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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:12 AM

QUOTE (Verilance @ May 8 2013, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pairing wars are only in the minds of fans (the battle if any was fought and won long ago) and have very little to do with the story Kishimoto is telling... it is all about plot and closure for characters as the manga draws to a end.

Thank you. happy.gif

QUOTE (Jake @ May 8 2013, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really like this chapter and was really surprised by the revelation of Rin being a Jinchuriki.

I know Page 13 is kinda late for just that but there was a loss in the family so I really didn't feel like posting earlier.

Surprise you did. Sorry for your loss. It's nice to see you ok.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:28 AM

on another note.

Naruto needs a change of clothes biggrin.gif

I rather him not wait until they are completely trashed.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:34 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ May 9 2013, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you can call it useless but it seems quite normal given the recent events.

she now bears a responsibility to carry out Neji's dying wishes. she's reached the peak of her character, just like team Asuma did. You've got to admit Hinata has been somewhat ignored throughout the manga, I think a bit of development is fair enough. Just let her have her shining moment in peace. It's all that's left for her in this story. rolleyes.gif

In all honesty...was it that necessary for her to appear right here? Couldn't those guys just protected Naruto out of their own will?

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:40 AM

Restating what Baiken already said: what happened to Killer Bee?

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:56 AM

QUOTE (zacrathedemon5 @ May 9 2013, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Restating what Baiken already said: what happened to Killer Bee?

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:13 AM

QUOTE (zacrathedemon5 @ May 9 2013, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Restating what Baiken already said: what happened to Killer Bee?

Somehow lost screentime to Hinata?

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:25 AM

Can people just stop complaining about Hinata every freakin' chapter? dry.gif Seriously, all I ever see from most of us is that Hinata appears ... we automatically start complaining over it. Some is justified IMO. 615 for example definitely is. But this? Really? It's like the majority of the NaruSaku fans jump every time we see her. Hinata leading was a very good moment for her, I see nothing wrong with it at all. Unlike some of us, I was really proud of her for leading the alliance like that. Deserves praise, not criticizism. Though I'm still a bit disappointed that Hinata only does something remotely flattering or significant if it revolves around Naruto. sleep.gif If Kishi really wants to prove her worth as a likable character, then the source of her actions shouldn't only be driven by Naruto. That's a character flaw of hers still.

Anyway, my point is ... both Hinata and Sakura were doing their jobs. Sakura was healing and Hinata was taking charge for once. Good character development if she's gonna be the heiress. As for the NaruSaku moment ... honestly didn't enjoy it surprisingly. The sentiment and thought behind it was nice but Sakura's face was just ... just drawn so crappy. Call me picky, but I can't enjoy a moment like that with such terrible lines on Sakura's usually pretty face. mellow.gif

I also didn't find it OOC. Hinata's journey has been about getting confidence in herself and becoming more outspoken. This isn't forced, it actually makes sense. Hinata's fight with Neji: Hinata developed enough aggression and determination to fight him, even if it meant dying for it. Search for Itachi Arc: Not any studdering, she confidently led the group with her Byakugan. Pain Arc: Hinata confidently expressed her love for Naruto without stammering and then cue suicide *cough* I mean *cough* "protection" attempt". 615: Hinata easily has a firm speech and was even daring enough to rest her hand on Naruto's cheek.

So really, finding her leading has been progessed subtly this whole time. It completes her "lack of confidence" character point pretty well.

As for the parts I actually care about, the Obito/Kakashi scene was the highlight of the chapter. I was really shocked at Rin possessing the 3-tails and kiling herself to protect the village. Very ninja of Rin. So much for those spy theories many of us loved to speculate over. tongue.gif Glad that neither Kakashi nor Rin were put in a overly harsh light like it seemed. As for Obito, he's just a complete lost cause. He's in the thickest form of denial I've ever seen in the Narutoverse, it's amazing. facepalm.png Nice to see our theories of Obito being determined to crush Naruto's idealogies and hopes because of his understanding of it. Not gonna lie, really felt that was foreshadowing of a Sakura/Rin violent parallel sooner or later.

Great symbolism at the end! I can't wait to see Naruto talk no jutsu Obito to "redeem" him. Or and those two panels of Naruto bleeding with his ripped-up clothes was super badass and one of my favorite scenes. wink.gif

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:33 AM

QUOTE (Verilance @ May 8 2013, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pairing wars are only in the minds of fans (the battle if any was fought and won long ago) and have very little to do with the story Kishimoto is telling... it is all about plot and closure for characters as the manga draws to a end.

That's a pretty nice statement.

To be honest up until the Pain arc it seemed pretty obvious to me that Sakura was slowly falling for Naruto, but then the Summit arc came it challenged the way I figured the story would develop. At least in terms of Sakura's development.

It wasn't until the war arc that I started reading opinions regarding the matter and was shocked to read how some people actually hoped for NH and SS. I figured everybody would be hoping for Sakura to finally reach the development of loving Naruto since we're supposed to cheer for the protagonist to overcome his struggles. I couldn't believe the amount of people who would just rather have him forget his love for Sakura which he was so devoted to.

With so many opinions contrary to mine at one point it did make me wonder if I was seeing the series wrongly. I wondered if Sakura was really such a bad fit for Naruto. But despite everything I couldn't bring myself to believe that Naruto was meant to love someone else other than Sakura, or that Sakura was meant to be with Sasuke when it just shows how being with Naruto makes her the happiest.

I think that stumbling into the pairing war of the fandom accidentally left a bad impression in my mind which gave me a little touch of pessimism when it comes to the love side plot. I can't help but wonder sometimes if not knowing of pairing wars would've let me keep a more optimistic view on it all. That maybe I would've enjoyed chapter 615 more if I didn't have that pessimism of the pairing wars in the back of my head.

Like you said pairing wars are only in the minds of the fans.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:37 AM

QUOTE (rocci @ May 8 2013, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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QUOTE (MangaReader @ May 8 2013, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Somehow lost screentime to Hinata?


Wait, so... I really didn't miss anything? Kishimoto literally forgot about Killer Bee?

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 09 May 2013 - 03:37 AM.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:39 AM

So is Hinata's character development finally done? Because I remember a lot of people saying it was done after her speech.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:45 AM

QUOTE (zacrathedemon5 @ May 9 2013, 04:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait, so... I really didn't miss anything? Kishimoto literally forgot about Killer Bee?


yea what happened to bee!? he better not be chilling with yamato...if so... he is lost forever.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:50 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ May 8 2013, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So is Hinata's character development finally done? Because I remember a lot of people saying it was done after her speech.

Just a little more pieces of leadership to make her the Hyuuga's clan leader.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:00 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ May 8 2013, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can people just stop complaining about Hinata every freakin' chapter? dry.gif Seriously, all I ever see from most of us is that Hinata appears ... we automatically start complaining over it. Some is justified IMO. 615 for example definitely is. But this? Really? It's like the majority of the NaruSaku fans jump every time we see her. Hinata leading was a very good moment for her, I see nothing wrong with it at all. Unlike some of us, I was really proud of her for leading the alliance like that. Deserves praise, not criticizism. Though I'm still a bit disappointed that Hinata only does something remotely flattering or significant if it revolves around Naruto. sleep.gif If Kishi really wants to prove her worth as a likable character, then the source of her actions shouldn't only be driven by Naruto. That's a character flaw of hers still.

Anyway, my point is ... both Hinata and Sakura were doing their jobs. Sakura was healing and Hinata was taking charge for once. Good character development if she's gonna be the heiress. As for the NaruSaku moment ... honestly didn't enjoy it surprisingly. The sentiment and thought behind it was nice but Sakura's face was just ... just drawn so crappy. Call me picky, but I can't enjoy a moment like that with such terrible lines on Sakura's usually pretty face. mellow.gif

I also didn't find it OOC. Hinata's journey has been about getting confidence in herself and becoming more outspoken. This isn't forced, it actually makes sense. Hinata's fight with Neji: Hinata developed enough aggression and determination to fight him, even if it meant dying for it. Search for Itachi Arc: Not any studdering, she confidently led the group with her Byakugan. Pain Arc: Hinata confidently expressed her love for Naruto without stammering and then cue suicide *cough* I mean *cough* "protection" attempt". 615: Hinata easily has a firm speech and was even daring enough to rest her hand on Naruto's cheek.

So really, finding her leading has been progessed subtly this whole time. It completes her "lack of confidence" character point pretty well.

As for the parts I actually care about, the Obito/Kakashi scene was the highlight of the chapter. I was really shocked at Rin possessing the 3-tails and kiling herself to protect the village. Very ninja of Rin. So much for those spy theories many of us loved to speculate over. tongue.gif Glad that neither Kakashi nor Rin were put in a overly harsh light like it seemed. As for Obito, he's just a complete lost cause. He's in the thickest form of denial I've ever seen in the Narutoverse, it's amazing. facepalm.png Nice to see our theories of Obito being determined to crush Naruto's idealogies and hopes because of his understanding of it. Not gonna lie, really felt that was foreshadowing of a Sakura/Rin violent parallel sooner or later.

Great symbolism at the end! I can't wait to see Naruto talk no jutsu Obito to "redeem" him. Or and those two panels of Naruto bleeding with his ripped-up clothes was super badass and one of my favorite scenes. wink.gif

Well said.

QUOTE (redragon88 @ May 8 2013, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's a pretty nice statement.

To be honest up until the Pain arc it seemed pretty obvious to me that Sakura was slowly falling for Naruto, but then the Summit arc came it challenged the way I figured the story would develop. At least in terms of Sakura's development.

It wasn't until the war arc that I started reading opinions regarding the matter and was shocked to read how some people actually hoped for NH and SS. I figured everybody would be hoping for Sakura to finally reach the development of loving Naruto since we're supposed to cheer for the protagonist to overcome his struggles. I couldn't believe the amount of people who would just rather have him forget his love for Sakura which he was so devoted to.

With so many opinions contrary to mine at one point it did make me wonder if I was seeing the series wrongly. I wondered if Sakura was really such a bad fit for Naruto. But despite everything I couldn't bring myself to believe that Naruto was meant to love someone else other than Sakura, or that Sakura was meant to be with Sasuke when it just shows how being with Naruto makes her the happiest.

I think that stumbling into the pairing war of the fandom accidentally left a bad impression in my mind which gave me a little touch of pessimism when it comes to the love side plot. I can't help but wonder sometimes if not knowing of pairing wars would've let me keep a more optimistic view on it all. That maybe I would've enjoyed chapter 615 more if I didn't have that pessimism of the pairing wars in the back of my head.

Like you said pairing wars are only in the minds of the fans.

Nicely said too. Here's the thing, I would let Naruto, the character, speak for us. What I mean is that if he thinks it's bad, then we too must think it's bad. That's why I am behind him when he told Sai why he didn't confess. That sole reason is the reason why I am confident that Naruto will always love her. Again, if it was about the other, then it could be bad, because the easy answer is to move on or heck, Sai would have told him that. Instead, he just don't want Naruto to suffer anymore because he's too strict to himself with Hokage, Sakura, etc. He still is, whether it's good or not, but if we have to support him, then my god, we will. That's one thing many forget while reading a fictional story and it displeases me when people decided to focus on others, let alone who's not even on the good side.

What I'm saying is don't fall to this so-called pairing war. I only had fun with it, but now, you guys taken extreme. Not you, redragon88 or perhaps even in here, just people in general. So I threw my fun away and just focus on the manga, just like before. I hope one day everyone will feel stupid when NS moment happens. Not you guys, but those who has been thrashing us for a while, even though those pairings leaves nothing open and this is more to the haters, rather than fans of another pairing. I respect them, just as long they respect me. Putting a bullet in our head, wow, I wish I can be an a**hole for one day, but I am better than this, so no. Anyway, I don't want to go on long, but glad people are seeing the big picture.

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ May 8 2013, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So is Hinata's character development finally done? Because I remember a lot of people saying it was done after her speech.

You made it sound like this is the development. It's just her setting up for defense, which most likely get wiped out and Naruto will feel hopeless because well, he is injured and no Kyuubi for a while. Not to mention, the defense team is really weaken to the point they have resort to other ninjas. That's good for support contributions wise, bad in numbers of alliance.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:43 AM

QUOTE (Nefertieh @ May 9 2013, 01:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry, I must have missed a page when I was reading this thread. While I love Obito/Rin, I wonder if Kishimoto will decide to bring her back or not. How will he do it without making it look too convenient or predictable?


The basics of my theory is that Isobu not only gave his chakra to Naruto, but also transferred Rin's memories to him in the hopes that it'll snap Obito out of it. The problem is that Naruto doesn't know whose memories those are. In order for it to resurface, Naruto needs to know what the heck is going on with Kakashi.

Isobu probably realized that Rin is the entire key to this whole mess, so the only way to stop this would be to tell Obito of what Rin's thoughts were like through Naruto.

But I actually prefer the idea of her being revived. Call it lame and overused, but just thinking about the emotional roller coaster that will happen when she's revived, and she finds out the horrible truth about what happened to her boys makes me want it to happen so much. Hell, since Minato is already revived, might as well throw in Hospital scene 2.0.

Rin's anger and disappointment wouldn't only be directed at Obito but to Kakashi as well. She'd be angry that Kakashi is pretty much wasting his life by not letting himself have some happiness. She would be angry at how Kakashi refuses to move on. But most of all, she would be angry at how Kakashi is blaming himself for everything. I bet she'll take a good guess that Kakashi is now blaming himself for this war happening in the first place.

Jeez.... Team Minato's levels of angst is ridiculous, isn't it??

P.S.: It's just me nit-picking, but I would've preferred it if Saiken was the one sealed in her. It'd have made a nice parallel to Sakura's animal motif.

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ May 9 2013, 05:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would have said that it's all for character development before 615, but now all her frequent appearances seem like pairing fuel because of that. Plus most of her actions are centered around Naruto; even now she's all fired up because he is weak and she wants to protect him.

Her continuing to not only have screentime but also outshining Sakura while at it is worrying. I agree with others that want more impressive feats out of Sakura.


Honestly, I actually think this chapter is what 615 should've been. If Kishi just wanted pairing ambiguity, he should've had both girls giving him the pep talk. Not only that, it would fit perfectly with what's happening now. Hinata is in front, Sakura is behind him. If 615 had both girls giving the pep talk, and later on we have the image of Hinata in front, Sakura in back here, it would symbolize how Hinata is the one that pulls him, but Sakura is the one pushing him. It would perfectlly descrie the equal chances of those pairings.


QUOTE (Branden @ May 9 2013, 08:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you can call it useless but it seems quite normal given the recent events.

she now bears a responsibility to carry out Neji's dying wishes. she's reached the peak of her character, just like team Asuma did. You've got to admit Hinata has been somewhat ignored throughout the manga, I think a bit of development is fair enough. Just let her have her shining moment in peace. It's all that's left for her in this story. rolleyes.gif


Pretty much this. 615 laid the foundation for this chapter.

xxRGxx: Again, your posts are boss!! kudos to you a_thumbs.gif I wasn't that bothered with the Hinata stuff here.

Edited by Codus N, 09 May 2013 - 04:43 AM.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:09 AM

We are going to have to wait. I think that there is more about Rin than just what was in this chapter. I find it odd why Rin did what she did because there were ways of saving her. Minato or Kushina were perfect in helping her "disarm" the 3 tail seal. Maybe make it stronger or supress the 3 tails in her. Maybe that's the real reason of Obito's attack on the village of Konoha. To get revenge on Konoha for what happened to Rin. And also on Minato and Kushina because they could've been the only ones to help her, yet the rescue mission was only Kakashi ( maybe there were more but ended up dead?)

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:17 AM

QUOTE (Dkey @ May 9 2013, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We are going to have to wait. I think that there is more about Rin than just what was in this chapter. I find it odd why Rin did what she did because there were ways of saving her. Minato or Kushina were perfect in helping her "disarm" the 3 tail seal. Maybe make it stronger or supress the 3 tails in her. Maybe that's the real reason of Obito's attack on the village of Konoha. To get revenge on Konoha for what happened to Rin. And also on Minato and Kushina because they could've been the only ones to help her, yet the rescue mission was only Kakashi ( maybe there were more but ended up dead?)

But that would mean Naruto has to be part of this. Naruto needs a conclusion with Obito because Minato is counting on him, so the least he can do is defeat them. That means Kakashi is the starting line for TnJ. I could be wrong but maybe I'm right.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:20 AM

QUOTE (Dkey @ May 9 2013, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We are going to have to wait. I think that there is more about Rin than just what was in this chapter. I find it odd why Rin did what she did because there were ways of saving her. Minato or Kushina were perfect in helping her "disarm" the 3 tail seal. Maybe make it stronger or supress the 3 tails in her. Maybe that's the real reason of Obito's attack on the village of Konoha. To get revenge on Konoha for what happened to Rin. And also on Minato and Kushina because they could've been the only ones to help her, yet the rescue mission was only Kakashi ( maybe there were more but ended up dead?)


Spiral Zetsu said Minato was away on a mission. And with Kushina's status as a Jinchuuriki, she's probably not allowed to stray far from the village since she's their last-measure weapon. And even if Rin would've known that Kushina would be able to stop her, innocents more would die from the outbreak of their battle. Having two Bijuus fighting smack dab right in the middle of the village is the last thing any village needs.

I actually have the feeling that this mission Minato went on is the mission where he met Ei and Bee. I've got a gut feeling that Kumo was in cahoots with Kiri at the time. Ei and Bee would act as a decoy for Minato, thus preventing him from reaching his students. Kumo and Kiri knew that Minato would be the only person capable of suppressing Isobu.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:25 AM

I want see every character shine (minus Sasuke, I just don't care about his character)
In my mind I already know that Naruto is the Main character and Sakura is the Main Heroine, that's why I'm not bother by flashback, Hinata focus, or 97% of the other character focus since this is the way a story is tell.

People should not be wishing for the death of a character or disappearance of any character just because they want the story to focus only on the character they like, if that's the case then we should develop some writing skills in order to write our own fanfic focusing only on the character we like.

And as NS fans as long that the focus is not NH, SS or Kishimoto declaring NS as a dead pairing then nothing should bother us that much since Kishimoto is allow to tell his story the way he wants. Criticism is OK but lately some of us are constantly letting out our frustration with out considering that others might not feel the same, same goes for killing off characters ignoring the fact that say characters also haves fans that does not want that to happen and wishing for some character to never appeared again just because we don't like them ignoring that those character also have fans who likes seeing them gating some panel time.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:36 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ May 9 2013, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I want see every character shine (minus Sasuke, I just don't care about his character)
In my mind I already know that Naruto is the Main character and Sakura is the Main Heroine, that's why I'm not bother by flashback, Hinata focus, or 97% of the other character focus since this is the way a story is tell.

People should not be wishing for the death of a character or disappearance of any character just because they want the story to focus only on the character they like, if that's the case then we should develop some writing skills in order to write our own fanfic focusing only on the character we like.

And as NS fans as long that the focus is not NH, SS or Kishimoto declaring NS as a dead pairing then nothing should bother us that much since Kishimoto is allow to tell his story the way he wants. Criticism is OK but lately some of us are constantly letting out our frustration with out considering that others might not feel the same, same goes for killing off characters ignoring the fact that say characters also haves fans that does not want that to happen and wishing for some character to never appeared again just because we don't like them ignoring that those character also have fans who likes seeing them gating some panel time.

I got to be honest here. It must be me or I'm seeing some new revelation (?) from people I once remember how they seem to be "different" from others. I'm not saying everyone should have the same opinion, but it's like a person goes through a rehab and come back all new. In this case, well I'm happy to hear this. Again, it's just me, but this post doesn't apply to you. It applies to folks that I used to hear in a much negative darkness. Again, not to say we should all have the same opinion but a change seems to happened around here.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:41 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ May 8 2013, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I got to be honest here. It must be me or I'm seeing some new revelation (?) from people I once remember how they seem to be "different" from others. I'm not saying everyone should have the same opinion, but it's like a person goes through a rehab and come back all new. In this case, well I'm happy to hear this. Again, it's just me, but this post doesn't apply to you. It applies to folks that I used to hear in a much negative darkness. Again, not to say we should all have the same opinion but a change seems to happened around here.


Yeah, I can understand what you mean with that statement. Nowadays, I am not as angry as I used to be with this so-called pairings wars. I am just like "all right, if it happens if happens and if it happens wrong, well, at least, I got other interests to keep me occupied."

Edited by Anguyen92, 09 May 2013 - 05:41 AM.

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