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[TouKen4Life3g]

there arguing over the hinata thing lol sakura naruto and shikamaru were the main focus of this chapter though i liked how they worked together to heal him

Who are? Us or NH? Not picking on the fight, but really, the main focus were what you said with Gokage.

 

 

It might, or it might not, I'm not sure.  Regardless, I don't think HInata is capable of multi-tasking, nor of being an adviser to Naruto.  She doesn't have *it.*  Shikamaru does, Kiba does, Ino does, Sakura does, Sasuke does, Sai does --Hinata doesn't.

I doubt she will be his right-hand man. She will be better off taking care of Hyuuga and that's most likely anyway. It doesn't help that Neji is now dead too.

[Darkness]

True, but this is a manga and it's very rare for a character's design to be altered unless there's a purpose.  After all, Ino has bangs, her bangs would probably far more easily become messy like Sakura, but her hair is still in place.

 

Fair enough, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. Also I've remembered now how her bangs were also "messy" on the last cover (I believe it was the last, not 100% sure).

So yeah, it might probably have something to do besides depicting the war effects on her appearance.

[Mistraal]

 The question is how much Sakura's own efforts and energy contributed to the healing.

 

Apparently none.

I hate to say it but she really isn't doing much. It's like Kishi is going out of his way to invalidate her in any way possible.

[Psychox]

*Sigh* People on mangafox are talking about if Sasuke will be final villain or not.   The thread starter disagrees.  Nothing wrong with that.  It's his reasons that I facepalmed at.

 

Here's his beginning post:

 

Opinions?

 

While Hashirama,Madara and Sasuke and Naruto share similarities to an extension due to parallelism  (even though some people don't believe in parallels ) Sasuke never had a dream familiar to Madara's of unity and peace . His dream was more like an ambition an that was to kill Itachi , well that is done,so after the flashback and Hashi's sweet talk Sasuke decides to ''protect' what his brother fought for. Though we see that Sasuke wants to change the political system by ''letting them burn'' removing the bijjuuu from this world. That means killing Bee and Naruto in the process . He wants to rule Konoha and change it  trouble is , he does not want to share. Hashirama wanted to make Madara Hokage ,but the people found that idea far fetched ,because they fear that clan,so we all know what fallowed and Madara's arrogance grew.

That's why i mentioned in one of my posts that this will be a clash selfless vs selfish love as it is OBito vs Naruto + shinobi alliance .


As much as uncomfortable it sounds , Sasuke IS gonna be the final villain. Obito will be defeated by Naruto this war , if not by both . Madara too.. we don't know what his trump card is and of course there is Orochimaru ..

Sasuke will achieve redemption , but nobody will make him hokage , everybody supports and adores Naruto , plus ,we have the official foreshadowing that Shika is gonna be Naruto's right hand man. I don't know if he is gonna be allowed to stay even in the village , in this moment nobody trust him expect Naruto and even he may have something in mind.

Sasuke cares for nobody else then himself and maybe Naruto , even though he wants to kill him..

Just my thoughts thoughs..
 

 

My impression is that it detracted from the significance of Sakura and Naruto's efforts to some extent. They both played their roles but Tsunade's casualness when healing Shikamaru is damaging. It accentuates the existing gap between Sakura and Tsunade which I hoped Kishi would attempt to close instead of widen.

Sakura could stand to have at least one more fight exclusive to her to prove her superiority. The last time she was directly involved in battle for an extended amount of time was against Sasori and that was almost 400 chapters ago.

 

I do hope for her to get another decent fight like she had with Sasori, she needs a new feat in terms of surpassing her master and knocking some people down. She does need that and i just lounge for it .. :3
 

[Hanabi]

 

Apparently none.

I hate to say it but she really isn't doing much. It's like Kishi is going out of his way to invalidate her in any way possible.

I'm sad to see so many people think so. She refused to give up and kept healing him before naruto's chakra flared up and gave shikamaru the will to live on. then she continued healing him till he's up on his knees. tsunade only finished up her job for her.

 

Anyway the other thing I saw is this

it was karin uzumaki chakra why tsunade was able to do that.!!

just think about it where has tsunade anywhere healed anyone just by tapping on the forehead.!!

im going with uzumaki chakra that tsunade sucked out of karin...

so im guessing karin is of superior chakra type when it comes to healing.!!

 

just.. wow.

Edited by Hanabi, 03 October 2013 - 07:50 AM.

[catsi563]

Catsi thought:

 

Im more convinced then ever that the Bench scene and a forehead comment are coming.

 

All the talk about Sakuras bangs, the diamond on her forehead. Id be willing to lay what feels to me to be a pretty safe bet, that Naruto will notice this during a break. perhaps notice how her bangs are now covering her forehead similar to when Ino first found her.

 

He will then comment on how she shouldn't hide her forehead and how he likes it thinks its charming and makes him want to kiss it. que flashback to that moment and a realization from Sakura. possible comedy but mostly serious moment as Sakura expresses her feelings in some form.

 

 

 

Edit: gigglwe 2500th post LOL    

Edited by catsi563, 03 October 2013 - 09:18 AM.

[六道仙人]

next chapter will be an early one since the 14 ottocber is holidays in japan. In a short, we'll have a tuesday release

[dejavu]

reread this chapter since i was in a hurry last night..

 

still glad Shikamaru is alive and well..

He should be repeating that line about his mom and dad.. (what was that line again?)

when we get to see some NaruSaku action in the manga.

Because that Sakura-chan is surely being too gentle with that Naruto albeit her "hostile" reactions from him being such a son-of-a-yondaime

 

But no kidding i love Nardo and Shika's bromance, it makes me happy for Naruto having great friends like him unlike that certain someone..

[Nefertieh]

Holding his hand was meant for 615. If there's still something more from Hinata, Kishi wouldn't done that in 615. I expect her to still be like she was shown in this chapter, but there won't be another 615 or another statement from her like when she talked when the alliance were going to the battle.

 

615 was mostly for Hinata's character. If there's still more, 615 wouldn't be more special for a side character like Hinata.

 

Oh, I agree that Kishimoto conveniently avoided any romantic notion from Naruto by making it about chakra transfer -- but I'm just saying that people shouldn't downplay her feelings for Naruto, just because Shikamaru also wanted to be by his side. Because she did want to hold Naruto's hand, and not for chakra. >_>

 

 

Not really. She gotten that and that's her motivation from this point forward. When he grabbed her hand, it's the symbol of equal and if Hinata ever feels like she can't go further, she will remember that she got that approval. Therefore, she can't back down anymore and if Naruto ever goes higher, so will she. Honestly, I think the end of arc with an NS moment will completely erase this easily. It's like an old man searching for his gargoyle and a minute later, heads for the retirement home for brunch and the guy would ask, "Weren't you searching for that gargoyle?" and his response, "The what?"

 

I'm just sayin' we shouldn't be counting our eggs before they hatched.

Edited by Nefertieh, 03 October 2013 - 11:06 AM.

[rocci]

I believe that :

1. There would be training arc for naruto, off panel power up sasukeh, and off panel with some spotlight sakura training.

2. The next arc format will be like save sasuke arc, with sakura, kakashi, and Yamato join the fight.

3. Orochimaru, jugo, and six sword suigetsu will become the sub boss(at last).

4. NS canonization at the end of manga + epilogue.

[TouKen4Life3g]

next chapter will be an early one since the 14 ottocber is holidays in japan. In a short, we'll have a tuesday release

Oh, neat.

 

I'm just sayin' we shouldn't be counting our eggs before they hatched.

I know what you mean. Quite honestly, if NS closes this arc, is there even a point to worry anymore?

 

You know, looking at the opening, they just show Rin. Major giveaway, especially after her, Obito was shown next. Not unmasked but yeah. That said looks like the reveal will happen within this opening time. I wonder if the anime will push it like NS. With that in mind, I really can't wait for the parallel. Good thing Kakashi is coming back. Hype begins.

[ramenanmitsu]

I'm not surprised with Hinata's one-track mind about Naruto. And I'm not expecting Kishi to give her character development. Kishi's characters revolve around the plot, not the other way around. He gives his character plot roles and the characters will act accordingly to their plot roles, to keep the story consistent with the plot. He will rarely make characters act outside their plot roles, as it will be very difficult to incorporate these characters in the story without them. 

 

Hinata's plot role is as Naruto's admirer. Her character will revolve solely around that plot role whenever Naruto is involved in the plot. I'm not going to expect her to be shown very depressed by Neji's death or determined to be the Hyuuga Clan leader. It goes beyond her plot role.

 

Shikamaru's plot role is the guy who leads Naruto to become the leader. He has to be the guy who can actually move the main character by his words, mind and experience. And as such, Shikamaru gains certain experiences before Naruto. The chuunin status, first mission failure, death of his teacher, execution of Sasuke and such. All these experiences are needed so that he can actually give Naruto the advise, or the support he needs (ex. Jiraiya's death).

 

Sakura's plot role isn't really the love interest but more like Naruto's wife.

We don't get lovey dovey scenes of Sakura flirting with Naruto like a love interest should be doing. Instead we get glimpses of Sakura's heart where she truly worries about him and supports him in the shadows. She is shown as a partner to Naruto, like how Kushina was a partner to Minato. With all the love and respect Kushina gets from the manga, it isn't from her battle prowess. It's from the support and caring she gave to Minato. That is exactly what Sakura is doing to Naruto. This doesn't only apply on an emotional level. Naruto is the man who protects his home(Konoha) from the outside, while Sakura is the wife who protects the home(Konoha) from the inside. It's because Sakura supports him emotionally and in battle(by healing the people of Konoha), that Naruto can go into battle fighting. I think this is also the reason why Kishi is having trouble depicting her as the heroine. He gives her fight with Sasori, a diamond seal, Tsunade's apprenticeship, but these so-called heroine moments aren't really consistent. It's like he gives us these moments to try to remind us that she's the 'heroine' but he soon puts her in the background because it isn't her plot role and so he doesn't know how to connect her in the plot as a heroine. That said, I think she will get her development in "power", but I won't expect the moment to last long compared to the development she will get as "Naruto's partner". (As long as Naruto is around Sakura, Kishi will automatically try to put her in the 'wife' role.)

 

Meh, I could have explained it better but I'm drunk and tired. Take it as you will. 

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 03 October 2013 - 02:40 PM.

[Namaenash]

I think this chapter re-established Shikamaru's position in Naruto's world. He summed it up in simple phrase: IF Naruto ever becomes a hokage, he would need someone reliable enough to be on his side. To this point, it is either Shikamaru, Sakura or Kakashi.

 

Kishi has this pattern for at least two of the hokages: Hashirama+Tobirama and Tsunade+Shizune. The assistant serves as a counter balance to their respective hokage. It's not surprising if Naruto would have someone to aid him throughout his journey as hokage (if he survived this war). Initially I thought it would be Sasuke, but ever since he consciously decided to join Orochimaru, it's a gone case. I cant recall which chapter the flashback about Shikamaru wanted to walk besides Naruto --but now since we have it shown, it all makes sense... suddenly we could relate and connect the dots backward.

 

I'm more than happy to see Sakura again. She's so pretty and fierce. Yet, at the same time always worried about Naruto. You can see that she's very delighted Tsunade praised her. I could imagine that Tsunade is a very tough and difficult teacher to deal with, and Sakura is that underdog girls (with no special ability or bloodline limit) trying to proof herself.

 

This chapter also displays obvious contrast between Sakura and Hinata. When I checked back the chapters in which they are displayed together in a chapter, it seems that it always made to show the contrast and differences.

 

Here, we have Sakura that worried about Naruto overdoing himself and was very happy that Naruto helped her saved Shikamaru. She even told Shikamaru that she wont let him die because "Naruto..no everyone still needs you...". Implicitly doing this for Naruto's sake, as her initial thoughts. (If anyone could translate the raw, I'm curious if this was really the case). Kishi could write that by omitting Naruto, but he choose not to. For Sakura, whether she (or we, as readers) realized it or not, she almost always unconsciously put Naruto first. For Sakura, it's almost always for Naruto's sake.

 

On the other hand, we have Hinata which always think to do her best to be on Naruto's side. The subtle difference between Sakura and Hinata is the receiving end of their resolution. 

 

Sakura -> almost all the things revolved around Naruto is for Naruto's sake. It's for his goodness.

Hinata -> almost all the things revolved around Naruto is for Hinata's sake. It's for her to be with him. Please don't get me wrong, I don't dislike her character at all, but this is fact.

 

Was Hinata's statement romantic? Well, it depends on how you see it. We're talking about Hinata here. Everything that comes from her towards Naruto is almost always in romantic lights. But, that's hardly a news isn't it? So, why would we always have this "to be on Naruto's side" statement reinstated again since few chapters ago? Frankly, it's reiterated too much that it becomes nothing special to ponder upon. If it is her resolve to do her best to be on Naruto's side in romantic light, why do you need to do so? What's her definition to "do her best"? Some more, if you put that sentence in the context of the facial expression she wears in this chapter, you'll see that it *may* not be "standing by his side" in romantic light. For fellow women around here, let's ask ourselves, have we ever put such fierce expression to "do our best" to win the love of our live? I highly doubt so. If we ever think about doing our best for that purpose, we'll wear a soft smile instead.

 

So, I personally don't think her resolution to "stand by his side" is to become Naruto's love interest. We'll see further in the future. But at least, this chapter has given me enough comfort that it was not the case. Remember, it takes two for a relationship to work. You got to factor in Naruto's feeling in the equation. And so far, his feeling for Sakura is unwavering (chapter 631 approves this).

[Codus N]

Shikamaru's plot role is the guy who leads Naruto to become the leader. He has to be the guy who can actually move the main character by his words, mind and experience. And as such, Shikamaru gains certain experiences before Naruto. The chuunin status, first mission failure, death of his teacher, execution of Sasuke and such. All these experiences are needed so that he can actually give Naruto the advise, or the support he needs (ex. Jiraiya's death).

 

Meh, I could have explained it better but I'm drunk and tired. Take it as you will. 

 

Heh, you seem lucid enough to me.

 

Anyways, regarding Shikamaru. I agree very much. But honestly, 615 would've been the perfect opportunity to showcase that role of Shikamaru. Even now, I still puke at how forced the chapter was. That moment should've been Shikamaru's moment. That's what your right hand man does, picking you up when you're down.

[harry4e]

 

Apparently none.

I hate to say it but she really isn't doing much. It's like Kishi is going out of his way to invalidate her in any way possible.

 

Ofcourse she helped, Ino thanked both Naruto and Sakura for healing Shikamaru, and Sakura could have healed him on her own, she said it herself, 'leave Shikamaru to her' but Naruto providing the chakra made it easier for her to do the healing, those who want to hate on her can always find reasons to do so, like how it was because of her slugs that so many ninja died, how she's still useless how as soon as she got her power-up she almost got herself killed, (which even I thought was a dumb move from Kishi).

 

Sakura's actions saved allot of lives when Naruto could not go into Kurama mode and provide Chakra to everyone, but the Juubi took everyone by surprise and those not fast enough to move or those that were still recovering got caught. Shikamaru would have recovered thanks to Sakura or thanks to Naruto but because they both were healing him he could stand up afterwards.

 

Think this this scene was done because Shika's been shown recently to be struggling to come up with a solution to beat the Juubi, by being reminded of Naruto's feelings it's likely to be a set-up for Shika to come up with a strategy that could put a dent in Obito's plans atleast for a little while. Like Hinata's growth chapters, Sakura's growth, Ino's growth, Chouji's growth, this was Shika's growth chapter, he finally got the resolve of knowing what he wants to do what we've alwas known he was set out to do.

[Hanabi]

@Codus N I actually think Hinata got her rightful acknowledgment by Naruto in 615. Sakura acknowledged Lee as well, that's why. And I'm glad that he remained loving Sakura as shown in 631.

Edited by Hanabi, 03 October 2013 - 04:07 PM.

[catsi563]

[Otaru]

I think this chapter re-established Shikamaru's position in Naruto's world. He summed it up in simple phrase: IF Naruto ever becomes a hokage, he would need someone reliable enough to be on his side. To this point, it is either Shikamaru, Sakura or Kakashi.

 

Kishi has this pattern for at least two of the hokages: Hashirama+Tobirama and Tsunade+Shizune. The assistant serves as a counter balance to their respective hokage. It's not surprising if Naruto would have someone to aid him throughout his journey as hokage (if he survived this war). Initially I thought it would be Sasuke, but ever since he consciously decided to join Orochimaru, it's a gone case. I cant recall which chapter the flashback about Shikamaru wanted to walk besides Naruto --but now since we have it shown, it all makes sense... suddenly we could relate and connect the dots backward.

 

I'm more than happy to see Sakura again. She's so pretty and fierce. Yet, at the same time always worried about Naruto. You can see that she's very delighted Tsunade praised her. I could imagine that Tsunade is a very tough and difficult teacher to deal with, and Sakura is that underdog girls (with no special ability or bloodline limit) trying to proof herself.

 

This chapter also displays obvious contrast between Sakura and Hinata. When I checked back the chapters in which they are displayed together in a chapter, it seems that it always made to show the contrast and differences.

 

Here, we have Sakura that worried about Naruto overdoing himself and was very happy that Naruto helped her saved Shikamaru. She even told Shikamaru that she wont let him die because "Naruto..no everyone still needs you...". Implicitly doing this for Naruto's sake, as her initial thoughts. (If anyone could translate the raw, I'm curious if this was really the case). Kishi could write that by omitting Naruto, but he choose not to. For Sakura, whether she (or we, as readers) realized it or not, she almost always unconsciously put Naruto first. For Sakura, it's almost always for Naruto's sake.

 

On the other hand, we have Hinata which always think to do her best to be on Naruto's side. The subtle difference between Sakura and Hinata is the receiving end of their resolution. 

 

Sakura -> almost all the things revolved around Naruto is for Naruto's sake. It's for his goodness.

Hinata -> almost all the things revolved around Naruto is for Hinata's sake. It's for her to be with him. Please don't get me wrong, I don't dislike her character at all, but this is fact.

 

Was Hinata's statement romantic? Well, it depends on how you see it. We're talking about Hinata here. Everything that comes from her towards Naruto is almost always in romantic lights. But, that's hardly a news isn't it? So, why would we always have this "to be on Naruto's side" statement reinstated again since few chapters ago? Frankly, it's reiterated too much that it becomes nothing special to ponder upon. If it is her resolve to do her best to be on Naruto's side in romantic light, why do you need to do so? What's her definition to "do her best"? Some more, if you put that sentence in the context of the facial expression she wears in this chapter, you'll see that it *may* not be "standing by his side" in romantic light. For fellow women around here, let's ask ourselves, have we ever put such fierce expression to "do our best" to win the love of our live? I highly doubt so. If we ever think about doing our best for that purpose, we'll wear a soft smile instead.

 

So, I personally don't think her resolution to "stand by his side" is to become Naruto's love interest. We'll see further in the future. But at least, this chapter has given me enough comfort that it was not the case. Remember, it takes two for a relationship to work. You got to factor in Naruto's feeling in the equation. And so far, his feeling for Sakura is unwavering (chapter 631 approves this).

 

 

I agree with you.

Hinata knows Naruto loves Sakura with all his heart.

She could not possibly not know it.

I still think she never imagined her being with Naruto romantically speaking.

I think all of she ever wanted was to be noticed and recognize by him.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sometimes I feel that some people in here are like "Well what about..." scenario. Maybe because couple of reasons:

- Don't want to think that this is good to be true that debate is close to over
- Want to keep the challenge alive but making one over shined than asked for
- Don't want to make admit a false alarm as one want to stay the same to the end
- Others

Do I have a problem with it? Not really, but I can see some being face palmed about it. Not saying who's right or wrong, but sometimes, you got to check it twice.

[rocci]

@otaru
Until kishi prove me wrong, I will say that Hinata doesn't want to admit that naruto love sakura.