did say sorry to Karin. If Sasuke was before Edo Hokages and he still apologize to Karin, then I'll be in question. I mean he did plan to escape with Juugo before he get to say anything. So, I'll say he's normal with them. That's my assumption.

[sushi.]

Regarding Sasuke i have a question to ask.

Does he acknowledge Taka as his comrades or he still think they are tools?

*When he was about to kill Karin he said that she had no use for him anymore.

*Juugo, he said that he will stick up with Sasuke because he can control his murder desires and he doesnt feel bothered by the fact he's being used by Sasuke as a tool.

 

What are you thoughts on this matter?
Does he really acknowledge them as his teammates/comrades?

Where does this argument comes from? Is it what he says at the Kage Summit, where he says they were all tools? I think he does think of them as comrades, at least Karin. He picked her as his favourite, and the right translation clears up the confusion, that it's in fact about her personally and not her abilities. He spent time with them in Orochimaru's hideout, it is said he already "knew her well" and he didn't just cherrypick his new pack. He might have viewed Juugo and Suigetsu as merely tools at first, but it's clear from their fight against KB that he at least warmed up to them over time.

 

I also think Karin was the most important one to him, and it's easier to just talk about her because his relationship with the other two wasn't that expanded upon. He had most respect for her, I saw her on a cover once and the sidenotes said "The Kunoichi Sasuke regards as the strongest". That's pretty cool because Sasuke is hard to impress and she's not a combat type. And the times he was emotionally moved by her. He didn't say it out loud, but his facial expression says it all in my opinion. I think whether he knows it or not, there is something about her that he finds appealing.

 

Maybe he thinks Taka are tools to him because sadly he won't let himself feel to avoid pain, but I think he cares for Taka either consciously or subconsciously. Did I ramble too much?

 

Conclusion would be that he did more for them than he needed to complete his goal. He didn't need to take Karin's side when arguing with Suigetsu, he didn't need to apologize to her. He trusted her with his life, relied on her and let her smack him around, If I were him I would not consider a tool that relevant.

[Hanabi]

i don't think sasuke thinks poorly of taka.. he awakened a new power for karin after all.. but i heard kishimoto didn't have plans for taka in the future..

Edited by Hanabi, 25 October 2013 - 10:39 PM.

[Sojobo]

i don't think sasuke thinks poorly of taka.. he awakened a new power for karin after all.. but i heard kishimoto didn't have plans for taka in the future..

Not just that, their complicity reminded him Team 7.

This just shows how much they're important to him.

Edited by Sojobo, 25 October 2013 - 10:48 PM.

[sushi.]

i don't think sasuke thinks poorly of taka.. he awakened a new power for karin after all.. but i heard kishimoto didn't have plans for taka in the future..

Basically this, I didn't manage to sum up my feels in one sentence like you.